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HSE doesn't collate data on how many patients can't get a doctor's appointment

A number of regions have closed GP panel lists due to capacity.

NEITHER THE NATIONAL Medical Card Unit (NMCU) nor the HSE collate or count the number of applications from people who have been unable to obtain a GP appointment in their locality. 

If a person is unable to secure a doctor’s appointment in their area, the rules set out that they can get in touch with the medical card unit indicating that they have applied to three practices who were unable to accept them on their panels.

In such circumstances, the client can then be assigned to an available GP who has a contract with the HSE.

The Dáil has heard that 70% of GPs have closed their lists to new patients as it is the only way they can control their workloads.

Despite a government deal to improve conditions for doctors, the number of GPs has been static since the start of the year.

The HSE said they are aware of the situation of doctors closing their lists, which is resulting in some people being unable to book a doctor’s appointment or even be added the clinic’s list of patients. 

Speaking to TheJournal.ie, one person said they had moved to a new county the previous year. When they needed to book a doctor’s appointment they called their local primary care centre. 

However, they were told due to the increase in population in the area, there were not enough GPs to cover demand. As they were not “a local”, they could not be added to the list. 

They were also informed that this was a national issue, and not just a local problem. This person was forced to travel back to their home county to visit their family doctor. 

The HSE said in a statement that GP panels are frozen for primarily two reasons. When there is a resignation or retirement of a doctor, the panel remains frozen for a period of three months from the time a new one is appointed.

Patients cannot move from frozen panels but new patients can be added.  

The other reason is when panels exceed the number of patients they are allowed care for. 

GP contract

Under the GP contract, the total number of patients placed on a panel cannot exceed 2,000. This figure increases to 2,200 under the under six age group contract. Should a doctor exceed this limit, a freeze on the panel is introduced.

No new patients can be added to the panel until the time the numbers decrease. 

The HSE says that any medical card holder who is facing difficulty obtaining a GP is advised to correspond directly with the NMCU.

“If there are specific cases concerning GP assignments of access to local practices, the HSE would welcome the details on such cases to ensure that any feedback and learning can be taken into our reviewing our processes and service,” the HSE said in a statement. 

When asked how many applications the NMCU has received from people unable to get on panels, the HSE stated:  

In respect of the number of applications made to the National Medical Card Unit in relation to people not being able to see a GP in their area in the last year, the HSE/NMCU do not routinely collate this information.

Sinn Féin’s Louise O’Reilly said “the analysis of most GPs is that General Practice is under huge strain due to funding difficulties and a shortage of GPs”.

“This means that GPs are under huge pressure and the result for patients is that many GP patient lists are full, or a GP appointment will take almost a week to schedule, and sometimes more than that.”

She added:

We believe directly employed HSE GPs have a role to play in alleviating this capacity crisis and providing care in areas that are experiencing difficulties.

In order to get further information on how many people might be experiencing difficulties in seeing a doctor in their area, TheJournal.ie contacted all community healthcare organisations to ask if their panels were open or closed to new patients. 

Below each community health organisation is listed, with details of what doctors’ lists are open or frozen. 

Louth / Meath area

A spokesperson for CHO Area 8 said the Louth/ Meath area has never “closed” a list, but said on occasions there has been a temporary “freeze” of a panel.

“Upon retirement or resignation we will endeavour to find a GP from within the practice or the surrounding area to oversee the vacant list in a temporary/locum capacity until we recruit permanently, which we always strive to do as quickly as possible.

“While the panel is being held in a locum capacity it will be ‘frozen’ to ensure the list does not diminish and is still attractive, enticing a new GP to apply for the permanent role.

“A frozen panel means that there is minimum movement, but once the panel is not full (2,000 patients on a GMS contract or 2,200 if the GP holds GMS and Under six age group contract — and most GPs do) the Primary Care Reimbursement Service (PCRS) still has access and permission to assign patients to the list,” they said.

The spokesperson added that where there have been no resignations or movement of doctors, the PCRS will automatically freeze a panel that reaches the maximum allowed. 

