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As it happened: No 'blue wave', no big upsets, and a big win for Congress diversity

The ‘blue wave’ has been dismissed as a ‘ripple’ – but there’s been historic gains for diversity within Congress.

LAST UPDATE | 7 Nov 2018

The US Midterm results poured in overnight. 

Here are the main points:

  • The ‘blue wave’: No sweeping win for Democrats; White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders dismissed it as a blue “ripple”
  • One each: The Democrats have taken the House, the Republicans have kept control of the Senate, and are on track to increase their majority.
  • The Texan race for the Senate: In a shock for many, Beto O’Rourke ran a very close race against former presidential hopeful Ted Cruz.
  • A win for diversity: The first two Muslim congresswomen; the youngest congresswoman ever elected; the first openly gay governor of the US and Ayanna Pressley has become Massachusetts’ first black congresswoman.

One of the most interesting parts of this US election so far has been the huge emphasis on urging people to vote – by celebrities.

Actors Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt, musician Taylor Swift and the Rock are among the US stars telling people to use their vote today.

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Fun.

And that’s quite a significant part of this election: turnout.

Historically, turnout is much lower during the midterms than in presidential elections. In the 2014 midterms, just 36.4% of Americans registered to vote used it – that’s the lowest turnout since the end of the second World War.

It was 40% in the 2010 midterms, and 58.1% in the 2016 US election.

Also, traditionally, Republicans are more likely to vote in the midterms – meaning if we see a turnout higher than the mid-40s, that indicates Democrats are turning up to vote.

There will be a lot of comparisons between this Midterm and the 2016 election.

Right now, it’s expected that the Democrats will “flip the House” – meaning take the majority that the Republicans have held up until now.

They need 218 seats in the House for a majority – at the moment almost all predictions see them achieving that (including Fox News).

But we’ve been here before.

So what’s all the fuss about anyway? Why do we in Ireland care about the results in the US? Three reasons:

  • If the Democrats take control of the House of Representatives (the US Dáil), it will make passing legislation much more difficult for Trump.
  • If the Democrats take control of the Senate, it means they’ll have the power to black the appointments of Supreme Court judges, and control impeachment outcomes.
  • If Republicans lose their majority in the House, it will be the first time voters show their lack of confidence in him – how will he react to that?

We’ve actually explored that last point in this piece > Donald Trump is obsessed with ‘winning’, so what would losing the midterms mean for him?

It’s also going to be the greatest barometer on whether people are happy with Donald Trump as their president.

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If you’re not waiting up all night, here are a couple of key contests to watch out for if you happen to wake up in the middle of the night:

The Texas Senate: Republican Ted Cruz vs Democrat Beto O’Rourke

Fourth-generation Irishman Beto O’Rourke has built up a quite a following and is seen as the first proper contender to dethrone Cruz from his stint in a Republican stronghold. The last time a Dem won a seat in the senate in Texas was in the 1980s.

At the moment, Cruz has a seven point lead and is leading consistently. Turnout will be crucial here.

The Nevada Senate – Republican Dean Heller vs Democrat Jacky Rosen

Heller was described recently by The Guardian newspaper as “the most vulnerable Republican incumbent”. He once hosted a campaign rally at a Vegas gun store. 

His opponent Jacky Rosen is a first term congresswoman who is hoping to capitalise on the strong vote for Hillary Clinton in the State two years ago. There’s only two points between them; just 20,000 votes separated Clinton and Trump in 2016.

This is interesting. The Spanish for “Where to vote” is trending on Google in the US.

As we edge into Oscar awards season territory, here’s a script we could sink our teeth into: Alaska’s two Midterm races, for governor and their one House seat, are tied together by “a plane crash, a knife-wielding congressman, and a common theme: women having unprecedented impacts on every race”.

Oscar in the bag.

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CSPAN, the US version of Oireachtas TV, has given us these handy graphics of when the polls close. In short, we’ll get the first results from the east of the country, and the last from the west.

The first polls in Indiana and Kentucky have now closed.

Quick recap on the US Congress before results start pouring in:

The House of Representatives has 435 seats, and the Republicans have the majority currently. The Democrats need to retain the 193 seats they have, and win an extra 24 seats to overturn that. They’re expected to get an increase between 30-35 seats.

