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One in five students are appealing Leaving Cert calculated grades

This year’s appeals process is very different to the usual system.

A TOTAL OF 12,292 students have sought rechecks of their Leaving Cert results following the three-day appeals window this week.

The appeals are in respect of a total of 33,677 grades.

The window to lodge an appeal opened at 9am on Monday and closed at 5pm yesterday afternoon. 

Over 60,000 students received Leaving Cert results on 7 September that were based on calculated grades rather than the traditional Leaving Cert Exams.

The process involves using a student’s Junior Certificate grades along with the input of their teachers to predict what they may have received if they sat the traditional exam

This year’s appeals process is very different to the usual system and will be based on re-checking the data transfer of a student’s results from their school through the various stages of the process.

It will not address the difference between the mark awarded by a teacher and the result they ultimately received for the subject.

If a student is still unhappy with their grade after the appeals process, they can opt to sit the exam in November in one or more subjects. They will then have two grades – the calculated grade and their exam grade – but the higher of the two will be the final result in that subject.

Students who have opted to sit the exam in November, with results expected after February 2021, will have access to the traditional appeals process when they receive their results.

- With reporting by Sean Murray

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    Mute whynotme
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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:04 PM

    ““I feel sorry for the Greeks, they’ve been asked to sacrifice everything, right down to their underpants.”

    The IMF would scalp the pubes on their arses .

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:20 PM

    They’d hang around for the pubes to regrow and take them too – you have to pay the interest on your monopoly money.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 9:16 PM

    they have money for fancy banners I see

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    Jun 30th 2015, 9:24 PM

    There’ll be plenty of pro EU/ECB/IMF flags on show over the next few days, you’d be surprised how much you can buy when you have the power to create money out of thin air – you can hold while democracies to ransom.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 9:26 PM

    Whole ^

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:05 PM

    We should commend Alexis Tsipris and Syriza for pioneering resistance to EU oligarchy, it’s no surprise that their approval in Greece has risen since their election. They have not relented and are dedicated to confronting the inhumane imposition of austerity which is counterproductive to economic growth. We should be showing our solidarity to the Greek people, not revelling in their misery.

    Secondly, the lingering and repulsive myth that the Greek people are responsible for this crisis is not grounded in reason.
    It is true they have had an issue with tax evasion which was attributable to years of right wing government, it’s also true Syriza are tying to confront that. However, what’s patently false is the idea that this was what precipitated this crisis. It was in fact the disastrous imposition of austerity. The propaganda we’re inundated with about Greek extravagance is done for the purpose of concealing the real reason behind the crisis: Odious EU economic policy. Don’t take my word for it, Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman of the NYTimes conveys with precision the folly of austerity:

    “You need to realize that most — not all, but most — of what you’ve heard about Greek profligacy and irresponsibility is false. Yes, the Greek government was spending beyond its means in the late 2000s. But since then it has repeatedly slashed spending and raised taxes. Government employment has fallen more than 25 percent, and pensions (which were indeed much too generous) have been cut sharply. If you add up all the austerity measures, they have been more than enough to eliminate the original deficit and turn it into a large surplus.
    So why didn’t this happen? Because the Greek economy collapsed, largely as a result of those very austerity measures, dragging revenues down with it.”
    “Don’t be taken in by claims that troika officials are just technocrats explaining to the ignorant Greeks what must be done. These supposed technocrats are in fact fantasists who have disregarded everything we know about macroeconomics, and have been wrong every step of the way. This isn’t about analysis, it’s about power — the power of the creditors to pull the plug on the Greek economy, which persists as long as euro exit is considered unthinkable.”

    Thirdly, it’s indisputable that the debt is unsustainable, it is simply beyond the means of Greece to pay it back. The vast majority of the bailout money provided to Greece was not given to alleviate the suffering of their people, it was predominately used to pay for the banker debt. It’s a facade that the EU are trying to secure economic security for member states and its citizens, the evidence testifies to the contrary, that they are trying to preserve and protect the power of the wealthy. There is a solution to this crisis but that would involve compromise from the IMF and the ECB, and an acknowledgement that their policies allegedly designed for economic recovery have in fact been an unmitigated failure. The way to solve an economic crisis is to pursue policies that are conducive to economic growth, self-evident, I know, not ones designed to repay banker debt. Debt relief is urgently needed as recognised by secret Troika documents, Germany had unsustainable debt after the 2nd World War, due to reparations and we’re offered debt relief which provided the impetus for economic prosperity, secondly, the EU has an abundance of capital at their disposal, if they were truly running the institution in the interests of the citizenry they would supply Greece with a stimulus package which could then be used to increase public expenditure. The investment in public infrastructure would have the effect of decreasing unemployment significantly and would generate an economic recovery.