“In exceptional circumstances we can override this at the request of the GP where they say they have capacity for more patients. This is very rare, but has happened in areas where large numbers of private patients have a change in circumstance and are issued Medical Cards,” they said. 

“It would be rare for a CHO to freeze a panel with exception of the GP meeting maximum capacity or leaving the post, although they added that some GPs freeze their panels even before the 2,200 limit if they feel the number of patients exceeds the capacity of the practice,” they said.

They noted that practices also have to contend with their private patients, which can be significant. The spokesperson added that the practices don’t always inform the HSE when they freeze their panels to new patients, but they deal directly with PCRS.

As of the end of the summer, there were nine panels frozen in the Louth/Meath area. 

The other seven panels were also advised that a decision will have to be made with regard to the long term.  

On average, the Louth/Meath area has one request per week from people who cannot get on to a panel, with occasional weeks having more.

The Midlands

In the Midlands area, the standard practice is that panels are frozen for a specified period in the case of resignation/retirement/death of a doctor.

The panels are frozen up to six months prior to a GP’s retirement/resignation and up to a period of three months after a permanent person appointed.

In 2019, there were 11 panels frozen in the Midlands area due to resignations/retirements during the year.

Out of this total, as of the end of the August, five of these panels were frozen.

A spokesperson stated that panels are automatically frozen when they reach 2,200 patients which is the maximum permitted limit.

Dublin North City and County

As of the end of August, one GP panel was frozen and maintained in a locum capacity until a permanent GP was appointed. 

This panel was frozen “due to exceeding the limitation of numbers”, which as stated above, is 2,200 since the under 6s contract was implemented.    

A spokesperson for community healthcare organisation Area 9 said GPs manage their own practices and determine how many patients they can manage to care for on their GMS panels.

“Therefore, GPs make their own decision to close off panels when they reach a certain limit particularly the single-handed GP whereby they may not be in a position to manage a large panel of GMS patients particularly if they have a large private practice also.

“The PCU would not have access to any of the details in this regard particularly the number of GPs who have closed off their panels.”

Carlow, Kilkenny, South Tipperary, Waterford and Wexford

In the South East Community Healthcare area, which delivers Primary Care services in counties Carlow, Kilkenny, South Tipperary, Waterford and Wexford, six GP panels were ‘frozen’ as of the end of August. 

In this region there are no GPs whose panel is frozen due to exceeding the limitation of numbers, said a spokesperson.

They added that GPs make their own decision to close off panels. Like other regional organisations, the data on the number of applications made by people who could not get to see a doctor is not held locally.

As stated previously, the HSE states that it also does not collate this information.

Cavan, Donegal, Leitrim, Monaghan, and Sligo

A spokesperson for this community healthcare organisation area stated that occasionally panels are frozen, meaning patients cannot transfer off the panel to another GP for a period of time about three to six months.

They said people can continue to register with a panel even if it is frozen. 

As of the end of August, there were six frozen panels across CHO Area 1 , three of which are locum panels. Again, they added that the local office does not hold records for persons from its area who have made applications in relation to getting on a GP list.

Limerick, Clare, North Tipperary

According to a spokesperson for the region, there are no GPs whose panels are frozen due to exceeding the limitation of numbers.  

Galway, Mayo and Roscommon Community Healthcare West said it was not in a position to state how many GP panels have been closed in Galway, Mayo and Roscommon in the last year.

It also said it is not in a position to state how many applications were made to the National Medical Card Unit from its locality in the last year in relation to getting on a GP list. 

Dublin South, Kildare & West Wicklow 

There are currently six panels in Dublin South, Kildare and West Wicklow that have a freeze in place.   

The local organisation said it was not in a position to state how many applications were made to the National Medical Card Unit from the region in the last year in relation to getting on a GP list. 

TheJournal.ie did not receive a response with information for Dublin South East, Dun Laoghaire, Wicklow (CHO Area 6), and Cork and Kerry (CHO Area 4).

