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Kevin McCarthy speaks to reporters hours after he was ousted as speaker of the house J Scott Applewhite/AP/PA Images

'Be careful what you wish for': Both Republicans and Democrats may live to regret axing speaker

The ousting of speaker Kevin McCarthy is seen as a “big victory” for the hard-right, but at what cost?

KEVIN MCCARTHY WAS axed as Speaker of the US House of Representatives last night in an unprecedented move that signals deep divisions in the Republican Party.

The dramatic events mark the first time in the House’s 234-year history that a speaker was ousted.

Democrats wanted McCarthy gone but it was one of his own party members, Matt Gaetz, who forced the vote to happen.

Gaetz, a Trump loyalist from Florida, and a number of other far-right Republicans accused McCarthy of a string of broken promises and were furious at his cooperation with Democrats.

Gaetz gambled that he could oust McCarthy with just a few Republicans, helped by Democrats who wanted to see McCarthy gone after he recently opened a highly politicised impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden.

The effort succeeded, by 216 votes to 210, plunging the Republican-controlled House into chaos.

McCarthy’s ousting came just days after the House and Senate passed a measure to avert a costly government shutdown — both with big bipartisan majorities — by extending federal funding through to mid-November.

Conservatives were furious, seeing their chances dashed for forcing massive budget cuts.

They accused McCarthy of a flip-flop, saying he’d promised an end to hastily prepared stopgap legislation, hammered out with the support of the opposition, and a return to budgeting through the committee process.

For their part, a number of Democrats labelled McCarthy as “untrustworthy”.

Congressional Progressive Caucus chairwoman Pramila Jayapal, a leading leftist, vowed to let Republicans “wallow in their pigsty of incompetence” rather than rescue the speaker.

McCarthy, who was only in the role for nine months, accused Gaetz of having a personal vendetta against him because he refused to intervene in a congressional investigation into Gaetz’s conduct.

The House ethics committee is leading an ongoing inquiry into Gaetz over allegations of sexual misconduct, including sex trafficking and sex with a minor, illicit drug use and misuse of campaign funds.

Screenshot 2023-10-04 11.00.17 Matt Gaetz answers questions from members of the media earlier this week Jacquelyn Martin / AP/PA Images Jacquelyn Martin / AP/PA Images / AP/PA Images

Speaking after his ejection, McCarthy said: “I ended up being the 55th speaker of the House — one of the greatest honors. I loved every minute.

“And the one thing I will tell you is doing the right thing isn’t always easy, but it is necessary. I don’t regret standing up for choosing governance over grievance.”

Gaetz last night said: “The reason Kevin McCarthy went down today is because nobody trusts Kevin McCarthy. [He] has made multiple contradictory promises, and when they all came due, he lost.”

Suffice to say, it’s a mess.

Regrets on both sides?

McCarthy’s ousting laid bare the chaotic levels of infighting among Republicans heading into the 2024 presidential election, with its likely candidate Donald Trump making history of his own as the only former or sitting president to face criminal indictment.

So, what does last night’s historic vote mean for the Republican Party and, indeed, the Democrats?

Larry Donnelly, The Journal’s political columnist, said both parties may live to regret ousting McCarthy despite their grievances with him.

“From the outset, it’s unexpected. I didn’t think this was going to happen, if you said to me a week ago this would happen I would have been very surprised.

Partly because I didn’t anticipate the Democrats voting en masse in agreement with Matt Gaetz, arguably the most radical and ethically-challenged member of the House Republicans.

Republican hardliners had tried doggedly to block McCarthy from getting the job back in January, forcing him to go through 15 rounds of votes until he finally made enough concessions to appease them and win approval.

McCarthy had such a narrow majority that his tenure as speaker was always “on shaky ground”, Donnelly explained.

“The reality is that the majority is so narrow that it made his position, ultimately, untenable. The big concession he had to make to get elected speaker was he had to say, ‘Look, just one person can make a motion to vacate the speakership’. So he was going to be on shaky ground from day one.”

‘A poisoned chalice’

Focus has now turned to who will replace McCarthy.

“It’s a poisoned chalice,” Donnelly stated, noting that whoever succeeds McCarthy will also have “really, really difficult” time dealing with the hard-right caucus.