    Joseph Stiglitz – Nobel Prize winning economist

    “Of course, the economics behind the program that the “troika” (the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund) foisted on Greece five years ago has been abysmal, resulting in a 25% decline in the country’s GDP. I can think of no depression, ever, that has been so deliberate and had such catastrophic consequences: Greece’s rate of youth unemployment, for example, now exceeds 60%.”
    “We should be clear: almost none of the huge amount of money loaned to Greece has actually gone there. It has gone to pay out private-sector creditors – including German and French banks. Greece has gotten but a pittance, but it has paid a high price to preserve these countries’ banking systems. The IMF and the other “official” creditors do not need the money that is being demanded. Under a business-as-usual scenario, the money received would most likely just be lent out again to Greece.”

    Greece should vote no and send an unmistakable message to the EU that their attempts at undermining democracy will not be tolerated. We need a new system, the current one is woefully inadequate.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/opinion/paul-krugman-greece-over-the-brink.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpaul-krugman

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:08 PM

    Really! There was no possible way you couldve shortened that. This isnt an essay competition

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:16 PM

    monty, don’t forget about goldman sachs cooking the books so greece could enter the union so they could then be given a bailout and asset stripped like our water will be. Guess who advises our sad excuse of a government? I hope noonan and kenny enjoy their cushty jobs in europe which they’ve earned in return for selling off their own land lock,stock & barrel.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:23 PM

    noonan and kenny will have to go to Europe as no one can stand the look of them here

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:30 PM

    Read it Sam .. No quick fixes

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:33 PM

    I’d imagine they’ve both been guaranteed high paid handy EU jobs that will set them up for life for their treasonous actions. You should check out confession of an economoc hitman on YouTube. There’s three ways they elite get what they want 1 bribery 2 assassination 3 regime change through military action or a coup d’etat. I could hazard a guess at how easily our leaders were persuaded to do as they are told. The Greek government are passed stage 1(they actually have morals),Tsipras is bordering on being at being a stage 2 target.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 11:29 PM

    i noticed that just watching the papers as the thing unfolds it a tense time i don;t think the greeks are going to cave but time will tell.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:04 PM

    Feel sorry for the normal Greek punter oddly enough just like in Ireland those “leaders” who brought them to this mess have ridden off into the sunset with their large pensions intact……

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:13 PM

    A man made crisis, which is having devastating effects on the Greek people. Shameful.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:18 PM

    An EU made crisis Sanity…..

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:32 PM

    Agreed. Monetary union was never going to work as a stand alone deal. And the callous abandonment of any pretence at democracy (from everyone other than the Greeks) is hard to watch, much less participate in.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:21 PM

    Welcome to the EU, now bow to the almighty currency and live in sustained poverty. What a complete disaster this entire thing has turned into.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:26 PM

    luckily rte and the sindo aren’t reporting on the numbers ,possibly a couple of hundred!

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:27 PM

    ha, I heard 20 or 30.. but they could just be waiting for a bus

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:04 PM

    Zeus is not happy!!!

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    Jun 30th 2015, 10:33 PM

    This lot won’t be either when they here the leaked IMF document that says they think that under their prog. that Greece will still be in trouble in 2030.

    So even the debt specialists in the Troika think that the Troika plan is a failure.

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    Jul 1st 2015, 6:48 AM

    Wee jammin has been on to me to say 5 million people turned our in Athens

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:42 PM

    Just like here a handful have it all.Greece Ranking Name Sources of Net worth (USD)
    1 Philip Niarchos and family Shipping, Art Collector Increase $11.5 billion
    2 Spiros Latsis and family Banking, Shipping, Real estate Increase $11.4 billion
    3 Vardis Vardinogiannis and family Petroleum, Shipping, Banking Increase $9.1 billion
    4 Peter Livanos and family Shipping Steady $7.0 billion
    5 Theodore Angelopoulos and family Steel, Shipping, Banking Decrease $6.4 billion
    6 Dimitris Melissanidis Petroleum, Shipping, Lottery Increase $3.4 billion
    7 John Catsimatidis Telecommunications, Retail, Petroleum Steady $3.1 billion
    8 John Angelicoussis and family Shipping Increase $2.4 billion
    9 Chryss Goulandris Shipping Steady $2.4 billion
    10 Telis Mistakidis Metals Increase $2.3 billion
    11 George Prokopiou and family Shipping Increase $2.0 billion
    12 Minos Kiriakou Shipping, Media Steady $2.0 billion
    13 Dimitris Copelouzos Real estate, Energy, Lottery Increase $2.0 billion
    14 George Bobolas Construction, Media Steady $1.9 billion
    15 Stelios Haji-Ioannou Shipping, Easyjet Decrease $1.7 billion
    16 Socrates Kokkalis Telecommunications, Gambling Decrease $1.6 billion
    17 George Economou and family Shipping, Art Collector Increase $1.5 billion
    18 Andreas Vgenopoulos Banking, Shipping Decrease $1.3 billion
    19 Nikos Pateras and family Shipping Steady $1.1 billion
    20 Pavlos Giannakopoulos and family Pharmaceutical Steady $950