Health Minister Simon Harris has said this investment will mean significant increases in capitation fees for GPs who participate in the reform programme, as well as the introduction of new fees and subsidies for additional services.

There will also be increased support for rural practices and for those in disadvantaged urban areas. There will also be a ring-fenced fund for general practice in urban areas.

Last month, doctors said the government’s plan to extend free GP care to children under the age of eight will lead to mounting pressure on a service already near breaking point in many areas.

The government confirmed that the extension of free GP care, which is already available to children under the age of six, was included in Budget 2020.

The move was criticised by the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO), a body that represents doctors across the country, which said it had not agreed to its implementation.

Denis McCauley, Chairman of the IMO GP Committee, said doctors’ concerns stem from capacity and infrastructure issues.

“When you give somebody a medical card, it’s a fact that they will attend the doctor more regularly. That’s not a judgement, it’s just a fact,” McCauley said. 

He said patients throughout the country are dealing with the impact of the government’s decision to bring in free GP care for certain age groups.

“Patients see the impact of this on the ground because they cannot get onto a local doctor’s list, they have closed their list due to capacity issues.

Even when patients are members of a practice, they sometimes have to wait several days if not weeks to see a GP. There is severe pressure on capacity in general practice.

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    Mute P Quinn
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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:23 AM

    The Taoiseach seems happy to spend money on absolutely anything but where it’s needed.

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    Mute Shawn O'Ceallaghan
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    Sep 8th 2018, 12:56 PM

    @P Quinn: ignoring the fact that the US fund these security costs.

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    Mute Noirin Kavanagh
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    Sep 8th 2018, 1:15 PM

    @Shawn O’Ceallaghan: are you saying the trip won’t cost us anything? Just checking, as Trump is known for not paying up

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    Mute TamuMassif2019
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    Sep 8th 2018, 1:58 PM

    @P Quinn: Stick Trump on a trolley in a hallway instead?

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    Mute Martin Stapleton
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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:29 AM

    Look,
    Leo, this is your chance to show the world that Ireland has grown up.
    Make no fuss, no bells and whistles and just do what a strong, together nation needs to do.
    The Irish people can welcome him or protest but I would like the Government that represents me to do nothing only the essentials when this guy visits.
    He has his own gaf, so let him use it.
    The Gardai, the Defence forces are getting paid anyway so just reallocate the resources we have and so keeping the costs to a minimum.
    If the money can be found to pander to this tool, then you should use it where it is really needed.
    Come on Leo….. make a real difference.

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    Mute Pat Patovic
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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:13 PM

    @Martin Stapleton: Yeah right. Just the same we did when the boss of world biggest pedophile mafia visited recently. We really showed him what a modern forward thinking nation we are.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:25 AM

    Can’t his secret service look after him
    Problem solved.

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    Mute Roy Dowling
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    Sep 8th 2018, 9:27 AM

    @Alan Cummins: Yea there first reaction is usually shoot first ask no questions later.

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    Mute TamuMassif2019
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    Sep 8th 2018, 2:00 PM

    @Alan Cummins: He’s just too toxic…

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    Sep 8th 2018, 8:01 AM

    If it costs €10M it is still a small fraction of the taxes paid by US companies in Ireland every year. We should welcome him and express our views but remember that he will face an election in two years and maybe gone but the United States will still be our friend. Why sour relations with a democracy because of prejudice and disapproval of his policies. Wake up and smell the coffee.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 12:18 PM

    He wants to pull those companies out of Ireland and back to the US and the CEO’s of most of them can’t stand him.. neither can most Americans. Canceling the invite would be more in our interests..

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    Mute Gavin R
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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:31 AM

    I personally have no problem with the US president coming here if it will benefit Ireland in some way with trade agreements, but are we the tax payers not allowed to have a say on where the money is being spent, our government didn’t listen to the economists when they advised on the last crash and how there are warning in place again. Time to wake up.