“That person’s job is going to be pretty tough as well because he or she has to placate those people on the hard right,” Donnelly said. 

So it’s not a good day for the Republican Party, it’s not a good day for the Congress, it’s not a good day for American politics. It’s really a sad state of affairs.

The election of a new speaker could be contentious and involve several rounds of voting like it did for McCarthy back in January.

“The problem with trying to figure out the motives of some of those on the hard right is they actually don’t care.

“They really don’t care about the longer term political repercussions, but you would think that what they would do is, behind closed doors, reach some sort of settlement around who they can propose as the nominee, who is somebody that’s palatable to all sides,” Donnelly said. 

House Majority Leader Steve Scalise from Louisiana has emerged as the favourite to replace McCarthy, but the fact he is currently receiving treatment for cancer could complicate matters.

“Scalise for a whole range of reasons would seem to me to make the most sense, because Gaetz et al have said that he’s acceptable to them, and he’s reasonably well liked across the party,” Donnelly explained.

He added that someone like Patrick McHenry – who was put in place as acting speaker last night – could temporarily fill the role in a bid to appease different factions.

Screenshot 2023-10-04 13.36.41 Patrick McHenry talks to reporters hours before Kevin McCarthy was ousted Mark Schiefelbein / AP/PA Images Mark Schiefelbein / AP/PA Images / AP/PA Images

“What could happen – and this has been floated because of the health issues – is the idea that they might appoint somebody as almost a caretaker speaker, for instance, Patrick McHenry… On the understanding that effectively Steve Scalise, once his cancer treatment has finished, he will take the job.”

Other names that have been mentioned in terms of a new speaker include House Majority Whip Tom Emmer and Elise Stefanik, a representative from New York.

Regardless of who is chosen, Republicans need to get a move on if they want to avoid a government shutdown.

“They need to get something in motion because the government’s only funded until November 17th. So they need to get something in train really quickly,” Donnelly said.

Election next year

In terms of the division in the Republican Party, Donnelly said it will be interesting to see how Trump will respond to last night’s developments.

The former president remains the favourite to get the Republican nomination for the presidential election next year.

“Trump is still odds-on favourite to be the nominee. How he plays this will be interesting to watch and, indeed, how the other Republican candidates for president react to all this will be interesting to see.”

McCarthy’s ousting is seen as a “big victory” for the hard-right, Donnelly said, but many people in the Republican Party don’t want to be aligned with Gaetz.

Let’s face it, he is still under investigation for sex trafficking. I mean, this is not someone they want to have as the de facto leader of the party on Capitol Hill. So I think some very difficult conversations are going to unfold.

“I think the extent to which Gaetz and that crowd have big, massive support among the grassroots, I’m just not so sure about that. I think they are kind of an isolated band. Of course, Republican presidential candidates are going to have to be responsive to them, but I think that they have a tricky tightrope to walk.”

Donnelly noted that some high-profile Republicans who have aligned themselves with Gaetz on certain issues supported McCarthy staying in the role.  

“I’ve been told this by people in Washington, that Gaetz is a pretty crazy guy.

“Let’s put it this way – we know that people like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, not even the two of them went along with this, which tells you just how extreme Gaetz and the others are.”

Abortion

Trump recently received backlash from within his own party after he appeared to, once again, somewhat change his stance on abortion restrictions.

Last month Trump said the six-week abortion ban in Florida was “a terrible thing and a terrible mistake”, hitting out at Governor Ron DeSantis, who happens to be one of his presidential nominee rivals.

During the interview in question, on NBC’s Meet the Press, presenter Kristen Welker pressed Trump on whether or not he would support a 15-week federal ban on abortion, to which he replied, “I’m not going to say I would or I wouldn’t”.

Screenshot 2023-10-04 13.38.15 Donald Trump pictured in court this week Seth Wenig, Pool / AP/PA Images Seth Wenig, Pool / AP/PA Images / AP/PA Images

Donnelly said Trump’s apparent move on the contentious issue is “fascinating”.

“One of the most notable things that Trump has done recently, we see him moving to the middle on a couple of things, in particular, on abortion. I find it fascinating.

