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Police activity outside Parsons Green station in west London yesterday. PA Wire/PA Images

18-year-old man arrested in connection with London Underground bombing

An 18-year-old man has been arrested.

Updated at 7pm

BRITISH POLICE RAIDED raided a home near London today just hours after making their first arrest in the investigation into the bombing of an Underground train a day earlier.

An 18-year-old man was detained at the port city of Dover, one of the country’s main links to Europe, with officers describing the development as a significant step in their investigation.

They later announced that the raid was under way.

“Police officers have evacuated and are searching a residential address in Sunbury, Surrey,” a statement said.

Thirty people were treated in hospital after the bomb was detonated in a packed train carriage yesterday morning, in what was Britain’s fifth terror attack in six months.

Home Secretary Amber Rudd said that police had made “very good progress” in their enquiries, while appearing to dispute claims by US President Donald Trump that a “loser terrorist” behind the attack was known to Scotland Yard.

“It’s much too early to say that,” Rudd said in a televised interview. “At the moment we have one arrest and we have an ongoing operation.”

Trump’s claims, made yesterday on Twitter, had already garnered a terse rebuke from Prime Minister Theresa May, who said: “I never think it’s helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation.”

The improvised explosive device in a train at Parsons Green station, a quiet and wealthy residential district, failed to detonate fully, according to media reports.

But the blast inflicted flash burns on passengers, and prompted dozens of others to flee in panic.

Police in Dover said the teenager arrested would be transferred to custody in London.

“This arrest will lead to more activity from our officers,” said a statement, outlining that the man was being held under anti-terror legislation.

Deputy assistant commissioner of the London Met Police Neil Basu – senior national coordinator for counter terrorism policing – described the arrest as “significant”.

“We have made a significant arrest in our investigation this morning,” he said.

Although we are pleased with the progress made, this investigation continues and the threat level remains at critical.

Basu warned the public to “remain vigilant” and said that police were not changing the protective security measures put in place in the wake of the attack.

“This arrest will lead to more activity from our officers. For strong investigative reasons we will not give any more details on the man we arrested at this stage,” Basu said.

Detectives investigating the attack said that they had spoken to 45 witnesses and continue to receive information from the public to the confidential anti-terrorist hotline.

The UK was last on critical alert after the bombing at a concert in Manchester in May, which was also claimed by the IS group.

In a statement yesterday, the group said an IS “detachment” had carried out the London attack.

Rowley earlier said most of the injuries were due to “flash burns”, while others were wounded as passengers ran out of the station in panic.

Witness Charlie Craven told AFP he heard a “massive bang”, adding:

I saw an orange sort of fireball encompassing the whole Tube coming towards you.

Another, Lauren Hubbard, described it as “a wall of fire”.

Twitter user @Rrigs posted pictures of a white bucket smouldering on the train and described how a “fireball flew down carriage and we just jumped out open door”.

The bucket, which was inside a frozen food bag from the budget supermarket chain Lidl, looked like the type used by builders and there appeared to be cables coming out of it.

Ireland’s Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney expressed his sympathy with the people of London and said that he was not aware of any Irish citizens being injured in the incident.

‘Unhelpful speculation’

US President Donald Trump said that “loser terrorists” were behind the attack, adding that they were already “in the sights” of British police.

London’s Metropolitan Police dismissed the tweet as “unhelpful speculation”, while May also rebuked him.

May said the device was “clearly intended to cause significant harm”, condemning it as a “cowardly attack”.

Speaking yesterday evening, Rowley said the remnants of the bomb were being examined by forensic scientists.

British media reported that it had a timer but failed to detonate fully.

© – AFP 2017 With reporting from Cormac Fitzgerald 

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    Mute Mike
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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:37 AM

    We can avoid this in our future. Limit immigration from Muslim countries to people with needed skills and clear background checks, prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from operating here and tackle Islamic supremacism wherever it manifests itself. It’s a numbers game, once the numbers get too high the police can’t keep track of them all and extremists have so much support they are difficult to eliminate. Either way we will be spending more and more of our scarce resources if we don’t take the steps above.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:41 AM

    @Mike: we are far to PC to take any of those sensible and proactive steps. Remember Fine Gael consider themselves a “progressive european” party and will toe the line. Europe first, Irish citizens second.