The Senate has 100 seats, but there are just 35 seats available in this Midterm, and 26 of those were held by the Dems, with 9 held by Republicans. 

Another bit of info for ya: 10 of those 26 Democratic seats are in states that Trump won in 2016 election. So the Republicans are expected to hold their majority in the Senate – and possibly increase it by two seats.

Fianna Fáil Senator Lorraine Clifford-Lee has asked when we’ll know if the Democrat candidate running for a Senate seat in Texas, Beto O’Rourke, has won.

Polls close in Texas at 8pm, or 1am Irish time. If Republican Ted Cruz keeps the lead he’s had in the polls, we won’t be waiting long for a result.

As we wait for the first few results to pour in, and what they might mean, here’s an interesting insight into what is influencing people’s vote: a significant 1-in-6 voters say this is the first midterm election they’re voting in.

There’s reportedly been an historic turnout for a midterm election in the early ballot votes – let’s see if that translates in how people voted today.

Another interesting one on tunrout: this time in a crucial swing state, Ohio.

There’s reportedly been a massive increase in voter turnout in a state where Donald Trump secured 51% of the vote in 2016, winning it comfortably (Clinton got 43%).

Couple of interesting Exit poll results: this one from MSNBC shows that healthcare, the campaign issue championed by Democrats during the Midterms, was most important.

Although based on the other options, it’s possible that the Republican vote was split between the other three issues.

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Meanwhile, CNN’s exit poll indicates that 77% of Americans believe their country is more divided than ever.

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Our Acting Editor Christine Bohan has an update for us from Texas:

Polls close shortly here in Texas, with all eyes on whether Beto O’Rourke can defeat incumbent Republican Ted Cruz in the Senate race. Polls suggest not – it seems more likely that Cruz will win out. But Republicans and Democrats will be paying a lot of attention to the race, and how O’Rourke galvanised high levels of support with his strongly left-wing agenda.

Even if he doesn’t win tonight, O’Rourke has shown the levels of support a progressive candidate can get in a red state – he raised an unprecedented $38 million in donations in the last quarter, and banners and t-shirts with his name on them can be seen everywhere across cities like Austin – which raises the questions: what will his next move be after this? And will this inspire more progressive politicians to follow his lead?

Well Beto has certainly inspired Beyoncé – she’s just after posting a series of photos to Instagram with her wearing a “Beto for Senate” hat.

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Ok, a few results next.

The Democrats have taken an early lead as polls in the eastern states close, and votes are counted.

Democrat Jennifer Wexton has won a Republican seat back in Virginia, but that isn’t surprising as this is a district Clinton won in 2016.

In Florida, Democrat Bill Nelson is inching ahead of his opponent Rick Scott. A few things about these candidates that makes that interesting.

Incumbent Nelson has had climate change issues at the heart of his campaign, and he’s been the targetted by Donald Trump on Twitter.

With half the votes counted, and Nelson has 51% of the vote. The remaining areas where votes need to be counted are Republican strongholds. 

Here’s how the Senate currently looks.

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So, remember Gillum? 

He’s currently on 49.64% and his opponent Ron DeSantis 49.4%. Literally nothing in it.

If Gillum wins, he’ll become Florida’s first African-American governor.

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So – in the latest count, Beto O’Rourke is leading at 55% after 17% of the vote counted. In Dallas county alone, he won 66%.

It’s early days, but that’s quite impressive by a grassroots candidate in a red state.

CNN’s John King seems to be talking directly to Irish people when he says:

Well – ‘historic first’ alert.

Ayanna Pressley will become the first black woman to represent Massachusetts in Congress. She made headlines after beating a 10-term incumbent Michael Capuano, who was heavily backed by the political establishment.

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An update on where we stand from Fox News:

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Nailbiter update: the O’Rourke/Cruz, Gillum/DeSantis and Nelson/Scott races are still far too close to call, with less than a percentage point between the candidates in each of those three races.

Back to Indiana, one of the first states to close its polls, Greg Pence, the older brother of US Vice President Mike Pence, has won a seat in the House of Representatives.

The 61-year-old is a businessman and military veteran.

A tip just in from a reader in Florida: Watch Miami and Broward in Florida, where there are big leads for both Governor and Senator, with 75% and 50% of votes counted.

