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LAST UPDATE | 14 May 2021
THE HSE IS grappling to continue healthcare services today after a “sophisticated” ransomware attack that the HSE chief executive called a “major incident” and the Irish Government called “possibly the most significant cyber attack on the Irish State”.
The HSE was made aware of the attack during the night, and has shut down all national and local IT systems in order to protect them from encryption by attackers.
Because computers are shut down as a precautionary measure, some health services today are affected: the extent of the disruption varies from each hospital and service.
The HSE has confirmed that a ransom has been sought but it will not be paid in line with State policy.
HSE CEO Paul Reid said it was “quite a sophisticated” attack, a “major incident” for the health service, and is a “human-operated” cyber attack. He said that information technology systems and data stored on central servers are being targeted.
Minister of State for Public Procurement and eGovernment Ossian Smyth told RTÉ’s News At One that the attack was not espionage, and that it was an international attack.
This is a very significant attack, possibly the most significant cyber attack on the Irish State.
He said that the motive is to encrypt private data, and threaten to publish the data if a ransom is not paid.
Speaking this evening, Taoiseach Micheál Martin said it would take “some days” to assess the impact of the cyber attack.
He was also clear that no ransom would be paid, and said that it would be dealt with in a “methodical way”.
Security sources have said that the most likely suspects for the attack are criminals who are ‘state actors’.
“This is an almost daily occurrence, and the HSE were targeted this time. In terms of cyber security the most difficult thing is that these hackers are state backed and are most likely from North Korea, Russia or China,” a cyber security source said.
HSE: Health services may not be back by Monday
Reminder to HSE staff: do not turn on your work PC or Laptop. If you have your PC or Laptop turned on, please power it off. pic.twitter.com/HUpLwUDbnc
— HSE Ireland (@HSELive) May 14, 2021
Equipment in intensive care units, and other ‘standalone’ infrastructure in hospitals, has not been affected by the attack. But computers used to monitor scans cannot be turned on, based on a cautionary approach; and lab test results could possibly be delayed.
“We are at the very early stages of fully understanding the threat, the impacts,” Reid said on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland before 8am. A list of health services that are and are not operating have been published this lunchtime.
“[For now] everyone should continue to come forward [for hospital appointments] until they hear something different from us, in terms of services impacted,” Reid said.
Speaking later to RTÉ’s Six One News, Reid said updates would be provided throughout the weekend for patients and service users as to what the situation would be on Monday.
“We’re assessing the impact across each our of national and local systems,” he said. “Before we can go to the recovery stage, we have to be sure that in bringing them up we’re not compromising them again.”
HSE Chief Operations Officer Anne O’Connor said that this was a ‘day zero’ attack, meaning that it is a new cyber virus that escaped past its virus defence system.
“We had no warning, we don’t know what it is… There is no previous known experience of this. The risk for us is that if we turn on a system, it would get in.”
Minister of State Smyth said that what was happening now, was cyber security teams aiding the HSE were going through the HSE network step-by-step, clearing it and reopening it. This would continue throughout the weekend and possibly beyond that.
Indications are that it’s “high impact but possibly low-transmissibility”, he said, and is targeting the core of the HSE system: backups and anything that controls user data.
One positive is that we’re heading into the weekend… if this has not been resolved by Monday, we will be in a very serious situation and we will be cancelling services.
O’Connor added that if that were to happen, it would be particularly tricky as “we don’t even know who to cancel on”, as they don’t have access at the moment to their IT system.
What health services are affected
Scheduled Covid-19 tests will go ahead as planned, the HSE said – but the GP and close contact test referral system is down, so walk-in centres may have to be used.
The Covid-19 vaccination programme has not been affected by the attack, and people should attend those appointments as normal.
Reid said this evening that the portal to register for the vaccine was taken down for a short period but access has been restored this evening for those aged 50-69 to register for their vaccine.
The child and family agency Tusla released a statement to say that its emails, internal systems, and the portal through which child protection referrals are made, are not operating.
Anyone who wants to make a referral about a child can do so by contacting the local Tusla office in their area; details of local offices are available here.
Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said that he and Reid are working to ensure that HSE systems and the information is protected.
“This is having a severe impact on our health and social care services today, but individual services and hospital groups are impacted in different ways. Emergency services continue, as does the National Ambulance Service.”
The list of services that are and are not affected by the cyber attack can be found here.
NPHET response
At this afternoon’s briefing of the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET), chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said that the issue is “impeding” the ability of the HSE to carry out its Covid-19 testing as normal.
He said that the “ability to efficiently arrange testing” is impeded by the cyber attack.
Dr Holohan urged people to still follow the “basic public health messaging” if a person has symptoms, such as self-isolating, even if they have to wait longer to receive a test and a result.
“I’m appealing to people not to be distracted by this,” he said.
“I don’t know when this is going to be resolved… People are working to rectify this as quickly as possible.”
Dr Holohan added that the HSE is putting in place arrangements for people to have access to testing, which includes walk-in centres.
He added that the issue had affected the Department of Health, also, as they’ve been unable to send or receive emails today.
Maternity hospitals
The Rotunda Maternity Hospital in Dublin has cancelled all non-urgent appointments and other hospitals are likely to be impacted.
Master of the Rotunda Hospital Professor Fergal Malone told Morning Ireland that logging into electronic healthcare records, and the ability to access patient demographics, is the issue.
A contingency plan has been put in place to revert back to the “old-fashioned” paper-based system, he said, but added that “throughput would be much slower” this way.
As you can imagine, when a new patient patient arrives at the front door of the hospital, traditionally you type in her name into a computer and get hold of her details – that can’t happen now, so we have to do that by hand and paper.
In a separate statement issued this morning, a Rotunda spokesperson said: “All appointment have been cancelled for today Friday 14th May. The only exception are for patients who are 36 weeks or over pregnant.
“Otherwise you are asked NOT to attend at the Rotunda unless it is an emergency. The Rotunda will issue updated information as soon as possible.”
In a statement this evening, the Rotunda said that if you are less than 36 weeks gestation, your appointment for Monday 17 and Tuesday 18 May is cancelled.
All outpatient appointments and inpatient elective surgeries are cancelled.
In terms of paediatric appointments, for babies older than two-weeks-old, their appointment for Monday or Tuesday is cancelled. “If you’re unsure if this affects you, please ring our helpline on 01 211 9351 to speak to a midwife or doctor,” the hospital said.
The National Maternity Hospital at Holles Street said that there will be “significant disruption” to its services today as a result.
“If you have an appointment/need to come to the hospital, please come as normal. We ask that you please bear with us,” it said.
The National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) and Gardaí are working with the HSE on the issue. The NCSC is also liaising with the EU and other international agencies.
With reporting from Órla Ryan, Niall O’Connor, Hayley Halpin and Sean Murray.
“Love Trumps Hate” chants the baying mob as they loot stores, burn flags, destroy property and assault political opponents.
@Eddie Simon: Your mind back to the scenes in New Orleans after Katrina where order broke down after just 3 days. Compare this to other disasters where people behave with courage and dignity, Mr Trump has his work cut out with the Obamaphone legacy left by his predecessor and which would certainly have become a lot worse under Clinton
@MackPilon: Cast your mind etc…….
@Eddie Simon: Billionaire Globalist Soros Exposed as Hidden Hand Behind Trump Protests — Provoking US ‘Color Revolution’
Washington, D.C. – Billionaire globalist financier George Soros’ MoveOn.org has been revealed to be a driving force behind the organizing of nationwide protests against the election of Donald Trump — exposing the protests to largely be an organized, top-down operation — and not an organic movement of concerned Americans taking to the streets as reported by the mainstream media.
Wednesday saw protests in the streets of at least 10 major U.S. cities. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, D.C., Portland, Ore., St. Paul, Minn., Seattle, and several other cities saw protests, according to USA Today.
In light of the protests and rioting that have transpired since the election of Trump, a closer analysis of the dynamic at play is warranted to gauge whether it’s an organic grassroots movement, or something much more organized, sophisticated and potentially dangerous.
