@john Appleseed: recognising genocide maybe is a start.

@Damien McDaid: The French were never going to allow them in.

@Damien McDaid: erm…gay rights are human rights so no I think you may be a touch wrong there..

@Katie: sorry that should be to wartog

@Warthog: moronic response

@Suzie Sunshine: ridiculous way of thinking.

@Paul: In fairness there seems to be no record of any prosecution against anyone for being gay. Still wasn’t right that it was illegal to be yourself.

@Suzie Sunshine: we still have 90% schools controlled by an organisation, which is headed by a man who describes them as intrinsically disordered and details their actions as a sin. In the last few years we have had a referendum, which although passed, had some very adverse discussions about homosexuals and homosexuality on the national broadcaster including the fact they did not make ideal parents and should not be allowed to adopt. I could go on, but hopefully you will see the error of your comment.

@Paul Fahey: instead of focus attention on the treatment of LGBT population in a exclusive Islamic country on the edge of Europe in 2017 like all liberals and far left and Republican socialists where back to the same bashing of the Catholic Church in Ireland.. North Belfast Nationalist and proud….

@Paul: Can you give me the last example of people being prosecuted here in Ireland for being gay .

@Paul Fahey: Unfortunately people will always have an adverse opinion to someone elses , do you want to beat it out of them ?
The law makes it clear that you can’t discriminate against Homosexuals , the vast majority of people have always been against discrimination .
Suzie is trying to point out , like I have many times , that the real danger to our hopes of progression as a civilization is the introduction of islamic ideology .

@Suzie Sunshine: you’re comment is stupid.

@Noj Nikrub: How is her comment stupid ? She has stated a fact . She even posted that they have shown courage to do what they have done .

@Suzie Sunshine: suzie you know nothing!

@Polly Dolan: Perhaps you can expand on your comment ?

@Noj Nikrub: explain how ?

@Suzie Sunshine: I grew up in tipp. It was relatively without incident, but can’t compare situations. It was still tough and suicides are uncommon for this reason. You comment is at best ignorant and insensitive

@Paul: when was someone prosecuted in this country for being gay ? We have many stupid laws in this country . Did the Gardai act on this law ?

@Paul Fahey: no Paul I stand by my comment. .

@Paul Quirke: where you treated the same as these people are ? Had you got bullets fired at you ?

@Ken Hayden: schools can discriminate against homosexuals, oh dear, that kind of scuppers your whole point.

@Ken Hayden: of course he can’t. ..

@Suzie Sunshine: not a surprise, never one to be too supportive of the gay community are you.

@Ken Hayden: sorry, I might answer for the other Paul if I may. Hundreds of men were prosecuted in 1954 and 1955, but under different legislation, namely indecency with males, gross indecency and indecent assault as detailed by Diarmuid Ferriter. The number of men arrested for indecent with males was 435 between 1927 and 1961. It has also been stated that many men were arrested and harassed by the Garda for homosexuality, but never charged, so no record exists.

@Paul Fahey: Can you give me a link please , I can give you this one from the journal .
http://www.thejournal.ie/dail-teachers-section-37-bill-2480209-Dec2015/
Kind of scuppers your whole point i would say , but I stand to be corrected if you can provide a link .

@Paul Fahey: Without making light of the topic , I can remember as a kid in the 70′s in Dublin being harrased by the Guards , we used to think it was because they were from the countryside and they didn’t like us jackeens .
There will probably be no record of that either .

@Paul: Don’t remember all those “criminals”, your word not mine, spilling out on to the streets in ’93.

@Paul Fahey: So they weren’t criminalized so?

@Paul Fahey: l have absolutely nothing against gay people .also I didn’t know you had to inform the school or college about your sexuality when you are enrolling ? What discrimination are you talking about?

@Ken Hayden: good question Ken, I’d a brief look and found 44 convictions in 1979. Can keep looking if you like?

@Paul Fahey: anything since 1961 ? Look at what is going on over there and this is how you compare it to Ireland?

@Suzie Sunshine: hey Suzie, yeh Ken asked the same question, I did a quick google and found 44 convictions in 1979

@Paul Fahey: plus they can’t discriminate against teachers any more either .. so still no comparison to what gay people are suffering with in other countries ..

@Suzie Sunshine: and Ken Hayden – actually yes they can, the change in the legislation was certainly welcome, but issues certainly still arise, with gay teachers being asked to sign a declaration accepting the ethos of the school upon application, an ethos that goes against and teaches against their very identity. There is also a matter of gay teachers being routinely overlooked for promotion in church schools and if you believe this is not happening then you are just wilfully naive.