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    Mute Dave Murray
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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:49 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: Yet, we’re told by snowflakes here that an attack will never happen.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:10 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: We had our first elected politician (as far as I know) to take a sensible, non PC stand re Islam last week. He’s been inundated with support. There is a chink of light here. If we, the people demand policy and action from our politicians, change can happen.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:32 AM

    @Mike: countries should be categorised and classed by risk. Immigrants from high risk(which should be mostly middle easter and African) should have strong requirements for immigration.

    Unverifiable history? No entry
    Unwilling or unsuitable to integrate? No entry
    Unable to contribute to Irish society? No entry
    No Suitability for supporting yourself or dependents? No entry
    Unable to speak English – no entry

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:04 AM

    @Mike: fair play to Brian for saying what the rest have no balls,if I lived in Dublin I would shakeep thathe young man’s hand.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:16 AM

    @Mike: you d be better off limiting access to YouTube and site like live link, this guy was 18 and probably born in the U.K. In reality he’s a British citizen radicalised by seeing what’s happening to his origin race on the net.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:25 AM

    @Zossima: is he a son of refugees though ?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:45 AM

    @Zossima:

    Why is it then that only a certain ideology breeds these homegrown terrorists? We didn’t see many second or third generation Haitians committing acts of terrorism over the environmental calamities in Haiti did we? Nor do we see second or third generation Venezuelans committing acts of terrorism in the name of the oppressed in Venezuela.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:48 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: Correct.The PC /’Liberal’ brigade have plenty of innocent blood on their hands.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:54 AM

    @Mike: the British did not ban Irish immigrants during the troubles. As an Irish emigrant family to London during the troubles there is a reason we were allowed to emigrate there, that reason being we were not terrorists and did not support or finance terrorism in anyway. This is very much the same for the absolute vast majority of Muslim migrants today, but you let your bigotry distort facts.

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    Mute Neil Mcdonough
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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:56 AM

    @Thought for Food: Strawman. Which countries have been blown to bits in recent times and still are being bombed by western armies? Muslim countries by any chance?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:01 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough:

    The Venezuelan government accuses the West of causing their economic woes, so no it is not a strawman.

    Your whole “but we’re bombing them” claim is nonsense and easily disproved. No South-east Asian country is actively bombing the Middle East but there is an ongoing insurgency across much of the region. Wherever Islam goes, terrorism follows.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:57 PM

    @Paul Fahey: You are incorrect in your assertion that the “absolute vast majority” of Muslims do not support terrorism in any way. If one considers reporting an imminent terror attack, most would not report. There are many more statistics showing support for suicide bombings, killing those who insult the prophet etc. If the world were as you describe and it were only a tiny percentage that held fundamentalist Islamic views the problem would be much smaller and would not represent an existential threat to western society.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:11 PM

    @Paul Fahey: checkout the program ” what british muslims really think” by channel 4 and you will see the reality of muslim integration

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:15 PM

    @Mike: What makes you so sure that this was an Islamic terror attack.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:27 PM

    @Paul Fahey: to compare irish emigration to Britain over the past 100 years who are by and large are from majority Catholic population of ireland and never been serious threat to British society state and who have integrated very well on like the moslim population who have kept to themselves and look on outside society (LGBT Rights WOMEN Rights )in the western world with absolute shock all other countries through out the world that irish people emigratedhave integrated very well can moslim community’s say the same. ..

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:34 PM

    @Chris Kirk: The type of explosive used is believed to be TATP , which failed to detonate properly . This is the same explosive used by islamists in a number of recent attacks .
    Oh and the fact that they are pretty much the only ones in Europe trying to indiscriminately kill people en masse .

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:37 PM

    @Paul Fahey: You don’t seem to remember that the English could and did ban people from the north of Ireland from entering England , although technically they were citizens of the U.K .
    So the English did ban people from Ireland from entering .

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:38 PM

    @Paul Fahey: come on paul you seen what happened over the cartoons ,people were killed, allso ordinary muslims were out in there millions burning flags shooting guns shouting kill the west.,

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:46 PM

    @Paddy Hayden: You seem to be very sure about that, where is your evidence other than the media that this was anything other than a copy-cat event carried out by a British teenager.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:58 PM

    @Chris Kirk: Where’s my evidence ? The police are linking it to islamic terror , they have said they believe the explosive to be TATP , they have arrested a person , and if he was White British his face would be on the news by now .