Soros’ affiliated organization MoveOn.org released the following press release yesterday afternoon:
Read more at: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/soros-trump-protests-revolution/#j8YRDxRoRz8SQVM8.99
@Pat O’Dwyer: George Soros: ‘I Am A God, I Created Everything, I Control America And Hillary Clinton’
George Soros claims he is a god and “the creator of everything,” however the billionaire globalist also warns he is a “self-centred” god who believes “normal rules do not apply” to him.
“I fancied myself as some kind of god …” he wrote. “If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.“ When asked by Britain’s Independent newspaper to elaborate on that statement, Soros doubled down: “It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of god, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.“
http://americantoday.news/george-soros-i-am-a-god-i-created-everything-i-control-america-and-hillary-clinton/
How George Soros Singlehandedly Created The European Refugee Crisis – And Why
“Soros’s agenda is fundamentally about the destruction of national borders. This has recently been shown very clearly with his funding of the European refugee crisis.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-singlehandedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why
“Love Trumps Hate” is a smokescreen for liberals to not only incite anarchy, but to also full on riot .
@Eddie Simon:
As usual TheJournal and all other Irish mainstream media pushing the multicult propaganda with no reports on the violence against Trump voters both before the election and now after
THE TRUE FACE OF OPEN-BORDER EXTREMISTS POSING AS ANGEL “HUMANITARIANS”
Hillary Voters Attack Homeless Black Woman For Supporting Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJV41gS2c8M
The hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds. Take any social topic, look at their opinions and you’ll find a high level of hypocrisy across the board, no real understanding of the core issues, no credible reasoning just shut downs and violence if things don’t go their way, it’s the equivalent of a petulant child sticking it’s fingers in it’s ears and screaming lalalala I can’t hear you when it doesn’t get its own way. No one is discussing why Trump won and how to change such an outcome in the future, no, just brain dead morons rioting because they ‘feel’ that he is bad. I don’t particularly like the man either, in fact I think he’s quite the slimball but he was democratically elected, if you don’t like him just wait for the next election, it’s f*cking not rocket science.
What does Katrina have to do with Obama?
Surprise surprise,a Trump supporter shooting at protestors. This is what happens when right-wing NRA gun nuts get into power.
@Eddie Simon:
George Soros, billionaire funder of Hillary Clinton is paying rabble-rousers to incite riots, looting, destruction of property, and violence not only in America, but around the world.
The liberal media also has a great deal to answer for, – whipping up anti-Trump rhetoric at every opportunity, and hardly a word against Hillary.
He needs to be arrested & jailed, along with his co-conspirators, who are hell-bent on the destruction of western civilization…
They are throwing every bit of dirt that they can at Trump in the hope that some of it might stick.
Trump is no Angel, but he is a boyscout compared to the people who out to get him.
God forbid he is assassinated, – but if he is, it will be painfully obvious who paid the hitman.
Charles ‘no evidence for wild claims’ Martel everyone,check out his new comedy tour which begins next month.
@Charles Martel:
Well said, it basically describes what the multicult establishment are doing and how they operate.
Open-Border Extremists vs People of the West
@Tariq ibn Ziyad: African looking shooter. Maybe American, maybe not. No mention of Trump supporter, your imagination added that part.
People need to get over it. Their candidate lost in a democratic process. This is not the way to react. Cop on and move on. Let him get in with it and actually show up and vote in the midterms, that’s how you effect change
Spot on. Democracy must be upheld even when you disagree with it. Saying he’s not your President says you don’t support democracy
While I don’t agree with the protests democracy ain’t all that, sure wasnt Hitler elected.
Hitler was not elected, he was appointed
A new Hitler could never appear in the US. Far too many armed citizens and a military full of democracy loving soldiers. One of the first things Hitler did when he came to power was target civilian gun ownership for that reason.
