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Explainer: The conflicting words between Gerry Adams and the son of a murdered prison officer

Adams says he will make a statement to the Dáil on the matter.


Updated 1.17pm

SINN FÉIN LEADER Gerry Adams has said that he is prepared to make a statement in the Dáil about allegations that he is withholding information about the IRA murder of a prison officer.

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin yesterday described it as “extraordinary stuff” that Adams would arrange a meeting between Austin and Oliver Stack and a former IRA leader who provided them with information about the murder of their father.

Brian Stack (48) was the chief prison officer at Portlaoise Prison when he was shot while leaving a boxing match in Dublin in 1983. The father of three died 18 months later from his injuries.

No one has ever been convicted over the attack that was carried out by the Provisional IRA.

Austin and Oliver led a campaign to find out who killed their father. After being critical of the original investigation, the Stack family sought the help of Adams in order to find answers.

Following that contact, Adams facilitated a meeting between them and a former IRA leader in 2013.

Adams described that meeting in a blog post earlier this week:

In August 2013 I was able, with some difficulty, to facilitate a meeting between Austin and Oliver Stack and a former senior IRA person. The brothers were given a statement by the former IRA person which acknowledged that the IRA was responsible for their father’s death, that it regretted that it took so long to clarify this for them, that the shooting of Brian Stack was not authorised by the IRA leadership.

Austin Stack also described the incident this week,

Gerry Adams brought us in a blacked out van to see an IRA leader who he said he trusted and was a friend… This man told us that he knew who murdered my father, that the perpetrators were still alive and that one of them had been disciplined.

In a statement from the time, the brothers said that “this process has brought an element of closure.”

Brian Stack murder Austin and Oliver Stack pictured after meeting Gerry Adams at Leinster House in August 2013. Niall Carson / PA Images Niall Carson / PA Images / PA Images

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The murder of Brian Stack was raised again during the course of this year’s general election campaign.

In February, Adams said that Austin Stack had given him names of people who the Stack family believe were involved in the murder their father.

Adams has also since said that he has provided these names to the gardaí:

I made it clear in my correspondence with the Garda Commissioner that I have no information on the death of Brian Stack and I have never at any time described those named as suspects. The email was only sent after I had spoken to three of the four. Only the gardaí can investigate this matter.

Austin Stack has, however, denied that he provided Adams with these names.

Speaking Monday evening, Stack reaffirmed that he “never gave any names to Gerry Adams”.

Stack has now called on Adams to provide gardai with information about the IRA leader with whom they met in 2013 after it was facilitated by Adams.

“This IRA leader clearly reported back to Adams as we were told on our way to the meeting by Adams that we would be getting an admission, so what did this man tell Adams and has he passed this onto the gardaí?,” Stack said last night.

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In the Dáil yesterday afternoon, Micheál Martin accused “the Provos” of “living in a parallel universe, in which rules apply to one group but not to anyone else.”

“Allegedly, Deputy Gerry Adams had the four names which he says he was given in 2013, but he did not tell anyone until February this year because the issue was raised in the general election. This is a murder. It is not about an election campaign or boxing clever in the middle of it,” Martin said.

Responding to Martin, Taoiseach Enda Kenny said:

Deputy Gerry Adams knows more about this than I do. While the investigation into a murder is ongoing, perhaps he might use privilege to make a statement in the House to clear it up for everyone.

Kenny also said that he intends to meet Austin Stack and that if accepted by Stack that meeting would be very soon.

In response to the Taoiseach, Adams said he is willing to make a statement to the Dail on the matter:

This is not the first time the leader of Fianna Fáil has used, in an opportunistic, a cynical and contemptible way, my efforts in good faith to assist the family of Mr. Brian Stack. I have dealt with the substance of the issue and if the Taoiseach wants to make space for me to do so, as he has indicated, I am prepared to make a statement here again.

He is expected to make the statement at 5pm today.

First published 6 December, 10pm

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    Mute Brinster
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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:00 PM

    Gerry Adams, by his own admission, met Austin Stack in 2013.

    Adams says Austin Stack gave him names. Austin Stack denies this. This leaves two possibilities –

    1) Gerry Adams is lying. In which case, who gave him the names? And why is he lying?
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    2) Austin Stack is lying. In which case, why did Gerry Adams wait over two years to pass on the names to the Gardai?

    This is what absolutely stinks about this.

    Even if we believe Gerry Adams over Austin Stack, he still took over 2 years to provide this information to the Gardai.This is an open murder case. Why did he wait 2 years?

