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YOU MAY NOT be aware of this but there is a $100 million search ongoing for evidence of intelligent alien life forms.
Space.com has been reporting that the Green Bank Telescope project has not yet found “compelling signs” of alien civilisations but that it is just the “beginning” of the search.
What do you think?
Do you believe there is intelligent extraterrestrial life out there?
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We certainly can’t be the most intelligent being in the universe.
@Trevor Beale: Imagine we were? What a depressing thought!
@Trevor Beale: I knew some silly comment like this would be at the top
@Trevor Beale: Considering how the various electorates in the western world are casting their votes lately i would suggest there is limited intelligent life on the blue planet as is.
@Old Gabby Johnson:
Who were you signed in as yesterday?
@Piotrek Król: Negan
@Trevor Beale: I’m not sure we are the most intelligent on the planet, Never mind the universe.
@Trevor Beale: Certainly not with Trump & Co ruling the world
@Trevor Beale: that’s the Wicklow in you talking Trevor
@Trevor Beale: we are not that intelligent the way we act or treat each other are we? 3rd WW looming closer.
@Kieran Stafford: not silly at all. If we’re so bright how come our planet is in the state its in?
Anyone with any comprehension of the size of the universe has to agree there is alien life out there and that there must be more intelligent, our planet is smaller than a single grain of sand on the largest sandy beach you know.
@The Observer: This is countered by the sheer unlikelihood of life developing though.
@Paraic McDonagh: Not at all. You should look at some of the numbers involved here. I believe the word is astronomical.
@Paraic McDonagh: Paraic, where do you get your ideas from and from what basis do come to your conclusions? http://www.space.com/32793-intelligent-alien-life-probability-high.html
@Paraic McDonagh: The truth is we have absolutely no idea how probable or improbable abiogenesis is because we have a sample size of 1 – us.
We DO know roughly how ridiculously huge the Universe is, though.
@Malachi: That’s exactly my point. We only know one of 2 figures. We don’t know the probability of abiogenesis. I purpose that it’s being overstated. I would also point out that we only know the approximate size of the ‘observable’ universe. Drake’s formula is about as useful as a canoe with a trapdoor, without knowing even the approximate values.
@Paraic McDonagh: life maybe as we know it, but in the universe of things what do we know ?
@The Observer: I have not seen you around before…
@An Observer: Not very observant are you
@An Observer: boom boom!
Life existing millions of light years away is as relevant to us as the existence of the dinosaurs (or new alien life billions of years into the future on a new star for that matter.) If the laws of physics don’t allow us to ‘make the universe smaller’, it doesn’t matter whether it exists or not. It only matters if life is so abundant that almost every star systems contains it. Independent life elsewhere in our own system would be a strong indicator of that possibility.
@Watchful Axe: ” It only matters if life is so abundant that almost every star systems contains it.” For which there is absolutely not a shred of evidence. In fact all signs are the opposite.
@Watchful Axe: Oh, but we already know how to create machines to travel to distant parts of the universe. The hard part is how to create enough energy to power something like that. You would require near infinite energy for it.
@Andy K: poolbeg???
@Andy K: once a spaceship reaches a high speed it will stay at that speed. No need for more energy than say a ton of matter converted to energy.
@Andy K: Not so Andy, To say that we can already do x, if it weren’t for the minor matter of needing near infinite energy is a bit disingenuous don’t you think? You also forget that we are limited by the speed of light. So to travel to the nearest star would be a 9 year round trip. And to travel across just our own galaxy… 100,000 years (at light speed).
I’m not at all sure that intelligent human life forms exist.
@Brendan McLaughlin: humans certainly are not that smartest…I think there is life out there and they could be as dumb as some of us.
@Brendan McLaughlin: You could be right considering 74% think there is
@Just Me: Aliens yes of course , intelligent? Not to sure when you look at what actors get paid today that ET fella made one film and then we never seen him again
@David Carino: I think he works for BT now or something, thought I saw him on an ad.
@Matty kinevan: bet he’s regretting that now
Given the vastness of the universe it would be statistically improbable the we are the only form of sentient life the has / does / will exist!
@John Boy: Tide goes in tide goes out – no one knows how that works.
