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Denying adopted people access to their birth certs 'could re-traumatise them'

Survivors of Mother and Baby Homes have said “the right to truth is key”, an Oireachtas Committee heard today.

DENYING ADOPTED PEOPLE and survivors of Mother and Baby Homes, particularly older survivors, access to their birth certificates and other personal information could re-traumatise them, the Oireachtas Children’s Committee has heard.

Sinéad Gibney, Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC), today told the committee that survivors have told her “the right to truth is key”.

“Free and unfettered access to their own personal information and records is essential for survivors. To deny this could initself be re-traumatising, particularly for older survivors, and so the burden on you as legislators to shape this pivotal law effectively is a heavy one,” Gibney said.

The Joint Committee on Children, Disability, Equality, Integration and Youth is today continuing its pre-legislative scrutiny of the General Scheme of the Birth Information and Tracing Bill 2021.

Children’s Minister Roderic O’Gorman has described the legislation as “groundbreaking”.

The purpose of the Bill is to enshrine into law a right to access birth certificates, birth and early life information for people who have questions in relation to their origins, and also all people who were adopted, boarded out, the subject of an illegal birth and others with questions in relation to their identity.

The legislation also proposes the establishment of a comprehensive Tracing Service and a statutory Contact Preference Register to support people wishing to make contact or share information.

The Bill will undergo pre-legislative scrutiny in the coming months before an Oireachtas vote.

Speaking to TDs and senators today, Gibney said the State’s approach should “recognise that while this legislation must vindicate rights to truth denied to so many for so long, there is a corollary that there are birth mothers who have been living under a cloud, as inquiries, debates and now legislation happens, fearful that undisclosed information would be revealed”.

She added: “So it is important to be mindful of all.”

Gibney stated that the provision of birth certs or early life information “is by definition the vindication of the right to identity, personality and the right to private and family life for adopted people”.

“People seeking access to the records at the centre of this bill have already suffered delays, often of many years, and so this legislation should mark a sea-change in approach.”

She said the IHREC recommends that statutory timeframes for compliance with information requests should be set out.

Gibney said the proposed requirement for an information session with the person seeking information where there is a no-contact preference from the parent “appears to cater to the privacy rights of natural parents”.

“However, it’s questionable the extent to which this requirement achieves this aim, as the information will ultimately be provided and the theoretical contact will be possible once the information session is held.

“We believe that this requirement would present a further obstacle to affected persons in accessing long-sought information, and where the relevant person does not want to undergo an information session it represents a complete barrier.”

The IHREC is recommending that this requirement be removed from the legislation. Or if retained, it should be “transformed into no-obligation counselling, support and information services, tailored to the needs and wishes of the individual”.

GDPR

Speaking earlier today, Dale Sunderland, Deputy Commissioner at the Data Protection Commission (DPC), noted that “the broad intention” of the draft legislation is to provide so-called “relevant persons” aged 16 or over with access to a range of records and information including their birth certificate, early life information, care information, and medical information.

Sunderland noted that in 1998 the Irish Supreme Court ruled that neither a person’s right to know about your origins or a person’s right to privacy, both constitutional rights, were absolute and that “each might be constrained by the weight of the other, as well as the weight of the common good”.

“This has resulted in a position where agencies in Ireland tasked with providing access to birth and early life information of adopted persons have had to do their best case-by-case to balance the competing rights in the cases on-hand,” Sunderland said.

He said the DPC wants the Oireachtas to clearly articulate that the proposed policy position to be adopted in favour of providing birth certificates to relevant people over 16 “without any process allowing for objection – for example, on grounds that it would seriously harm them – by a birth parent”.

“Given that the previous iteration of this Bill outlined such a process, it is important that there is clarity around the policy change and why the balancing of rights in these sensitive situations is now deemed to have changed in favour of an absolute right to identity data.

“To be clear, the DPC does not advocate for either position – rather we simply point out that data protection and privacy issues arise and the State must be able to articulate how it has come to the policy position and what considerations underpin the balancing of rights presented in the Bill.”

In terms of balancing rights, Sunderland noted that Article 15 of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) – the right of access to personal data – is “not absolute”.

“Article 15.4 states that the right to obtain a copy of personal data shall not adversely affect the rights and freedoms of others. This underlines the need for the Oireachtas to be clear in the context of the Bill as to how the rights and freedoms of the birth mother are not adversely affected to the extent they would restrict the right of access.”

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    Mute Sophie
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:34 PM

    “He has not offended since” maybe because he was caught and was probably being monitored??

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    Mute John Sheahan
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:36 PM

    One year he’ll be out. Judge Nolan strikes again.

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    Mute Paul Gorry
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:57 PM

    And to this day Paul begley is still taking therapy for being locked up by judge nolan for Importing garlic instead of apples. Even though he paid the revenue what was owed. Journal change headline to mature student.

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    Mute Tommy Roche
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 11:29 PM

    @Paul Gorry: Simplistic boIIox. He wasn’t jailed for importing garlic instead of apples. He was jailed for committing a multimillion euro fraud on the citizens/taxpayers of this State. If he couldn’t hack the punishment for his crime, that’s on him.

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    Mute Stephen Boland
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    Mar 24th 2021, 12:24 AM

    @Tommy Roche: still got more time than this lad… and he employed people… bottom line is, don’t f*ck with the state’s money… if you do there will be no suspended sentence, anything else is fair game

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    Mute Mary Nugent
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    Mar 24th 2021, 1:43 AM

    @Paul Gorry: yeah so true. Sgt. Martin Nolan old scores for someone.

