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JOBS MINISTER MARY Mitchell O’Connor has seen a second adviser quit in two months.
The minister’s policy adviser Jim McGrath is leaving his post as of 20 January. He follows former TV3 news anchor Alan Cantwell, who stood down from his role as Mitchell O’Connor’s press adviser before Christmas.
The Irish Mail on Sunday would later publish emails between the two, showing Cantwell’s resignation mail was a terse, one-line statement.
Mitchell O’Connor has appointed Ellen Lynch as her new press adviser. She joins from IDA Ireland where she held the position of Regional Communications, Press & PR Executive.
The minister thanked McGrath for his time with the Department working “on the national job creation agenda and the departments response to Brexit”.
“I am very grateful to Jim for his professionalism, hard work and dedication during his time with the Department and I would like to wish him the very best in what will no doubt be a very successful future career.”
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At this stage, I couldn’t care less, this is getting boring now, if you want to breastfeed, go ahead and if someone tuts you or gives you a dirty look, get over it! There will always be those who don’t like it. If 20 people walk by and 1 person has a problem with it, then so what. I do stuff not everyone agrees with and I’ve different beliefs to others but I’m not going to lose sleep over! Just get on with it and stop with all the drama!
Well said !
it’s breastfeeding week….
Ireland is full of busybody curtain twitching creeps, you can’t let people like that influence your decision making.
Fully support public breastfeeding,totally natural,it’s a pity when it goes tits up because of some nosey parker.
breastfeeding should be as natural as bottle feeding, unfortunately there are more pervs about , than we care to acknowledge.
You will find that the majority who look are not pervs! They just happen to look. So what, what’s the problem with looking when it’s one of the most natural things in the world. It’s human instinct to look. The more women that just get on with it, the better as far as I’m concerned, maybe then the whole look, don’t look issue will just pale into existence. If someone gets offended because I happen to see them breastfeeding then I’m not the one with the problem.
People don’t get offended by anybody looking – of course staring is rude. It is the disapproval that is the problem, and it is strong in this country, especially if you carry on feeding more than a short time (even though the recommended for the health of your child is nine months on breast milk only). It is only when you leave Ireland that you realise how out of step we are, having nearly the lowest breastfeeding rates in the world.
I don’t think the issue here is breastfeeding mothers not having the ability to get over someone ‘tutting’ at them. In the instance here, Dil fed her baby when he was hungry, some people didn’t care, some people said “woo, that’s great!” and other people lost their shit over it. And then the Journal made a poll. Just like other media outlets are constantly bringing this question up, not because they really care one way or another, but because it’s something everyone has an opinion on. When it comes to the act of nursing, most mothers will do it where and when and how they feel comfortable doing it. And, yes, it would be great if people would stop being asshats about it so that mothers who are shy or self-conscious or worry about people’s reactions wouldn’t have to (and they shouldn’t have to) but the truth is that most people will not tut and will not say anything, it’s just the stupid media encouraging a minority of idiots who think they have say.
selfsustainable, I never mentioned anything about people who happen to look in the direction of a woman breastfeeding a baby. …….strange but I seem to have ruffled your feathers for some reason.
Take a lot more than you to ruffle this woman’s feathers my dear.
If you want to cover up, cover up… If you don’t want to cover up then don’t, no big deal.
Bacoxy. A little bit if respect here, not everyone man or woman wants to see Mothers breastfeeding i fir one do not and im a woman.
So don’t look then
Well Von, I’m a man and I’ve no issue with it. My wife breastfed our 3 children and sometimes had to feed them in public. She was very discreet about it and wasn’t flashing her boob’s about the place. I don’t agree with women being forced to go into a cubicle or private room to do it. People need to get over themselves, it’s only breastfeeding.
There’s a perfectly simple solution…don’t look.