@Jason Culligan:
Actually Hitler did not take the guns from the populace
On RamZPaul site he has copies of the gun control laws:
“Like so many things about National Socialist Germany, this was a lie – an inversion of truth. In reality strict German gun control was passed in 1928 under a leftist government. The National Socialists were not in power at that time. Hitler was elected in 1933. Five years later in 1938, the National Socialists relaxed the gun control laws. Under Hitler, all Germans (including Jews) were allowed to own rifles. Handguns were also available with a permit. The only class of people excluded from gun ownership were the vagabonds and gypsies.”
http://www.ramzpaul.com/2015/10/ben-carson-repeats-german-gun-control.html
@Dick: Democracy is a terrible system, but it’s also the best system that we’ve tried so far.
Again, Hitler was not elected, he lost the election in 1932 and was appointed Chancellor in 1933. He then began consolidating power. There was a vote on whether or not to merge the chancellorship and presidency in 1934 while Hitler was rounding up and executing opponents that vote passed by 90% so at that point he became president and Chancellor but nobody actually voted specifically for him to be in that position.
Dave hats off a very mature response to your candidates electoral schlonging, if only more Clintonista’s were as magnanimous in defeat.
@Eddie Simon:
“No candidate in the March 13 election received an outright majority, although 30 percent voted for Hitler, and 13 percent for the Communist Party leader. This set off a new round of feverish campaigning for the April 10 run-off election, in which von Hindenburg garnered 53 percent of the votes, thereby remaining President. Hitler increased his share of votes, gaining 37 percent of the total.”
In the fiercely contested Reichstag election of July 31, in which 84 percent of eligible voters cast ballots, the National Socialists emerged as the largest party, by far, with 37 percent of the total. In second place came the Social Democrats, with 22 percent, followed by the Communist Party with 15 percent. In the hard-fought November 6 Reichstag election, the National Socialists once again came out as Germany’s most popular party, with 33 percent of the total. The Social Democrats trailed in second place with 20 percent, followed by the Communists with 17 percent.”
http://www.ihr.org/other/July1932Speech
“Hitler’s party, having won 17,300,000 votes in the elections of March 5, 1933, for the new Reichstag, held a total of 288 seats – making it by far the largest single party. His conservative ally in the temporary partnership, Hugenberg’s German National People’s Party (DNVP), had captured 4,750,000 votes and held another 52 seats, giving the coalition a total of 340 deputies.
…When it came time to vote, Hitler was granted plenary powers with a sweeping majority of 441 votes to 94: he had won not just two thirds, but 82.44 percent of the assembly’s votes. This “Enabling Act” granted Hitler for four years virtually absolute authority over the legislative as well as the executive affairs of the government.”
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p299_degrelle.html
It’s a bit difficult to take any election after the reichstag fire as legitimate. Opponents of Hitler were being rounded up and executed. Hardly a free vote. Also Hitler wasn’t on the ballot
@Dave O Keeffe:
Reichstag fire started by communist. Can you provide link to opponents of Hitler being rounded up and executed, what I read was that bolsheviks, just like the Clinton voters and marxists down through history were the instigators of bully tactics and violence preventing people who opposed them from gathering and holding speeches, thus a fight-back occurred in which the opponents to the bully thug marxists defended themselves, which is why the brownshirts came into existence, to defend their meetings. The bolsheviks were later detained and held for violent offences much like the clinton tyrannical anti free speechers.
You realise Hitler was ready Chancellor at this point yeah? The cause of the fire has never been fully determined but the communist angle allowed Hitler to consolidate power. Are you saying Hitler’s opponents weren’t rounded up and executed?
Elected members of the communist party in the Reichstag were arrested and sent to to concentration camps in 1933 after the suspension of civil liberties which was possible because of the Reichstag fire.
@Dave O Keeffe:
The cause of the fire was determined.
“Historians, writing about Nazi Germany, did not look closely at the events of that night. They took the central fact for granted: Nazis set fire to the Reichstag, and there was an end of it. Most historians are less sure how the NAzis did it. They used some equivocal phrase: ‘we do not know exactly what happened’; the details are still to be revealed. Much evidence was in fact available: police reports, fire inspectors reports, large excerpts from the proceedings of the High court at Leipzig, kept by Dr. Sack, Togler’s counsel. ” A.J.P Taylor
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/pdf_books/reichstag_fire.pdf
Can you provide a proof electoral opponents were executed during that election phase?