“So I wonder just how he’s going to do all of this. And of course, he has to be mindful that Gaetz is one of his most enthusiastic backers. So it’s not a scenario that any of them really, I think, could have wanted.”

Trump — who is facing 91 felony charges and was in court in New York yesterday as a defendant in a civil fraud trial — berated Republicans on his social media platform for “always fighting among themselves”. Tellingly, though, he offered no support for McCarthy.

What about the Democrats?

Donnelly said it was interesting to watch the Democrats align themselves with Gaetz and other hardline Republicans on the McCarthy issue.

Yes, they had some valid frustrations with the speaker, but will they ultimately come to regret their decision?

“Did the Democrats make the right call politically speaking in voting with Matt Gaetz? I have a big question mark over that,” Donnelly said, wondering why they didn’t abstain instead.

They could have said, ‘This is an internal Republican matter’. They could have said, ‘Look at the infighting, we’re respecting the traditions of the House, they have the majority, this is an internal matter for them to decide. Look how dysfunctional they are, look how crazy they are. Meanwhile, we’re the grown ups.’

“That could have been, politically speaking, very effective,” Donnelly said.

“I think, even though she is not in leadership anymore, (former speaker) Nancy Pelosi was certainly minded that way. But I think the rank and file [Democrats] really gave it to them and said, ‘Look, we’re sick of McCarthy, we can’t deal with him anymore, we want him gone’.

“And so I think that’s why they went the way they did. Politically speaking, how that’s going to cut in the long term will be interesting to see.”

Donnelly said even though many Democrats didn’t trust McCarthy, he worked with them on preventing the government shutdown. His successor may not be as open to meeting them halfway on certain issues.

In a “worst case scenario” for the Democrats, the new speaker could be “somebody that the Democrats can’t deal with at all… somebody who won’t fund Ukraine, who won’t fund social spending, all of these sorts of things”.

“They could get somebody a lot worse than what they had – which was somebody who was distrustful and duplicitous lots of time – but, let’s face it, he did do a deal with Democrats to keep the government afloat, which I think was significant and it has cost him his job.

“It’s that old maxim, be careful what you wish for.”

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:46 PM

    The sooner hook is back the better, he should never have been removed from the airwaves in the first place….. already 2018 looking good!!!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:01 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: Totally agree!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:04 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: agree

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:09 PM

    @billy Dorney:ah the permanently outraged will have to find something else to be shocked about before xmas so….I’m thinking maybe Garda Bands or men having pints watching football in pubs or something ….

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:33 PM

    @Pizyco: wafff wafff wafff wafff wafff… exactly how he talks.

    Couldn’t give a poo about the controversy, but his voice always went through me

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:35 PM

    Hook is a disgrace and the reason men have a bad name! Just shows what a terrible radio station Newstalk is by not sacking him!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:37 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: looking back at 2017- George was kicked out due to advertising & PC pressure – not Ireland’s finest moment

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:46 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: well his show won’t be live it will be pre recorded. This is a good way to keep him in line . No more controversy from Hook.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:50 PM

    @Whoswho: a bad name? You blithering idiot.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:09 PM

    @Pizyco: ha ha, v good

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:14 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: ciara kelly is chronically boring..in all mercy and charity bring back hook..save my sanity..

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:31 PM

    @Keith. Yes a bad name! Who questions a girl that has been raped by stating that ‘what blame is the girl for putting herself in that position’? He is a 1960′s man and should be left in that generation. Anyone who has an ounce of brain power knows he is an idiot and a joke. Controversial to enlighten the lives of people who need to get a life!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:13 PM

    @Johnnie Sexton: No they have gagged him pre recorded so he can’t interact with his audience which was his forte,interesting the character assassins Donoghue and McInerney have now left having destroyed Hook then and their own pile of rubbish went belly up also will never read anything written by O Tool either.I am no great lover of Pat Kenny but he was the only one who publicly backed George on Newstalk.We dare not speak out against any of the PC agendas without being a Nazi,Homophobic or gender biased and god help you if you are a white Irish male.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:20 PM

    @Whoswho: the girl he was talking wasn’t raped though. Retrial pending

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:17 PM

    @Whoswho: can’t whistle at women.because u will get a bad name.we love u George

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:19 PM

    @Catherine Sims: cathartic sims shush

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:24 PM

    @Catherine Sims: Pre Recorded from George.Sad.If George had any balls he should tell D’O'B and Newstalk to stick it where the sun don’t shine.George LIVE is the only way.Love him or loath him.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:00 AM

    @Ciaran Whyte: always…????…how many times were ugoing back to listen then FFS …..