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:27 PM

    @Chris Kirk: London is experiencing a wave of Islamic terror attacks, including on public transport. That you have to ask such a question shows the dept to which people will go to avoid acknowledging the threat of Islam. Yes we do not know as of yet who is responsible but with tens of thousands of jihadists in the UK this debate needs to take place every day not just when trains are blown up.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:49 PM

    @Mike: What it really shows is the levels of paranoia associated with something which resembles that of other terrorist activity in Britain. The UK police have not charged anyone with this crime and it is the usual media who are stirring up the hatered.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:06 PM

    @Chris Kirk: How is the media stirring up the hatred ? It’s not the BBC or the Journal that goes out killing people .
    Can you still not see that the people who perpetrate these attacks are following the instructions of an ideology which wishes to subjugate non believers , and offers it’s adherents who die while killing the infidel , a place in paradise with all the women they want .
    I don’t make this stuff up , nor do the media , you should read the Quran Chris , it might put a whole different perspective on your idea of a benign ideology .

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:22 PM

    @Mike: wave of Islamic terrorism? There were 571 homicides (murder, manslaughter and infanticide) in the year ending March 2016 in England and Wales, 112 in London alone in 2015, but you don’t see that in the news, the relationship between terrorism and the media is symbiotic, as terrorists require widespread attention, the media needs news 

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:29 PM

    @Mike: Muslim brotherhood has become a government priority…..supporting it that is. Full services of the state available on demand

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:32 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough:

    In the last 30 days, there were 129 Islamic attacks in 30 countries, in which 728 people were killed and 775 injured.
    The majority of the country’s are not western, instead of deflecting why not discuss the problem in Islam!

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:50 PM

    @Liam Doyle: where did I mention the west?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:51 PM

    @Thought for Food:
    Neil knows all this – he’s been challenged enough times on it. Never responds though, just slinks away and reappears some time later pretending that the awkward questions were never asked.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:51 PM

    @Paddy Hayden: what tripe, did the ban the entire Northern Irish population from travelling to England?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:54 PM

    @Bobby wilson: I was an Irish emigrant to the UK, and spent 30 years there and there was sadly a time where terrorism perpetrated by Irish Catholics was a significant and real threat to England and Britain. There is no difference between and bomb designed to kill people planted by a follower of any religion, sorry, but this is not Top Trump Terrorists.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:54 PM

    @Bobby wilson: I was an Irish emigrant to the UK, and spent 30 years there and there was sadly a time where terrorism perpetrated by Irish Catholics was a significant and real threat to England and Britain. There is no difference between and bomb designed to kill people planted by a follower of any religion, sorry, but this is not Top Trump Terrorists.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 7:15 PM

    @Paul Fahey: well the house they are searching on foot of this mans arrest belongs to a couple who have won awards for taking in teenage refugees.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:22 PM

    @Paul Fahey: sorry biggest threat to irish people living in Britain and to British people and all other ethnic groups are coming from Islamic base terrorism as is whsts happen all over western world how long will it be for ireland attacked and who will the loony left blame then

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:11 PM

    @Mike: you were never out of ireland i bet.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:29 PM

    @Paul Fahey: I also lived in England in the late 80′s for a few years .
    And they did ban Irish people from entering , it caused a bit of a giggle at the time , as it proved that the Irish weren’t considered British by the English , despite their United Kingdom spiel .

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    Sep 17th 2017, 12:59 PM

    @Bobby wilson: well said

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:20 AM

    Troops now on the streets of the UK, France, Belgium and Germany.
    Tell me again how terrorism doesn’t change how Europeans live.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:34 AM

    @Chad Rockett: Well said.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:25 AM

    @Chad Rockett: DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH(TM)

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:28 AM

    @Chad Rockett: our government are doing their very best to align us with Europe in every way.

    Look at our good little helpers in the med providing. A taxi service for these scrounges.

    Let’s get a cost for this. Then let’s get a cost for the restoration of teacher pay or the cost of building a much needed new school.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:29 AM

    @Chad Rockett: I believe those troops on the street are send by governments, not by terrorism. Which is almost the same but not quite.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:34 AM

    @Wodanaz von Mises: uhhhhhm whaaat!!!?