Nazi party members were getting pardoned for murdering opponents. They were found guilty, sentenced to death, had it commuted to hard labour and then were released after a few months.
@Dave O Keeffe:
Firstly the NSDAP grew in power on the back of legitimate elections. Hitler and others were then in a position to vie for the Chancellorship. Which like most cabinet positions in democratic parliaments is then dealed for once the democratic mandate is there to be at that level in the first place, which the Nazis got. You may not like it, but that is a fact, they had the highest support as a party in the country.
the communists were going around like the Clinton neo-marxist Open-Border Extremists are, rioting and threatening anyone who disagreed with them, with violence, are you saying such people who are violent thugs and wish to get power and control of a country and its people through bullying should not be locked up?
@Dave O Keeffe:
You are talking about communists being detained and then incorrectly saying they were executed during Hitler’s rise to Chancellorship, this is more far-left lies.
“the far Left and their socialist party allies waged a campaign of violence, terrorism, armed uprising, forgery, subversion, and espionage from 1918 to 1933.
It was the Left’s violent attacks on ordinary Germans which forced the Nazis to develop their self-defense units, the Brownshirts (S.A.)—who are nowadays quite falsely portrayed as the aggressors.
the Communist conspiracy to create a 1918-style Bolshevik Revolution in Germany was very far advanced.
Arms had been stockpiled in secret underground armories in the Communist Party headquarters. Bombings, assassinations, and a planned list of murders and street violence were already underway when the Reichstag arson—also now commonly falsely attributed to the Nazis—took place as part of their plan to create a Soviet Germany”
http://ostarapublications.com/communism-in-germany-the-truth-about-the-communist-conspiracy-on-the-eve-of-the-national-revolution/
The arrest and detention of communist violent subversives (just like the Clinton Open-Border extremists of today) was quite right and necessary for safety of German nation
So you’re saying we need another Hitler?
@Dave O Keeffe:
Is that what I said. this is the problem with Open-Border extremists, they assume and then twist what is said. Maybe I am completely against Hitler, I don’t see what that has to do with making sure facts are presented rather than populist rumour and lies, especially when a victorious side has used their victory to cause misery around the world for 70 years since.
A protest against democracy
Where are Obama and Clinton? Once they gave their initial statements about a peaceful transition they’ve kept awfully quiet, especially with regard to the riots that have taken place. They are happy to incite all this fear and then leave communities to be destroyed by the rioting of these thugs. Although it doesn’t come as a great surprise as he has been happy to do so for the past 8 years. Can’t wait until Trump assumes office and starts bringing back law and order.
Hillary needs to come out and have some press conference…and Obama too…
Obama and Clinton are students of Saul Alinsky, have no doubt that they know the key players involved in this revolt and indeed may well be pulling the strings themselves.
@The Girl: I think that would help. A speech from either of them would calm some number down.
@Robert Burke:
they did the same when Black Lives Matter were butchering police, they said nothing to unequivocally condemn the attacks, instead their equivocation was a signal that is was ok. These far-leftists politicians are Open-Border Extremists they are filled with hate for western people.
@stevenocarroll: Would you ever stfu with your Open-Border-Extremists ..
@Francis Mc Carthy:
firstly it isn’t mine, got from some other commenter I read using the term, can’t remember where now, probably on Journal
Secondly….NO won’t stfu
Thirdly, glad to pi$$ off another Open-Border Extremist who wants to silence and shut down the right of people who have different opinion to them to express their opinion.
@stevenocarroll: You’ve been going on a long time with that particular saying, Elaine/Bingo/EireWarning etc ..Yawn.
@Francis Mc Carthy:
Ok yes I am everyone. Paranoid much?
@stevenocarroll: At least you didn’t deny that you weren’t any of the names that I provided -good lass.I will call you that as one of your first accounts on here was- Elaine Fogarty ..