    I look forward to Deputy Adams clarifying why he either lied or withheld information on a murder.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:11 PM

    Why would Austin Stacks lie?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:16 PM

    @jane:

    I really don’t know Jane.

    I don’t believe he is lying.

    But Gerry Adams is claiming he is.

    So we consider the possibility that he is. Unfortunately, in this scenario, it just means that Adams sat on relevant information for 2 years before deciding to make a statement.

    Why?

    Did someone verify the names to him?
    Did his conscience get the better of him?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:48 PM

    Let’s look at this with cold logic. Adams introduced the Stack Brothers to supposedly the Commanding Officer of the men that murdered their father. Now if Adams was able to arrange said meeting, it is logical to conclude that he personally knew the man in question. And logic would also dictate that he would have had a briefing with this man prior to their meeting with the Stack’s as not to be caught out by surprise. Now if the Stack’s gotten names from Garda and Media sources as Adams claims those names would be in general public knowledge due to leaks etc. But if as the Stack’s claim that they neither received nor gave any names to anyone and Adams was able to provide the Gardai with names several years later it would suggest that either Adams had known the names of the suspects for years and withheld them or had only been given the names prior to his informing the Gardai. In which case he would have made up the story about the Stack’s to cover himself because of his informing.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:54 PM

    The best thing to do is to stop asking awkward questions and listen to some Wolfe Tones. It will help everyone no end. Come out you Black and Tans, Come out and fight me like a man. Better?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:57 PM

    @Mick Jordan:

    Excellent points Mick.

    It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Adams’ future political career rests on his statement tomorrow.

    If he reiterates his claim that Austin Stack is a liar, he will have to justify why he sat on relevant information for two years.

    If he withdraws his claim that Stack gave him the names, then he has to clarify who actually gave them to him.

    Either way, is it credible that he remains the Sinn Fein leader after tomorrow?

    This is a resigning issue.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:05 AM

    Brinster: We thought this with Maria Cahill also, and with his brother. He won’t resign. His party don’t care. Their members don’t care.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:19 AM

    @Hugh Mannatee:

    At one point is 2012, SF were at 25% in the polls.

    For both the 2014 Local and 2016 General Elections, there was an expectation that the next election would be a major, major breakthrough for the party.

    So when the stories about his possible knowledge of his brother (2013) and Mairia Cahill (2015) cases broke, the party decided to ignore them, believing that he would not be damaged by them.

    In both elections, the party returned a disappointing 14%. Only 1 in 7 voters.

    There are many young, talented, ambitious, able politicians in Sinn Fein. Doherty, O’Bruin. Mary Lou to name three.

    Politicians who have no ties – historic or imagined – to the IRA.

    They won’t let Gerry drag them down again.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:33 AM

    @Brinster: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The party’s capacity for shame is endless. He should resign. He’s had the whole 2016 centenary now. It’s a good time to call it a day. If he cares about them being electable he should go. My own bet is that he doesn’t. Unless MM makes a deal with Mary Lou to share power if he goes. Wasn’t it MM stirring the pot with Maria Cahill? And he’s at it again now. How odd! The only beneficiaries to this are Mary Lou and FF.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:56 AM

    Watch Enda get played like a fiddle here. He’ll try to take the highest moral ground and make the loudest noise about Gerry and morality. Michàel will get a few digs in, riling it up. Mary Lou will watch the pressure build and come to Jerry in am act of compassion, for him and the party. Jerry will go if the pressure is too much. Enda will feel like it was all his idea. Next election, the two republican parties will find some common ground, with Mary Lou in charge. Enda will be clueless to his part in this. Well played, Michàel. Well played, Mary Lou.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 7:20 AM

    If gerry adams’ nose grows any longer he’ll topple over

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    Dec 7th 2016, 7:54 AM

    @Mick Jordan:

    It’s not logical to conclude he knows him at all on the basis of being able to arrange a meeting and it’s speculative to assume there was a briefing before hand.

    There are most definitely reasons for the Stack’s to lie about Adams’ account. There are always at least three versions of a story. Theirs, the others and the truth.