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    Mute Paul
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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:33 AM

    Welcome to ireland trump, your doong a great job, and providing local jobs in doonbeg to the people of west clare, a statue should be built for you with all the money your puumping into the area.

    Hail hail.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 9:11 AM

    @Paul: don’t forget we the tax payer paid £30m towards his hotel and golf course……
    aha, yes NAMA sold him that hotel for a £30m discount of which we still owe Germany for. Thank you NAMA for burdening us with this debt we didn’t ask for.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:21 AM

    @Gareth Cooney: lol! Your right but hardly Trumps fault that, when the shit was against the fan ten years ago people did nothing and took the screwing over, only ourselves to blame.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:33 AM

    People should use their energy protesting against worthwhile issues not a dopey American President coming to town for a night or two.
    On a different note , I wonder how much the Americans spend on Leo’s security when he pops over for Paddy’s Day!?

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    Mute John Ryan
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    Sep 8th 2018, 12:20 PM

    @Hardly Normal: And when they do like they’re doing in Waterford at the moment they get pulled apart on social media for being done scroungers etc despite no evidence whatsoever.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:36 AM

    OMG , It’s NOT like my beloved government to squander money , they normally keep a very close eye on hard working tax payers money……just saying

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    Sep 8th 2018, 8:06 AM

    This issue raised its head when the Pope visited also. Whatever we might think of someone’s policies- this simple rule applies:

    If we invite them- we pay.
    If they invite us- they pay.

    You don’t invite someone over for dinner and tell them to bring the food, do you?

    International relations and protocol are the same.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:26 PM

    @OpenMinded: that should be the norm, but we invite the pope and pay 32million taxpayers money for the privilege, to the richest ‘nation’ in the world, lucky us.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:28 PM

    @Sean O’Reilly: and our ‘government’ shuts down 159 community services nationwide in 31 counties…

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:59 AM

    Get Noonan to pay for it,I’m sure after the last time and the red carpet he can even afford the dancing girls.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:28 AM

    Rubbish, they will do their own security, he has his own hotel, they have effective control of Shannon for their troop movements, & instead of protesting, let’s just ignore the charade.
    A Captain Boycott policy would be ideal.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 9:00 AM

    @William Kelly: or we could a #plaidshirtguy silent but effective protest!

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:27 AM

    Can’t the secret service look after him.
    Problem solved.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:22 AM

    Cheap lazy journalism.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:37 AM

    Seems to me this disgusting clown has actually invited himself to Ireland, not because he gives a damn about a country that alledgly stock piles millions in profits away from the IRS (According to himself anyway) but this is more about deflection from his troubles at home. “I know, I’ll go to Ireland, they love American Presidents, I’ll get lots of good press coverage etc etc”, the man has a warped sense of reality and I cannot phathom why every single Irish politician can’t just be away, out of the country, sick, anything to give this horrible man the welcome he deserves.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:41 AM

    @Joseph Dempsey: Welcome President Trump. Your economy is booming resulting from your tax changes, more money in the pockets of working class Americans , Tax cut for small businesses has enabled them to grow and start recruiting again after years of struggling under Obama who spent his time drone bombing innocent people. GDP is at 4% where it never rose above2% with Obama.Highest numbers of Women and Blacks working ever. AITS all about the economy stupid and you are found a good job, who cares what the permanently outraged snowflakes outrage over nothing has to say. People care about real things.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 12:23 PM

    @Ger Murphy: Live there do you?

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:19 AM

    What about spending a few millions on housing?

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    Sep 8th 2018, 8:55 AM

    Well worth it as the American put roughly 320bn into this country with the company’s here every year

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    Sep 8th 2018, 8:34 AM

    How many homeless people could have a roof over their heads for the amount of money to be spent on that clown visiting here.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 2:04 PM

    @Jonathan Broderick: I was waiting for the first homeless obsessed comment to arrive.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:21 PM

    @Jonathan Broderick: Very few compared to what it cost us to welcome boss of the biggest pedophile ring in the world. That would solve the housing crisis for years to come.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:47 AM

    Where will the money go to? Will it leave the country?