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:02 AM

    @Whoswho: men dont have a bad name.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:15 AM

    @John Cronin: thumbs up

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    Dec 16th 2017, 6:53 AM

    @Whoswho: You said men have a bad name because of George Hook. So men have a bad name huh really ?! Wtf
    And all because of George Hook?
    Whoever you are – you have a brain like a Shepard’s Pie.
    I bet your favourite number’s 2
    About the same as your IQ

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    Dec 16th 2017, 6:57 AM

    @Catherine Sims: no more controversy ?
    How boring a world that would be. “Keep him in line” – my arse!

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:43 AM

    @Whoswho: if men have a bad name it’s because we’ve been labelled as such the cultural Marxists. In a world replete with “vulnerable” groups we are the monsters.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 9:16 AM

    @Pizyco: “they” do but it’s a result of a Cultural Marxist propaganda assault

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    Dec 16th 2017, 4:20 PM

    @Misanthrope: that’s from the “all men are ba@tards “ brigade – usually while trying to make some equality / gender balance argument they completely negate by labeling us decent normal men as having a bad name , it would be like me saying all women are bad drivers or something , once you label the entire gender as anything you’ve lost your argument I’m afraid. All men don’t have a bad name. Some do. Just like women.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:46 PM

    January is perfect. Just in time to melt any left over winter snowflakes.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:04 PM

    @Dj: nice

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:41 PM

    @Dj: very good

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:45 PM

    @Dj:
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    @Dj: : im outraged by the word snowflakes

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:04 PM

    You are missed George

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:52 PM

    Seems like every time I switch on this channel Ciara Kelly is on. Very tame compared with George ..

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:02 PM

    @Alan Chapman: She far too PC for me ,and she has to give it a rest about alcohol

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:05 PM

    @Alan Chapman: definitely

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:10 PM

    @Gerry Murphy: shows the busy schedule she had when she could step in on such short notice and take over that slot , plus sat , plus
    Sunday . Apart from.Yates the whole station has gone OTT with the political correctness ..Then to top it all you have Paul Williams 5 mornings a week ,A man who’d make Ken Barlow sound interesting .

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:16 PM

    @Alan Chapman: pretty lame , she seems very nice person but so lame and safe on the radio , and its all a bit GIRLSTALK anytime ive switched in , same ol whines about equality , pay gaps , gender balance and any other hotch potch of boring snowflakey non sense …. they seem to think because the station goes OFF THE BALL after 7 and is blokey that to ‘balance things up ” we have to have middle of the road girly shit during the day…

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:22 PM

    @Alan Chapman: she is totally boring and so self opinionated l have switched off Newstalk.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:58 PM

    @Alan Chapman: she didn’t stab George in the back at least. She was measured and relatively fair with her criticism. Can’t beat Hook however, really looking forward to his return.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:10 PM

    @Alan Chapman: Williams,,,,, drip

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:13 PM

    That woman is on everything of late and useless while proper female journalists such as Sarah Mcinerney were let go for her. She was in the indo this week about taking her child out of school for a week. Who loopy cares

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:15 PM

    Well said Orla

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:18 PM

    @Alan Chapman: Ciara Kelly just makes me switch off..

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:31 PM

    @John: and chatting about her boobs a couple of weeks ago. I changed the dial from 12 to 1

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:23 PM

    @Alan Chapman: I like her but don’t piss her off what ever u do her way or the highway.

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    @Alan Chapman: why is eamonn dunmpy always on radio and tv in ireland is is a real know it all and knows so little..

