We need your help now
Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.
You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.
If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.
Sign in. It’s quick, free and it’s up to you.
An account is an optional way to support the work we do. Find out more.
By continuing, you are indicating that you accept our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.
IRISH AND UK authorities are about to step up their cooperation and intelligence sharing to an “unprecedented” level, amid fears over jihadist militants arriving into both countries from the Middle East.
The Department of Justice said today that Irish and British immigration authorities were finalising a new passenger watch list to share and cross-check fingerprints and other information, in response to recent violence in Syria and Iraq.
The phenomenon of individuals travelling from all over Europe to the fighting in the Middle East has been an issue of concern to the majority of European States and others internationally.
There is obviously serious concern over the radicalisation and security risks some individuals may pose on returning to their home countries.
In light of that, unprecedented new measures are on the way, the department said, confirming a report in today’s Irish Independent:
Plans are being finalised to step up data-sharing cooperation between Ireland and the UK in the coming months including through the use of cutting edge automated systems to extend the sharing and cross-checking of information, including fingerprints.
Ireland is currently working on proposals to develop an Advance Passenger Information (API) system requiring airlines and other carriers to provide passenger information.
Responding the inquiries by TheJournal.ie, Minister Frances Fitzgerald’s department said authorities here and in the UK are, on a daily basis, sharing information regarding visa applicants, and working together to track down individuals trying to “enter either country by evading immigration controls and checks.”
Operational and data sharing cooperation with the UK immigration authorities is at an all time high.
When it comes to the prospect of Irish citizens returning from fighting in Syria and Iraq, the Department of Justice said:
The Garda Síochána continue to monitor the situation and, in line with best international practice, to promote engagement with communities to counter the threat of radicalisation.
The announcement comes just days after the British government raised the country’s terrorist threat level from “substantial” to “severe”, in response to developments in the Middle East, as Home Secretary Theresa May explained:
The increase in the threat level is related to developments in Syria and Iraq where terrorist groups are planning attacks against the West.
Some of these plots are likely to involve foreign fighters who have travelled there from the UK and Europe to take part in those conflicts.
Originally published 13:31.
To embed this post, copy the code below on your site
I think we need to take a sensible approach to extremists and co operating with our nearest neighbours is a sensible approach. We can’t have Ireland being a haven for extremist terrorists wanting to hit the UK by the back door and indeed any other country in Europe. We need information sharing across Europe and with the US and any other country willing to tackle these radicalised groups. Ireland needs to start doing more than monitoring and needs to get more pro active. Legislation on returning fighters for example , engaged with ordinary Muslims and working to prevent the racialisation of young people at ground level with the help of their mosques. Ordinary Irish Muslims needs to play their part in stopping this threat too. We are being left behind and could end up with a much larger problem if we don’t act now.
Catherine…well thought out contribution.
Why stop at sharing this data with our nearest neighbour, surely the rest of the EU and our friends in the USA should have this information as well?
Of course, I suspect they already do, but this announcement is a token nod to yet another erosion of privacy with the aim of “protecting” ourselves.
Magna Carta will have its 800th anniversary next year… We should look closely at what the barons are doing in the name of protecting the peasantry.
Or How about stopping the importation of millions of muslims into the West and killing their secular strongmen leaders?
I totally agree sharing info with our neighbours makes sense UK + European countries, anyone travelling to or from Syria Iraq or Iran into the EU needs to have a very good reason and explanation as to what they were doing there.
Good to see this happening but sad that it has to.
We can only blame those countries that have been arming and training these Jihad terrorists.
Its also ironic that the same countries that continue to arm these terrorists are the same countries that draft in fascist security measures most noteably the US and UK.
The US and UK don’t arm or train ISIS or AlQaeda ffsake
Ryan Carroll,
Yes! The US did train and armed Al Qaeda back in the 80s when AlQaeda started, the US supported the Taliban to fight against Soviet invasion, it even went to the silver screen, Rambo 3 is about the Taliban receiving US aid to fight the Soviets. And ISIS too back when the Iraq-Iran war, they just weren’t call ISIS back then but the leaders and previous ISIS leaders received US aid
Ab, you really say the most ignorant, ill informed,crazy, weird, non-sensical,tinpot,tinfoill hat,oddest,strange, off the planet, out of this world garbage, drivel i have ever seen on the journal. Are you really just having a laff as they say in the funny papers ?
Juan i think ryan means they dont train or fund them now
Actually the US did arm and train the Mujahideen in Afghanistan this is a well known fact; later these arms and training became the Taliban…the rest is history. And also yes they armed most of isis; those weapons and vehicles you see isis with on Sky News are mostly American equipment. America and some European countries said they are giving weapons to the “moderate rebels” and the circle goes round and round. Isis would not have these weapons or exist if America did not dissolve the Iraq army after the war (most are now terrorists in isis). You can’t tell 400,000 battle hardened soldiers that they all have no job and expect thing’s to be ok. All round disaster in that region in the name of democracy.
Stephen Earle…you have your head deep in the sand, Both the UK and UK, also France have been fanning the flames of Islamic jihad terrorism in Syria, in fact they would still be at it only for alternative media exposing the atrocities.
and yes as regards supporting terrorism today…both countries support the Barbaric Zi0nist child slaughtering land stealing regime which is no different than ISIS or any other terrorist head hackers. BTY we know damd well who is behind all the major false flags in recent times, we know this by the numbers. you will be tripping over the 7s again in the coming weeks.
Just watch the film “Charlie Wilsons War” starring Tom Hanks and get back to us!
Yeh..see what’s sad is you think that snarky comment makes you look smart, but all it does is highlight your ignorance in not realizing the mujaheddin fighters in Afganistan and Muslem Brotherhood were not the same thing as AlQaeda, they just shared some of the same members and AQ hadn’t formed yet at the time the US gave that aid.
@ Ryan Carrol.. . You are wrong there, have you ever wondered why Al Q never attacks Israel.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/french-report-isil-leader-mossad/
It must have at least crossed your mind that there is something wrong wit the mass migrations we are forced to suffer. Terrorists have to be created, it is governments that create them.