    I appreciate the reasons for those assumptions are strong but it’s amateur sleuthing to make a case for cold logic built on warm guesses. It only detracts from finding truth.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 8:14 AM

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/adams-ive-been-given-the-names-of-alleged-stack-killers-34472133.html This broke during the election campaign. The article is unclear about where and his Austin Stack got the credible information and he is passed onto Adams or not. One thing is for sure – the killer is no closer to justice whilst the outdated party leaders on all sides play their games.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 8:58 AM

    @Mick Jordan: didn’t Adams arrange a meeting with the men stack give him the names of, the men denied being responsible. Didn’t stack go to Adams when he got frustrated with the gardai not taking action on the information he gave them.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 9:01 AM

    @jane: really Jane, why would somebody who believes Gerry was the leader of an organization responsible for his fathers murder lie to damage that persons political ambitions. Can’t think of any that’s got me stumped.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 9:09 AM

    @Brinster: clearly Adams should resign over a murder 20 years old, that he had no act are part in, while mehole should become taoiseach, despite bring part of a government that brought the country to its knees less than 10 years ago, the result of which has been the suicide of thousands of people, thousands more been made homeless and tens of thousands been forced to emigrate. As for enda he has followed on were f.f. have left off. Pumping money out of the country while Irish people die on the streets or die while waiting for medical treatment, but neither of these would be a resigning issue.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 9:11 AM

    @Hugh Mannatee: don’t mentionenda and fiddle in the same sentence people will make some sort of connection to Denis o brien

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:03 PM

    @joe o hare:

    “@Brinster: clearly Adams should resign over a murder 20 years old, that he had no act are part in,”

    No.

    He should resign for withholding information from an open murder investigation for over 2 years.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:56 PM

    Killean. How do arrange a meeting with an IRA commander (A) Without knowing who he was and (B) having him trust you enough to be introduced to two outsiders. And as for a briefing Adams is an experienced Politician. He most definitely would not want to be in on a meeting where he would be found wanting for lack of knowledge. So using a combination Logic and “Occhims Razor” theory my original statement stands.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 1:04 PM

    Joe. I believe the meeting was with the self described “Commanding Officer” of those responsible not the suspects themselves. And had the Stack’s at that meeting had spoken the names of the suspects they had supposed to have gotten from from the Gardai then surely the Gardai would have spoken to Adams about the names as soon as they had learned about the meeting from the Stack’s. But they didn’t so that would suggest (logically) that the Gardai were unaware of the names until Adams disclosed them to the Gardai several years later.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 1:51 PM

    @Mick Jordan: sticking the word logically into a sentence that clearly isn’t doesn’t give it any more credence.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 1:55 PM

    But it does Joe when is actually using it.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:07 PM

    @Brinster. on that grounds enda should resign over the fact that he has sat on the information he has about the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the biggest atrocity carried out during the troubles.Hundreds of lives ruined and f.g conspired with the British government to let it happen, how many more innocent people died at the hands of these terrorists just so f.g could take part in what they thought would be the death knell of the IRA as usual like bloody Sunday and so many other state led atrocities, this just swelled the ranks of the IRA. Every government since has sat on this information because making it public would legitimize the IRA actions.
    Simple every Government minster since 1974 should be stripped of their pension for the cowardly way they covered up the murder of 30 innocent Irish citizens and the injuries to hundreds more, these families have been treated despicably and with contempt by every government since.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:07 PM

    You can’t use the word ‘logic’ inappropriately like you have done. It serves no purpose

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:33 PM

    @Brinster:

    Brinster at first i thought you spoke a lot of sense until you spoke of Pearse Doherty as talented. He’s a passive aggressive economically illiterate thug.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:41 PM

    @Mick Jordan:

    In politics it is called back channeling. Gerry Adam’s as you correctly pointed out, is, a….politician.

    Occam’s razor is the theory you’re talking about.

    My name is spelled Killian.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:42 PM

    @Brinster:
    Very good points, Adams is stoping middle ground people from voting for SF. Anyone with a brain can see he is a liability, he must have some hold over SF.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 3:04 PM

    @ktsiwot:

    In my opinion…he’s paving the way for Mary Lou. He absorbs all of the criticism the party takes. To be fair she’s the best speaker in the Dail and a strong candidate for a more respected Sinn Fein.

    He’s just acting as shield and seeing his career out while they gain some momentum.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 4:52 PM

    Killian. The Occhims Razor theory is “the simplest answer is usually the correct one”.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 6:03 PM

    @Mick Jordan:

    Mick. The Killian’s razor theory is the “simplest mind is usually the incorrect one”.

