Its underground rail in Dublin we need lads, and lots of it.

Nah the underground for Kerry is on tge Healy-Rae shopping list. Dublin will be 2nd invtge queue.

Job announcements should be graded based on quality and likelihood, a low being a poorly paid job with low likelihood of being filled and low chances of being sustained long term. A lot of jobs have been stripped to the bones and barely provide a living. Ask anyone under 30 what their working conditions are like.

“There’s a good chance they won’t materialise for whatever reason”
Any chance you might expand on why they wouldn’t? Sound like you pulled that statement out of your ass with nothing whatsoever to back it up. If I didn’t know better I’d swear you are disappointed these jobs are announced, or maybe you are?

It’s actually quite funny, as it shows the level of understanding journal commenters have about enterprise and job creation. Big companies creating jobs by the hundred don’t wake up one morning and go “right lads, let’s hire 400 people tomorrow”!
Expansion plans are often years in the making. The announcements like this for jobs ye were whinging about in 2014 are probably only coming on stream now, the key is continuity. You can’t agree with the facts, unemployment almost halved in the last 4 years. Someone’s doing something right.

Anything else to say Fine Gael spin man?

@ Jason

One question –

Is today’s news good or bad for the country?

Pepper, despite your clearly antagonistic attitude I’ll humour you with an answer.

The jobs could be cancelled or deferred for a variety of reasons. Change of leadership in the business, issues with acquiring skilled workers, financial difficulties or a change in the marketplace could all result in a freeze or cancellation of the plans. If your business starts to struggle or your market starts to suffer a slow-down, you can be guaranteed that the plan to take on 500 new employees would be the first one to go out the window.

As the majority of these jobs will be created in healthcare, you can be guaranteed that a shortage of skilled labour will be their primary issue and will likely result in them seeking foreign labour.

Barry, it’s lukewarm. While it’s great to hear that there will be a growth in jobs it’s also important to note that the majority could possibly never materialise due to the timescales mentioned.

It’s always important to take these announcements with a grain of salt.

@ Jason

Lukewarm? 500 new jobs today – 50,000 new jobs this year – and you are lukewarm? It is exceptionally positive news for people who want the best for the country.

But of course the “patriots” on here hate any good news because they mistakenly believe that continued good news will hurt their party’s chances in the next election.

I don’t care who you support – 500 new jobs today and 50,000 new jobs this year is brilliant news for Ireland.

Barry.. Hook line and sinker.

Barry, you seem to be misunderstanding my point.

In 2012, Enda Kenny himself publicly stated that job losses in the period between 2007 and 2011 were around 220,000. The CSO released the actual figures and it was closer to 330,000 job losses. When the government were claiming that it was great news that the unemployment rate had dropped to 10% the EU was quick to release their own report which highlighted that the actual figure, when adjusted to also include underemployment, was actually around 30%.

I’m not trying to say that the creation of 1,000 jobs is a bad thing and if it does in fact happen I’ll be pleasantly surprised. I’m merely taking this information with a lot of salt as there’s no guarantees that they will materialise and the people who announce them have a proven record of ‘adjusting’ the numbers for press releases.

Pepper Brooks, you’re commenting on The Journal, the pit of Irish internet ignorance. The people commenting here are in the main buffoons that think they’re smart but are actually massively stupid. Blah blah blah, Irish Water, blah blah blah, immigrants, blah blah blah, Fr Ted quotes, blah blah blah, Muslims, blah blah blah Enda Kenny. I mean, Jason Culligan actually lives in Holland, but spends a vast amount of time on an Irish news site commenting. Don’t get upset by these people.

Good man John,fair play talking about yourself again I see.

John, you say that as if it’s some big secret which you discovered. I never made it a secret that I’m an Irish citizen with an Irish passport and Irish family living in Ireland who happened to emigrate due to the economic crisis. If anything I’d say that gives me more of an insight into these topics than an anonymous Facebook account.

How about you provide an actual counter-argument instead of your ad hominem contributions?

That’s it John, you keep lashing out with the personal stabs. Not only does your opinion have little impact on me, it also goes to show how little you actually have to say about the topic at hand. I will continue to post my opinions supported by facts and statistics safe in the knowledge that I’ve annoyed another person who is unwilling to put their name to their opinion.

Now, do you have anything at all to say about the current topic or are you just here to sling mud?

Jason, I’d say you’d have to actually look and feel to be convinced that your aunt is not actually your uncle.

Err… didn’t Brian Cowen announce Fianna Fail’s intention to create 300,000 jobs over five years, Fine Gael dismissed the plan at the time as a “repackaged jobs plan along with one more quango”, Leo Varadkar said it was “a PR joke that no unemployed person will be laughing at as it contains no funding, no new policies, no new programmes.” “Two months ago, the Government announced a revised National Development Plan which they claimed would create 270,000 jobs. Today, Brian Cowen and his colleagues announced a separate plan they said would create another 300,000 jobs.”
“That’s 570,000 new jobs over five years or 110,000 jobs a year. That works out at 2,000 new jobs a week every week or twice the number that were created at the height of the boom. What a farce,” he concluded.
All the parties made ridiculous announcements like this at various times, if we made a list of the promises Fiana Gael and Labour made over the past few years – and then promptly broke, instead of those they’re making now it’d be hilarious. Instead of listening to them say ‘I will, I will’ ask them ‘why didn’t you, why, didn’t you?’

Deleted comments….But it was a boring argument with ill-informed people.

@Jason, dont rise to them.. People read what they want and talk shite then if anyone says anything they dont agree with.. All you did was take the release with a pinch of salt, as anyone with even a normal level of intelligence would do.. If more and more jobs are being created, sure its good for the country, what we really should be demanding is to know where will the extra tax revenue go.. will it just vanish into the ether as normal.