Owen, great movie but did you not see the end when the US stopped their support of the mujahideen after the soviets pulled out?
Sorry Ryan, but providing you with facts is not making “snarky comments” and it would seem your the ignorant one who can’t bare to belive American etc helped these terrorists become what they are today. Think of the billions upon billion that is now spent on anti terrorism (making American arms companies vary rich); not to speak of our privacy being taken away.
So to add to my statistics to show that America etc are fanning the terror flames I think we need to put terrorism into prospective:
2010 – 25 US (none military) people died from terrorism
2011 – 17 US (none military) people died from terrorism
– You are 35,079 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack
– You are 33,842 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack
“Since 9/11, foreign-inspired terrorism has claimed about two dozen lives in the United States. (Meanwhile, more than 100,000 have been killed in gun homicides and more than 400,000 in motor-vehicle accidents.) “ – CNN reporter Fareed Zakaria
“Terrorism pushes our emotional buttons. And politicians and the media tend to blow the risk of terrorism out of proportion.” – Michael Bloomburg, New York mayor 2007.
Statistics from the CDC
Ok…gonna try this again..
First, if you can’t tell the diff between AlQada and the Afghan mujahadeen, two organizations nothing alike that were nearly 20 years apart and have nothing in common apart from sharing some of the same members then you should not be commenting on this topic at all because it shows you have no idea what you are talking about
AQ formed years after the mujahadeen stopped fighting and it formed for totally diff reasons, most of the weapons the US gave them were used up at the time, half of them would be rust by now, they gave them things like rifles and stinger missiles things that were well used up fighting the soviet occupation, OBL does not travel around with missiles in his backpack .
The reason AQ don’t attack Israel is not because they are secretly their masters (that you would believe something like that shows you’re frankly totally out of touch with reality) it’s because it was formed with one target and one target only in mind: THE USA. OBL was annoyed that the Kuwaitis, after the Saddam invasion, would not let him assemble resistance fighters and instead they turned to the UN coalition, he was annoyed at the Saudis for operation desert sheild instead of turning to him to assemble new mujahadeen forces, this was the straw that broke the camels back in a long change towards haating the US for him, it was the last straw and poisoned his relationship with them.
The common notion that the US ‘created’ AQ by backing the mujahadeen is an internet based urban legend that has no connection with reality, you’re confusing (on purpose) the mujahadeen and AQ, groups years apart with mostly diff members who used almost none of the same equipment
AQ got their chemical weapons from Iraq after the Saddam regime fell in 2003, they got their rifles and explosives from Saudi benefactors and international arms dealers, and much of their explosives are improvised explosives not advanced gear.
Who’s more likely to be right here? The one giving you the common sense explanation or the one giving you a raving conspiracy theory with not a shred of evidence, The US government commiting high treason attacking it’s own population for what possible motive?
You’re talking boll__x
Second, I’m well aware they blow the threat out of proportion. When I was studying counterterrorism I did my final paper on that very topic, my thesis was the actual threat v the perceived threat. I poured particular mockery on the famous cut out of the OBL mountain hide out Rumsfeld brought on meet the press showing room for tanks, a honeycomb structure hydro electric plants nonsense nothing like the reality, but it’s a long stretch froom there to suggesting they help them attack their own peope
Ryan I salute you.
A salute from me as well. This reality needs to be hammered home to some on here.
Sorry Ryan again but what your saying is my facts from renowned sources such as the US governments CDC, news outlets etc is “raving conspiracy theories”. But we all should listen to you.. For some reason; you have just presented your views instead of facts and statistics which I provided.
Facts: The Taliban were one of the mujahideen “holy warriors” or “freedom fighters” groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan 1979-1989. After the withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Soviet-backed government lost ground to the mujahideen. In 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. However, the various factions were unable to cooperate and fell to fighting each other. Afghanistan was reduced to a collection of territories held by competing warlords.
Groups of taliban ”religious students” were loosely organized on a regional basis during the occupation and civil war. Although they represented a potentially huge force, they didn’t emerge as a united entity until the taliban of Kandahar made their move in 1994.
Thought you said they had no link Ryan?
Back to the Muslim brotherhood, correct me if I’m wrong but did the US not give them hundreds of millions in military aid when they were in power? In fact the US supported them before the Egyptian people had enough.
Another fact on ISIS and the US etc arming them; remember all those “rebels” in Libya that again were armed by America, France, UK etc? All that has left is another destroyed country hit with democracy and massive amounts of weapons and again battle hardened fighters that have largely joined ISIS.
Good night.
I keep trying to reply and it wont let me
Ok ill try this AGAIN…
The two groups are nothing alike most of the AQ figures who have done their atttacks were not even BORN when the mujahadeen were around. So who did they train? not the 911 hyjackers, not the 77 ones so who? and where did all these trained men go? they were awfully quiet.
They got their weapons in Iraq, Saudi lots of places they did not get any from the US
You also dont’ seem to understand the MB from the 50s in Egypt and the organization today are about the same as the ULA and the PDs if you don’t know that it tells me you don’t have even the basic information on this topic. You don’t need a security clearance to know this stuff it’s on wikipedia and in documentaries like the power of nightmares ffsake every poli-sci student in the world knows this stuff but not the professional conspiracy theorist.
I’ve learned, from talking to Truthers, that the conspiracy theory mindset there is no point discussing anything with it because they are not basing their views on evidence I just don’t want innocent passers by to think there is something to your nonsense, ive seen with the moon landing and JFK theories how a lunatic theory with no evidence can enter the mainstream.
Also memo to Generation Y: Posting FACT after something does not do voodoo magic to make it a fact. Facts have to have indisputable evidence behind them to be considered so. You can’t just bark out something highly improbable and then say FACT after and expect people to believe you
You’re doing what conspiracy theorists usually do, muddy the waters by putting some truth in with the lie, arming ‘rebels’ in Lybia is not the same as proof that ISIS (a very specific organization even Al Qada thinks are crazy) was armed by the US.
No rational state would arm a group that is trying to ceaze control of a country whos Geopolitical status that state spent thousands of lives and trillions of dollars trying to define in their interests,.