@Old Gabby Johnson: sure…
@Old Gabby Johnson: It’s the pull of the moon Gabby, did no one tell you?
@Paraic McDonagh: That’s a hoax and a myth and a chinese trick just like global warming believe me.
@Old Gabby Johnson: never go full Trump
@Old Gabby Johnson: Watching too much bill o reilly methinks pal
There’s no question that life exists outside our solar system. We are composed of the most common ingredients in the universe. However most of it is likely to be so far away that we will never discover it. Which is maybe a good thing
@Matty kinevan: Just because we are made of common elements doesn’t mean that life is common. That doesn’t make any sense.
@Paraic McDonagh: Imagine a billion billion restaurants, each restaurant has the same 3 basic ingredients and a couple of different spices. It stands to reason and probability that many of the restaurants will have the exact same menu.
@Paraic McDonagh: Sorry if that’s a poor analogy. Didn’t get much sleep last night, young baby. It’s possible I’m talking shite :-)
@Matty kinevan: imagine a billion breathalysers…
@Bewarethebeardz: you made me lol just now
@Matty kinevan: No. That is the logical error. Life is not like a blend of spices in many many many restaurants. That’s far too convenient. It’s more like a box of Lego with no one to assemble it. Lego that somehow self assembled into a structure as complicated as a pocket calculator (or greater) but with the added feature of being able to make duplicate copies of itself, be microscopic and be self powered by materials in it’s vicinity. It also must be have error correcting and evolutionary algorithms built in. It also must be able to do all this ‘first try’.
The only certainty of existence is the self. I only know that I exist – the rest of you and everything else in the so called universe could be figments of my imagination.
But I’m fine with that cos I like myself and I think yous are all spanners.
When you look at some of the recent images from Hubble and other satellite’s, thats as far as we can see and there are millions of planets, what’s beyond that again??..Its amazing really. Yet you have fools still waffling on about religion, Jesus says this, Muhammad says otherwise, waffle, waffle, waffle!!..Its time we grew up and stopped with the fairy tales!!..
Of ALL the galaxies & planets etc in the universe, that we only even know about, how can we be the only intelligent life in all this seeminly endless universe. Then again if there is other humans or more advanced beings in existence somewhere they probably think the same about other possible life existing elsewhere. We or them probably won’t be able to travel through the millions or even billions of light years to meet each other so way do we spend etc trying the impossible?
@Lord Clanricarde: We need to spread the word of Christ to these pagan spudless fukkers
@Lord Clanricarde: When I look at those pictures, I see the impossible. The deeper we look, the more impossible it becomes. And yet because we can now use science to observe it and describe it, we think that this is somehow an argument that the solution is a simple fact of science (A fact that has yet to be revealed). I say look deeper still! There is something, where there should be nothing. And that something is not only there, it’s virtually infinite and completely inexplicable.
I bet the 14 % No voters ironically follow a religion of some sort!
@Kevin Kane: What a uneducated comment. Herd mentality.
@Nick Drake: Uneducated… Herd mentality… More Irony! Or sarcasm?
@Kevin Kane: I voted no from the other perspective – it’s almost 100% likely that we will not find out if there is another planet that evolved life during the lifetime of humans on earth. Maybe, in millions of years, the radio waves from all of earth’s history will cause a blip on some advanced species radioscope in another galaxy. We will never know, and speculation of it being there is just that – a belief that we are not alone. And as we know, beliefs have no place in science.
@Kevin Kane: I bet your are 100% correct
Life is so extraordinarily complex that it might never have occurred more than once, no matter how large the universe is.
@Paraic McDonagh: what if the universe is infinite?
Eh, no.
@Jimmyjoe Wallace: If the universe is infinite, then anything goes.
@Ian Walsh: Please expand.
@Paraic McDonagh: The complexity is based on quite simple building blocks, though.
@Paraic McDonagh: Science would suggest otherwise Paraic http://www.space.com/32793-intelligent-alien-life-probability-high.html
@Ben McArthur: But that’s like saying a laptop isn’t complex, because transistors are basically simple. Don’t forget that the building blocks have to assemble themselves into that order of complexity all by themselves. And in a way that allows replication/reproduction.