If Dems win control of the Senate that’s where it comes from now, we’re told.

This is crucial, and lays a good foundation for Republicans to keep control of the Senate.

Half of the votes have been counted in Texas, and Beto O’Rourke is at just over 51%. Definitely one to keep watching.

If you heard earlier reports of voting problems and technical difficulties in Georgia..

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.. the problem was apparently due to not plugging the voting machines in. 

So with the results so far – has either party made gains in the House or Senate?

The Democrats have picked up two seats in the House; Republicans have made one gain in the Senate – GOP candidate Mike Braun has just taken a Senate seat in Indiana.

Democrat Rashida Tlaib has become the first Muslim and first Palestinian American congresswoman. She’s been elected to the House.

So based on the results we’ve had so far – the ‘blue wave’ claims that were made before the Midterms by some seem to be off.

It’s almost certain now that the Democrats won’t win back the Senate, but they’re still on track to take the House.

As the New York Times’ Nate Cohn predicts that the Democrats will pick up an extra 32 seats in the House at least. 

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Let’s have a look at the Senate race in West Virginia.

Here, Democrat Joe Manchin has beaten Republican Donnelly to keep his Senate seat in the strongly Republican state.

But let’s qualify that Democratic ‘win’: Manchin often takes conservative positions at odds with his own party.

A fellow democratic challenger in West Virginia Richard Ojeda, voted for Trump in 2016.

If you think predicting this US election is too complicated – you’re not alone.

Speaking to MSNBC, Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill said “I’m gonna be really honest with you – I have no flipping idea what’s going to happen tonight.”

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“We have a president of the United States who is a pathological liar,” Bernie Sanders says during his victory speech, after reclaiming his Senate seat in Vermont.

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White House spokesperson Sarah Huckabee Sanders has said that there isn’t a “blue wave” as predicted, but more of a “ripple”.

She says that the states that Trump visited, the candidates are doing well.

Responding to those comments, a former advisor to Hillary Clinton said that Democrats didn’t get the “slam dunk” they wanted, and said it was looking “pretty bad” after they lost a number of governorships.

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Another first for Congress: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been elected to the House in New York, making her the youngest woman in Congress at 29.

In June, she made headlines after she beat an establishment congressman Joe Crowley, seen as a potential standardbearer, to make it on the electoral ticket.

Ocasio-Cortez is a Bronx-born Latina activist and Bernie Sanders volunteer who has never held elected office before now.

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Historic win in West Virginia, according to Joe Manchin:

You made history tonight…West Virginia made history tonight…Nobody in the United States has ever won in a state that the president in the previous election won by 42 points. The opposite party wins.

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Remember earlier when we said Rashida Tlaib had become the first Muslim congresswoman?

She’ll have to make some room on that podium, as Democrat Ilhan Omar has a huge majority over her opponent in Minnesota; at 78.8%, she’s expected to win.

Whatever about the parties, it’s a good day for diversity in Congress.

So the Democratic dream in Texas is over: Media reports confirm that Ted Cruz has retained his Senate seat.

A panelist on Sky News said that the razor-thin gap between the two candidates was more reflective of the two personalities involved, than a shift in the red state towards the Democrats.

Taking a quick look at the governor’s race because there’s another diversity first.

Democrat Jared Polis has become the first openly gay candidate to become a governor in the United States.

Quite striking that this hasn’t happened before now, isn’t it?

So what’s the national look at the moment? With half the seats claimed, the New York Times is reporting that the Republicans have lost 11 seats.

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It’s also officially a mathematical impossibility that the Democrats will regain control of the Senate, Sky News states.

Happy to take their word on that.

Balanced.

Meanwhile, away from the personalities and parties, there are other important votes happening, reports AP:

  • Florida voters approved a ballot measure that will enable more than 1 million ex-felons to regain their voting rights.
  • North Dakota and Michigan had a chance to legalise the recreational use of marijuana, a step already taken by nine other states.
  • In Arkansas and Missouri, voters decided on increasing the minimum wage: the measure would raise the wage from $8.50 an hour to $11 by 2021 in the former; and gradually raising the $7.85 minimum wage to $12 an hour in the latter.
  • In Arizona and Nevada, voters considered measures requiring that 50% of electricity come from renewable sources by 2030.