You guys don’t only have a lack of knowledge or understanding of security issues but basic politics 101 and basic sociology 101 is not your forte either, you assign highly improbable goals to people who would not have any kind of clear rational motive to do what you’re suggesting. The US spent thousands of lives and trillions of dollars to make Iraq a friendly regime, and then they turn around and arm the guys trying to overthrow that regime who would be worse in power by 10 fold than the guy they overthrew in the first place? Political actors don’t wontonly act against their own interests for no logical reason, the world just does not work that way
It’s 4:20..I’m going to bed. Looks like we agree to disagree
@ Ryan Carrol, Says you, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/04/french-report-isil-leader-mossad/
They also like to recruit people like you.
@ Ryan Carroll .. .They are the same, the are recruited and trained by the same Intel jockey’s, Al Q had formed at the time, the name is short for “the base” as in “DataBase” , reminds one of the mass warrantless gathering of personal info and the uses it can be put to. If you combine such a database with profiling and social engineering you end up with a large reserve of programmed people, many that have been affected so that they make ready suicide bombers
We can now see the results of these social experiments in America and Europe, Columbine Etc. a police state is the best breeding ground for these things, we are fast becoming one.
They might share the intelligence regarding the Dublin Monaghan bombings while they’re at it so…
this state was up to its eyeballs in dublin and monaghan, that’s why they don’t want the brits to release the files.
Half the special branch and G2 staff working today were not even born when those bombings took place, so lets not go accusing people of collusion who were toddlers or Zygotes or an unfertilized egg when they happened yeh?
The majority of the dirty tricks in that issue were in the cabinet room rather than the cops
Give it a rest. Seeking your views are disgusting. You were on here yesterday justifying the Jean McConville murder by Republican skum, and even claimed the Omagh bombing was an ‘MI5 false flag operation.
omagh was an mi5 op, only non brainwashed people can see that and mcconville was a spy
ryan
you’ve fell into the trap that they want you to fall into. They hope for people like you to say the same about pat finucane i.e. he was murdered over twenty years ago none of the people who ordered the murder are in power now.
They love people like you.
I’m torn here. On one hand I think your stupid comments about Omagh & Jean McConville should be removed lest they cause gross offence to the bereaved. On the other hand, I think people should see you for what you are
It matters not when they were born, their job is to keep the status quo for the elites, to subvert democracy when their masters require them to do so.
Collusion where loyalists and the MI5 find common cause in a common enemy is one thing., the idea that cabinet members may have covered up said collusion AFTER THE FACT to avoid a messy fight with the Brits is one thing…to suggest the government and security services were in on it and commuting treason….sorry that’s just ridiculous.
All of you conspiracy theorists on here accuse anyone who works in security services of mass murder so casually. I gotta say it makes me really angry to see such casual accusations thrown around against people who dedicate every waking hour they work to YOUR safety.
Their age does matter, the Garda Special Branch are not the f___g stasi and you make yourself look like a tool portraying them that way. You are not glorious resistance fighters in a police state, you are over pampered brats who live in a developed modern society, stop trying to think of yourselves as characters in the Matrix, it’s juvenile. The US might be turning into a police state, but believe me, far braver people than you will be taking on that monster, Irelands not a police state were a democratic republic with plenty of safeguards and limits on power.
One of your cohorts on here called the troops of JSOC ”murderers for hire”, I’m not even sure of what the for hire part means
Stop casually calling people you don’t know murderers and accusing them of treason, they have to have evidence before they accuse you of things, maybe you should give them the same treatment.
Good man Ryan, good to see someone on here take on the tinfoil cal brigade. Honestly the filth they spout makes me depressed to read this site.
Scaremongering has crossed the Irish Sea like a plague………………………………..
Conspiratorial nonsense has swept the world thanks to the internet.
It has to be said that by shunting catholosism in Ireland or any other country leaves a vacuum to be filled by other beliefs. Namingly Islam.
We all agree that this cult does not merge well with western philosophy.
Nothing wrong with being prepared, Glen? Are you suggesting that radical Islam doesn’t pose a that to us?
Phillip
I am not worried about radical islam. I am worried about tyranny, deception and false flag attacks blamed on radical islam !
It’s the biggest threat to the whole world. It will plunge us back 1000 years if it takes hold here.
Oh Glen, I have a feeling you are way too far down the rabbit hole to ever see any sense. How about enlightening the rest of us with some hard evidence? How about this. There are multitudes of thing Muslims in Britain that are going to Iraq and Syria to fight in some war about the flying spaghetti monster. There are a couple of chilling implications to this. One being that they are being radicalized in Britain. 2 being that they are anti west. 3 bring that they have no consideration for human life. 4 being that they can use our own freedoms against us. Please o please, enlighten me as to why it is actually our governments that are causing the terror
*thing= young
Glen…This is hardly scaremongering.
History should have left a lasting impact on the disastrous effect of islamic influence on the western world.
Britain is not Ireland Phillip
There has been a history of proved false flags ……………..google is your friend !!!!
Yet you can’t name me one.
For those of you who are wondering.
I’ve been saying for a while Irelands G2 and Special Branch do not do warentless mass surveillance. A close look at the (original, the ones that are out anyway) Snowden files confirms this.
We have to follow a very specific procedure to do surveillance, we’ve wide powers but that does not mean we hoover up every keystroke like the NSA does. Besides it takes a fortune and a lot of server capacity for the NSA to do that, to do what they do would require G2 to at least double it’s budget.
All the terrorist attacks on this Island have been quite real, even the ones where there was Loyalist collusion with securocrats from the UK security services were predominantly loyalist plots that had help from officials (from officials working within govt agencies but never the knowing help of the actual government members).
Glen google is not research, Generation Y has confused googling something and researching it for the same, somethings not real research unless the scientific methods is used, facts should hold up to scrutiny and be independently verifiable, none of the nonsense conspiracy theories about 911 stand up to any scrutiny and there are simple explanations for every supposed anomaly the truthers point out. The real story is usually far more interesting and far more logical. Most of the conspiracy theories don’t even make any logical sense, why, if they’re using a plane for the towers, would they use a missile for the pentagon and then say it was a plane, that’s just stupid there is no real motive for doing that, you’d just use a plane.
phillip
as requested ……..I have plenty more just let me know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiizoxpbQ5E
A YouTube video with 280 views? That’s the best you can come up with?