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    Mute Ger
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    Mar 24th 2021, 5:16 AM

    @Stephen Boland: he didnt get more time than this lad. He appealed his sentence and it was drastically reduced.

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    Mute EillieEs
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    Mar 24th 2021, 12:40 PM

    @Paul Gorry: he’s in therapy eight years after his release? At least his company is making €4K in profits weekly so he can well afford to pay for it.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:12 PM

    if this had happened in his own country it would be off with his king ding a ling and probably his head. Here we give him a year tops, probably out in 6 months and no deportation. We have enough numptys of our own without letting this one stay. And can someone in government please for the love of Christ remove this excuse for a judge, Martin Nolan, from his post. The man is unfit for the role.

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    Mute Barry Somers
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    Mar 24th 2021, 3:18 AM

    @Alan Clarke: so your suggestion is to murder people?

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    Mute Ger
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    Mar 24th 2021, 5:20 AM

    @Alan Clarke: he was given 16 months, he’ll get 25% remission which is 4 months off, so he’ll serve 12. Believe it or not that’s actually a decent sentence for this offence here. More often than not they get suspended sentences for first offences when distribution wasn’t involved.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:34 PM

    Deport him as soon as he’s out

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    Mute paddy mulcahy
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    Mar 24th 2021, 5:58 AM

    @Raymond Kelly: deport him first i’d say!

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    Mute James Joseph
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    Mar 24th 2021, 6:18 PM

    @paddy mulcahy:
    “Deport him first”
    In other words reward him for his crime with a free plane ticket home??
    That is assuming that he is not Irish.

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    Mute Ruby
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:32 PM

    Why is he allowed stay here? I’m confused as to why he wouldn’t be kicked out to be honest?

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    Mute Ger
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    Mar 24th 2021, 5:20 AM

    @Ruby: let him serve his sentence then kick him out

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    Mute brendan o connell
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:26 PM

    No jail time deport back immediately and let the authories in his country know of antics. I bet he would rather do jail here.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:31 PM

    @brendan o connell: ah shur all lives matter ya ya ya

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 11:52 PM

    @brendan o connell: we won’t do that because he could face the death penalty in Saudi ..we don’t like doing that… unless of course it’s the USA that asks us …

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    Mar 24th 2021, 5:27 AM

    @Terry Cahill: actually I’d be surprised if there are laws relating to accessing illegal material online in Saudi Arabia. There aren’t in many gulf countries.

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    Mute The Kev in Kevlar
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:25 PM

    Oh Nolan was judge? No surprise there. That lad needs to be removed and investigated. The lad that did this, who’s name reads like a chemical? Chemical castration.

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    Mute EillieEs
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    Mar 24th 2021, 1:00 PM

    @The Kev in Kevlar: he was investigated, it’s what led to his being charged and sentenced.

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    Mute Dan the man
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:43 PM

    This shouldn’t be tolerated in any way and it’s justice served that he was convicted. However, I’d be very interested to know how he was caught. Do the Gardai conduct random searches of people’s search history from certain keywords. Surely GDPR rules prevent the monitoring of people’s search history?

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    Mute Kevin Feeney
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:47 PM

    @Dan the man: if you read carefully, the Germans told the Gardaí

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:50 PM

    @Kevin Feeney: yes I can read. How was Interpol aware of what some lad was searching for from an Irish IP address?

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:51 PM

    @Dan the man: Think it says it in the article mate. German police alerted Interpol who in turn alerted Gardai. I imagine (and hope) there are state organisations searching out these websites and servers and then monitoring people that access them.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:53 PM

    @Ciaran Brady: it doesn’t mate. No mention of how the German’s were randomly looking at the search history of an Irish computer

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:55 PM

    @Dan the man: the IP address identifies the source computer as based in Ireland.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 9:57 PM

    @Geraldine D’Arcy: well done

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    Mute Ciaran Brady
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:01 PM

    @Dan the man: I was referring to how he was caught. Germans informed Interpol who then informed Gardai. The second part of my post is my opinion.
    I think we can be sure that German police weren’t looking at random search histories however.
    I’m no IT expert but surely it was a site or sites being monitored in order to capture the IP addresses of people accessing. Again, thats just my guess/opinion.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:17 PM

    @Dan the man: looking for a way to.covwr your tracks?

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    Mute Mary O'Carroll
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    Mar 23rd 2021, 10:54 PM

    @Dan the man: They were probably monitoring German citizens’ activities on particular sites and came across lots of IP addresses in other EU member states and notified the other police forces…..that or they are actively tracking these perverted sites with a view to closing them down.

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 11:01 PM

    @Dan the man: Sounds like you could be in bother Danno, ya nonce !

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 11:22 PM

    @Dan the man: You’re very interested in finding out how to avoid getting caught, aren’t you?

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    Mar 23rd 2021, 11:45 PM

    @Dan the man: Data protection is irrelevant in investigations of this, terrorist and organised crime related natures.

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    Mar 24th 2021, 5:25 AM

    @Dan the man: police monitor places where sex abuse images are posted both on the normal Web and dark Web. Don’t worry their not going to be getting access to your browsing history from virgin media.

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    Mute EillieEs
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    Mar 24th 2021, 1:03 PM

    @Dan the man: being so concerned with how exactly he was caught is not a good look.

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    Mute Colm Lawlor
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    Mar 24th 2021, 12:02 PM

    what happened. judge nolan actually sent him to jail. not like him. even with a small sentence

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