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:02 PM

    The 1% owning 99% is a crazy stat, what have Junkers and Merkel to say about that? I guess they are OK with it, says a lot.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:19 PM

    Chriss Goulandriss could have helped her hubby, sir tony ,out of his pickle.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:45 PM

    Jaysus! You’d think between them they’d have a little whip around, the country would be back on its feet in the morning.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 9:12 PM

    Pontius constitutionally it appears the referendum can’t be stopped. The Greek government may have to promote a yes position against their own referendum. Interesting times.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:10 PM

    There go ‘we’ but for the grace of god …… #austerity is not good for EU, Greece, or the ordinary folk ….. Germany needs to think very carefully ….. If you keep kicking a dog it will bite … #solidarity of the ordinary man needed

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:02 PM

    Dark days for Greece indeed

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:03 PM

    All over what numbers go where on a balance sheet. Crazy. really. As is the offensive notion of trickle down economics.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:11 PM

    “All over what numbers go where on a balance sheet. Crazy. really.”

    Well no, not really. When you borrow money you sort of have to pay it back.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:37 PM

    Not really when the money lender forces you to borrow more to pay him back then one day the house of cards come tumbling down .. It’s simple really … Default .. Enough is enough .. And get your house in order for the future..

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:40 PM

    I don’t know if anyone was listening to Matt Cooper this evening but they were talking about this. Apparently, over 90% of the 320 billion loaned to Greece went straight back out of the country to repay European banks. This debt is completely unsustainable and Greece have no chance of repaying it. Their books were cooked to get them into the eurozone because if they couldn’t get in, Italy would have to be refused on the same grounds and that wasn’t a possibility apparently. Yes, Greece borrowed recklessly but there’s barely any mention of the lenders lending recklessly. The whole situation is a great big mess!

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:44 PM

    wait till the interest rates start to rise, then you will see how f’d we and Greece are, artificially low at the moment but can only rise

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:00 PM

    Even the weather looks worse in Athens!

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:37 PM

    Ever other media outlet is characterising this as a huge Yes rally, bigger than the No rally last night. Even the Guardian- very definitely not a pawn of the right.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:07 PM

    David having looked at several on line media sites including the Guardian, none support what you claim.Even this article states there are several group’s represented ‘yes’ and ‘no’ protesters.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:11 PM

    The ‘Yes’ lads would tell us that there is millions there .

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:20 PM

    Oggie it’s incredible that they lie so obviously when it’s easily disproved. Having said that listen to the lies Enda told in Brussels last week to international media.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:20 PM

    Norman- Go on to the Guardian Live Blog.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:22 PM

    Norman- Try the BBC website.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:25 PM

    Norman- Try the Sky News website. Did you go to the An Phoblacht website and leave it at that?

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:25 PM

    David I already did, why are you making up your own headlines?

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:27 PM

    David my bad, I didn’t realise pointing out your lies makes me a Shinner.I’m done with you clown.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:32 PM

    You remember “Kevin Dobson” ,Norman ? Nice lad he was .

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:33 PM

    Oggie, he was also an unmitigated liar.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:36 PM

    Well now. Aren’t we ill-tempered, Mr. Hunter. It must be frustration. I’ve seen you comment on here a lot. You predicted Ireland would need a second bailout. Nope. You predicted the Promissory Note deal would be deemed illegal. Nope. You predicted Ireland couldn’t possibly recover by tightening its belt. Nope. You predicted the two Government parties would be wiped out by a vengeful electorate. Nope. You predicted Syriza would be the salvation of Greece. Nope. And here, you can’t seem to even click into a live blog and read. Is being consistently wrong why you are so aggressive and why you accuse people of lying? It’s ok. Don’t answer. My interest in what you might have to say is long past.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:40 PM

    Oggie I see he’s reverted to his old person repeating lies again.Oddly enough despite the fools claims to the contrary I haven’t commented to this site in about 2 months.But once a liar always a liar even with a new name.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:44 PM