Can I just say, I see quite a lot of people say ‘well don’t look then’, that isn’t a helpful thing to say as people tend to look sometimes without even knowing they’re doing it, I did once and I was made to feel that I had done something wrong! I actually was looking at the cute little baby and then realised what was happening, I thought it was lovely but the mother just gave me a dirty look! I’ve no problem whatsoever with mothers breastfeeding. If you breastfeed in public, someone may look and if you have a problem with someone looking at you then you yourself have a problem! Works both ways.
Who’s forcing women into cubicles? The only evidence put forward in the introduction to the poll was one woman being asked to cover up in a public area of a 5 star hotel in London.
It’s a non issue. We all get it that breast is best, so please drop the propaganda
My comment of “Don’t look” is for the imbeciles that get offended when they see a mother breastfeeding
there is also the whole ots hard not to look when you’re flashing it in my face to make a point carry on. I all on for breastfeeding anywhere but it annoys me when people do it to make a point or post pictures on social media to make a point. Those times are to get a reaction and when they do get one they give out about it.
it’s breastfeeding week… the week they PROMOTE breastfeeding
The problem is they have already looked and then they get offended, that’s their problem not the mum’s, I would just smile at the offended idiot and tell them to have a lovely day.
Very true Karen!
propaganda? ?? it’s breastfeeding week!!! the formula companies get to advertise every day of the year my dear!
and yet they say breast is best. never mind the fact the midwives and antenatal classes all promote breastfeeding. Its not like we don’t hear about that all year either! I heard more about breastfeeding while pregnant that Id ever heard about formula. The knowledge is out there for everyone. But breastfeeding protests and popping up pictures to make statememts only angers people. Ive sat with people that breastfed and I didn’t care. A hungry baby doesn’t wait we all as parents know that but I would never think of going to somewhere to pop a bottle into my child to make a point. And before you tell me but bottle feeding is normalised. I had more people attack me about bottle feeding and how I was a bad person that you’d idmagine.
get over yourself von
The number of thumbs down should make you aware that your comment is a tad disrespectful to the breastfeeding mum. It’s not a disgusting act. What is disgusting is people eating with their mouths full.
Then don’t look, putting child under blanket,light or not to feed is idiotic if the only reason is to spare others blushes. Would you eat your dinner or have a drink under a tablecloth because the person next to you mightn’t like seeing it. No you wouldn’t. Most babies pull and play with the covers anyway. And when a child I’d feeding ALl you can see is the back of the child’s head!!!!,
I’m all for breastfeeding but…… , drop the but part. I highly doubt a mother has stood with her baby feeding in your face as you put it. Look if a mums feeding her child majority of the time she’s not thinking about the people around her. She’s thinking about feeding her child and getting on with her day.
I had that too, I breastfed at the start and unfortunately couldn’t continue so I switched to formula and the amount of bs I faced was ridiculous. At the end of the day it is about feeding our children and that’s it. It should not be a “war”
Orela actually I have been in a place where a breastfeeding protest has taken place so yes its happened. I have also been around 100s of women getting on with their day and if they are feeding Ive not noticed or if I have I’ve not cared and why should I…. it’s up to each oarent how best to nurish their child. But those that do it in protest or garner a reaction (because they do exist) make it harder for everyone else!
Haha Dont do it, or do you like people looking at you whipping them out.
@tomeenoldstock. Im a woman and i breastfed my 3 children but not in a public place, breastfeeding is a beautiful thing and healthy for the child.
I feel a lot of these same mummy’s don’t even correct their children they run around supermarkets screaming its awful.
I completely agree Karen ,the “breastapo” as I call them can be very very full on and they make it harder for the “average” mum but there I suppose will always be people like that.
Karen, I don’t think any breastfeeding mother is flashing her breasts in your face to make a point, come on now, when has that ever happened? Babies get hungry, mummies feed them, that’s it. As for pictures on social media, a breastfeeding mum had as much right to post a pic of her child feeding as a formula feeding mum. And yes some do post in an effort to normalise it here, because it isn’t the norm here and as can be seen quite clearly from the comments on articles like this there is still lots of work to do to normalise it.