Here it is: The Democrats have taken back the House of Representatives, while the Republicans have retained the Senate and look like they will increase their majority here.

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All media making this prediction, based on the states that have been declared and the ones yet to come.

A record-breaking 262 women were on the ballot for this US midterms and could elect a record number of women to Congress by the end of the counts.

“The House of Representatives, especially, is due to see such a large influx of Democratic women that there could be more women than white men representing that side of the aisle,” reports Vox.

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Ted Cruz is giving his victory speech.

Texas saw something this year that we’ve never seen before… This election was a battle of ideas. It was a contest of who we are and what we believe.

What was truly amazing is at events, we would ask people: ‘How many of you are former Democrats?’ And we would see hands go up – I see hands are going up now.

He said that protecting jobs, securing the border and protecting the constitution united Texans.

Cruz thanks Beto O’Rourke for his campaign. He has to urge the crowd to listen to his praise of him as they started to boo.

He tells his supporters that he will represent every Texan.

A mention of “the national media” also prompts jeers from the crowd.

Another win for diversity:

Democrat Sharice Davids has become the first Native American woman in the House of Representatives, elected in Kansas after securing 53.3% of the vote.

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Deb Haaland has secured 59.6% of the vote in New Mexico to become the second Native American woman elected to the House.

*Taps mic*:  May I have your attention everyone. Trump has tweeted.

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So what does it mean that the Democrats will take back control of the House?

Apart from the influence an incredibly diverse group of candidates will have, it will prove more difficult for Trump to pass legislation.

And, according to MSNBC, the Democrats intend to request Trump’s tax returns. As early as tonight by some accounts.

On this point ^ This means that Republican politicians are now less likely to criticise or turn on Trump when he does something controversial, as his administration seems prone to do.

It makes an impeachment all the more unlikely.

And again, some predictions for the 2020 presidential election.

Florida Republican Rick Scott has defeated Bill Nelson in a very close race for the Senate, by the way.

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Kellyanne Conway has been speaking to reporters about the issues on which Trump campaigned during the Midterm. She gets quite heated with one reporter who suggests he was criticised for his comments on the caravan of people from South America.

He’s been “praised for raising attention to the border issue”, she replies.

I don’t think the President worries about whether he was vindicated or not in relation to the Mexican caravan.. It’s an education for everyone to keep looking at it.

My boss doesn’t repeat trends, he makes them.

Conway is now giving out about anti-Trump activists who talk too much about 2016 or 2020. She’s put on the backfoot when she’s reminded that Trump has made repeated comments about 2016.

Californian candidate Nancy Pelosi is strongly expected to be the next Speaker of the House.

Pelosi has said previously that she would not be looking to impeach President Donald Trump if Democrats regain control of the House. We’ll see if she sticks to that.

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Pelosi has also been criticised as a “very polarising” figure and as a gift to Donald Trump, who has targetted her before. 

Let’s talk about Wisconsin.

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This was going to be a fun one to watch because this state was seen as a Democratic certainty during the 2016 Presidential election – but Trump won in it the end.

In the last poll before the election, Republican incumbent Scott Walker was behind his Democratic challenger Tony Evers by 5 points.

I the latest result, there’s less than a percentage point between the two, with over 82% of votes in.

The former House Speaker Paul Ryan, who retired this year and Rience Priebus, who left as Trump’s chief of staff after 6 months, are both from this state.

A loss for the Democrats in Missouri – although they saw it coming.

Republican Josh Hawley has been elected to the Senate in Missouri, beating the incumbent Claire McCaskill. 

Trump won the state in the 2016 election; Attorney General Hawley has gathered 52.9% of the vote.

Election 2018 Senate Hawley Missouri Shirley Gilman cheers after hearing election returns in favour of Josh Hawley. Charlie Riedel Charlie Riedel

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O’Rourke, in his concession speech, says that whatever needs to be done to help Ted Cruz unite the country after it’s been so divided, will be done.

I am as inspired, I’m as hopeful as I have ever been in my life, and tonight’s loss does nothing to diminish the way that I feel about Texas or this country.

He gives a speech on stage in El Paso, with a weird fog and blue lighting that makes you fear White Walkers are about to emerge from behind him.

There it is: the magic number 23. It’s by keeping that that Democrats take the House.