    What you are citing is spelled Occam’s and it is not an irrefutable, infallible principle of logic.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 6:15 PM

    @Fred Johnson:

    He talented relative to his competition in SF.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 8:48 PM

    Hmm. Killian’s Razor Theory. That would explain a lot. One would have to be Simple Minded to be a Sinn Fein supporter.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:18 PM

    Someone is telling lies. I wonder who?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:22 PM

    Who cares

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:24 PM

    @james Goodyear: who has the agenda and who has nothing to gain.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:46 PM

    Well i think everyone knows that Adams is infinitely honest. He has never lied. The record shows over 40 years in the public eye he has been upfront and honest at all times. The cats on the trampolines know he’s a truthy kimd of guy. Never in the IRA or an IRA commander – such a succinct example of an upright guy just like his honest friend slab (who wasnt even a farmer- werent his cattle btw) they both are ‘good republicans’.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:57 PM

    @Old Gabby Johnson: and what has he to gain from lying in this situation.
    You are aware that successive Irish f.g/f.f governments made it illegal to volunteer in an army trying to protect Irish citizens and give them the freedom that the 26 counties enjoyed. Instead Irish government cooperated with the British who in return murdered innocent Irish citizens on both sides of the border.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:04 PM

    @joe o hare:

    Let’s pretend that Adams isn’t lying, Joe.

    He’ll telling the truth and Austin Stack gave him the names

    In which case, why did he wait over two years to contact the Gardai?

    Why did he sit on this information for 2 years?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:08 PM

    “Austin Stack told me that he had been given these names by journalistic and Garda sources.” Gerry Adams I think therefore it’s safe to assume he believed the Gardaí already knew the names given that they’d given them to Austin.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:13 PM

    @Brendan McGill:

    “I think therefore it’s safe to assume he believed the Gardaí already knew the names”

    So why did Adams make the statement at all then?

    If he believed the Gardai had the names, why decide to make a statement 2 years later, with by his own admission, no further contact from Austin Stack?

    It really, really doesn’t add up at all.

    In fact it stinks.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:38 PM

    @Brinster: point of interest why didnt stack give the names to the garda ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:42 PM

    He said he gave no names- thats the point. Duh. Sure of course he could have just waltzed into any station and given over names im sure the IRA would have applauded him- you’re right.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:08 AM

    @Peter donnelly:

    Firstly Peter, just to acknowledge that Austin Stack has categorically denied furnishing Deputy Adams with any names.

    I don’t know why he wouldn’t give the names (if he had any) to the Gardai.

    Here are a few possible guesses.

    1) He may not trust the information he was given. Entirely possible that he suspected he was deliberately given false and easily disprovable information to discredit him if he did approach the Gardai.

    2) He had no way of verifying the information he was given. Maybe he wasn’t comfortable making an accusation he couldn’t back up.

    3) He may have been given the names in confidence and providing the names to the Gardai may have compromised the one source of information he had on his father’s murder.

    4) He may have been trying to encourage his source to go the Gardai themself.

    Any one of the above seem, to me, reasonable.

    What does not seem reasonable is that Adams waited two years before going to the Gardai.

    Why wait?

    And what changed?

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:12 AM

    @Brinster: Well then the pertienent question surely would be why the Stack Brothers didnt give the names to the Gardai, no?

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:23 AM

    @Robin Aindriú Mac Eochaidh:

    Answered that above, Robin.

    My opinion only, though. I’m not claiming to speak for anyone.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:30 PM

    @Robin Aindriú Mac Eochaidh:
    What’s pertinent is Gerry Adams knows the identity (he brought Stack in a van to him) of a man who clearly has knowledge of a murder.
    Adams is obliged to supply that mans name to the gardai.
    Don’t hold your breath

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:10 PM

    @John Johnson: you think Gerry was driving the van.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:52 PM

    If Gerry tells the truth one TD is in big shit

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    Dec 7th 2016, 8:36 AM

    Wheels go round

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    Dec 7th 2016, 1:37 PM

    Gerry’s told so many porkies over the years he’s no longer sure what is true and what isn’t.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 6:52 PM

    So he decides to “support” some families in their quest for the truth and not others.

    This guy is so full of sh*t.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:18 PM

    So, there’s an election soon…

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:41 PM

    You’d certainly be forgiven for thinking so!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:47 PM

    Tut on son!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:53 PM

    @Old Gabby Johnson: maybe mehole is going to pull enda plug

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:02 PM

    Exactly Willie- wait for it -front page of Indo – 3 days in a row of SF bashing.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:37 AM

    @Peter McGlynn: Deservedly so. I for one am a Republican, I believe that the armed campaign was justified in the late 60s, not to unite Ireland but as a consequence of the civil rights movement been shot off the streets, the conditions Nationalists in the North had to put up with.