Niamh at a breastfeeding protest ye know where women gather to breastfeed to make a point. I have been witness to such events so yes there has been women being more dramatic about popping a breast out to feed there little one. If you’ll notice though I didn’t say they couldn’t or shouldn’t put up pictures but if your sole agenda is to garner a reaction then accept that not all reactions will get good.
Orela… breastfeeding IS average. its what everyone should do. the difficulty is you are equating ‘well below average because I feed my child from a box’ with being average. food froma box is a below par nutrition. There is no scientific debate about that. the research is clear. we got boobs for a reason ya know!!!
your breastfeeding protest is my breastfeeding awareness campaign Karen. and we need more awareness. less than 5% at 6 months… and you are giving out about ppl trying to make a point! !!!
I think the Don’t look comment was in response to somebody who said she doesn’t want to see it.
I agree with you Karen. All through her pregnancy my wife was told breast is best by anyone and everyone involved in the maternity sector, every website, all the pregnancy apps. She tried breastfeeding with our son when he was first born but he wouldn’t latch on, so she expressed and we gave it by bottle. This was a struggle as he was feeding every 3 hours, she was burnt out within 10 days and had to stop. We then found out he had a tongue tie so it was he couldn’t latch on not wouldn’t. She still feels extremely guilty even though she did everything possible to follow the recommendations made.
It’s not our role to judge people for what they do in regards to their children, we aren’t privy to all the information. Surely breast fed or bottle fed in public or private doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is the baby is given all that they need to thrive, grow and develop in a loving environment
Karen, And where and when was this protest? In Ireland?
Would you ask other people who have been wronged not to try to make a point to rectify that?
Yes in Ireland Niamh and no I wouldn’t expect someone not to bring attention to being wronged but I dont agree with using a child to do it, feeding them when they arent hungry or changing their schedules so as to make point is wrong. Niamh I’m not against breastfeeding so calm down I just don’t agree with people doing it just to make a point. Breastfeed or don’t do what you wish but do whats right for you and baby when its right for you and baby and for no other reason.
Every time you watch ads on the television or listen to ads on the radio you are more than likely to see/hear an ad for infant formula. It is everywhere and nobody is immune to the marketing. Their marketing jargon slowly makes its way into our everyday life. The reason you hear so much when you are pregnant is too inform you so you can make an informed decision.
I meant the average breastfeeding mum is not a extremist attention seeker, sorry I didn’t make that clearer. Also are you suggesting that I fed my child below par nutrition!!! How dare you! I struggled with low supply and switched to formula. My now three yr NEVER suffered never needed for any nutrition. She eats a well balanced diet and always has formula or no. She is a happy and healthy child. I’m for breastfeeding completely but belittling mothers who can’t or don’t really doesn’t help things.
What’s the big deal? I’ve often seen women breastfeed and I’ve never been offended. It’s just throwback , Victorian prudishness that raises objection. Women have tits, get over it.
You’d expect mums to be discrete, but whatever way they are doing it I’d never expect a mother to be told to cover up – no more than you’d tell someone how to eat in a restaurant, however disgusted you might be by their approach to the bbq ribs! Struggling with a baby can be frazzling enough without adding to it!
Bitty bitty
You’d swear breastfeeding women are going round with their breasts hanging out waving them at everyone. Who cares if you are breastfeeding 99% of time nobody even notices a baby is being nursed
What the hell kind if stupid question is this? What does “covering up” in relation to breastfeeding even mean? Some kind of breastfeeding burka? The fact is that the child has to put its mouth to a nipple. This may, sometimes, mean that a nipple is visible for a second. It doesn’t mean the woman is attention seeking or doing it “in your face”.
Breastfeeding rates are atrocious in this country because our attitude to breastfeeding is atrocious. The public discussion is all about the aesthetics of it (like this stupid poll), and not about the health and psychological benefits. And the HSE’s lip service to it means that women don’t get the support or information they need to help them.