It is reasonable to suggest that there are benefits for some people of exaggerating or even conjuring up a threat. It’s even reasonable to suggest that some of it will be done deliberately for the purpose of enhancing the powers and privileges of various special interest groups, from police forces to the manufacturers of assorted hi-tech equipment.
It is not reasonable to suggest that radical Islam does not pose a genuine threat.
the views are irrelevant
the information is fact……
England is America’s side kick when it comes to false flags…
…watch in the coming weeks when the ISIS bogyman scaremongering gets into over drive on UK soil.
I certainly would not want to be living in London with cops armed with Uzi sub machine guns at every major railway station demanding identification and questioning your every move.
Glen to accuse the US President of committing high treason by conspiring with another state to launch an attack on his own military is very far fetched and big claims require big evidence.
What possible motive would he have for doing this?
You don’t understand how political leaders think do you? Let me educate you, as a political leader everything is legacy legacy legacy, the big attraction in the job isn’t just the money and the perks now it’s being remembered by history, what people 10 generations from now think of you, especially if you are the US President who is a big historical figure. You would never be crazy enough, for any motive, to commit high treason and risk that coming out later on and being an irredeemable stain on your legacy, future generations cursing you as a traitor.
Besides that, political leaders don’t sit in dark rooms rubbing their hands together hatching plots alone, they have people around them 24-7. There is a book out recently by the secret service agents who were around presidents Kennedy to Nixon, and since they are dead now they basically said what they were like and whatnot. Do you think a secret service agent would hush up high treason by the President of the United States? for a 50k a year job? They are sworn federal law enforcement it would make their career, let alone history, for them to blow the whistle on a President committing treason. We have a record of how Johnson reacted to this anyway, he assumed it was the Soviets and picked up the HOTLINE then sent Jets into the air ready to carpet bomb Egypt.
US President cow-tow to Israel way too much , they hushed up this incident far too much to cover their mistake, but if you’re gonna accuse them of high treason…highly improbable charges require a significant amount of evidence, and there is none.
Ryan
Those aboard the ship would strongly disagree with you…………….Research the topic as its obvious you know nothing about it as its been proved That Israel attacked that ship and the President let it happen ……………….Research Ryan Research !
Glen you think you know what I know but I know far more than you think on these topics which is why I know you are talking nonsense, the crew think the attack was intentional, by the Israelis, they do NOT think the President ordered it.
Research and something being on the net are not the same thing, real research is finding out what all the facts are, then trying to use that to piece together the rest of the picture with a hypothesis, then testing that hypothesis. What you and your conspiracy theory mates do is just automatically assume everything is a conspiracy or a flase flag and immediately jump to the most improbable explanation
There is not a shred of evidence the US President ordered the attack if there was he’d have been out on his ass very quickly. The Republicans despised LBJ he was winning re-election with a 60% landslide, his Great Society programme was everything the conservatives hated, they knew the democrats would get credit for medicare and medicaid they would have grabbed at ANYTHING to bring him down. If there was the slightest suspicion they would have been launching an impeachment trial in 2 minutes they impeached Clinton on a flimsy technicality about sex you think they’d not have flayed Johnson alive for TREASON? GTFO…nonsense, total nonsense.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, you have no evidence, a youtube video is not evidence, anyone can put a youtube video up and make claims, Loose Change is full of unscientific bull___t and that’s got millions of views.
Ryan
We both know you are trying to whitewash the fact that this took place …..Israel attacked an american ship to blame on someone else to get america into a war……that my friend is a false flag
Do You Agree
I have no idea what their motive was, and if I were the US President I would not have brushed it under the rug, I’d have launched a few missiles at an Israeli ship and then said ”oops…sorry that was a mistake….these things happen, ye know” and that would send them a clear message, I would have terminated their aid, but I generally think differently to US leaders (and Irish ones actually), I just have a different way of looking at the world. Them not having my exact reaction and outlook is not reason enough for me to think they were supersecretly in on the attack
Knowing America and American politics as I do so well, their behavior fits with the same pattern you see today, they are terrified of saying ANYTHING bad about Israel , as soon as you bring up anything they do bad they’re calling you anti-semetic and bringing up the nazi death camps, and AIPAC has the power to end a political career so it’s no shock to me their response was low key.
I think a US President should have had more balls, but him not having balls is not = him being in on it.
The crew seems to think it was intentional, I’m not sure what motive they might have had, there was no real need for the US to enter that war Israel was winning quite handily, they’d destroyed most of the Egyptian air force on the ground in the first few hours they had total air superiority and once you have that it’s downhill. Considering that it would have been flying a US flag and ensign I don’t think it was an accident, on balance of probability, I just can’t think of a motive.
That’s a long way from claiming the US President was in one it though, that’s just ridiculous. No leader of a country is going to commit treason against his own country it’s just insane it would never happen.
I think ryan is the only sober sensible voice here. Well done!
Ablitive, wrong on so many counts. How many UK police forces carry Uzzis ? It’s a round figure and less than 1. Have a guess. Try H&K instead. As for the rest of your post…just as inaccurate.
We stopped using them too for the most part, they have a tendency to SPRAY when on the automatic setting.
You think it’s Kim kardashian video tape, it’s false flag man no body give a …!
@ Phil Hogan … It is the elite and NATO that have been flooding Europe with their Muslim agents that are the threat, our own government is part of this threat.
The fact is, you’re a moron.
Glen, if your not worried about radical Islam then feel free to take a holiday in any middle eastern trouble spots, let all know that you are from the west and are Christian and have US citizenship. Send us a postcard to let us know how you are getting on?