Enda needs ti f o back 2 Mayo

Yeah great news for Ireland. Meanwhile are graduated are being exploited by companies & paid pittance. Are these jobs also hoing to pay pittance – giving our children little prospects apart from buying a few cloths, a few drinks & being unable to afford to rent never mind buy a home. Cheap Labour.

@pepper i realise that you only just opened your account. The journal is full of idiot anons.

@littleone before 2019 means within three years

@ Littleone

Firstly, the spin is the immediate focus on the perceived negative rather than the real and actual positive. Jobs are being created. 500 extra this year. Instead you focus on the time-frame and lament that they are not all immediate.

Secondly, the spin is in ignoring the huge upward trend in job creation. There are 1,000 jobs being created in the next five years. There are actually 1,000 jobs being created here per week.

Employment is up 140,000 over the last 3 years.

Unemployment is down from 15.1% to 8.8%.

But instead of greeting the news of further jobs postively – you choose to focus on the timy negative.

That’s the spin.

Thirdly, there is your is from your other comments here on this story-

“Last week 140 people lost jobs from bulmers , c& c in Tipperary. Jobs are still being lost in their hundreds.”

But net jobs are being created. There are far more jobs being created than being lost.

Spin Spin Spin.

Why can’t you just accept that today has brought good news for the country?

Barry. It’s easy to make announcements about what’s going to happen over 5 years. Actually producing is what mstters Tell that to the people who lose jobs by the hundreds every week and entire areas are being destroyed that it’s just spin spin spin. Gross employment has risen by 140,000 over the last 3 years but the three years before that saw over 330,000 jobs lost. That’s not even including the jobs lost in the last three years while these 140,000 were being created.
Haha good news for the country 1000 jobs over ,5 years . are you mad.

Mad that there are jobs being announced?

Mad that employment is up?

Mad that we have fewer people claiming social welfare and more earning wages?

Why would that make me mad?

It only makes you mad if you don’t want the best for the country.

Jobs are good. Job announcements are good.

The constant negative spin from so called patriots here is sickening.

Barry any jobs are good news , if these jobs materialise. But let’s be honest , the only way was up . but losses are still happening and these people will now be unemployed. This new job announcement works out on average at 250 jobs a year over the 5 years. Almost that amount was lost last week between bulmers 140 jobs and another 80 in galway.

@littleone, youre dead right.. its a good announcement sure.. But when its set in stone and the people are paying tax, then and only then is it good news.. How many people emigrated because of no work.. What if these people had all stayed at home, would our unemployment figures be so “rosy”.. its all spin and ye are all stupid if you believe it.. We will have taken in more immigrants over that time that will be bumming than these jobs create so all the one really

Ireland is dependant on the world wide economy doing well. Certain countries which we rely on are very shakey so when it comes to job predictions you must remember that is all they are. Forecasting the future is a difficult thing to do and all decisions are subject to change. I know id a few upcoming @ decisions which will cost jobs not only in cork but around the world.thats the game though,ups and downs.

I think you my be incorrect, perhaps?

http://www.finfacts.ie/Irish_finance_news/articleDetail.php?Irish-dole-claims-end-2015-at-410-000-Broad-jobless-rate-at-19-466

My reply was fer Barry Flanagan

Yet again the doom merchants are out to tell us why this is not actually good news. How patriotic. The upward trend is what’s important. Employment has risen by 140,000 over the last three years. Unemployment is down from 15.1% to 8.8%. But please continue with the negative spin.

I wish they would give all the facts though. Who is on schemes like jobs bridge, doing courses, how many jobs created vs lost.. Simple stuff. It’s too easy to fudge figures these days to look good.

There is no doubt that things are getting better. I don’t know if that’s down to the government or external improvements.

@ Stephen Devlin

It’s very easy to get those figures Stephen.

Go to the CSO Website. Link is here –

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterdecember2015/

Per the official stats, the number of people on “activation programs” (i.e. Back to Work/Jobbridge/Gateway) is down from 16,500 to 15,500 over the last year.

You’re being disingenuous with your figures. Gross employment has risen by 140,000 over the last 3 years but the three years before that saw over 330,000 jobs lost. That’s not even including the jobs lost in the last three years while these 140,000 were being created.

We only started to see a net growth in 2014 and even still it’s a long way away from pre-crash levels and doesn’t factor in emigration levels.

@ Jason

Where did I claim that things were back to 2007 levels?

All I’ve said is that things are much, much better, and that the trend is upward. Of course there is still a way to go, but in 2007 we had full employment. We’re nowhere near that yet but we’re in a far better place than we were.

It is disingenuous to pretend that things aren’t getting better.

You’re being disingenuous by not providing the full picture. You’re selecting the one figure which looks positive and pushing only that figure when the reality is there’s a lot more statistics and figures involved which show that the situation at the moment isn’t all sunshine and rainbows.

Never said sunshine and rainbows, Jason.

And I’m not selecting one figure. I’m focusing on the massively upward trend over the last three years – not one outlying statistic.

When it comes to employment in Ireland the last three yeas have been very positive.

That is the fact.

Not entirely, in fact only 2014 and 2015 saw a net growth in job creation as 2013 still saw more jobs being lost than being created. This was accompanied by a mild growth of about 20,000 net jobs in 2014 and an ‘abnormally’ high net growth in 2015. The trend was upwards for a period but it hasn’t been upwards the entire way. In fact the last 3 months of 2015 saw no net job growth and this could continue into 2016.

Barry CSO figures are too broad in terms if I get 6 contracts this year that’s counted as 6 new jobs the “government” has created

When the 500 new jobs were announced, i’m pretty sure the 70 losses in Galway were also mentioned. But if a net 430 jobs are created by a private company, that would generally be framed in a positive manner, don’t you think?