    ‘David’ I don’t accuse you of being a liar, the tripe you post here proves you are.Now comment all you wish to me but I’m done responding lying cowards like you how hides behind multiple accounts.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:44 PM

    Interest. Long. Past. Bye.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:51 PM

    It’s a YES rally tonight why The Journal felt the need to dig up some tweets from yesterdays NO rally to try the muddy the waters is an interesting question though.
    Check the date on the NO tweets.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:54 PM

    Try looking at social media sites showing photos from tonight’s rally and then if you wish look up the Greek for yes and no.Both opinions are represented at tonight’s rally.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:54 PM

    Excellent point, Denis. Norman- don’t make your apology too grovelling.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:54 PM

    Sorry. Forgot. Interest. Long. Past.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 9:35 PM

    David I think you might have a touch of sun stroke.A bit of after sun on the head,plenty of water and a little lie down will do you the world of good.
    Your welcome….

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    Jun 30th 2015, 11:45 PM

    Well done David, I hadn’t bothered checking the Guardian Live Blog as you had suggested but after witnessing your comprehensive and entertaining ass whooping of Norman I decided you were a man who may be worth listening to and gave it a google. When I did what did I see when I ‘got there’? Why they are as you claimed stating it was a yes protest.

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    Jul 1st 2015, 12:22 AM

    hes the same in winter so can;t use that excuse.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:04 PM

    pro government rally

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:02 PM

    They’ll start smashing plates any minute now.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:37 PM

    And gaying it up no doubt, wha? *wink, wink*

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:30 PM

    #Syriza eyeing up #Deutsche bank. Hey guys if we go hows that 100 trillion junk derivatives is it starting to wobble. What happens if it really starts to wobble. If you dont know you wont know. But Tsipras and Varafokis know they have known from the start. Now the game is up give us what we deserve or we will destroy yere banks not ours because ours are ready to go with the drachma. Hows that Euro holding up ?!!

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    Jul 1st 2015, 8:22 AM

    Dont forget the bond bubble. Our tech bubble might just burst after that.

    I would love to know what he was talking to Putin about.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:24 PM

    Guardian have reports that foreign employers are attempting to force their employees to attend the rally on penalty of dismissal. Democracy EU style

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:08 PM

    The Greek Economy Minister, Taxis Notforus, is addressing the No rally

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:32 PM

    I sincerely feel sorry for themx

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:47 PM

    The tactic by Syrisa government in there negotiations with the rest of Europe boils down to this, your tax payers keep paying our bills or we’ll drag you all down with is. That amounts to an act of economic terrorism cheered on by some in this country for some unknown reason. The fact that Ireland loaned Greece in there hour of need at ridiculously low interest rates with a term that spans generations €350 billion means nothing to the Greece government, they keep coming back for more. At the same time they want Ireland’s hard pressed tax payers to take a wright down on what we already gave them. When is enough going to be enough for these people.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:57 PM

    If they had own. currency then would not need austerity just devalue by 20% and problem solved Not having own currency means you have to devalue through cutting spending by 20% more painful

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:12 PM

    Only 10% of the bailout money was used for reform and to protect the most vulnerable in Greek society.The rest was shipped back out to French and German banks to name but 2.Try reading the Guardians piece ‘Where the Greek bailout went’.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 10:11 PM

    “If they had own. currency then would not need austerity just devalue by 20% and problem solved ”

    No, not problem solved, because then imports become more expensive, and they still owe the debt in euros. For thought: Greece’s biggest export (over 50%) is refined oil, Greece’s biggest import is crude oil.

    This is the myth that is being sold by the extremes – that somehow “austerity”, or more accurately, the matching of government spending to the finances available, can be avoided. In reality, the extreme left are merely selling a different flavour of austerity, in reality, a much more brutal one.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 10:28 PM

    @stephen, Firstly it was 350million not billion, about the same as was written off for DOB. Secondly as others have pointed out, 90% of the funds recieved went straight back out to foreign banks, it was not used to sustain the greek economy, thirdly, the greeks have experienced far more austerity than we in ireland have, fourthly, the troikas figures were wrong, the greek rescue plan was based on incorrect estimates by the troika, despite suffering years of austerity they are now worse off and further in debt.