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Sean Hannity, one of Fox news’ top presenters, was reprimanded by the station for appearing onstage at a Trump campaign rally ahead of the Midterms.

The station, which gives more favourable coverage of Trump, released a statement earlier today saying that Hannity’s presence at the rally was “unfortunate”.

He hasn’t been involved in Fox’s midterm election coverage, by the sounds of it.

The latest results from the Washington Post here. 25 extra seats in the House for the Dems, and 3 extra seats in the Senate for the Republicans.

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This analysis fron the WP’s The Fix is also worth reading. It lists Beto 2020 (and beyond) as a winner, and Beto 2018, and its donors under Losers. Ouch.

Fun fact on Nancy Pelosi: if she does become House Speaker, she will be the second woman ever to do so.

The first female House Speaker was… Nancy Pelosi (from 2007 to 2011).

Election 2018 House Democrats Nancy Pelosi. Jacquelyn Martin Jacquelyn Martin

With that, we’re going to leave the liveblog there.

Keep an eye on our coverage as we analyse what the results mean for the Trump administration, and how the rest of the world reacts.

Over and out.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:38 PM

    Fair enough, but their prices to take said photographs were an utter rip off, so karma and all that.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:31 PM

    Sure Erica !

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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:27 PM

    They were beaten on a Tender ! They should grow up.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:41 PM

    Ah now, this is hardly a massive monopolist new state invention, sure you still have the passports lads, not to mention, Garda Id, student cards and of course weddings. Good luck!

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:50 PM

    thats where it all starts.next it will be passports.then you will still be saying ah sure you still have weddings, student id etc. until eventually they too will be swallowed up.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:12 PM

    Graham. I’m delighted I won’t have to pay up an extra €6 or €8 for a little photo. I’ve had enough of rip off Ireland. So many regulations and fees and rules everywhere.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:16 PM

    jack i agree its a rip off but when this company has a monopoly you will have no choice on what you have to pay just to get a licence.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:51 PM

    Ridiculous argument saying it will cost jobs, we can’t constantly stem progression just because it costs jobs! I have heard there is a new credit card style card in the pipe works that will hold all kinds of information; pps, blood type, donor card, driving disqualifications. Welfare receipts etc… It is the first stage of inter agency communication.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:08 PM

    Inter agency communication? SGS are a private company and I for one don’t want personal information shared between government and the private sector.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:21 PM

    There’s a new smart card national identity card that will hold information. It won’t be for sgs. The main idea of it is to crack down on welfare fraud, government agencies will be able to see what allowances and welfare people are getting from hse, councils etc… It can only be a good thing

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    Nov 21st 2012, 6:39 PM

    How will they lose wedding business to this? Passport maybe, no harm as I had a passport application sent back twice due to these photographers not following the regulations, but sgs can hardly take wedding business

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    Nov 21st 2012, 7:40 PM

    Your right on that card chilly a great idea, wonder how much further it will get than an idea though , its taken years to bring in the driving licence.
    and the welfare fraud in some places is a lot simpler than that, their systems are so badly linked people could claim the dole in edenderry , rathangan and portarlington all on the same day as they were different counties and records were kept separately…. unreal.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:55 PM

    Is it April fools day? For feck sake it’s the digital age – adapt or die lads

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:48 PM

    Aoife. The Maths don’t add up. 600,000
    licences every year appears rather a large number even allowing for lost licences and provisional ones. But even at that number Mr Foley says 4000 people rely on it for their business. That’s 150 customers per year per service provider. I thinks he is exaggerating quite a bit.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:34 PM

    I think you’re right – gross exaggeration – however am against any monopoly in principle and wondering if we can no longer apply by post what hours have the SGS agreed to open in their tender proposal

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:49 PM

    600,000 licences issued every year in Ireland? Really? And they last 10 years?
    So, approx 6,000,000 have Irish drivers licences..