@ Ryan Carroll .. Look at the leaks again, Ireland is listed as a country that uses software from a Irish company produces this software and sells it to country’s that use it to oppress and terrorise their own citizens. Most terrorist events are by governments.
http://youtu.be/YZ2VpfUqRoo
Ireland has spent many € Millions on equipment and hundreds of new “IT experts” a few years ago to better subvert any political opposition or dissent of the Irish people, they exist to keep corruption in power, no other reason. The gang stalking operations of these agency’s are so well run that most people never guess they are victims.
Anytime im in London I more than glad to see the police are up to speed with semi automatic weapons protecting train stations and airports and so are my family who live and work there,it’s not an ideal situtation but it’s far better that the police have the means to defend themselves and protect the citizens if confronted with terrorist thugs.
@ Danger Mouse . Coming from you that is cute, because you are not smart enough to be a moron.
@Chris the Snowden files told me what I already knew that we don’t do mass surveillance, our company having a contract is not the same thing.
It would take at least a quadrupling of G2s current server capacity and at least a doubling of the security services budget to even come close to what the NSA does, we have no interest in doing that, the same power-incentive structure is just not present here that fuels the monster in the states
Declan Noonan .. If Glen takes a holiday to the middle east, the real so called Muslims to fear are those head hackers that were armed to the teeth by the US Government and trained in Jordan, the same Takfiri terrorist mob that have been wiping out ancient Christian settlements in Syria and Iraq to this day. If it wasn’t for alternative media this would not have been exposed. We can also thank Assad for eradicating much of these cockroaches.
See the problem is it’s not ”alternative media” it’s conspiracy theory websites that thnk EVERYTHING is a conspiracy theory, no credible independent news organization, establishment or new media, reports this kind of tosh because they know it is just that, nonsense.
There are plenty of real Islamic terrorists out there, there is no need to do false flags. The 77 bombers operated entirely on their own they didn’t even seem to be a cell of AQ they came up with the whole thing by themselves from what can be gathered. The 9/11 hyjackers used low tech tools to turn aircraft into missiles. AlQaeda have tried to use chemical weapons they got from Iraqs small remaining stockpile when the Saddam regime fell several times. We’ve found bomb factorys in IRELAND made by them, there is no need for false flags when you have all these real killers ready to go.
Also ….you really don’t need to be trained to be a terrorist, this notion of training camps has been wildly overblown, once you learn how to use a weapon and basic explosives training (which can be done with the help of the net yo udon’t need a state agency) you’re good to go.
The 911 hyjeckers didn’t even have a weapon with them, a fake bomb and boxcutters was enough.
The US population have never needed false flags to get riled up for war, in the 80s they invaded some tiny speck in the ocean called Grenada for basically no real reason and they supported it.
@ Ryan Carrol.. Sorry, problems with my keyboard, or G2 interference. We have bought software from many company’s, these days there is no need, equipment installed at the providers gives real time access. We signed up to Echelon last year, Ireland has been using equipment like Blue Lantern for years and warrant less interception has been going on for years.
Anyone can buy mobile phone software for bugging a mobile phone for £39.99, the reason is so that the police can have warrantless interception.
The official Secrets Act covers a lot of dirt here, if you are asked for information under this act you can’t tell anyone you were asked, even a lawyer, you have no way of finding out if it is legal.
I regret to have to inform you that all forms of communications in Ireland are intercepted and stored, it is also shared with and stored by other nations that our government work with in Echelon and other info grabbing systems.
Ryan Carroll ,, How come jet aircraft engine components that were discovered in the wreckage of 9/11 came from a Boeing 747 and not a Boeing 767 as claimed to be… and Building 7… the smoking gun… and that that predictive BBC news report… oh and all those 7′s
The Legend of 9/11… 13 years on…..This short video is one of the best and it has a sense of humor.
Let me remind you of the 2008 Mumbai attacks by the Lashkar-e-Taiba group. One of the their attacks happened at the main train station in Mumbai. It could happen in London at a major terminal so having armed BTP officers is a welcome sight.
What makes you say “I wouldn’t want to be stopped… asked about my every moves.. Etc etc..”
What makes you think you’ll be stopped in the first place..?
Here’s the thing..
Last Sunday (31/08/14) I walked through St Pancras about 12:45pm and seen two armed officers patrolling the main part of the station which was thronged with several hundred people (not the first time). Do you really think 2 officers have the time to stop and question hundreds of people in an afternoon. Get real… I live here FFS..
The 7/7 bombers bombers met at Luton train station on that faithful morning. They then took a First Capitol Connect commuter service into St Pancras. There they went their separate ways, 3 onto the Underground and one walked outside onto the Euston Road where he boarded a bus, only because the first bomb went off and stopped Tube services. They rest.. You know what happened.
Armed officers have been patrolling Airports and Stations for years in the UK since the IRA war. While the sight of officers might be strange to some, it’s a welcome sight to others. Perhaps if there were enough armed officers in Mumbai that morning in their main station there may have been less loss of life.
@ Chris Jordan .. Mumbai is a perfect example of who controls the Muslim extremists, an American is wanted by India in connection with this terrorist act, it would be worth your time to do a little research on this. Also, take a look at a man named Uzi Arad.
The people we need to fear are the same people that say they are protecting us.
mi5 has been the lead intel agency on this island since 1938 (when that gowl Dev invited them in, and then couldn’t get rid of them) so there’s always been co-operation, even in the dublin and monaghan bombings.
Ffs , will you get a girlfriend , you have way too much time on your hands ?!
Or boyfriend!
“get a girlfriend” “or Boyfriend”
The intelligent responses that unfortunately one has come to expect from the journal.
Still Seeking the Truth.. just hasn’t found it yet.
Just get a friend, your clearly a sad deluded loser.
Would you wonder why “they haven’t gone away” there is a root cause to all dissent. Islamic terrorist threat to Ireland is zero, threat from idealistic republicans is minimal though the biggest threat to the state are the gangster drug barons who terrorise every community in the country with a free run because our government funds other countries cloak and dagger operations. Walk through Dublin city centre and see the effects these gangsters cause with their crimes against the state, this scourge is not caused by islamists or republicans.
The Islamists are not interested in planting a bomb on the DART, were not a big enough target for them, but there is danger in them using us as a soft entry to the UK or a fall back base since the (False) perception is our security services are more laid back and would not pursue them as hard.