I won’t bother me arse with naming the rest of the ones that were banned-even though I enjoyed your rant about being banned by the journal on your ‘Eire Calling’ twitter page-that was a hilarious meltdown.(Hopefully the paranoia meds helped you out -oh wait)
Ironic that the Hillary campaign suggested this might happen….after She won the election. ……
@gregory/ I think it would happen either way. This vote had a lot to do with who they didn’t want as president. The votes were based to a large extent on a rejection of perceived corruption or a rejection of perceived bigotry.
Are Americans rejecting the result of a democratic process???? Are these people not accepting the result? I don’t understand
They are no different from other so called 3rd world countries now, are they? The harsh reality. From the start to now of this election process in America is like watching a documentary in Africa or south America.
The forces of fascism have been released in the land of hope and freedom.
Democrats need to reign them back in before the country descends into anarchy.
The silence from Obama is deafening.
As usual.
Wow blaming Obama who has asked people to get behind the democratically elected leader rather than the one who is racist, xenophobic and sexist? Post truth politics. I don’t agree with the protests. He won and it’s not going to change a thing. They should have voted.
He’s doing a Pontius Pilate on the unfolding crisis.
If he’s not careful his presidency will play out like Jimmy Carter.
@Frederick Burden:
It is not fascism which violated western freedoms, no, that was done in the name of democracy.
The forces of marxist collectivism are the forces of violent tyranny against the individual.
THE MINDS OF THE OPEN-BORDER EXTREMISTS THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED GROW AND FESTER AMONGST THE FREE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk
@Deborah Behan:
It was Obama who incited hate against white people with the Black Lives Matter movement not condemning them and quite equivocal about muslim attacks on innocent western people. I take it you are another Open-Border Extremist who thinks lying to get your way (by hook or crook) is no problem. That is how marxism works, their idea of morality is not moral, they will use anything, any tactic to get their policies passed.
Frederick the weasel like Obama is probably enjoying the mass rioting and unrest. It was as a “community organiser” where he cut his teeth.
I agree. This could degenerate into serious unrest. Too many guns in America.
@The Girl:
Never enough guns. If any of these Open-Border Extremists paid for and backed by billionaire George Soros starts violence against more Trump supporters and general countrywide subversion etc, they will be defeated very fast and violently by an armed nationalist populace, end of multicult supporting subversives.
They can’t do nothing to revert the decision. So why not just let Trump get on with it and we may all be surprised yet again.
@The Viking: They could go and shout at the people who have created the society that they hate, those guys are still in office right now.
@The Viking: The Democrats have turned into a completely pathetic laughing stock. There are pictures going out across the world of the Clinton campaign employess receiving visits from ‘sympathy dogs’ to deal with the trauma, Clinton supporters on campus receiving ‘free hugs’ and other students staging ‘cry ins’ to protest against Trump.
This is what your moddycoddling liberal campus culture of identity politics, trigger warnings, and safe spaces has led to. Pathetic adults unable to cope with the harsh realities of life.
@Gordian Knot:
this is what muslims who wished to conquer the modern west saw…..sheep ripe for culling, they were licking their lips, this is how they still see Europe.
They don’t seem to have any focal point, it’s almost like they’re mimicking the civil rights protests.
Cute and pathetic all at the same time, a generation of snug pretenders slapped with cold reality.
They’ll be gone with the first sign of frost.
I’d also like to take this opportunity to appeal to feminists to tone down the incendiary rhetoric.
Look on the bright side:
The Donald’s momentous victory was orchestrated by a woman, Kellyanne Conway, surely the preeminent female voice in America right now.
America would want to be careful here.They have a population armed to the teeth and 60 million Trump supporters who are going to get very pissed off.
It’s not Trump supporters that are rioting. Also there’s another 180 million adults that aren’t Trump supporters who also have guns.
@Dave
Ah,I’m aware of that.My point was it’s now a very divided country that armed to the teeth.What can go wrong.