    The moment the IRA started killing innocent civilians is the turning point for me. By all means the British Troops, RUC, Loyalist Paramilitaries and Prison Guards in the North where legitimate targets. As they killed and maimed many nationalists

    The Gardai, Irish Army and Prison Guards where not legitimate targets and committing crimes down here to fund the bombs on the streets of London was wrong.

    This murder was a cowardly act, although not sanctioned by the Army Council they still covered it up and made sure no arrests where made.

    My vote and many other votes in the next election depend on how Adams handles this. He withheld information on the death of an agent of the state, it makes you think what else is he witholding ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:22 PM

    Did fianna fail not cover up the disappearance of mary boyle? Pot calling the kettle black?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:26 PM

    Furthermore, CFCs are a leading cause of global warming. Why are we talking about Sinn Fein dishonesty when the planet is threatened by a hole in the ozone layer. I’d also add, don’t think about Gerry, look over there, squirrel!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:29 PM

    @Mr D: The gardai and politicians and the clergy have been covering lots of crimes for decades.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:46 PM

    @alphanautica, so do you honestly believe Micheal Martin and Fianna Fáil shouldn’t face the same criticism and exposure regarding the Mary Boyle case? Genuine question here?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:49 PM

    What has mary boyle got to with above story ? Oh i see it doesnt – in other news freddie starr ate my hamster as well.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:54 PM

    @Old Gabby Johnson, So let’s just ignore it then?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:43 PM

    Brendan i can see that you’re an idiot- thats ok though democracy affords you that right.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:29 PM

    Why Sinn Fèin persist in having these old dinosaurs as their leaders is beyond me. They will never be in power as long as they have to continue to lie to Irish people about their previous actions. We all know what happened. You might even be able to justify most of it. But you can’t put us in a position of voting for a party where we know the leaders are lying about murders.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:55 PM

    Funny it’s Sinn Fein that want the Truth and Reconciliation commission set up but FF and FG are not so keen. Wonder why? Of that’s right they only want the political advantageous “truth” in the media.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:56 PM

    Bang on Peter!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:02 PM

    @Hugh Mannatee: its called loyalty, I suppose if your leader has been shot, jailed, interrogated and lives under constant death threat, then you can assume he is there to stand up for what he believes and not just to line his pockets and that of his friends

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:10 PM

    They want to make a difference to our country. That’s the purpose of a political party. Blind loyalty to him will not help them with voters. We can acknowledge what he stands for without the need to force lies down our throats and asking us to forgive and forget.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:28 PM

    While Adams is lewder of Sinn Fein they will always find it difficult to shake off the link with the IRA.The sooner he stands down the better for that party!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:31 PM

    Lewder??? Haha. Leader read…

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:31 AM

    Nail on head Peter wait for the red thumbs from the brainwashed blueshirts

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:49 PM

    @Peter McGlynn:
    Saying you want something is fine, why not make a start with this case then ?
    All parties by their nature are self serving, there is not an earthly chance that any party/army etc etc will hang all their dirty linen out in public. (they may do some tokenism)
    Be realistic, how could SF spill the beans on so many of their own or why would they ?
    Without a doubt it would be used to whip them and probably destroy them.
    SF for the short to medium term future will be shackled to their past.
    For some that’s something to be proud of, for others they will never trust SF

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:26 PM

    Why is there this moral crap only being applied to Sinn Fein and Adams, but the British government gets a pass for centuries of murders?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:29 PM

    @William Kavanagh: Don’t get me started on the Romans.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:35 PM

    Because none of them are in the Dáil

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:37 PM

    @alphanautica: don’t worry the biggest atrocities of the troubles, the Dublin and Monaghan bombings were sanctioned by the British state and facilitated by the Irish f.g government. The gardai apprehended those responsible in Dundalk one of those apprehended ( a member of British intelligence) gave the number of a top ranking government official and after a few phone calls they were let go on their merry way. The government then covered up and destroyed any evidence linking those responsible to the murder of innocent Irish citizens, when is Edna going to make this information available and when is his partner mehole going to question him about it in the dail

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:40 PM

    @joe o hare: the wrong people always get the bullets in the head…

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:43 PM

    @joe o hare:
    IRA murdered 1800+ civilians.
    Dublin + Monaghan bombings = 33 civilians.
    “the biggest atrocities of the troubles, the Dublin and Monaghan bombings” … how do you work that out?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:48 PM