So says downing st. There is absolutely no precedence of islamists using Ireland as a launch pad and they have far more sympathisers in the UK already to even contemplate using here in fact they would be going out of their way using Ireland.
Plus the ultimate goal of all Islamists is to spread their fascist ideology throughout every democratic country in the world. So Ireland may be an unlikely country to attack but it’s just as much of a target to spew their ideology.
Osama himself said that Ireland would be a great country to convert people because of the growing numbers of people disillusioned with Catholicism. I’m not attacking Muslims here, but Islamists. Important distinction.
”There is absolutely no precedence of islamists using Ireland as a launch pad ”
Sadly there is. We are an easy point for logistics for attacks. People have been arrested for it several times, an entire bomb factory was found one time in Kerry and they’ve used Irish bank accounts to funnel money for years. Around the time of the cartoon saga a group in Cork were planning assassinations.
MI5 has an entire unit in the north who’s sole job is watching Islamic militants in Ireland, in conjunction with our own people. They don’t spend cash setting up a 20m pound HQ for nothing.
They are basically doing what the PIRA did, the PIRA in terms of planning saw the UK and NI as the warzone and Ireland south as the base/stash/safehouse area. They’d be fools NOT to try to do the same thing considering how well it worked for the PIRA.
My point is that they have more sympathisers in England than the IRA had and wouldn’t need the expense of using Ireland.
That’s true obviously they would not have even 10% of the support base the Provos had, but they do have sympathizers here.
If you are planning an attack on the UK you will feel like you are likely to be under less pressure and surveillance with the preparations here than over there. Where is going to be easier , in a country that has known terrorist attacks non stop since not long after WWII where the police are a little paranoid and watching everyone closely, or a relaxed place next door where there has only ever been one terrorist attack in the city in the last 50 years and most are not old enough to remember it, where most police don’t carry weapons. Even that last bit would be important.
We should, but we don’t, have armed uniformed police in major areas like Heuston station, airports etc if you are caught or a beat cop finds something shifty and suspicious about you (and often times it’s the ordinary beat cop that cracks a case just based on his 6th sense making him ask questions), you are likely to be able to get away easier in Ireland because if you draw your weapon that officer has to take cover, whereas in the UK that officer has an Uzi and will cut you to bits.
I’m not saying there are many of them, or that they are planning to attack us, but they have been known to use us as a base and while we should not hype that threat it would be reckless of us to not take it seriously.
Imagine a chemical or crude nuclear weapon goes off in some UK city and it’s discovered in the weeks after that it was assembled in Ireland and smuggled over on a fishing boat, how bad would we look to the rest of the world? Even if it was a conventional bomb like 7/7 imagine we had intel the main mastermind was assembling the weapons here or buying them here and we didn’t do surveillance on him and he kills 100 people in the UK, or thousands in the case of the other type of weapons.
We have to be ready.
Ryan Carroll .. These terrorists have no interest in Ireland.. The only reason something could possibly happen here if it was staged. It would not take long before alternative media channels would rip the official story of any so called terrorist attack.
Alternative media will also be working overtime debunking forthcoming attacks in both USA, Australia the UK. This is where we could fear the possibility of soviet style censorship that could take over the internet by corrupt Western block Governments.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FMXW1kI5giQ/Tzp0OmCt7dI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/TAgN06yCuGg/s1600/infohi_dees.jpg
Ryan Caroll. What on earth are you on about? How can you say that it is easier to keep an eye on suspected terrorists in the UK than it is in Ireland. Have you ever seen the places in Britain that are almost entirely occupied by Muslims?
In my village everyone knows everyone else’s business and if anyone moves into the area the news soon gets around. I suspect there will be areas in cities with the same tendency.
We are a naturally curious lot and like to know what is going on. The Brits on the other hand are big into, it’s none of my business.
I’m interested in what agenda you pursue by trying to spread this nonsense. I’m guessing it has a connection with security work.
Nice little earner Ryan?
@Abladive, ‘alternative media’ will be doing no such thing, professional full time see a conspiracy in everything lunatics will.
Weither you want to believe it or not there are real Islamic terrorists out there if 911 and 77 did not prove that then nothing will prove it for you there is no need for the govt to engage in false flags because:
1. It’s painfully easy to get the US riled up for war without them
2. There are plenty of real terrorists out there willing to oblige.
@Charlie Ireland is perceived as a softer place where you won’t be looked at as closely, this is historic fact (the perception, in reality they are looked at just as closely in most cases).
MEANING no disrespect but everyone does not live in a rural village, most of Ireland is not like that anymore, most of the people in Dublin would not know their own neighbors to talk to and if you live in a towering apartment building it’s very unlikely you will know your neighbors, besides which them establishing a cover story
My job(s) have nothing to do with this. If I worked as a G2 analyst monday to Friday, a special branch officer Saturday and an NSA consultant Sunday it would not change the factual accuracy of what I’m saying. Most of the world does not subscribe to that lunatic view of the world, most of us base our views in evidence, reality, science not highly improbable conspiracies.
*establishing a cover story that would fool your average Irish nosy neighbor is not much of a challenge esp when you would have a normal job in IT or something unassuming as your cover job and would probably be a well educated European muslem in their late 20s / early 30s where not having a family would not be unusual and being gone a lot of the day would be understandable.
The cartoon image you probably have in your head of an all white fella with a long dark beard funny had with a wife in a burqa who goes to Mosque twice a day and talks about Allah in every second sentence,…real Islamic terrorists don’t look like that. They look like Sanje your friendly Dell technician, totally invested in fulfilling your customer experience today sir, they are disarming, unassuming, they’re not so obvious some Irish mammy in a village is going to crack his entire plot wide open because she does not see him at mass.
We live in a multicultural metropoliton society now, comely maidens do not dance at the crossroads after coming out of their cosey homesteads to have a pint and talk about the latest show on TeleEireann.