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    @Alan Chapman: I wish she would go back to doctoring, too wishy washy George has it right apart from DT in USA

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    @Alan Chapman: call it what it is … bland …. in fact its worse …. its worse than bland.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:48 PM

    Yes , about time , loved listening to hooky on the evening shift it got me all angry and energised to push through those last few hours , Viva la Hook.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:10 PM

    @Chamillionaire: indeed, he is like God to taxi drivers.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:03 PM

    I Don’t like Hook.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:24 PM

    @David Huston: interesting

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:50 PM

    Bring back Dil. ………..Only joking as the global village excludes free speach

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:56 PM

    @sean nihill: Amazed he is coming back….Thought his colleagues in Newstalk had finished him off….If Newstalk were an army they would shoot their wounded. …

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:42 PM

    #freehook

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:48 PM

    @Brian Byrne: #hookdidnothingwrong

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:52 PM

    @Woke Bloke: #couldntagreemore#F*ckthePCbrigade

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:02 PM

    @Brian Byrne: #surethey’reonlyabunchofhypersensitiveeejitsanyway

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:05 PM

    @Woke Bloke: nicer

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:05 PM

    @Brian Byrne:yep

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:14 PM

    @billy Dorney: #youforgotyour#

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:53 PM

    Dil wikremashinghe??? Is that the West Indies cricket player.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:32 PM

    @Dj: you obviously weren’t one of the 5 people who listened to her show.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:05 PM

    No..I’m not happy with this. ‘Prerecorded’ sounds like they want to check what he’s saying before it’s aired.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:10 PM

    Censorship!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:06 PM

    Rarely listen to Newstalk since George was let go (except for Pat Kenny and occasionally Moncrieff) voting with my feet, RTE1 extra more than makes up for Newstalk, when he returns I will too

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:50 PM

    @Charles Coughlan: Yeah that’s it for me Pat Kenny, and Off-The-Ball sometimes I’m usually a Joe Duffy guy but if its crap I’m over to Moncrieff who’s quite funny.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:38 PM

    Stopped listening to Newstalk at lunchtime.. it’s the RTÉ radio player for me.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:57 PM

    @martobaby: its bad when rte is your last resort.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:45 PM

    @martobaby: I did the same. For whatever reason she is hard to listen to so I don’t turn it on anymore

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:01 PM

    He should tell them to stuff their radio station after what they put him through!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:11 PM

    @John O Neill: might do, after he is reinstated

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:49 PM

    George Hook should be off the airwaves because he is a terrible broadcaster who has not changed his tune since he first came onto radio/television not because of these remarks. Newstalk handling of this was atrocious and the reluctance in this country to debate this hot topic for fear of the PC brigade really irks me.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:30 PM

    @Maxwell: Absolutely. But this has nothing to do with ‘PC’. It has everything to do with the fact that the guy has never said anything of interest in his entire career. Predicatable, boring. Complete rubbish. Jesus, would you listen to him if he was at the bar next to you?

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:28 PM

    @Maxwell: right on chap jolly good.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:41 PM

    at least there is somthin to look forward to in Jan.Always love listening to him and that cranky but alluring voice .

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:59 PM

    Looking forward to the return of G Hook.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:16 AM

    @Graeme Murphy: as am i

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:55 PM

    I would love it if he turned around and told them to shove their job up their holes.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:11 PM

    @Woke Bloke: good

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:49 PM

    Related, Kevin Myres interview from last week. https://youtu.be/dVIcuu9IBak

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:34 PM

    Have switched off newstalk except for off the ball. It’s just to bland. Yeats is no good by himself.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:29 AM

    @prop joe: yes ,I kind of find that as well

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:25 AM

    Can’t handle Ciara. Despite not being terrible the show has become too much like Women’s Hour on the BBC, last time I listened. NewsTalk seem to be over compensating for Hook’s perceived slights. Wonder what the audience figures will be next time around.
    Would say a lot of people have switched off. PC wins (temporarily) over audience figures.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:28 PM

    Bring back hook ..the voice of the angry old men who remember when women knew their place and kept out of harms way..

    Used to listen to newstalk a lot before they tried to recreate American talk radio bull in Ireland.
    Not any more.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:55 PM

    @Observer: American talk radio can be great! And Newstalk was great but has gone downhill in a boring kind of way. George used the wrong choice of words but he is a good man and a family man and does respect women and to suggest otherwise is pure nonsense. George also knew how to entertain which is the whole point of the radio show, try to make mundane day to day things interesting.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 7:24 PM

    @gregory:
    Didn’t pass any comment on his family or his personal life . He’s a public figure who made his reputation on controversy which is fair enough actually agree with him on some points .