    That’d be about right. Yeah.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:08 PM

    600,000 includes renewals so if u have people renewing after 10,20,40 and 40 years and new drivers and lost or stolen licences they all add up

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:11 PM

    Not to mention people living abroad renewing there’s too.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:46 PM

    There are so many other reasons people have I.D photos taken. This will not take a huge chunk of business away. From working in photo developing myself, it is the fault of greedy shop owners who price these photos so high-that is why they would be losing out. Seriously €6 and upwards for one photograph containing 4 or 6 small images!! Takes less than 1 minute to put through and print!! I often reccomend that people take their own photo at home, They can brighten it up themselves at the kiosk and print it as a regular photo for 40c.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:35 PM

    Remember that shop owner has to pay rent, rates, your wages, electricity, heating, stock, insurance,equipment. You should factor these costs in before you sabotage the business which employs you.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 7:19 PM

    And even after all that a profit margin that runs to 1000′s of percent is not acceptable! If I can do it at a kiosk for a few cent there is no excuse for ?6/photo

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:27 PM

    600,000 licences each year? Am I the only person who thinks that figures is a bit high, even including renewals.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:39 PM

    Some people think 600,000 is credible.
    Pretty impressive for a total population of less than 5 million.

    And the courts full of people who don’t have licences!!

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    Nov 21st 2012, 3:47 PM

    It’s almost impossible to know where to start …

    Passport photos, are verified by someone who knows the person involved or is a Guard. The same process could be used. Even then if the applicant has to come into an office they will be standing in front of the employee working for the firm. The employee can then use a process called “looking” to see if it’s the same person as in the photo.

    You know every once in a while someone goes “Oh, yeah, we’re like a laughing stock.”? Well this sort of thing doesn’t help.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:33 PM

    Process called looking!! Love it :D

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:09 PM

    What decade is this?

    Everyone I know has access to a digital camera. If you could upload your own jpegs, all the cropping and resizing and background lightening and ensuring the hairline is between lines D and E could be done automatically, in software. And if you can’t get a reasonable biometric scan off it, it can be rejected instantly. You then get a link for a Garda to certify. No printing, no scanning, no messing about with stupid little photos.

    Does Ireland do this? No it doesn’t. Instead it creates a tender where the only two options are scanning and having someone else take short range photos to make your nose look bigger.

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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:25 PM

    The real story is why Leo has to put this process to tender in the first place when the jobs could be used to transfer public servants into jobs that are useful, using the motor tax offices to process the photos……Instead he hands what is sure to be an over priced job to a company registered in geneva, switzerland……The board of executives look like they could use the money though….to think that photography stores would collapse due to the loss of passport id’s is ridiculous and frankly a non story.

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    Mute jrbmc
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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:01 PM

    who the hell goes to a professional photographer to get pics for there licence in the first place

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    Mute jim ahh jim ahh jim
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    Nov 21st 2012, 8:03 PM

    They must have a business registered in the EU to be eligible to tender for Government contracts.

    ” Leo” put this process to tender because he is obliged to under EU Law.
    In the same way that Irish companies are tendering for business in other EU companies

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    Mute Niall Harpur
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    Nov 21st 2012, 11:25 PM

    Why tender in the first place jim when it should have been done by an office that already exists….motor tax should be doin this

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    Mute David Jordan
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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:38 PM

    I took and printed my own photos for my passport and driving license. It only cost me a few cent to do so. That way I could avoid expensive photo booths and chemists, and take a better picture, …look less like a muppit.

    How much will the new system cost me? Bet they’re going to charge me €10 to sit in front of their camera, well it’s going to be a monopoly.

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    Mute Bluechip78
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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:46 PM

    So now i have to go to a specific office at a designated time to get a photo and renew my licence instead of doing it online or by post. So much for moving forward.

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    Mute Alan
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    Nov 22nd 2012, 10:21 AM

    how do you renew your licence on line?

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    Mute Think First
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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:16 PM

    Let’s not change anything ever, for fear that someone will have to retrain.

    Anyway, generally we’re talking one photo every ten years for each driver, how many people are depending on that income?

    Passports are big users of these so don’t see a big issue.. let them downsize in preparation for fully electronic passports.

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    Mute Emily Elephant
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    Nov 21st 2012, 6:13 PM

    Or, when we change things, change them in a way that actually makes sense. Just a thought.

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    Mute Shane Freedom
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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:02 PM

    The Irish say yes to everything the Government do. Yes to Austerity, Yes to state control over children and families. Yes Sir, Yes Sir, 3 bags full Sir. Pathetic country.

