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How did ratings agencies become so powerful? Trains and recessions, that’s how

In the aftermath of the debt downgrade, people are wondering how S&P and the likes became so powerful. Here’s the answer.

IT’S BEEN OVER a week now since Standard & Poor’s did the hitherto-unthinkable and decided to downgrade its rating of the United States of America, stripping it of its AAA rating for the first time in its history.

The ripples from that seismic event have been felt around the world – with markets around Earth all showing incredible volatility this week as stock prices went down, then up, then down, and then up again.

But one of the questions that’s been asked about the downgrade – including by many senior figures in the States, who are questioning the logic of the move, is how ratings agencies managed to manoeuvre themselves into such a domineering position in the first place.

It’s a fair question – if countries can live or die by the ratings of an agency (remember: 18 months ago, Ireland was an AAA country!) then it’s only right to ask how they became such a big deal in the first place.

The answer, it turns out, is all to do with the Transcontinental Railroad.

American broadcaster NPR has been doing some digging and learned that the ratings agencies only really came into existence in the latter half of the 19th century, when it was decided to expand railways from small, inter-city things to larger transnational projects.

At that time, if someone was putting up the money to build a railroad, they knew exactly who they were giving it to – they only lived one or two towns away. It would be feasible for a lender to go out and meet the railway’s constructor to check out whether the investment was a worthwhile one.

That all changed when railroads went trans-continental. Suddenly, investors were being asked to put up money for projects on the other side of the country – places they couldn’t physically visit to scope out in advance of an investment. They simply didn’t know the people they were giving money to.

That’s where Henry Poor came along. In 1860 he published a book containing nothing but the financial details of every railway and canal boat operator in the US – simplifying the process of figuring out which operators were worth investing in.

Poor’s company existed in a vacuum all of its own until 1906, when Luther Lee Blake set up his own Standard Statistics Bureau – which essentially covered everything that Poor’s didn’t, ranking everything from corn to timber.

In 1909 John Moody, brought out his own similar data on a broader range of goods, while in 1913 John Fitch set up shop right in the centre of New York City just as the stock markets began to emerge as a formal method of buying and selling ownership in a company.

In 1941, Standard and Poor’s merged to form… well, Standard & Poor’s, and that’s were the three major ratings agencies came from.

But how did they gain such a prominence? That’ll be the fault of the Great Depression in the 1930s- a move which caused the US government to act very much like our own government did in 2008, when it started taking a greater interest in the activity of the banking sector.

With banks suffering massive losses because of the number of companies going out of business – and because all of their collateral was now essentially worthless – the government introduced new rules on the nature of the assets banks could invest in.

Among those rules were the requirement that every prospective investment be vetted – and ranked by a ratings agency.

From then on, the ratings agencies flourished – and grew into the substantial behemoths that we know today.

Earlier: US markets watchdog investigating alleged insider trading at S&P >

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 2:20 PM

    So much for people who say why vote, my vote doesn’t count. You can see here that every vote does count

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 7:21 PM

    @Alan: Well, every 35 anyway.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 1:29 PM

    Hopefully he will stay in, last thing we need is another Liebour TD

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 2:37 PM

    This should mean PBP lose their speaking rights in the Dáil. Every cloud, eh readers?

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 3:38 PM

    @honey badger: Yawn. Bore off.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 4:57 PM

    @honey badger: I believe it does. It’s an awful shame Paul Murphy managed to scrape in. But at least we won’t have to listen to him as much

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 5:04 PM

    @Ian: Cheer up, Ian. I’m sure you can watch their previous episodes on oireactas tv!

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 5:06 PM

    @Ger Whelan: It is an awful shame! It’s a small but welcome consolation that their lack of electoral traction has muzzled them.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 6:52 PM

    @Ger Whelan:
    Pop up Paul is actualy useful.
    He sucks up the brain dead vote that would have gone to Sinn Fein.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 7:10 PM

    @honey badger: You don’t understand how speaking rights work. They will form a group of 7 with another small party or independents for the sake of speaking rights.