That Ireland is rapidly vanishing. I lived on campus in college, all of my friends were UCD students, I was the RA, I had a masterkey to every door in the complex, my job was to look out for residents and help them out, and despite all that in the years I was there I didn’t know a single other person on my floor. There was one year where I only had one conversation with a roommate. He came and went with no real routine, we shared a kitchen and living room , I can count on one hand the number of times I saw him and we lived in the same apartment, I forgot his name after a while that’s how little I saw him. It’s easy to blend in in Ireland now.
You know i’m always amazed that conspiracy theorists can be painfully naive one minute in thinking there are no real Islamic terrorists despite the undeniable evidence of them and the next minute imagine these monstrous and ever widening conspiracy theories.
The scenario that concerns the UK is that a returning UK IS fighter may first enter Ireland, where they may be less security at the airport, and then hop on a ferry to holyhead or liverpool etc. i have made this trip to the UK and am still amazed that nobody wanted to see my passport. Of i can do it so can anyone, its a terrorist backdoor
Stephen Earle ,,, but the real terrorists are the fear mongering Governments and their false flags.. ,, Just watch those 7′s
Stephen I totally agree. My family and me have just returned from a ferry crossing ( Dublin port- Holyhead return) and not once were we asked for photographic identification. Myself and my husband were totally shocked given the increased security at airports. I believe this issue needs to be addressed and the level of staff increased at our ports.
Did you know that you could be arrested and detained in the EU as a potential terrorist by simply stating on a social media blog that you supported Hamas. Yet if you stated that you supported the Terrorist state of Israel you would walk straight through without a problem. Gives you a good idea who makes the rules and pulls the ropes.
Hamas are on the EU terrorist list…http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
..but they’re on it because….they’re terrorists….terrorists attack the EU, the Israelis don’t.
Whatever you think of the plight of the Palestinians, and the horrific war crimes the IDF are committing lets not loose sight of reality here in our sympathy for the ordinary Palestinian, Hamas are cold blooded murderers who execute unarmed civilians they’ve captured just because of their religion and ethnicity, they might be a ‘party’ in theory that won an election (*Ages ago) but they are also murderers. Don’t let their propaganda seduce you into not seeing reality
Ab, hamas ARE a terrorist organisation so of course they are on this EU list to dribble about
Interesting that when the IRA freedom fighters were bombing terrrorist hq (london) there was no alert mechanism in place for the londoners, now it’s amber, orange, red.
English and americans are being treaated like lab rats, nows it’s gullible paddys turn,
IRA never strapped bombs to their chest, or other suicidal maniacal means of terror
Phillip…only muslims are daft enough to think they are doing Allah a favour by committing suicide.
That’s true, Philip. They strapped bombs to other people’s trucks, then told them to drive at a target or their families would be shot. An entirely different scenario altogether.
Emily I’m not aware of any IRA incident where they told a family member to drive a truck towards a target filled with explosives? I’ve been all over the troubles and I’ve never seen that one, maybe I missed it but it seems like a big thing to miss. I’ve seen that as a movie plot…..
The Journal comments section continues to be a fact free zone. The actual PIRA strategy was not to kill random civilians, any time that happened in a bombing it was a mistake. Not that they didn’t kill innocents but that wasn’t their main strategy the way it is AlQaedas. The PIRA strategy was to put bombs in economic parts of the UK and then phone in warnings. No civilians would be killed but the bomb would make insurance companies banks etc broke, and the idea was the elite would then put pressure on the UK govt ”this is costing us a fortune, would you ever solve this NI stuff” and it worked, they came to the table with a great offer.
They didn’t set off bombs in the tube or on buses they had big picture goals that didn’t require killing large number of civilians, more people died on 9/11 than the entirity of the troubles.
The PIRAs goal was not to kill large numbers of civilians, AlQaeda’s is.
The PIRA never had an interest in nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, AlQaeda’ does (in fact they’ve tried to set off the middle group several times)
The PIRA never planned on attacking nuclear plants, AlQaeda’ does.
AlQaeda’ are a far bigger threat than the PIRA was for many reasons that’s why more attention is being paid to them.
Ryan, the PIRA mortared 10 Downing St., came within a whisker of blowing the pants off Thatcher and let’s not forget the Omagh bombing. They were extremely capable of lethal attacks on both high ranking officials and in civilian areas. To say they posed less of a threat than Al Qaeda to the UK is inaccurate to say the least.
Wow hang on there now you’re first throwing the Provos and the nutcases in the RIRA in the same boat that’s not fair. The PIRA at least respected the will of the islands population when they voted for a deal, the RIRA don’t understand the notion of ”republic” means were the bosses not them.
It’s usually not within the rules of warfare to target the political leadership of your enemy for several reasons, not the least of which is someone needs to be there to ”turn it off” but that is not quite the same as AlQaeda crashing airliners into buildings with 50,000 people in them or trying to get their hands on HEU so they can make a nuclear weapon, it’s just not comparing like with like.
The PIRA had a clear and specific goal: ending the subordinate position of nationalists in the north, they thought for a while the best way to get this done was through a United Ireland but later were convinced that both goals could be got through the GFA, when they got something close to what they wanted they stopped fighting.
AQ have shifted their reasons and goals several times, it’s like whac-a-mole. First they said it was the US forces in Saudi Arabia, so Bush pulled them out. Then they said it was the ones in Afganistan and Iraq, now they are being pulled out, and they are still fighting, changing excuses every 10 minutes.
PIRA goals did not involve intentional target of large numbers of civilians, AQ’s do.
PIRA never had an interest in nuclear , biological or chemecal weapons, AQ have tried to get their hands on the first two and HAVE (thanks to Bushs idiotic Iraq war) got their hands on the latter. If AlQaeda had HEU they would make a crude nuke quite easily, it would be somewhere around 15KT and if detonated in central london would take out close to a million people, the PIRA never had any interest in killings on that scale. They also never had suicide bombers, they are a totally different kettle of fish and a much bigger threat.
Ryan, I normally think you’re a voice of reason, but if you haven’t heard of IRA proxy bombs, your knowledge of the Troubles is severely lacking. Here’s a starting point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb
Meanwhile I’m sure the citizens of Enniskillen, Birmingham, Warrington etc. will be relieved to hear that the civilians killed weren’t “random”.