    @alphanautica: by your count the IRA won so.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:52 PM

    *truthiness*

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:54 PM

    1800 and the Ira won. What did they win?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:58 PM

    Brits out. Toicfaidh ar expense claims. Nothing says victory like taking the queens shilling. They certainly showed the brits whos boss.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:58 PM

    @alphanautica: leave out the collusion between loyalists and British forces.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:18 PM

    The IRA killed 700 civilians in the Troubles. Where the hell are you getting the 1800 figure from???? Jesus down people are clueless!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:20 PM

    *some

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:31 PM

    @PaulJ: What is your source for 700? (An Phoblacht doesn’t count as a source)

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:40 PM

    @alphanautica: what is your definition on civilian?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:56 PM

    @William Kavanagh: Anyone not standing in front of you in a uniform holding a gun.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:32 AM

    @William Kavanagh: If you have any evidence, bring it to Gerry Adams. He’ll pass it on before we hit 2020.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:25 AM

    @Daisy Chainsaw: I never praised Adams. Any fool knows the deal, but our government has no qualms in dealing with people that carried out atrocities on Irish civilians and also on a global scale. The other alphafool here actually thinks he is clever too….

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:19 PM

    @alphanautica:
    According to Malcolm Sutton’s Index of Deaths from the Conflict in Ireland: Number of civilians killed by British security forces: 187, by loyalists: 878, by republicans: 723.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:19 PM

    Serious questions asked by M.M. Why if Gerry Adams was given the names of the killers of Brian Stack by Austin Stack in 2013 did he wait ontill 2016 to pass this information onto the Gardai ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:23 PM

    Why didn’t mr stack give the names to the gardai and not Gerry Adams?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:26 PM

    Gerard any chance you can answer . Why if Gerry Adams was given the names of the killers of Brian Stack by Austin Stack in 2013 did he wait ontill 2016 to pass this information onto the Gardai ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:26 PM

    @doorhandler: should Austin Stack be charged with withholding evidence. Did Austin Stack get the evidence legally.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:28 PM

    Because Gerry was already well aware of the names of the infantry and their operations within the organisation that he was Chief of;so it didn’t dawn on him that this was new information, until he realised he wasn’t meant to know about it as he was never in the IRA and his past was but a dream?

    What a tangled web….

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:47 PM

    I for one think Adams has done a great service to the people of the whole island of Ireland which is a lot more that can be said for the rest of our so called current leaders.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:50 PM

    @Paul Mc: and at much risk to his life. Edna and his bum chum mehole would need adult diapers if they went through half of what Gerry did.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:51 PM

    @Paul MC Your entitled to your view and opinion even though it baffles me. Can I ask what your opinion is on Why if Gerry Adams was given the names of the killers of Brian Stack by Austin Stack in 2013 did he wait ontill 2016 to pass this information onto the Gardai ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:55 PM

    Your auld copy and paste buttons are at risk of wearing out today doorhandler!

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:59 PM

    @Brendan I’ll keep asking. Have you any opinion on why if Gerry Adams was given the names of the killers of Brian Stack by Austin Stack in 2013 did he wait ontill 2016 to pass this information onto the Gardai ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:02 PM

    My opinion is that he was told that Austin Stack learned the names from Garda and Journalistic sources, so if he got the names from Gardaí I believe it’d be safe for Gerry to believe the Gardaí had the names and didn’t need him to give them the names that they had given to Austin.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:03 PM
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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:07 PM

    Brendan thanks for your reply and answering the question. But why in 2016,two years after he got the information, then decide he better man up and give the names of his colleagues to the Gardai ?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:11 PM

    I believe he thought it was the right thing to do at the time, I dunno.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:13 PM

    Well doorhandler, all life is precious every single one.I don’t think anyone is saying Adams was responsible for the death of Mr Stack.I have seen the difference that Adams has made at great sacrifice to himself and his family to the six counties of Ireland under British rule. The man is vilified in the press in the Republic and in my opinion for what it’s worth is that maybe the elites in the 26 counties are worried that maybe some social justice is on its way.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:25 PM

    Brendan, I know your been honest and I’m not trying to have a go at you personally. However by your answer “I dunno” shows you are just as baffled as me. You seem to be supporting Deputy Adams but this stinks.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:31 PM

    @Paul I agree all life is precious. That’s what this is all about. .