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    You’d have none of this nonsense if the media hadn’t campaigned against e-voting

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 2:27 PM

    @Tom O’ Donnell: In 2024 there’s definetly a case to be made for online voting.

    If our banks allow us to bank online and the taxman allows us to do our taxes online surely it’s not beyond the wit of man to figure out an online voting system.

    There would be issues with the old and infirm being able to access it but then again not having to make their way to a polling station would possible balance that out.

    The current system / circus is closer to the famine than autonomous cars and nuclear fusion.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 2:32 PM

    @Tom O’ Donnell:
    E voting in Brazil since 1996, population of 216 million, shows how backward we are in this country

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 2:34 PM

    @Tom O’ Donnell: The paper ballot is a permanent record, not vulnerable to hacking or whatever other online skullduggery can be dreamt up. A bulwark of democracy.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 3:48 PM

    @John Brennan: Or even just simple coding (programming) errors.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 5:49 PM

    @William Airey: I don’t think we need to learn anything about democracy from Brazil, thanks

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 3:33 PM

    Mick Barry is having a hard time accepting that Cork people do not want to be represented by a full-time whinger.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 5:26 PM

    @D Farrell: Typical he has been rejected shouting and balling is not political discourse

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 7:14 PM

    @D Farrell: Very poor representative, never anything to offer, just anti everything.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 7:33 PM

    @SV3tN8M4: oh the irony

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 1:44 PM

    A battle of the Commies.

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    @Dan Murphy: Isn’t that the truth. It’s a bit like choosing whether to get punched in the face or kicked in the crotch.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 4:54 PM

    @Dan Murphy: Or to more accurate: a battle of the dictionary-shy who don’t understand what a communist is.

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    @SerotoninWars:
    A communist is what you end up with after the socialists have finished wiping out the middleclasses.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 4:56 PM

    Mick hasn’t been seen or heard of around our constituency up until 3/4 weeks ago. Absolute bluffer of a man. His lackies do all his work. Change it up and give Maher a chance. Mick’s a waking sound bite (the rare time he pops up) like election time

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 7:15 PM

    @Alan Murphy: Spot on.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 8:49 PM

    @Alan Murphy: He got an easy in 2016 after labour were wiped out, Kathleen Lynch , had to look her up btw did so much for that area, including getting back paid SW for women who were discriminated against……I went school in the North Mon in the 70s so it’s a place that I genuinely love…….well done Labour Toddy is looking down happily

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 5:26 PM

    Getting in this late seems like an ‘I was the best of the worst’ badge of honneur.
    Way too many TDs in Ireland.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 8:45 PM

    @offside again: Feck off

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 3:38 PM

    Delighted for the young guy from Mallow even though the other Labour party candidate John Maher gave a lot of transfers to Mick Barry. City voters versus Mallow voters. Best of Luck to Eoin a budding politician since birth.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 8:51 PM

    @Tim Brennan: And whatabout Sarsfields beating Ballygunner…..that’s the real story…..wrong constituency but what the feck

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 1:30 PM

    Well our democracy allows for this so let it happen, if Labour prevails great as its a long time since there was a Labour TD in that constituency…..I think it was Toddy O O’Sullivan, although Democratic Left had that lady…..and they merged so maybe it’s not that long.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 7:15 PM

    Barry and Co have a real problem with the voters having elected people to govern those who choose the sideline are the real problem. You’re elected to govern in this Dail not the next one.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 3:05 PM

    Hello to all the lads blindly hoping Mick Barry loses his seat because some lad with a cameraphone told them he was a ‘communist’.

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 2:54 PM

    Mick has a smile that could light up Cork North Central

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    Dec 2nd 2024, 9:52 PM

    “Queer activists” no wonder the people rejected him

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