@Paul: Throw up a link please , I have looked myself , and just for comparison , I have looked at England as well , and I found this link below . That between 1967 and 2007 , 30,000 men were convicted . I in no way condone anti gay behaviour by the way , I’m just interested in facts being brought to the table , I have a gay brother myself , we argue about politics , but never about his right to his sexuality .
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jun/24/communities.gayrights

@Paul Fahey: Would that Ethos that you haven’t mentioned , also be against male and female living in sin ? Would a man or woman who was divorced or using contraception also be signing something that went against their beliefs .
And Paul , Links are always helpful , so if it’s not too much hassle .
You have already made a false statement of fact which has been proven wrong .

@Ken Hayden: there was 44 convictions in a four year period between 1975 and 1979 but it is hard to tell whether it was down to consensual sex or non consensual sex with a male because it came under the same law . So no way of telling with the 44 convictions.

@Ken Hayden: here ya go mate

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/calls-to-pardon-those-convicted-of-homosexual-offences-1.2837223%3Fmode%3Damp

@Clever Jake: Not brushing aside the fact that two men have been killed since 1983 just for being gay , but I didn’t see where the judge in the Sligo case said , homosexuals were immoral. In the article it said .
”Judge Anthony Kennedy described the events of the case as “truly shocking,” saying that Drake had been beaten to within an inch of his life and left alone in that appalling condition for 15 hours.”

@Paul: I have read the article , and nowhere does it say that anyone was CONVICTED of a crime , there’s a difference between a prosecution and conviction . It sounds like it could have been a problem with the individual Gardai who had their own personal bigotry and used an existing law , but when it got to court the system blocked it . A bit like our Blasphemy law .
Like I say , I’m glad gay people don’t have to hide their sexuality anymore .

@Paul: And thanks for finding that by the way , I realize I had asked when the last time anyone was prosecuted , but had failed to type ”prosecuted” and had typed ”convicted”

@Clever Jake: Nowhere in those two links does it say the judge said anything of the sort , but it does say in the link I posted that he condemned the actions of the two men .

@Suzie Sunshine:
Can you please tell us what comment over the last few days are you referring to that claims gay people in Ireland think that the homophobia they experienced in Ireland is as bad as that experienced by gay people that this article is referring to? I can’t find one single comment that makes such a claim. I don’t understand how you can stand over your comment as it is factual incorrect.

You seem to be implying that just because gay people in other countries have experience far greater levels of homophobia than we do here in Ireland that we should shut up and put up with homophobia all be it mild homophobia in comparison. Is that the point you are trying to make?

@Philip Brady: two

He’s in Riyadh getting some practical experience of the delights of Islamic society to back his theories about moderate Muslims.

Did ye miss the part where in a Muslim majority country homosexuality is legal and has been for over 150 years. Only 25% are against legal recognition of same sex relationships.

@Philip Brady: Tony is here as his alter ego , Dave O’Keefe

@Dave O Keeffe: Are there any laws to prevent discrimination against homosexuals ? ”The criminal code also has vaguely worded prohibitions on “public exhibitionism,” and “offenses against public morality” that are used to harass gay and transgender people. Turkish towns and cities are given some leeway to enact local laws designed to protect, “public morality”.

@Dave O Keeffe: Perhaps you should do some research on this subject .
For example in Homosexuality has been legal in Jordan since 1951 , However LGBT people displaying public affection can be prosecuted for “disrupting public morality”

@Ken Hayden: I understand that Ken but you can’t have your cake and eat it darling. On another thread you’re arguing that Ireland has never prosecuted people for being gay and asking for links and sources but here you’re happy to accept that these similar and vague laws target lgbt people.

@Dave O Keeffe: That’s thanks to Ataturk and the generals ruling Turkey with an iron fist against the Islamic nutjobs. Endogan has used democracy to whip up the numbers in the countryside and generally outside the great secular cities of Constantinople etc to get to power on an Islamist backed agenda. Lgbt rights are on borrowed time in Turkey.

@Dave O Keeffe: I never said Ireland NEVER prosecuted anyone , I asked for a an example of the last time someone was . And Paul Fahey replied with an example , although it was back in 1961 , which in anyones books is a long time ago . However I can find evidence of 30,000 men being convicted in England between 1967 and 2007 . What does that say about Ireland .
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jun/24/communities.gayrights

@Ken Hayden: do show me the proof of men convicted of homosexuality in the UK from 1967 to 2007 please. Your link doesn’t show any convictions for homosexuality. If you’re going to compare try to compare the same offense.

@Dave O Keeffe: I have to assume the Guardian might have better resources than me , but I think I know why they were convicted of an act that men and women would not have been charged with . And that’s group sex .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolton_7

@Dave O Keeffe: I hope that answers your question , as you seem to be the type of guy who answers an answer with another question , never mind answering a question with a question .

@Ken Hayden: homosexual acts were decriminalised in the UK in 1967. So yeah, like I said, you can’t have your cake and eat it. What makes you think it could only possibly be group sex? I’d guess it was more along the lines of the public indecency laws. But hey, whatever floats your boat. PS you haven’t asked me a question yet and why would anyone answer an answer?