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:45 PM

    I told you what I believe doorhandler other than that I don’t actually know why he decided to go to the Gardaí that’s why i said I dunno. I imagine Fianna Fáils political game playing at the time had a lot to do with it though.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:53 PM

    I think he went after been goaded by Charlie Flanagan. Nothing to do with those bad FFers. You like me are still no wiser why after holding information for over two years he decided to go the Gardai and give the names of his colleagues, which by the way, Austin Stack is adamant he never gave him.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:59 PM

    @Paul Mc:
    I’m curious as to why you wouldn’t include Deputy Adams in the elites, he appears quite wealthy off the back of the troubles. Numerous houses, salaries, pensions etc. From Westminster, the Dail, probably Stormont, book writing etc etc. Is he not an elite ? Is he not feathering his own nest ?

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    Dec 7th 2016, 1:22 PM

    Gerry Adams claimed in excess of €1 million in expenses from Westminster alone
    (Martin Guinness actually claimed more than him)
    Not to mention his MLA salary from Strormont etc etc etc

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:18 PM

    @John Johnson: I would imagine he would feel better off and more elite if he followed the normal route to the dail, tell lies kiss ass throw a few favours become a councillor, take backhanders, do favours, pull a few strings, buy a few pints, go to funerals of people you don’t know get a seat in the rail or get born into a political dynasty and wait for your farther to die and get elected on a sympathy vote, either way would be easier than living under a constant death threath.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 5:00 PM

    In fairness John Johnson if you do a little bit of research you will find Deputy Kenny has claimed by far the most expenses in the last 40years from the Irish state. He also has a tendency to stuff committees and quangos with his cronies. Adams has contributed to the people of Ireland at least he will leave a decent legacy behind him unlike the current leaders of Fine Gael,Fianna Fail,the Labour party and the Greens.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:56 PM

    A sure he knows no one in the IRA he just packs a man off in a van to meet the IRA so they can tell him who shot his father

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:00 PM

    What’s really scary is the blind allegiance some commentators have to Gerry Adams.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:25 PM

    So there isnt a homeless crisis in ireland. Lets just talk about the past and do nothing about this terrible problem facing 7000 people in ireland this christmas.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:27 PM

    @simon o flaherty: homeless crisis, suicide crisis healthcare crisis. Faux outrage crisis.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:19 PM

    Sinn Fein says under Dail privilege what they won’t dare utter outside the protection of the Dail for fear of challenge by the truth.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:13 PM

    Micheál Martin accused “the Provos” of “living in a parallel universe, in which rules apply to one group but not to anyone else.”

    That coming from the leader of one of the most corrupt Irish parties ever…. Even worse ar the fools who believe in them and vote for them every time…..

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:47 AM

    @William Kavanagh: Shinners really don’t like a light being shone under their rocks, do they. The desperate whataboutery is absolutely hillarious!

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:30 AM

    @Daisy Chainsaw: i am not talking about shinners… You keep bringing that up. What is your problem? Are you on double time? You are telling everyone here that FF are a good party, who have always had the coomon joe best interests at heart? FF are not Irish. They are people that will let good honest people die. Like FG, Labour.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:31 AM

    @William Kavanagh: I said even worse are the fools who support them, and you showed up….. Well played.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:50 PM

    When people say no FG/FF/LAB , is this the party they want? Nah Good luck.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:07 PM

    Has our Gerry been telling porkies again?

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:06 PM

    It is good to see true cooperation between f.g And ff. The country is in meltdown unreal rates of homelessness and suicide. Quick we need a distraction. Quick look over there Gerry is a bad man. Is edna going to make another false promised to the homeless this year.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:23 PM

    Why would he know, and why is it always up to him to make statements about the IRA? Sure he was never a member of the IRA.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:25 PM

    @Eóghain Pádraig MacEochagáin: here, here

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:52 PM

    @Eóghain Pádraig MacEochagáin: You have a short memory, it was Gerry Adams who said (referring to the IRA) that they had never gone away. So how would he know this if he was never involved or a member of the IRA.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 4:56 PM

    @Mr D: *http://grammarist.com/spelling/hear-hear/

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:09 PM

    Maybe me hole can stand up and tell us what he and his party plus media know about the murder of the priest in Offaly or that poor girl Mary from Donegal or about the cover up of the stardust. While we’re at it maybe fg can tell us why they gave the evidence they comply on the Monaghan Dublin bombing to the Brit while knowing that British soldiers were involved.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:27 PM

    I really wish GA would step down as leader of SF,the party will prosper with himself..ferris and a few more gone..Your work is done..become honorary life president but leave the politics to the new generation..Mary Lou..Pearse Doherty..Eoin O Brion etc..all good people without a past..I’ll still voteSF..but more people would consider votingSF if Gerry stepped aside..