@Padraig: Actually 78% of the population don’t own any gun. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/19/just-three-percent-of-adults-own-half-of-americas-guns/
There is a common misconception that every American is running around waving a 9mm or an AR15 but in fact the majority of guns are held by gun enthusiasts, hunters and for self defence.
Do these hemp wearing, safe space occupying snowflakes really want a confrontation with Donald Trump supporting “second amendment people”? I’d pay to see that purge.
Brian there are enough guns in America to arm every man woman and child
@Dave O Keeffe: That may be so Dave but like I just pointed out it doesn’t mean that every man, woman and child owns a gun now does it? You’d swear from the media hype that everyone in the US is walking around with a gun strapped to them but that is far from the truth. In rural areas it wouldn’t be uncommon for someone to own 2 or more guns depending on what they are using them for.
Brian, your 78% includes children, at least mine were based on people that could actually own guns. It’s very strange to me when people try to play down the gun culture in America.
Padraig, sorry, I misread your comment
@Dave O Keeffe: Dave I don’t know whether you even bothered to read my link because if you did you would have seen that it relates to 78% of adults and I would have thought that it would be obvious to most people that when talking about gun ownership it would relate to people who are allowed to own them. You were the one who brought in children to the mix which is a bit strange seeing as how children aren’t allowed to own or posses guns in the first place and the link clearly states that the survey is about adults.
Of course it does make make for a better sensationalist headline for people who try and play up the gun culture in America.
My guess is th a good proportion of legally owned US guns are not to hand but hoarded on private land by survivalist obsessives. Probably why they have to yell at other people to ‘toughen up’.They’re afraid they’ll be attacked for their food, unless everyone does the prep exercises too ;-)
@Dave O Keeffe:
Included in the Trump supporters who own guns and who outclass the anti-Trumps who own guns, are the military, both past members and present. Trump gun owners in any war with Clinton criminals, gang members and few leftists loons who own guns, would be slaughtered if it came to it.
Oh and you have another 30,000 Blackwater operatives, who would also side with Trump seeing as it has come out they are nationalists and have been secretly fighting against pedo rings around the world and freeing women and child sex slaves.
Brian, you said 78% of the population, the population is everyone not just adults. Steven, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I have repeatedly condemned these riots and merely pointed out that the people that actively didn’t support a Trump presidency are only about 25% of the adult population
These people set themselves up for failure, the country had gone that far to the left people were forced to lie about who they were voting for, beggars belief!
These groups are George Soros backed left wing agitators. For oligarchs like Soros whose primary goal is the bankruptcy of the Westphalian nation state, this election is a a mere stumbling block.
Read over the summer that if his side lost Soros would try to have martial law instated. Signs are being pre-made and given to protestors who are being bussed to the events by one of his groups, MoveOn.org. The signs even have the same fonts as those used by paid protesters in Chicago and in the Black Lives Matter riots he’s funded.
I don’t expect this to work though. Soros is dangerous and influential, but he’s not all-powerful.
@Ewan Euphrenza: Soros ‘ ‘hidden agenda has been exposed by Wikileaks who’ve done a great service to humanity.
By the way anybody interested should research the trail of bodies that follow the Clintons over the course of their political life. They well and truly earned the moniker of ‘the Clinton crime family’.
@Gordian Knot: They are recruiting, lots of money at Soros disposal http://imgur.com/MiG87BF
@Ewan Euphrenza : Cool story.
Any credible link to your claim that Soros funded the Black Lives Matter riots ?
And after all these protests, the election result is the same
Knackers
Where’s Clinton,she should be out calling for them to stop,unless this is what she wants.
‘Democrats’!
What a sh*tstorm. I’d reckon many of the protesters were outraged when Trump said he wouldn’t accept the result of the election if he lost. On a brighter note, had Clinton won, Trump convincing his supporters that the whole process was rigged may well have resulted in much larger protests, probably with a lot more guns knocking around.
One Shinner clown suggested that the protests would have been larger if Clinton had won. The stupidity of the Shinner is without parallel.