    It’s a forced response to terrorism. Chad is correct in his OP

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:01 AM

    @Dave J: Forced response even. Nice.
    If we are going to play that game we can explain away and legitimise everything.
    ISIS was a forced response to the invasion and powervaccuuming of Iraq and other nationbuilding activities in the wider region. Might sound nice, might have a core of truth to it, but it is as useful as a chocolate teapot. Fact is still that governments deploy troops, governments collect and use taxes for more silly war and nationbuilding games, governments that sign the most ridiculous laws into reality when it comes to surveillance etc etc. All done by the people that were elected by yourselves. Wasn’t Baghdadi that ordered troops on the streets, or signed laws or decided it would be nice to take a little expedition to Libia for example. Responsibility and accountability of actions lies with the people taking that action and only them.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:01 AM

    @Chad Rockett: Troops patrolling the streets hasn’t changed anything. It’s not like a war zone, they’re not everywhere. And people continue with their lives without the slightest interruption. All that has changed is that the risk to any one individual of being a victim of terrorism has gone from being practically non-existent to extremely unlikely though possible. Quit with the hysteria.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:20 AM

    @Chad Rockett: troops use to escort cash transfers in this country

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:22 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: Not true

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:23 AM

    @bmul: What’s your point?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:02 PM

    @Neil Mcdonough:

    Try getting into a tourist destination or busy shop in Paris with a backpack and tell us how “normal” life is there.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:11 PM

    @Wodanaz von Mises: they were killing each other before any western army put a toe into iraq

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:45 PM

    @Wodanaz von Mises:
    That was some feat of mental gymnastics there.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 4:02 PM

    @Johnny Gunn: Diversity is strength. Ignorance is tolerance. Islam is peace.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 2:43 PM

    @Johnny Gunn: GOOD NATURE IS OUR WEAKNESS

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:05 AM

    Soldiers on the streets of our major cities will be the norm across Europe thanks to cultural enrichment. Fast forward 10 years and we might even have a soldier on every street corner. Why we bring people to live amoung us that we need soldiers to protect us from is just insanity.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:15 PM

    @Darren Mccarthy: Well said. Totally agree

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:26 AM

    “London’s Metropolitan Police dismissed the tweet as “unhelpful speculation”,

    We will learn today the attacker was “known to police”, as so many of the previous Muslim terrorists have been.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:37 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: wasn’t the case in Barcelona though..time to glue his gob..

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:45 AM

    @Clon Lad: the British government and police continue to fail the British people in the most tragic ways. They condemn President Trump stronger than they do Islam.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:22 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: that is because they are not drawn to simplicity, one cause one solution

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:25 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: once again, an article around Islamic terrorism has a heavy focus on criticising trumps tweet.

    It is not surprising people around the world are sick to death of the current state of media outlets and look elsewhere

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:27 AM

    @Dave J: they have already started scrubbing comments which are critical of Islamic ideology.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:36 AM

    “Never change our way of life they said”. troops patrolling the streets, concrete barriers on bridges and Christmas markets…welcome to the new way of life.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:38 AM

    @Remy: shouldn’t that help in the fight against them ? We all have to adapt..just like that marvelous Mayor of London said…’be prepared’ ..

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:57 AM

    @Clon Lad: be prepared for a plastic bucket on fire on a train……have you people lost your minds…….INVESTIGATE !! its a hoax !!

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:05 AM

    @Clon Lad:

    Ah yes Khan, ever the Islamist.
    The fight should have started at the top with the political class who are in denial, it should have never got to this stage. The UK with 20.000 Jihadis on a watch list, over 500 active investigations with over 300 arrests in the last 12 months alone.
    What a future in store for the British.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:26 AM

    @Clon Lad: the problem has gotten worse under London’s first Muslim mayor. Why?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:47 AM

    @Clon Lad:

    We don’t have to adapt. We should deport as many as we legally can that refuse to integrate, close the borders to those from high risk countries and within the bounds of the law ruthlessly pursue those who have radicalised and cannot be deported.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:15 PM