It’s totally up to the woman. She should be allowed to do whatever SHE is comfortable with as I’m pretty sure her main concern is feeding her baby and not the dopes that don’t know how to ignore half a tit or just see it for what it is – amazing. When is Ireland going to grow up?
Here, I fed 2 of my3 babies and plan to fed this one which is due any day too. There’s this thing called discretion. At home, whatever goes is the motto. I wouldn’t not feed my baby out and about if it was hungry just invade I got a dirty look. Point is I’ve fed in public many times discreetly, nobody needs to see what’s going on. Baby is happy. I’m happy and nobody is any the wiser. U don’t need to whip off all ur clothes to feed, it’s not a black and white argument.
Helen you’re spot on there , I’ve breastfed in public , discreetly , no many would have to even noticed that I was feeding . there was a girl on the bus the other day and she was breastfeeding and she had her whole top up and her breast was in full view of everyone who chose to look . that’s her choice and she is happy with doing it that way . for me personally I don’t think there is a need for it . I have a friend who is breastfeeding and never once have I saw her feeding , she prefers to fed the baby in private . every woman has their on preferences on breastfeeding .
This whole breastfeeding issue is getting boring…
it’s gone tits up.Really starting to suck.
They’re really milkin it for all it’s worth
I don’t give two hoot(ers) about it
Has society lostt the run of itself? Do this in private.
No I wouldn’t say society has lost the run of itself, I think society is just gradually shedding its irrational fear of women’s breasts.
Do you eat all your meals in private? Moron.
bitty
Hardly the same thing now is it?
Jenny, do you honestly think breastfeeding mums should sit at home until they have weaned their babies? And FYI babies are not as routine as popular culture would have you believe. They can get hungry at random times (especially breastfed babies whose milk isn’t pumped full of protein). So if you breastfeed and expect to be able to leave the house it’s something a mum must face – hopefully without critics. And anyone suggesting mums feed their babies in toilets should be made bring their own lunches into to the toilet to eat.
Why?
Why what?
@Jenny why in private? just because it’s a boob not a bottle? just because it’s a nipple and not a teat? I bottle fed my child should I have done that in private too? Is it just feeding a child in public you have an issue with?
Of course I do not have an issue with children being fed in public but there is a serious lack of discretion on the part of many breastfeeding mothers.
So now you’re saying you don’t have an issue with children being fed in public, discretion is the problem, yet in your original comment you clearly said do this in private, backtracking much?
Jenny, seriously, when was the last time you saw a breastfeeding woman being seriously indiscreet. Have you ever actually seen it with your own eyes? You hardly even even see women breastfeeding in public at all. This is a ridiculous myth that keeps getting trotted out every time breastfeeding is discussed. Sure there’s going to be times when nipples get exposed when a baby moves its head suddenly, but it’s not intentional, and anyway so what.
Women who breastfeed want to get on with feeding their baby with the least fuss possible – they’re seriously not trying to cause you any personal distress.
never had a snack while out in public @Jenny?
no, sharon asked if i had an issue with children being fed in public in general (bottle fed was the example she gave) and i replied that i don’t. The reason I don’t agree with breastfeeding in public is the lack of discretion. No back-tracking Fiachra. Read it all before you comment.
It’s EXACTLY the same thing! Why can’t babies eat out too? If you have a problem with it then that’s your problem.
They’re just boobs Jenny, I’m assuming you have them too. Just a bit of extra fat and mammary glands. Not dirty, not indecent. Just boobs.
Jenny I hate to break it to you but this isn’t about you! Mother feeding child is about them. Why are you even in the equation or think you should be factored in here? Of all the things we see everyday outside our doors, breastfeeding infants is the thing that motivates you to speak out? Get your priorities straight. Ridiculous attitude to something that doesn’t affect you. We have one of the lowest rates of breastfeeding, this judgemental attitude doesn’t help.
Hope you never go to beach on mainland Europe Jenny, you will have a heart attack with all the ‘indiscreet’ sunbathers.