People are over-reacting. Trump will be a one-term president. He’ll also lose control of the House and Senate in 2018, rendering him a lame duck. That gives him two years to get all his promises through, which is not much time
I actually think they’ll keep control in 2018. He’ll lose some of his base supporters but gain some that will have seen the nightmare they anticipated not materialise.
@Dave O Keeffe:
All that needs to happen is for turnout to return to 2012 levels, and Democrats win easily by about 5 percentage points. Trump won this time because the Obama millennials and others did not turn out for Hillary.
What else happens in this future you seem sure of? Do I finally win the lottery?
If the Democrats couldn’t mobilise turnout against a man they painted as the devil incarnate, how are they going to do it after four years of him not lynching brown skinned people and raping random interns?
@Fred historically Democrats perform very poorly in midterm elections.
You have to enjoy the supporters of a man who claimed he wouldn’t accept the result of the election if he lost as the system was rigged now adopting the high moral ground claiming that supporters need to accept the very same outcome Trump as on record as saying he would not accept! The “troll party” in all but name, the only consistency is attempting to annoy and stifle the progress of society.
This ending in a bloodbath and civil war would only delight them further.
@Rochelle: Would you accept the results between a cheating villain and an idiotic anti-hero? Depends who wins, right? Even if the race is designed in a stupid way (electoral vote system).
Good morning Mr President :) The reaction by the losers on the left is comedy gold, I’d say people at the journal are sick aswell, suck it up four years can go quick enough unless it turns into 8 :) You can’t stump the trump baby
The regressive left needs to be called out. The blm &other paid snowflake protesters are self entitled $cum conditioned to be this way. https://t.co/XPM2WjQlBo
They need to be shamed and called out. However many politicans and public figures would rather appear popular and condone this kind of crap.
Like him or hate him Trump is where he is, no amount of crying, whinging and throwing tantrums will change that, Bill Burr nailed this situation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAjLTowhVVs
Can’t believe all this rioting is the media’s fault. Oh and George Soros also. Who would have guessed. Everything must still be “rigged”.
UNCONFIRMED: Craigslist ads supposedly offering $1,500 a week per protester for these peaceful events.
https://twitter.com/xBenJamminx/status/797462195869249536?s=09
Trump won the election. Get over it. These people claim to hold democracy so dear. Or is it only when things go their way.
Was it not the same back in 2008 when Obama got elected after eight years of George W Bush. Protests against Obama and people considering immigration because of fears what would happen under a African americian president. Trump win has saved the Republican Party from implosion, there control of the house and senate gives them the power to rule while trump plays at being president. His own party may find themselves siding with the democrats if trump becomes to much of a loose cannon. Neither side it seems can loose with dignity the loosing side was destined to come out protesting. Crazy sells newspapers and the media has enough on trump commitments to stir the melting pot of public option until it boils over. Talks now of California becoming an independant state is just how far fear and uncertainly drive people to dispair. Trump has gone bankrupt four times each time working people have taken the pain, the fifth time may not be all his own fault but his first decision is to undermine America tax policy’s. Saving the top .01% in real terms 1.66 million per year in tax. But if these people are like trump none of them ever paid tax to start with.
No
As I recall, some congressman made a comment that the number one priority was to win the next election. That was apparently anti democratic and reactionary and obstructive and everything afterwards was his fault, according to the people who are now protesting that their candidate lost.
The gun lobby often claim the right to bear arms is essential so that citizens can defend against a government that over-reaches. It’s very thoughtful of the protesters to give fair warning. It’ll keep the Donald in line and they should thank the gun lobby for promoting the idea of violent resistance. But no need to get over excited on either side: the Donald is back tracking so fast he’ll soon have The Bern in his administration. Trump is a born and bred New York liberal after all. Fooled yis big time. Tremendous morons. The greatest gullible fools. I tell ya – Donald is the king. Bigly.
To Gitmo with them
Who got shot? Oh it’s ‘that’ man.
They don’t accept the democratic system if their Roman dosent get in they riot
He is going to treat all slaves the same including any his bitches .they all need a hand s on approach
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