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    Sep 8th 2018, 9:17 AM

    @Pajo Mata: the gardai will see the majority of this money in their overtime costs because it certainly won’t be the defence forces.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:46 AM

    Got to laugh, or cry – Varadkar told reporters yesterday that “Protests rarely change things in my experience”
    Ah well, so much for democratic process, let’s see the protest vote at the election booths Leo.

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    Sep 9th 2018, 12:30 AM

    @wattsed: “Protests rarely change things in my experience”. Really ? Have you forgotten Irish Water already ? Protest killed that doozy. And don’t forget the ultimate protest occurs at the ballot box……

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    Sep 8th 2018, 7:44 AM

    Most expensive tax contribution to what is a free world advertisement for Trump Doonbeg – otherwise nothing in it for president trump to visit here

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:57 AM

    Our incompetent gov is costing the country billions.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:01 AM

    Politicians bankrupting the country, then manipulating the property market to get themselves out of trouble and causing a housing crisis in the process.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:02 AM

    With any luck he’ll do a Yeltsin and stay on the plane.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 2:03 PM

    Considering the billions upon billions of foreign direct investment that American companies, and tourists, contribute to Ireland, any money spent to facilitate U.S. President Trump’s visit to Ireland is more than worth it.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:00 AM

    Imagine what the publicity stateside will be for Ireland inc. seven million, lol!

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:21 AM

    @Shane Zerbe: if our government spend sometime on the housing crisis

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:22 AM

    @trebloc01: is it true that most of our government ministers are landlords?

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:08 PM

    Trump is not wanted , we already wasted millions having the pope .

    Spend the money on a new hospital? More ambulances? Homeless crisis ? The list goes on

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    Sep 8th 2018, 12:14 PM

    What BS, country paying millions so he can visit his Clare business interests safely. Boggling!

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:34 AM

    This Is very simple, if you have several million euro to indulge this moron for a day rather than use that money on homelessness or health care then you need to resign immediately. Tell him to get lost.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 1:56 PM

    He’s only popping in to check on his golf course get him to pay

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    Sep 8th 2018, 6:27 PM

    With all the money Trump is reported to have ,let him pay the bill himself,,this is like a fairy tale,with the budget due and they are warning of cutbacks,how in gods name is it going to cost millions,with the bill for the popes visit just gone now we have this other million euro holiday for Trump,,

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    Sep 8th 2018, 4:44 PM

    The people of Ireland should say enough is enough no more waste if public money

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:39 AM

    Atleast my taxes will be spent on something worthwhile for once . Go Trump . Cant wait to see them all licking up to him after slagging him off for 2 years , liberal losers.

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    Sep 8th 2018, 10:50 AM

    @John Porridge: i’m sure that it will be the best 10c of tax that you have ever paid \O/ ,yah right-wing loser :-)

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    Sep 8th 2018, 12:19 PM

    @Francis Mc Carthy: hi Francis , thanks for your wonderful comment . I take it you are looking forward to seeing the Donald . Kisses and hugs sweetie …

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    Sep 8th 2018, 1:41 PM

    Disgusting people lieing on trolleys in hospitals people sleeping on the streets and he’s doing what he likes with tax payers money this government is obnoxious

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    Sep 8th 2018, 11:49 AM

    Here we go again! Last month the Popes visit …nasty comments posted, Trumps visit has no fundraisers unlike the Papal Visit. It will cost us more. Let the lads who comment on this Journal App have a field day. Its set up to give the illusion of informative journalism…welcome one and all.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:41 AM

    lets face it -this entire visit is about two massively big headed egotists — leo and trump ! leo loves the publicity ,the photo shoots ,meeting the ‘celebrities ‘ – trump just loves the publicity – neither of them give a hoot about their countries or the citizens of their countries , both are far more interested in their own little worlds — when this pair of self obsessed clowns actually meet up the headlines should read “THE EGO’S HAVE LANDED “!

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