@Rachel Ahearne how dare you to decide what affects and doesn’t affect me. As a mother of a 12 week old it absolutely affects me. Go and find another band wagon you fool.
No there’s not
I have been surrounded by breastfeeding mothers since I became a dad 15 years ago. All of our friends have breast fed their children
I have never had a good look at a boob in all that time.
Shame really :)
Pretty happy to stay on the aiming to support women trying to keep their babies fed and healthy “bandwagon” Jenny. Name calling is a little odd in this case. We are talking about breastfeeding not issues, like you know, war! Calm down! Not deciding on what affects you, just stunned someone would feel this put out by someone else feeling comfortable to do something natural to them while out and about.
Jenny, I really don’t think your 12 week old is concerned with the sight of another woman’s boobs.
Nothing wrong with other people in a restaurant admiring a dish is there?
Don’t really care… And certainly don’t understand people who care enough object. Would you rather be listening to a screaming baby?
Lots of people saying do it in private and all that, lots of them women who when it suits them will wear revealing clothes in public to attract the gaze of others. Again grow up Ireland there are worse things going on in public than baby feeding. A woman won’t try this in public until she knows what she’s doing anyway and that means unless you are perving you will see nothing.
Yeah phil like drunken men peeing against a wall.
It’s actually irrelevant if someone think a woman should cover up while breastfeeding because the law protects a women’s right to feed her child wherever she wants. There is no clause in the law that states she can feed where she wants as long as no one catches a glimpse of a bit of boob. If some member of the public is so worried they might see a woman’s breast then I suggest they stop looking in the direction of them. Running a poll like this is completely pointless.
The most natural thing to do, if the baby is hungry why don’t feed him/her, no matters where you are, babies don’t understand if you are in public or at home, just feed them whether you cover yourself or not is no one else’s business( just feed the baby)
What I don’t get is why so many Irish midwives often end up advising people to bottle feed. I know someone who was breastfeeding successfully for the first couple of days and was then told she’d need to decide whether or not to bottle feed “before her milk comes in”. Seriously? As if there’s some irreversible change that happens when their milk comes in.
Most Irish midwives and district nurses have no idea about breastfeeding. There are a few that are more informed and helpful, but they’re a rare breed.
The HSE’s attitude to supporting breastfeeding is to put up a few posters saying “breast is best” then let the formula companies leave free formula bottles on the end of bed of new mums in the maternity hospitals.
Apart from the fact that you very rarely see anything when a child is being fed if you do see anything it’s just a breast. Nothing to be afraid of.
What’s all the fuss about – women have been breast feeding since humans first appeared on this earth. Its a woman’s choice whether she breast feeds or bottle feeds. If seeing a woman breast feed her child causes you a problem then just look the other way.
Unacceptable pole. It is a disgrace that this question should be even asked. a baby’s feeding schedule is not up for discussion. Shame on you.
Slightly fascist of you to tell people what they should or should not discuss, no?
No problem with women brestfeeding in public I do however have a problem with some mothers who go on to mums net Facebook to tell other mothers how they should feed their child . Step away from social media and feed your child how you want them and stop telling other women how to raise their children . Being a mother is hard enough as soon as your children are born you already think your not doing enough with the added pressure of fellow women telling you if you can’t or don’t brestfeed you are destroying your child’s life .
I agree that people should never “tell” anyone how to raise their children but I think a lot of the time, if a mother posts something positive about breastfeeding its instantly taken to be an attack on those who didn’t. Just because I breastfeed and am proud of it, doesn’t mean that I think you’re doing anything wrong.
Should men cover up their man boobs?
@Mr B Don’t feel embarrassed, let them out there, besides it means more action for us guys without moobs.
Perhaps if we didn’t demonize women’s nipples in the first place this wouldn’t be such an issue. Everyone has nipples! Why does a woman have to cover hers?
Biology.
Please clarify Jack.
Men are capable of getting “breast” cancer, they have nipples and some of them have sizeable “moobs”, so how exactly is biology the answer?