@Dave O Keeffe: Did I say it was the only reason ? You really need to learn how to read Dave . And you need to re-read the other thread , as to why I haven’t asked you a question .
You seem to be a bit selective in what you read , a clear case of Kitman if ever I seen one .
I Debate with islamic apologists every evening who have the exact same way of debating as you , Misquoting , only using part of a statement , Answering questions with other questions , whataboutary , logic appears to be beyond most .

@Ken Hayden: you’re talking from both sides of your mouth again. On one thread you’re saying Ireland hasn’t convicted anyone for homosexuality for decades, even while the law was on the books, which completely overlooks the public indecency laws etc and on the other you’re saying that men were charged with homosexuality in the UK after the law was repealed as you’re taking those public indecency laws as homosexuality charges. More taqiyya? You’ve an interesting habit of insulting people for not agreeing with you. You’re always here banging on about how all Muslims want to kill gay people, want to keep women subdued etc and if they don’t they’re not Muslim, Turkey, decriminalised homosexuality in 1858 and had a female Prime minister over 20 years ago. Are they not a truly Muslim country?

@Philip Brady: please tell me where are these millions of people from other cultures you talk of?

@Paul Fahey: Paul there’s none I was joking, we absolutely don’t have a problem with clashing cultures and the RISK of Millons of people coming into Europe because we invite them. There’s also no asylum seekers or migrants in Europe i was lying. Everythings is going to be great. I just want to open my doors, and let everyone into my home, I’m sure once there’s a few random people in my home, everything will go really smoothly and we wont clash. No RISK at all, we can talk about our culture and stuff and are values.

@Clever Jake: not so clever Jake, I could not care what colour people are, but as a country we have an obligation to protect our people, history, identity and culture. And it’s reasonable and sensible to think that way. Europe is dying and it’s going to get ugly, and you sir will be so full of confusion and regret you won’t know what day off the week it is. Fear has its place in human emotions as much as love. Love blinds as much as fear does, and love also has a sinister side. Also send all the illegal Irish in America back to Ireland , they broke the bloody law.

@Clever Jake:

Yes, us Irish are so bigoted, we fear do much if a woman takes off her veil and reveals here hair, the thoughts of a woman driving, or leaving her home without a male guardian to visit her doctor, now the bigotry would go off the charts if one dared to leave our Irish cult and become an apostate.

@Paul Fahey: Their might not be millions here yet , but there are millions in Britain , who could all move here tomorrow if they wanted . If you are not aware of the dangers of that I could help enlighten you .
Here’s a link to some ”average” British muslims , just watch from the 10.15 minute mark . Tell me if you could imagine that happening in a Catholic church .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eLglAovkcw&list=PLkqxdJDwUFJWNiVYXhWTCOct7qGOH8f9d&index=1&t=781s

@Ken Hayden: your fear mongering is getting more and more desperate. One question,its a simple yes or no question. Do you believe that all Muslims are either supportive of Isis and/or other such groups or liars?

@Ken Hayden: “Oh no … not THAT video again?” (yawns)

@Clever Jake: what are you doing for humanity

@Dave O Keeffe: No I don’t think all muslims are supportive of isis , especially Shia muslims . As for the other groups , if you were a bit more specific I could answer you , but then I will ask you for a yes or no answer to a question , and would like a reply .

@Tom Malone: Just the type of response I’d expect from someone who is sleep walking their way into danger .
Good man Tom .

@Ken Hayden: the other day you stated that you didn’t believe there were any moderate Muslims and any that said they are not extremist are all engaged in taqiyya. Do you stand by that? Remember? It was right after you said you did believe there were moderate Muslims. PS if you don’t have to give a yes or no answer to a yes or no question why should I?

@Dave O Keeffe: I think your deliberate obfuscation of my remarks shows you up for what you are . A Troll .
Not every question can be answered with a simple yes or no , I explained to you that a ”muslim” who does not believe in the teachings of the quran is not a true muslim , and as such could be referred to as culturaly Muslims . And that the ones who believe what the ideology of islam teaches but don’t kill anyone , are not moderate , as it is not a moderate ideology .
Now if you can’t keep up or understand what I say , I can’t help you anymore .

@Ken Hayden: first, you’ve never helped me. Second this is the first time you’ve mentioned “culturally Muslim” to me. Third, you seem to be forgetting what you did that annoyed me in the first place. You clear as day stated that the problem wasn’t all Muslims and then a few minutes later had changed that to all Muslims are the problem, they’re either the problem or they’re not Muslim. So when someone changes their own opinion and lies so easily and quickly to defend a point, that is irritating and more than a bit taqiyya. The fact that o was trying to have a discussion with you that day and you just spent the whole time sending nonsense replies while trying to decide whether I was Muslim or Tony would you up. You have no interest in open discussion.