    @Johnnathan Biskalero: you need to add more tinfoil

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:35 PM

    @Thought for Food: wont happen ,to many dogooders

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:48 AM

    Integration is working then.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:25 AM

    Muslims try to blow people up in London, let’s have a go at Trump for tweeting what we all know, ffs how about worrying about what is happening on the streets instead of worrying about the Donald.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:16 AM

    Yet more ‘cultural enrichment’ from the religion of peace.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:51 AM

    Not much hope of much improvemen here with our current Quisling Taoiseach with his ‘spiritual’ adviser Sheikh Halawa.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:58 AM

    Right now I am worried about what seems like organised hatred on the Journal and I am currently in London. I also recall being seen as a potential terrorist for just being Irish which people would do well to remember

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:12 AM

    @Kal Ipers: Please point out what you see as “organised hatred”? It looks to me that yor are calling dissenting persons opinions “organised hatred”.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:20 AM

    @Mike: it’s everyone following the narrative one cause one solution

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:28 AM

    @Red Marauder: The narrative outside of the comments sections is that Islamic terrorism is nothing to do with Islam, that’s patently absurd. Only people who haven’t looked into Islam believe this. It’s ignorance of the highest order. It’s also inexcusable. There’s lots of respected researchers and academics who pave published very easy to read work on the reality of political Islam. I say political Islam or Islamism/Islamist but in reality it’s just Islam. Sticking our heads in the sand may give us respite from reality but will not save our children and grandchildren from the horrors Islam brings.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:36 AM

    @Kal Ipers: no one cares where you are right now.

    Could you cite a few examples of this organised hate you speak of?

    Or are you just waffling on and trying to stifle an alternative viewpoint ?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:39 AM

    @Mike: Maybe you don’t remember when the same was said about Irish people. Within minutes of this being posted there was all the same type of message being up thumbed very rapidly.
    I also experienced suspicion of Irish people which included being excluded from areas in the airports and made sign a declaration of not going to blow up the country.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:50 AM

    @Dave J: in the comment section I am the alternative view point. I also said ‘appears’ to be organised.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:55 AM

    @Mike:
    Nice to see someone talk sense about Muslims on here I know Muslims and as far as their concerned isis aren’t muslim just like the kkk and ira dont represent Christians.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:06 AM

    @Kal Ipers: It’s a one man mob. Numerous accounts. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:10 AM

    @Mike: Is islam the only cause of of it? The problem with your narrative is what you leave out, and red seems to be suggesting, correctly imo, that it isn’t as simple as you make out.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:29 AM

    @Din8rtd: the dumbest comment on this thread.
    IRA reference?
    Slow clap!

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:29 AM

    @Kal Ipers: please cite a few of the comments that “appear” to organised hate so I can assess them also.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:50 AM

    @Din8rtd:
    True, but the Islam IS Jihadis represent is the same Islam that run the Saudi regime, Sunni Wahabbi Islam, who agree that they are the purest Muslims who live as an identical life to their prophet, and every other sect of Islam are infidels. Now what usually happens after such attacks is that media outlets such as Sky and BBC news will have Muslim guests on their news channels who will denounce these Jihadis as not true Muslims and preach “Islam is the religion of peace”, but these very Muslims who say this are more often representatives of the more peaceful and minority sects of Islam, Sufi’s and Ahhmadhi sects, to have a Sunni Wahhabi cleric denounce these terrorist attacks would be like asking Amjem Choudry to denounce his own beliefs.
    Saudi Wahhabi is the fountainhead of Islamic terrorism with IS, Al Queda and the hundreds of other global Islamic terrorist groups being the droplets.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:54 AM

    @Din8rtd:

    As for the IRA/Christian example, it’s a no go, the IRA didn’t kill in the name of God, Jesus or the bible, it was basically a anti-colonial nationalistic movement to remove the British from Ireland.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:21 AM

    @Kal Ipers: How do we deal with these Islamic savages? What do they want? The ira were easy to deal with in comparison as they only wanted the return of territory the size of bloody hounslow or somewhere… these people want the world.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:26 AM

    @Kal Ipers: I also think they are an organised group, the Journal needs to get its act together and ban these lowlife permanently.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:37 AM

    @Kal Ipers:

    Just because you are offended and see a different opinion than your own as hatred, doesn’t make you right.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:37 AM

    @KerryBlueMike: “… these people want the world.” And anyone who believes that they could even remotely threaten Europe other than with occasional terrorist atrocities is as insane as they are. They’re getting hammered in their own region ffs . . .