    Lastly, the IMF is pumping billions into Ukraine, with little or no hope of seeing it payed back, quantitive easing is pumping billions into banks every month, allowing the elite to invest in distressed economies, stripping them of their assets in the false hope that trickle down may marginally aid the recovery, if these billions were pumped into countries instead of banks it would allow investment that would drive a europe wide recovery, savage cuts to education, health etc could be restored, but there’s no profit in that. Lastly if Greece were given the same deal Germany was when it was in debt, they would have a real chance of recovery. Repeating the failed troika policies will not aid a recovery and will only push Greece further into debt while punishing those who didn’t cause this mess in the first place. Remember the Greeks didn’t refuse the deal they were offered last week, they said they didn’t have a mandate to impose further cuts and would put it to the people if they would accept them, a little thing called democracy, Europe walked away when democracy was mentioned, perhaps they realised the greeks would vote again if they “got it wrong” like the Irish did.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 11:19 PM

    Yes million I meant, you think we should wright it of then, perhaps donate more. Do you not think the Irish people should have a say in that decision or is it only the Greek democracy that counts. That’s enough money to build the children’s hospital. The thing about national dept is it actually never has to be paid back it only needs to be serviced. The cost of servicing the Greek dept is lower than our dept servicing cost and most other European country’s as a percentage of annual tax take. Greece doesn’t have a dept problem it has a cultural problem in paying taxes. At the same time Greece expects other country’s that do collect tax to hand it to them and pay there depts and other bills for them. Do you think that’s fair?

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    Jun 30th 2015, 11:58 PM

    @Stephen, if you’re answering me, of all I wrote the only thing you address is the 350 million? What bout the rest? what about the fact that austerity isn’t working, so continued austerity is madness?

    In one sentence you say “The thing about national dept is it actually never has to be paid back it only needs to be serviced” and in another you ask if I’m in favour of writing off the Greek debt to Ireland, sure if it never has to be paid, what’s the point in writing it off?

    Interesting that you mention that Greece has a problem in paying taxes, yet when the Greek government suggested that they would raise taxes they were shot down, because they wanted to tax high earners, apparently it’s only those in poverty you’re allowed increase the tax burden on, those that can actually afford to pay more must be spared such inconveniences.

    How about we give Greece (and Ireland and any other country that needs it) the same deal Germany got?

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    Jul 1st 2015, 5:49 AM

    Mick, tax payers and banks are not as different as people like to think. People can see now in Greece why it was so important that the Irish government didn’t let the banks fail in Ireland. The banking system of any country is vital to a countries economy and no right thinking government apart from Greece would stand back and allow its banking system to fail if it could stop it from happening. This is crazy irrational behaviour by the left wing Greek government. There is any amount of help available to them to keep there country going and all Europe wants in return is reforms so they don’t keep having the same problems. It’s not a lot to ask in fairness.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:38 PM

    Feel sorry for the Greeks probably lost everything !

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:32 PM

    March to fail tomorrow should show solidarity and be about so much more than iw

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    Jun 30th 2015, 8:37 PM

    Dear Taoiseach – instead of a letter (politically correct in financial terms), how about Ireland leading the way and doing the decent thing… Let’s offer the Greek people a no-conditions dig-out of €100-250k and challenge our (and their) European “partners” to actually behave as if we really are all Europeans trying to keep Europe as a place we can be proud to be a part of of. I’m one of the “stretched middle” here in Ireland, but neither I nor my pensioner relations have ever had to face what the Greek people have been and are continuing to suffer. Where is our compassion???

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    Jun 30th 2015, 10:16 PM

    ” Let’s offer the Greek people a no-conditions dig-out of €100-250k ”

    How will a no-conditions dig out help *anyone*? Greece needs to reform whether it leaves the euro or not. Reform is what will save Greece – it needs to collect its taxes for a start! I honestly think that Europe would be prepared to move further on the debt, if Greece reciprocated. There has *already* been a massive haircut don’t forget, and maturities extended.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:27 PM

    The Pair of them in Government should think of emigrating – what a mess for their people. :-((

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    Mute ciaran
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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:32 PM

    Greece or Ireland?

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:43 PM

    GREECE

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    Jun 30th 2015, 7:45 PM

    It would kind of remind you of the fiscal treaty here in Ireland were the government preyed on peoples basic lack of understanding and frightened people into voting the way they wanted even to their own detriment but in this case the government are right and the special interest are stirring the shit yet again. People want change but are never prepared to actually support it. Just sime fluffy cloud change where their masters sure a little itzy bitzy bitta mercy when they feel like. Hey mom we got change we got an extra 50cent in our pocket wohoo. If you wont change support it.

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    Jun 30th 2015, 10:49 PM

    Just after watching Brian Hayes on utv news what a horrible odious man, his advice to the Greek people is to follow kenny and Noonans advice and to see how well the Irish have done by getting f–ked by Europes paymasters

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    Jun 30th 2015, 11:17 PM

    “to see how well the Irish have done”

    A lot better than Greece. Greece are ruined.

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