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    Mute Jim Walsh
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    Nov 21st 2012, 7:01 PM

    Yawn! Try and comment on the actual topic if you’re going to bother.

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    Mute Rommel Burke
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    Nov 21st 2012, 4:09 PM

    Is this the same SGS that operate the NCT centres? The other point is will this have an effect on local authority jobs if they are no longer issuing the licenses?

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    Mute MrKnow
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    Nov 21st 2012, 6:16 PM

    imagine the Qs for this service! Anything to do with motoring is done the same, walk in, press for ticket, wait 2 hours for one of the 6 or 7 booths to come available.. and to top it, i can bet that the photo service will be more expensive than a chemist or photo shop! its just another money making scam by government.

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    Mute Niamh May
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    Nov 21st 2012, 6:56 PM

    I’ve been waiting 6 weeks for a new photo pps card. Shocking.

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    Mute Jackie Crowe
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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:39 PM

    i go to the booth outside the door of motor vehicles,, thought everyone did,, passports now thats a different story, back grounds, ears showing,, size,, sorry photographers but ye are a little costly,,, watch our pennies now

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    Mute Sean McNally
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    Nov 21st 2012, 9:31 PM

    Look, when the motor car ‘came in’ a lot of horse dealers went to the wall. What’s their point, exactly?

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    Mute Patrick Moran
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    Nov 21st 2012, 5:08 PM

    There’s argument for and against here. The thing that sticks out for me is that it is going to be a monopoly situation with the issue of drivers licences. What’ll they cost I wonder ? With no competition it could be the case that whatever you paid for your photo becomes a pittance compared to the new overall cost of getting a licence. Everyone needs to make a living and having to pay €5 or €10 once every 10 years is very good value in my opinion. At least you’d be sure the photo was in the correct format and dimensions etc. and you wouldn’t have had it thrown back at you. Honestly, the way people jump on the “rip of Ireland” bandwagon is astounding sometimes. At the first sign of a potential opportunity the phrase “rip off Ireland” is thrown out by someone. Give it a rest will ya ? Fact is that Ireland is an expensive country, and by the very definition of “rip off Ireland” the people often accused of being rip off merchants get ripped of too, don’t they ?

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    Mute Tim Duggan
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    Nov 21st 2012, 6:08 PM

    This is crazy. Are we that stuck for proper news?

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    Mute Simon Blake
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    Nov 21st 2012, 8:10 PM

    Digital cameras have been out for about 10 years and white walls are a plenty. If anyone is still paying someone to get a mug shot done then they truly are a mug.

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    Mute Denise Burke Carroll
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    Nov 22nd 2012, 3:47 AM

    I’ve been taking my own photos for years and when I read the headline on this I thought they were moving to an online application and allowing people to upload their photos. But no, that would be moving forward. Instead I’m going to have to go in person to an office at least 20 miles away and queue so some Muppet can take a mugshot that makes me look like a criminal. Who thinks up these things?

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    Mute Billy McAuliffe
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    Nov 21st 2012, 9:30 PM

    About time hopefully this will stop fake licences, and will also be an identity for the the upholders of the law

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    Mute Michael Skellig
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    Nov 21st 2012, 10:56 PM

    Technology. Get over it.

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    Mute Amanda O Rourke
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    Nov 22nd 2012, 1:40 AM

    exactly.. the existing licences are too easy to fake also

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    Mute Seosamh O'Dúgáin
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    Jan 11th 2013, 5:53 PM

    The cost of a driver’s licence from 1 January 2013 is €55 for a ten year licence. Previously it was €25. Surely if its going towards an automated system, it should be more cost effective, why a €30 increase!

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    Mute Billy McAuliffe
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    Dec 1st 2012, 1:57 PM

    It is about time we have good driving licence the other ones get damaged in your wallet the new one will not, and I presume their will be more information about the licence holders on the new licence which is good, this will roughly be the same the same size as a a bank card, as for the people that were taking the photos for the old ones it was a rip off, time to move on

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    Mute Declan McGee
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    Nov 22nd 2012, 10:09 AM

    Every year when the price of a licence goes up just like our motorways I’m sure everyone will be wandering how did this happen?
    All the problems in the country and a fiver every 10 years is a problem.
    What else could our government put up for tender, maybe use all our houses for holiday homes to increase tourism

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