    So I think it’s fair enough to call him out when he gets it wrong in saying that everyone deserves a second chance

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:16 PM

    George got tired of saying responsibility and used the wrong word blame. If people couldn’t see what he was trying to say, well then I’d say, I’ve seen every kind of critter God ever made and I’ve never seen a more meaner lower stinking yellow hypocrites than these people.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:41 AM

    Should never have been suspended. As a society we have allowed ourselves to be controlled by the indignation outrageratti brigade, smugly pouncing on harmless inarticulate comments.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:46 PM

    No doubt the wingers will be back to have a go

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:43 PM

    Here we go again….. Ever notice we keep having the same arguments?

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:06 PM

    What a creep, as are his supporters.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:36 PM

    @Justin Barrett: At least he has supporters. Unlike Dil whatsherface and the rest of the whining PC losers who got left in the trash heap.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:10 PM

    @Justin Barrett: ah now

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:29 PM

    @Dj: I suppose if you can’t get a woman you have to fancy a man, good for you!!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:50 PM

    @Justin Barrett: That was poor. I expected better from you. Try again.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:55 PM

    I wonder if George and Dennis are drinking buddies down at the chaps rugby match….. otherwise there was no way back for him….

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:06 PM

    There is something good missing without him. This crap has to stop.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:39 PM

    Simply cannot believe the comments I am reading here.. nor what Ireland I find myself living in these days…this misogynistic arrogant man should be quite simply off all national airwaves….not a man of this time! His and his pals of yesteryear’s comments are no longer de rigueur nor acceptable to the wider audience…of today. Repugnant and revulsive…in fact!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:59 PM

    @Gearoidin Ni Canainn: welcome to the real world.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:21 PM

    @Gearoidin Ni Canainn: Ageist!

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:29 PM

    @Gearoidin Ni Canainn: You ok, hun?

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:14 AM

    @Gearoidin Ni Canainn: well if you find the ireland your living in these days bad ive very bad news about the future , because idiots like you prefer sanitised safe bland drivel and think that older presenters are just yesteryear’ and you somehow think that because you dont like the opinions of some presenter they should ‘quite simply’ be off the airwaves – and I wonder what you propose for replacement exactly – the more homogenised broadcasting is becoming the more bland safe space and PC nonsense – keep wishing for that so , come back to me in a few years with how tolerable you find the Ireland you will be living in then. Moran.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:28 AM

    @Tomas:….. your sad world Tomas..but definitely not mine…nor any educated liberal thinking person in this country.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:32 AM

    @Col de Gal: ….
    Not ageist at all..my boy..
    There is no age nowadays at which Hook’s behaviour is acceptable….not sure what century your mind resides in? Welcome to the modern world.of accountability!

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:40 AM

    @Gearoidin Ni Canainn: will someone hold H you to account for being a Moran then .. .?.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:50 AM

    @Dave Hammond: they will after they deal with your moronic self first

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    Dec 16th 2017, 6:38 PM

    @Pizyco: What sort of a bygone drivel are you??Firstly, you do not have the balls nor the decency to use your own real name here…but are a ‘small man’ hiding behind a pseudonym??…or small man full of wind but of little or no real confidence to expose yourself ..being the more likely.
    My comments are nothing whatsoever to do with ageism.. These outrageous comments by George Hook..are no longer acceptable at any age.. full stop.!
    I , unlike you believe that we collectively create our own future….not await for the future we are given…too much for your ‘pea sized brain…no doubt!
    You do not represent any man I would hope can influence the future if Ireland…for all our sakes…

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    Dec 15th 2017, 11:41 PM

    Newstalk was much better before it became a National radio station!
    Listeners hardly get a look in now!
    They used to have a good controversial morning programme with Brenda Power but I don’t think
    She was into being PC which probably didn’t suit some people.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:16 AM

    @Mairead Hilliard: its interesting how people get so easily outraged these days and and permanently think that unless your safe sanitised PC crap you shouldnt be on air , and then wonder why the overall quality in radio and media is falling into such band mediocrity….people need to be careful what they wish for , the public wants what the public gets indeed….