Why is this question being asked? The law protects the nursing mother, thankfully. End of discussion.
2015 and a poll on how a woman should use her body. Voting on how much she skin she should or shouldn’t show ( only while feeding a baby mind you, apparently nothing for when she dares to put on a bikini ). What a small minded and ridiculous poll.
I breastfed my 3 children for over 1.5 years each. I fed them every time they needed it no matter where we were (even in mass once!) People often looked but never once did anyone ever say anything to me. People saying mothers should cover their babies while breastfeeding because they don’t want to see it should just not look!! Yes our breastfeeding rates are very low and yes that’s a pity but it is a mothers choice how she feeds her baby. Be it breast or bottle no mother should be made feel guilty about her choice. Education, support and encouragement are what’s needs to increase our breastfeeding rates and if after all this a mother decides to bottle feed then that’s her decision and should be respected. We are, mostly, all doing our best for our children and every parent is different so we should just respect each other’s decisions and get on with our own lives.
How dare you guys even run a poll like that. Its beyond sexist even to suggest we should cover up. Would you run the same headline about a bottle feeding mother. Disgraceful.
You need to untwist your knickers there love, you’ll cut off your blood supply.
No they shouldn’t but that doesn’t mean they should be on TV doing it…
Why? did it offend you did you see something I didn’t – I saw a mum feeding her baby end of.
Well that’s your opinion Sharon, I’d like to hear from the 17 other viewers.
Are you sure they had that many? That’s good going for them, must have caused a ratings spike!
If you want to put on a show of feeding your kid in public or on television, go ahead, it’s a free country but at least be honest about your motives. You’re almost certainly doing it for attention and / or because you assume we’ll be shocked.
…. Or because you want to feed a hungry child and happen to enjoy leaving the house !? Not everything is about you.
Couldn’t care less about it. I just get bothered by the tiny minority who go out of their way to irritate people. Like breastfeeding in a pub or restaurant. I don’t care that you are breastfeeding, I care that you have a baby somewhere it shouldn’t be to make a statement.
Babies can be fed legally anywhere the mother is legally entitled to be. Nobody is trying to irritate anybody, they’re just feeding their babies and getting on with their day. Honestly, you’re not even on their radar, you’re not that important.
So babies shouldn’t be in restaurants then?
Uh huh yeah. I’m sure that is the case, sweetheart.
It still doesn’t acknowledge the point that babies and young children shouldn’t be brought to pubs and restaurants that don’t specifically cater to children. I see it in my local often enough. Nearly every Sunday there is a woman raging with a baby hanging off her breast about the fact she is not allowed into the establishment because of the no under 18s policy. Usually screaming about being anti-breast feeding or sexist.
Would you rather listen to my baby scream her head off while you’re eating your meal then? Because that’s what happens when you don’t feed a hungry baby!
I would rather you had the good sense and decency not to impose your baby on other people who are trying to enjoy themselves while out for a meal or drink.
There are places like McDonalds or Whetherspoons for people who want to have a drink and some food with the kid at the weekend.
so basically you’re using whetherspoons as an example if a pub that is ok for children to be in because you don’t drink there ! children can go to any other restaurant or pub that you are not in
I don’t know, personally I don’t think children should be in any place that is mostly about adults consuming alcohol.
I’ve only ever been in Whetherspoons in airports but it seems like the kind of place that is suited to children screaming crying and running around. Same with McDs or other family friendly restaurants.
I won’t name the local I drink in for fear of some sort of campaign set out against it but it is probably the most popular pub in the area even though it doesn’t serve food. It doesn’t serve food so that they can legally ban children from the premises. People are obviously very happy with that considering how busy the place is.
I just don’t think parents should bring children to non-family friendly places. I don’t really care about breastfeeding. Its entirely normal and natural. I don’t have children yet but I would hope my partner considers it over formula mixtures.
I’m pretty sure your story about the raging woman with the baby hanging of her breast is BS.