@Ian Walsh: The problem is that no one knows what values to put into Drake’s equation, so the article you linked to is pure conjecture, nothing more (it also surreptitiously modifies the equation BTW). My point is that the likelihood of life spontaneously occurring is being way overestimated for the purposes of plugging a value in.
@Jimmyjoe Wallace: Hasn’t that been proven fairly recently…. that it is in fact endless.
@Paraic McDonagh: True, but with billions of galaxies in the universe, it would be equally improbable if ours was the only planet with intelligent life. Of course, given that we have been transmitting TV signals at light speed for 80 years now, we at least know what distance can be ruled out.
@PolyglotPaul: There’s no doubt that the universe is vast. But my point is, the likelihood of life spontaneously occurring is miniscule. Many people assume that prehistoric single celled organisms are simple in the sense that they are very small and simple. But the reality is very different. For example the storage capacity of DNA is 214 petabytes/gram. That is many orders of magnitude greater than the most cutting edge storage made by man today. And DNA just stores the code. There are mechanisms to interpret the code, carry out it’s instructions and to be able to sequence complex proteins into new cell components (for reproduction). The ‘will’ to reproduce had to be built in. All this had to be incorporated before the first (and only) cell divided.
@Paraic McDonagh: I would say that the entire cell was as complex and specific as a laptop. So what do you think the odds of a laptop spontaneously appearing are? I put it at about 1/Size of observable universe.
@Liam Coyle: I’m not sure about proved? Suggested maybe
@Liam Coyle: The observable universe is not just expanding, it’s rate of expansion is also increasing as it expands. There was no good explanation for this until recent a theory proposed that this may be because although we can only observe a finite region of the universe, it may be that our local region was sucked into existence (rather than an explosion type scenario) by the greater universe(s) outside our local region. For this to work, physicists assume that the greater universe is infinite. Or to think of it another way, the observable universe (16 billion light years across) may be like a bubble in an infinite foam. Google M-Theory or brane cosmology to find out more.
@Jimmyjoe Wallace: what if there are infinite universes?
Just remember that you’re standing on a planet that’s evolving
And revolving at 900 miles an hour.
It’s orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it’s reckoned,
The sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;
It’s a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it’s just three thousand light-years wide.
We’re thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go ’round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that’s the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you’re feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere out in space,
‘Cause there’s bugger all down here on Earth!
Thank you Monty Python.
I saw a ufo zip across the sky while thinking about the notion of more advanced civilizations while driving a few years ago.. I’m convinced they were tuned into my thoughts. As i came to the conclusion more advanced life forms would have to be sentient, as true intelligence is love.. all of a sudden the sky lit up . True story
@UpThereAndHereAsWell: That must have been one hell of a comedown.
@UpThereAndHereAsWell: Where did you get those drugs and can you get them now?
@Ian Walsh: No drugs involved.. Was just another evening driving to collect some chinese take away
@UpThereAndHereAsWell: chinese heroin?
@UpThereAndHereAsWell: Was that the first and only time you experienced sheet lightning?
@Paraic McDonagh: This group mentality is so frustrating. If you werent there you can hardly act like you know what it was. Give the man the benefit of the doubt. I’ve seen some strange stuff myself, if everything can be explained this would be a closed book and believe it or not it’s not.
@IRONYMAN: I was just offering a reasonable explanation as opposed to a fantastical one. Coincidences happen all the time. Visits by Aliens in response to personal thoughts is not a good or rational explanation to account for a flash of light in the night sky.
Why I do is was watching on the telly the other week about a submarine like machine that can go extremely deep to unseen parts of the ocean it had robotic arms, bright lights it seen marine life we never seen.
Now these marine life have been there for years if they came up the presure would kill them they know none of our world yet it dose exist, now imagine the marina life going home telling the missus guess what I saw today or others telling stories of this giant thing with bright lights it just sucked up my friend etc…
Know one would believe, yet we have done to them. When we here a story we say no couldn’t be yet it very similar to what we do to that marina life.
What’s to say we just a rock in a pond of other life and now and then they send down a giant robotic machine to learn about the life that lives down there which we call earth and home. Just like that marine life to them that’s their world and ours is just a myth, imaginey etc…
@JustMade Ireland: Heroin is a hell of a drug
@JustMade Ireland: what does a well-frog know of the ocean, or a summer insect of the ice? Lao Tzu.