Those were the exception not the rule, and they learned from them.
There is a diff between getting someone to drive one in and getting them to stay in the car when it goes off, or sending a suicide bomber in to do the same
I simply recognize that the AQ and associated organizations are a far far bigger threat than the PIRA were, they’ve no clear goals and they want to acquire weapons the IRA never contemplated like nukes, it’s a no brainer to say they are a bigger threat
A Nuclear 9/11, something the PIRA never tried, if they detonated even a small gun type nuke of 10kt in Washington dc would decapitate the US government and eliminate the entire line of succession while killing 100 000 civilians, the PIRA never wanted anything that drastic.
N. Ireland was a lab to develop further the policy of “divide and destroy” for America and NATO, we see this sectarian policy in use in the Middle East and Ukraine, it can be redeployed in Ireland at a moments notice.
Ah. The return of the elephant. What nuggets of wisdom will fall out of its arse tonight?
Oh it’s the usual anti – republican guff. No change there then.
Hi Ryan. Respect to you and your knowledge. Thank you for putting the elephant in its place as well.
I still disagree about Ireland being a back door for attacks on the UK by Islamic militants though.
I’d love to hope it wasn’t true, but it is. I’m not that hard to understand, I base my opinions on available data.
For example, I think we should have universal healthcare for everyone like the NHS. Most peoples reaction to that is jesus could we afford that. That’s not up in the air, we can answer that question, how much would it cost? 5 billion in total, 4b more than we spend on medical cards now. So then my views stay the same. If the answer was it would cost us 35 billion I’d say ok I don’t believe in that anymore because it’s unworkable.
It’s no diffrent to this. They have no real interest in attacking us, were too small a fry. Great. We know that. So we thought they might use us as a backdoor to the UK the way the provos did. That’s also not up in the air, there is available data to help us decide if this is a real concern.
We have arrests, bomb factories found, money going through Irish accounts…this is all data to confirm that worry that we could be used as a back door. I can’t look at that indisputable evidence, clasp my hands over my ears and say ”LALALALALA NOT HAPPENING LALALALALALA” because then I’d be pretending a major national security issue does not exist. The evidence is there.
There are matters of opinon and there are matters of fact. This is a matter of fact, they DO and HAVE used us as a backdoor.
The biggest central finding of the 9-11 commission was the biggest failure in the security services was a ”failure of imagination”. They didn’t think outside the box, but the terrorist groups did, they thought we can use fake bombs and boxcutters to take over an airline and turn it into a missile. The feds didn’t think outside the box. It’s better to think outside the box before the attacks happen than wander through the mess afterwards and wonder oh god why didn’t we think they might do this.
I don’t want to tell the family of some British victim that we let bombs get through to the UK because we just didn’t think that they might use us as a backdoor, when they would know we could have intercepted those bombs could you look that family in the eye and justify that kind of failure? I coudn’t.
Any word if Gerry Adams will be on the list?
If you end up on this watch list, by accident or design, you’re toast. No rights, no habeus corpus – you’re guilty until proven innocent.
This is not true. The UK have put journalists on this list who ask too many questions (something I really hope we don’t start to engage in), they even held Glenn Greenwalds partner for a while and searched the flash drives he had with him.
Ireland does not intern people without trial though, unlike the UK and US we are a free society and determined to keep it that way. In order for habus corpus to be suspended the government has to declare a state of emergency in accordance with Article VI of the Offences Against the State Act, and then the Justice or Defense Minister has to sign individual warrants of arrest for particular people who may be held without trial for as long as the warrant specifies, and a search done of their papers and possessions as the warrant specifies.
The constitution specifically prohibits capital punishment of anyone interned. The OASA law also sets up a three judge commission, independent of the government, who internees can appeal to, and if they can prove their total innocence, that it’s a mistake, lets say the journalist example above, the commission has the power to void the governments warrant and release that person and terminating the search of their possessions.
This power has only been used once outside of war time, for the OIRA Border Campaign in the 1950s.
So as you can see we have a lot of safeguards, if our government ever did what the US or UK govts did, interning and torturing innocent people etc that would never fly here that government would fall like a led balloon. Remember our executive branch is directly subordinate to the parliament unlike the US where the executive branch is separate, and unlike the UK there there is no constitution The Dail can void a state of emergency any time it wants with or without the governments permission.
Next thing the UK authorities will be arresting people as terrorists from material from their Facebook profiles.
I would be more concerned about the UK who are following in America’s fascist footsteps.
……….The U.S. Government Can Brand You a Terrorist Based on a Facebook Post
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/us-government-can-brand-you-terrorist-based-facebook-post
Islam = Nazism.
Windom Earle 19 hours ago #
13 14
Islam = Nazism.
and Windom Earle – Bigot
I hear theres a lot of armed militants being shipped through shannon, maybe start looking there lads.
There always has to be a ‘perceived threat’ in the public eye, for the criminal elements of governments to manipulate the masses, in this case its the so called “terrorists”. The latest sketch in the NWO production.
Hopefully they put the most dangerous people on that watchlist, namely NATO officials and US/ UK politicians who support the arming of ISIS.
“cutting edge automated systems” .. like a spreadsheet file in a dropbox folder?
I believe many people would be in favour of this if it was connected to reality, it will not stop NATO flights through Ireland, they are the largest terrorist organisation in the world. It will not answer Irelands involvement with the terrorists states that force on us the migration of peoples from country’s they are destroying, it will not answer the questions of why they want to bring crime and here and breed terrorists here to fight in and destroy other peoples country’s.
Really it is just more oppression of freedom.
Ireland has just become much safer.
This topic is about extremists and psychopaths. Hence the SF/IRA supporters trolling. Our Gardai need more money to strengthen the force to deal with the issue of Islamist terrorists, sadly any spare money from our borrowings is lining the pockets of politicians like Lowery to buy suits for hurlers. We depend on the uk form most of the intelligence regarding these terrorists as we simply don’t know who is living in our country, not enough interepetors, not enough undercover operatives etc etcetera. We will pay the price as we are really vulnerable and it would send a huge message should we be targeted.
have your say