If you have no problem with breastfeeding and your problem is with children in general in pubs then hold your comments until that poll eh?
You are entitled to question the legitimacy of it. This is the internet after all where anyone can say anything without verification.
However it still happens genuinely, maybe not every week but more than occasionally. I would name the pub but I really don’t want it ruined by a twitter slacktivist campaign.
My opinion is entirely legitimate in regards to the poll. I don’t have a problem with women breastfeeding publicly at all, I think it is to be encouraged. I just don’t like them bringing their child into a place for drink or feed so to speak while I am having a feed or drink. I don’t like hearing screaming babies etc.
You are free however to not read my comments and move along if they bother you as much as they seem to.
I wonder what damage Stephen’s mother did to him when he was weaned? He probably got both the boot and the bottle. Tsk tsk.
Ah look its my stalker. Would you not even take a rest on Sunday Cork Lad? I mean I know there isn’t much difference between Sunday and any other day of the week for your kind but at least respect the tradition of it.
“Some find pompous cute,,, now I’m off to the pub for supper, seeing how you (indirectly) support me, all’s I can say is thanks master!”
Not to worry about it all lad. Enjoy.
Tanks for the fine meal Stephen. I’ll be thinking of you whilst you are working and I’m having a laugh in my lair. Now just who is the slave in this scenario. LOL.
“So babies shouldn’t be in restaurants then?”
Family restaurants are fine, but Uncle Arnie does not need to hear little brats squealing when he’s entertaining the ladies.
Not this again! Unless it’s me they’re trying to breastfeed, I couldn’t give a fig!
On plane yesterday and 2 mums breastfeeding during flight
I think it’s fantastic
Steward on board just insisted baby was strapped in but everyone around very supportive and not embarrassed
On a flight with babies – you pulled the short straw!
Why should I cover up when I’m taking a shit? isn’t that natural too?
Seriously? You’re trotting that ridiculous line out? Think about how much of a stupid comparison it is. The difference between feeding and shitting. The difference between breasts and anuses. The difference between milk and faeces. The difference between nutrition and contamination. I can’t believe someone would have to point it out to you.
Both are natural.
Dime bar. Dime bar.
It’s a silly argument as already pointed out. A baby eating is as natural as an adult eating, that is the only comparison.
I’m all for breastfeeding, have zero issues with it and no one should have to cover up.. BUT! The women does need to be reminded that when the child is finished there will be people who’ll be looking a nip shot for jollys, if they’re content with that possibility then don’t cover up.
I think men need to be reminded that breasts have other functions that have nothing to do with them or their gaze or satisfaction.
hey, equal rights and all, there’ll be women looking too.
Why do people’s gander always get up when people do what is the most natural thing that comes to the human race???? People are more worried about discretion than they are about people themselves. let’s face breastfeeding a baby is the most natural thing a mother can do for her child. Peeing/ pooing regardless of it being in public or private is a natural body function for EVERYBODY on the planet and that goes for sex. I think in about 50 yrs time subjects like this may not even come up in conversation only in history books. No matter where in the world you come from or what your back ground is you pee, poo, bleed, sweat, laugh,cry and feel pain and joy just like all 7 billion others on this re earth. So all those who have a PROBLEM with the natural course of things get a bloody life and mind your own business if your not happy with it or move to the moon where there’ll not one there to bother you!
Journal, what will your next poll be on? Should members of the Traveller community be allowed in public places? Should black children be allowed to attend school with white children? The legislation that prevents that type of discrimination is the same legislation that protects breastfeeding women from discrimination and harassment. What are you trying to achieve with this poll?
There should be special cordoned off areas in public places where women who want to engage in that sort of anti social activity can go.
Nothing worse than sitting in a nice restaurant enjoying your meal when some complete stranger whips them out and starts sucking the offspring.
Show some courtesy to your fellow citizens. Take it to the restroom.
Thanks.
Next thing people will be arguing that having sex in public is ‘Completely Natural’ and if anyone has a problem with their children being exposed to a couple banging each other away on the table opposite then they can simply tell their kids ‘Look Away’ now children – they’ll be finished in a few minutes’.