@John O’Driscoll: Does a frog in an ocean know it’s unwell
They are here already .
The universe is vast and expanding – our galaxy containing many many suns and planets is one of hundreds of thousands of galaxies if not more – our galaxy in the universe -would be compared to a grain of sand in a beach of galaxies-to think that life in some form was or is contained – solely based on one small little planet – what do we define life set out as and do we really know -when there are probably millions of planets out there is a little narrow minded
@The Red Devil: More like billions and billions of viable planets – add to that the billions of years that life could potentially evolve vs the timeline of life (there’s a high chance we will never make it off this rock and all life will eventually be destroyed by the sun), then the odds are still massively out of our favour. It would be nice, but improbable.
If there is any form of life out there, even microbial, it has to be more intelligent than the majority of the human species
@Mel Finn: why?? Maybe there is other life forms out there but not as intelligent as us?
@Mel Finn: you mean the ones that don’t even know that we are overrun reptilian overlords right?
The probability is low with the knowledge we have currently on the formation of life. Perhaps there are other forms of life we can’t even comprehend yet. That said this subject does fascinate me and I have looked at a lot of information that’s out there and I haven’t been convinced there is anything out there. That to me is a scarier thought than there being other intelligent life in the universe. That would mean we were an anomaly and we are so fragile and hellbent on destroying ourselves and our planet.
Drake Equation says 10,000 inhabitable planets in our galaxy alone, which is in truth a very ordinary galaxy, just as we have a very ordinary sun in our solar system. Height of arrogance therefore to think we are the only intelligent life in this region of the Universe, let alone all the others and potentially that’s infinity minus.
Suppose its intelligence is by definition confirmed by the fact we haven’t heard from it.
@John O’Driscoll: The Drake equation has no firm numbers to give an proper estimation of intelligent life out there. Anything produced from it are just rough estimates.
Close enough for government work though Catherine. As betokened by the ongoing funding of NASA et al.
@John O’Driscoll: Height of arrogance to think that life is so simple that it has a mere 1 in 10,000 chance of popping into existence and that there must therefore much more in our galaxy. Drake’s equation is just that, an equation. Crucially, it doesn’t supply the values needed to support your guesswork. You’ve arrived at a conclusion by plugging in values plucked from the air. Science is evidence based and so far, the evidence is that life only occurred once. Pointing out that the universe is very large, makes no difference. It’s like asking how many balls fit in a jar and reasoning that because the jar is very large, there must be a lot of balls in it, but not knowing if a ball is larger or smaller than the jar. So far the evidence says 1 jar 1 ball.
It’s not that the ‘aliens’ are on different planets but they are in different dimensions.
Those dimensions have different universes just like here.
If there was intelligent life in the universe would they not have found us already?
@Peter Cavey: They probably have
@Peter Cavey: They’re intelligent enough to avoid us.
@Peter Cavey: They don’t have to be close by
@Peter Cavey: ““A sufficiently intelligent civilisation would have positively no interest in us at all,” he said. “In the same way as when you’re walking down a street and there’s a worm there.”. And even if you wanted to kill all the worms, he continued, you’d soon get bored and do something else.
“Maybe our biggest protection against being killed by alien civilisations is their conclusion there’s no intelligent civilisation on Earth,” Tyson continued. “Suppose in fact intelligence has come to the galaxy. Who are we to then decide that we are intelligent? We define our intelligence. Of course we’re intelligent because we define it.” – Neil Degrasse Tyson.
@Kal Ipers: There’s one in the White House with orange hair. But maybe he does’nt count as it’s unlikely he’d pass the intelligent test.
@Les Behan: Yeah, I heard Tyson mention once “imagine Christopher Columbus landed in the new world and on his trek through the jungle saw an anthill, he’d shrug his shoulders and keep walking”
We are the anthill!
@Peter Cavey: No. Despite their high intelligence, they probably haven’t found a way to exceed the speed of light that would be required to surmount the vast distances. Perhaps they have used their superior intelligence to work out that it would be impossible to do so.