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:35 PM

    I find Mary Lou one of the most off-putting politicians in the Dáil and that’s up against some stiff competition. She has an odd blend of being hyper-sensitive yet loves to condescend to others. Long may she not reign

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:48 PM

    @Kieran OKeeffe: Even the Brits honoured GA with a baronetcy when he stood down as a Westminster MP although he never stepped foot in the place. So perhaps Enda could organise a papal knighthood for him or something of that order.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:38 AM

    @Kieran OKeeffe: Good people without a past who unconditionally support the beards, the bombers, the bank robbers, the Garda murderers. Clear out the likes of Gerry and you still have his groupies who by their active membership of Adams’ Sinn Fein condone Garda murders and blowing up innocent people both in Ireland and the UK.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 2:27 AM

    @Daisy Chainsaw: so, you will continue to let the past hang over Ireland? Sure, we’ll never move forward. What happened is in the past. People will change over a generation or ttwo. But you cannot keep bringing up the past in every argument.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 9:19 AM

    @Daisy Chainsaw: clearly daisy some people north and south weren’t as upset as you that the IRA used violence to protect themselves from attack by the British and to get the same freedom that was afforded to those in thee 26 counties that was achieved by blowing up and killing innocent people.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:33 PM

    Mr Martin who in your party stopped the apprehending the murder and disapearing of ………..MARY BOYLE a child its an open investigation Mr Martin did you ask anyone in your party about this horrific crime if not why not or was it you I don’t know ….clarification please muster martin

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:24 PM

    Someone is telling porky pies..now Gerrrayy how do like your bacon cooked..

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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:46 PM

    What we really need is the truth let’s hope the oirish independent can clear it up for us in the morning.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 12:43 AM

    If the British had not created the conflict in the north this would not be an issue.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 7:37 AM

    Stack, like Cahill are foolish pawns in the FG/FF colition’s attack on what they see as a threat to the centralists elitism.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 9:22 AM

    Good to see the corrupt pocket stuffing parties of f.f and f.g finally merging, it has become impossible to distinguish between f.g and f.f paid trolls.

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    Mute James Dooley
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    Dec 7th 2016, 7:07 AM

    Ok would FF &FG be better off sorting homeless and use crisis and let guards sort this out . as hundreds lie on trollies thousands homeless people dying on streets because they ignore the bigger issues . let the guards do their job and investigate the murder not them who risk collapsing a case of or when it went to court

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    Dec 7th 2016, 11:07 AM

    People cannot leave the past go I have never heard anyone here talk about what the PRODS did but every-time Gerry Adams name comes up they cannot wait to stick the knife in anybody out their believes their would have been a peace process without Gerry Adams would be sorely mistaken. So wake up stop bringing up the past Sinn Fein are the best Party in this Country they have the best speakers the best strategists and they work hard . They are so far ahead of FF and FG who are still into old style politics. God Bless Gerry Adams for bringing peace to this Country

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    Dec 7th 2016, 4:29 PM

    @Donal Carey: You are on deluded man…. Were one of the SF die hards who cheered the Jerry McCabe killers at the SF ARD Fheis? Gerry calls gangsters good republicans….

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    Mute Seymour business
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    Dec 6th 2016, 10:27 PM

    As the saying goes “if your explaining your loosing ” Seriously it’s high time McDonald got her chance.

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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:51 PM

    Loose lips sink ships and also gets your teeth knocked out of your head

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    Mute Tommy Byrne
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    Dec 6th 2016, 11:41 PM

    Snitches get stitches !!!

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    Mute Eamon Mac Gowan
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    Dec 7th 2016, 1:31 PM

    Terrible thing to happen, but there were allegations by Martin Ferris and others that this officer was complicit in the maltreatment of Republican prisoners.

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    Dec 7th 2016, 3:22 PM

    What did stack do to get a bullet?

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    Mute Paul Lane
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    Dec 7th 2016, 7:39 AM

    “Coalition”

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    Dec 7th 2016, 3:38 PM

    Gerry Adams don’t like the man, but I do like shin fein to a extend

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    Dec 7th 2016, 6:01 PM

    Jarry 4 houses is back from Cuba and walks smack into reality,love this guy

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