Look Away?
Where does that end then?
If society adopted that approach to every situation where indecency is involved animalistic behaviour would soon be the norm in public.
How bout:
Sorry love, I was here first – do us all a favour -you take it away somewhere private- thanks ever so much.
@Jack- I read your first line, I stopped there! feeding and nurturing your child is not an anti social activity.
I really don’t understand how you think a baby eating is the same as sexual intercourse. you have some serious issues that need working on pronto.
I didn’t say it was the same.
But it could potentially fall under the category of the right to ‘personal freedom’.
How far does this ‘Look Away’ go?
Where’s the limits?
Does society as a whole decide or will we leave it to the individual to decide where the line in the sand is?
But it doesn’t fall under the same category breasts are mammary glands that have been designed by nature to fed and nuture our young. If a woman is comfortable feeding her child in public then she is protected by law to do so. She does not have to worry about someone getting all bothered that they may God forbid catch a glimpse of a nipple. All that mother should be concerned with is making sure her child is fed. it’s people like you that stress out first time mothers and put them off breastfeeding and for that you should be ashamed of yourself
I honestly can’t believe I just read that babbling pile of illogical clap trap.
Breastfeeding is not anti social behaviour. And public sex acts are at present illegal. Comparing the two is just as idiotic as the excretion argument.
If you don’t object to a child being bottle fed then you have no valid reason for objecting to a child being breastfed – outside of your objectification of women’s breasts as something other than their biological function.
‘Objectification of women’s breasts as something other then their biological function’
So Shanti.
You see yourself as a cow. Is that it?
Why a cow? I mean, yes, they feed their young with milk but so does pretty much any other female mammal, which we are classified as.
These tissues have a biological function and that is to feed the young. The fact that they are seen as an object of desire is secondary to that fact. Your point still makes absolutely no sense.
Jack, tell us this, do you fancy eating your meal in a dirty rest room? I guess the answer here is no, so why then try and force a child to have to eat in such a place.
This is a joke. Breastfeeding is the most natural thing in the world. It’s a breast, that is what they are for, if you have narrow minded people out there that is their issue not the poor hungry baby.
If a baby needs to feed then he/she should be fed no matter where they are.
They really do have their finger on the pulse…
Yes they should cover up its too much temptation to look when someone has a tit out!
Ah the men can’t control themselves argument. Good one, same one used to blame rape victims for getting raped.
Also the argument for the Burka.. Well done.
No whom are we to control what a mother wants to do for her child it’s a natural thing!! How the hell can it be seen as shameful! All women have breasts they are there for a purpose the main purpose is feeding their baby not for men to stare at and desire! The reason men are attracted to women with big breasts is that they would be good candidates to have a family with its evolution! Stop trying to criminalise something so natural
“The reason men are attracted to women with big breasts”
Speak for yourself, I like them perky. Big, flabby ones are disgusting.
I think this brings the ridiculousness of breast V bottle argument to light,
http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/world-breastfeeding-week-08052015-formula-fermont-fotografie/?scid=fb_wall_us
Breastfeeding in public is fine, but cover up ladies, no one wants to see your saggy tits.
Now if the young ladies who haven’t had children want to get their titties out, Uncle Arnie has no problem with that.
as a person that works in a restaurant I have to deal with it while I am trying to get an order it is very strange :/
Pissing is completely natural as is sex! But you don’t do it in public
But we don’t all stay at home to have lunch. Apples and oranges argument there!
‘suckling’
It’s not for us to say, it’s for the woman breastfeed, her decision to cover up or not. I’ve no issue with it either way as it doesn’t impact me in any way.
If you don’t like seeing someone breastfeed then look away…simples.
Sure who doesnt like beewwbs!
I say bring it on!! The more boobs i can stare at the better!! Love a bit of boob so i do!!
Yes
asking for trouble that, the freaks that walk my streets!! oh my
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