@Peter Cavey: The vulcans are waiting until we sucessfully create a faster than light warp ship.
Read “the wow signal”
@Bernard Lebanidze: The wow signal was ‘detected’ in the infancy of SETI when signals were recorded on paper tape. Since then, despite massively distributed computing taking over the job. No signal had ever been detected. Most likely cause = a man made anomaly.
@Paraic McDonagh: Exactly. Like that cheese that comes in a can.
When all is said and done and in the final analysis – Bob Geldoff has a lot to answer for.
We are more then likely children of aliens unsavoury as it sounds.
@Dave Hogan: Why “more than likely”?
@Dave Hogan: Actually, hang on a minute, what are you saying about my ma?
@Pseud O’Nym: the evidence. We built huge structures to honour them.
@Dave Hogan: What structures?
@Pseud O’Nym: Yup, thought as much…
In the vastness of time there may have been or will be many alien civilisations ( maybe even on our own planet). We have only been able to see and have some understanding of our place in the universe for such a small amount of time, and our own time of existence is but a tiny fraction of the age of the universe. It might be that there were vast civilisations, just not in our time.
If the universe is infinite, then the chances of intelligent life existing elsewhere is certain.
Of course there is intelligent life out there. The fact that they have not made contact with humans is proof of that.
Nobody knows,so who cares.
@Pat Troy: The trekies care and believe, Cpt Kirk and Spock can’t be wrong, or for that matter, Bud Lightyear can go to iffinity and beyond, could be something in it.
@Just Me: Sheldon said no way.
I voted yes because there has to be intelligence somewhere else as it is not easy to find it on earth.
Considering how we treat other intelligent species on this planet any intelligent life out there would do well to stay away from us.
Intelligent life does not exist on planet Earth.
As for the rest of the universe, I don’t know because I’m not intelligent enough to know.
Not in the Irish political class……
Only just under 46 years to go until the Vulcans make first contact.
I wonder is there water meters on other planets
Would intelligent alien life be treated with more respect by humans than the intelligent life forms we share this planet with?
Love the way people always say there’s other intelligent life ‘out there’ then they raise their head and look up.
If there is intelligent life then provide the proof.
@Jack Cassady: They’re working on it
@Jack Cassady: Hypocrisy at its finest. You’re always talking about god existing etc. Where’s your proof?
There may be life in our solar system, it’s likely that there will be intelligent life in others. We’ve explored so little. The circumstances in which earth developed life must be replicated elsewhere or different life developed in harsher environments. Our solar system is just one in our galaxy, the milky way. There are up to 100 billion more solar systems in the milky way.
More than that, there are at least 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. Each of those galaxies potentially sustaining up to 100 billion solar systems each….. Yeah there’s intelligent life elsewhere, we’ll likely have used this place up and passed on before we find them though.
People who say with certainty there’s no intelligent life out in the universe remind me of those who ‘knew’ the earth was flat and that the heavens rotated around the earth.
intelligent life out there ?-not going by this foroum anyway.
Yes. I still wonder about an event in childhood where I saw mysterious alternating multicoloured lights outside. Maybe a UFO.
@Rosa Parks: Maybe your neighbours Christmas tree
@Rosa Parks: Definitely UFO. Unidentified. Flying. Object. Now, whether it was extraterrestrial or not is a whole other question.
Check out the new documentary Unacknowledged which is being released in May. Top trailer on I tunes at the minute! Looks to be a game changer regards ufos and the mountain of coverups!
Of course there is intelligent life out there. The fact that they have not made contact with us is proof of that….
Theres v little of it in irish politics thats for sure.
Just a game.
I don’t think so it’s funny how u may know were u are on this planet but yet still lost in space..
I don’t ‘believe’ there is intelligent life out there, but I think it is quite probable that they exist. Believing is more suitable for religions.
I dont think the speed of light should be factored in when using it as a reason why we havent been found or why we’ve not found. Id assume more intelligent life would find a way to use black holes, worms holes and other extreme forms of gravity to travel, infinite energy, im sure our scientists will crack it some day
@Tommy Sea: tho it’s more likely that we’ll blow ourselves up first. Probably any day now.