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    Dec 16th 2017, 2:17 AM

    @Pizyco: You’re so right. All those victims of sexual violence being “outraged” at someone stating they must share blame with the perpetrator/s who sexually assaulted &/or raped them, should just stop wanting to ruin the “quality of radio and media” for everyone else by expecting “safe sanitised PC crap”, and instead accept that some people can say whatever they want without having to care about the consequences of their words.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:23 PM

    It was his comments not the majority comments got him sacked we are a free country

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:39 PM

    With Hooks gob in a post Weinstein world he’ll be permanently sh#t canned within the week…

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    Dec 15th 2017, 8:53 PM

    “The presenter ended a monologue on the issue of rape with the question “is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger?” – the big big problem with this statement is the word BLAME “Oh look your Honour she made me do it” FFS!
    Bizarre anyone would want him on the airwaves, probably one of the the most stupid, idiotic anti woman statements ever made on radio.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:20 PM

    @Austin Rock: Men can be raped too. You are the sexist seeming as he said person but you default to female. So who is making the anti women statement?

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:23 PM

    @Austin Rock: In all honesty , the word he was probably looking for was , responsibility .
    We’d all love to live in a perfect world , but it’s not .

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:41 AM

    @Austin Rock: nonsense..

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    Dec 16th 2017, 2:08 AM

    @Ken Hayden: People aren’t looking for a perfect world, because nature doesn’t capitulate to our sense of perfection. What some people are looking for, especially in relation to sexual violence, is that the perpetrators of such acts are held 100% accountable for their actions. Some of us are sick to death of wasn’t the victim “asking for it” becuase they dressed/talked/walked/drank/etc as an excuse to share the blame. There is no blame to share. There is no responsibility to share. The responsibility is the perpetrator’s, and theirs alone. Ensuring that this becomes a societal norm just might make a significant amount of people not assault or rape someone.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:22 AM

    @Felicity Hensen: You are right ,but all women would not agree ,were you ever in the company of women ,one of which would be determined to take her friend’s husband and who would scold her own daughter for dressing provocatively ,they are there you know

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    Dec 16th 2017, 10:30 AM

    @Austin Rock: wasting your time Austin. His supporters like to conveniently forget that he talked about her being passed around and questioned her judgment on the night but of course not that of the men there… But he only used one incorrect word apparently.

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    Dec 15th 2017, 7:55 PM

    Something seriou I hope. Odious gobshitr

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    Dec 16th 2017, 3:05 AM

    Hook should have been fired. History of anti woman comments and victim blaming is despicable. Disheartened by many of the comments here. Newstalk creeps me out. I want my media 50/50 men and women not just old white men wittering on.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:36 AM

    @carodeer: yes fired ,out of a cannon preferably followed by that Kelly one and anybody else you don’t like ,what’s your view on Trump

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:51 AM

    Get rid of that obnoxious man.He should just fade into the background.
    He is not important to anybody.He will not be missed .He is a man so opinionated that what he says should be ridiculed at every moment he opens his mouth.Not alone that he is completely incoherent and he Sounds like he has a very bad speech impediment. When he opens his mouth it sounds like he is dribbling out morose cacoughinous mumbo jumbo.Just go away George.Your time is up.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 8:33 AM

    @David Kernan: why don’t you make yourself clear ,we still don’t know what you think of him

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    Dec 16th 2017, 1:29 AM

    So really people actually still listen to radio these days ?
    Even propaganda like DOB FM or FFFGLAB FM ?
    Wow…

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    Dec 15th 2017, 10:11 PM

    Sling yer

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    Dec 15th 2017, 9:18 PM

    Met him once Pig Ignorant (my age) has failed to adapt to modern PC He has to pay the price Arrogant Fool

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    Dec 16th 2017, 12:46 AM

    Wonder who else will Newstalk bring back next?

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    Dec 16th 2017, 2:27 PM

    He should stay away. His views and self opinionated stance should stay with himself.

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    Dec 16th 2017, 3:53 PM

    Bring

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    Dec 23rd 2017, 12:42 PM

    Is it not a better course of action whilst this boorish over privileged sponger is off the air to terminate his contract, radio has got on fine without him. he will not be missed.

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