If they are more intelligent, they will find us
If you say anything other than “Don’t know”, you’re either a liar or an idiot.
@Seán J. Troy: If a question asks “do you believe in……” then yes it’s ok to give your opinion. Otherwise everyone that’s asked the question do you believe in god, unless they say I don’t know, they’re idiots for saying yes or no. Do you believe in is an opinion based question.
@Gary: Do you believe Gary is an idiot? Yes/No. Yes I do.
@Nick Drake: No. Go Gary!
@Seán J. Troy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala Life to exist does not have to be intelligent or from another planet as a few comets have shown.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11049504/Sea-plankton-found-living-outside-International-Space-Station.html
Life seems to be able to exist now even in space?
@Nick Drake: That backfired on you. Idiot.
The Universe could be full of life from simples to complex but the problem is shown here as well in the above photo and that is the way people mix up UFO’S and intelligent life together.
I do not believe UFO’s are aliens but could be optical illusions created by nature when certain conditions are set into motion like thunder balls and static electricity to hoaxes because space travel at high speeds would mean crashing into paricles from dust size to asteroid size and hitting them at high speed would destroy any space vehicle. Then there is high radiation and vast distances to travel.
Why do people mix up life with UFO’s, it is just a reinforced fairy tale in the hope of meeting alien life. Yet if UFO’s existed why would they come here as we are a waring race that uses race and beliefs in order to fight and we destroy our own environment that we live in like a disease. In our past and present we as a species lie, cheat, kill, destroyed whole races and sects of people as well as used them as slaves.
Also any alien race that is so advanced would be an old race or one that has used wars and conflict to boost their technology as wars are the best way to make advances in technology. So a waring race or an alien race to kill us off for food or for the Earth or they could be space nazis or even space Daesh / Isis.
So intelligent life might be technologically intelligent without being socially intelligent, so thank God UFO’s don’t exist.
There is no evidence of intelligent life anywhere !!
@Finn Mc Cool: My dog can open car windows. You’d wanna check it out
If there are aliens they are definitely intelligent enough to stay well away from us…! In any case don’t tell Trump, he will have a fit and try to build a wall in space next…!
@Marcus Tullius Cicero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlYsDossyUc
Makes me think of Trump’s alien hair lol.
Ok so to begin with, there is already the evidence, scientifically, that we currently vibrate at a frequency on our plane of existence so there are other vibrational planes of existence that we cannot see or hear, which increases the chances of multidimensional beings.
That being said, that’s not discounting the ever expanding and impossible universe we live in, quantum mechanics only increases our awareness of the knowledge we lack, so saying we are still learning is an understatement and proves that no matter what we say the facts are that we are in a fluctuating huge mass of ever colliding chemicals, and that being brought into the mix, adding the amount of planets with the life giving liquid of water (which is over 100, that we have discovered….)
And giving the incredibly high possibility of life formulating on multiple platforms among the unlimited (I only say unlimited because the chance of a real number is very slim) possible planets or universal laboratories across the universe.
In real terms we can be sure that intelligent life exists somewhere, and the likely chance that we will come into contact with them is probably extremely high, that’s if they are interested in the self destructive human race at all, which tbh, if I were them I wouldn’t be, anyway, realistically intelligent life beyond our planet is bound to exist, and what’s more, has likely existed before our race came into existence, because in reality our galaxy is not even close to the border of the universe, and that means in the universal galaxy life time frame we are a baby galaxy, and that means there are other galaxy’s trillions ( and more) of years ahead of us, which likely means there are species who have been where we are now as a species, and are now much further along, if they aren’t extinct.
But anyway guys don’t take my word for it…. Look into it…
I think it’s extremely arrogant to assume that in all of the universe out there, we are the o lay planet to have developed intelligent life.
I also think it even more arrogant to think that they’d have any particular interest in us.
Yes it does but not not on this planet. Why do you think they stay away. They know better.
@Paul Mc Manus: They got a STI last time that wiped them out lol.
They live among us. They sue county councils for burnt out toilets. How intelligent is that.
Ara, l think we are as god as they come..
(Subtle sub plot there…..packet of Tayto for the first five who crack the code)
@Rachel Didleu: Nimrod to that… lol.
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