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:48 AM

    @Mike: in order to assess correctly your inquiry can you specify which version Islam you are referring to, which school and from which geographical area

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:59 AM

    @Kal Ipers: Sign a declaration to state you wouldn’t blow up the UK??Blatent lie.I’ve lived in London right through the IRA bombing campaign and never had a problem.Maybe you’re a little bit sensitive.Toughen up and get on with it.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:15 PM

    @Kal Ipers: the journal is great unfortunately it is a magnetic for Alt right fascists & lonely angry men. I have pretty much stopped reading the comments section now. Thankfully the journals journalists have a very different agenda to these misguided idiots.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:22 PM

    @eoghanoc:

    I’m guessing you have no valid arguments to offer up then. Insulting the opposition rather than offering up alternatives is why Clinton thankfully lost :)

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:01 PM

    @Kal Ipers: I asked a very clear question. You did not answer. You obfuscated. Kindly provide the basis for your original post or STFU.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:06 PM

    @Din8rtd: As far as they’re concerned ISIS aren’t Muslims, really? You should ask them how they feel if you draw a picture of Mohammed. Here’s a hint; they’re lying if they say it’s OK you will not be harmed for doing so. Too many people need 24 hour protection from Muslims for breaching an Islamic law they do not adhere to. if it were just a few it would not be so dangerous.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:16 PM

    @Red Marauder: Thanks, you’re helping make the point. If there were an overarching authority on Islamic doctrine it might be possible to control how the Koran and Hadits are interpreted but there is not. The general precept is that they are to be intercepted literally a hierarchy of which supersedes what. That Mohammed was the perfect man whose behavior was perfect and to be emulated is also a common interpretation. That Mohammed was a pedophile (having sex with 9yo child he married when she was 6) is irrelevant. There are some Islamic scholars pushing for reform, but guess what? They are being attacked not just by the radical Islamists but by the leftists too. One powerful reformer is Majjid Nawaz, he has been branded an anti Muslim extremist by the SPLC. Look at how Ayaan Hirsi needs 24 hour armed protection for speaking out! I understand that virtue signalling makes you feel good and gets you kudos from your left wing peers, but it’s ignorance of the highest order.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:20 PM

    @Ron North: cant accept what other people are saying so banning them is the answer, how about not reading the comments section people have a right to comment without worrying about your sensitivity

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:37 PM

    @Mike:
    Yep seriously they’d gladly draw a picture of Mohammed and better still draw it in a bad light.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:52 PM

    @Mike: even if you left out the terrorist aspect,what great do they bring to our western values

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:27 PM

    @Ron North: like getting people banned ,allso talking about organized group you seem to be very friendly with some commenters on here

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:39 PM

    @Din8rtd: Anybody who does this publically is risking their necka or giving themselves a security headache at best. Sure individual Muslims might take it or leave it on the whole Islam is part of the community and people don’t stand up to those fundamentalists.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 3:32 PM

    @Ron North: I can only speak for myself in saying that I don’t organise with anyone re posting here. It shows a level of paranoia on your part that you think people are organised against your world view. Calling for us to be banned, typical leftist unable ti debate a point of view.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 4:21 PM

    @Kal Ipers:
    Maybe the reason why posts expressing a viewpoint different to yours are being ‘thumbed up rapidly’ is because more people agree with that viewpoint than your own?
    Just a thought.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 4:22 PM

    @Mike: there is also no a-posterior reason to believe that Islam cannot be reformed, because history shows that religions have changed and been reformed throughout time.

    Human beings are the architects of the social world, and make everything in it, from money and family, to race, nations, and beauty.

    From a social science view point, then, all religions are social constructions, which have evolved and reformed in accord with social developments

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    Sep 16th 2017, 4:33 PM

    @Red Marauder: to enhance my point above:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-20547335 – Gay-friendly mosque opens in Paris

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:35 PM

    @Red Marauder: I’m all for a reformed Islam. I just think it’s frustrating and unhelpful the way leftists side with extremist islamists to intimidate and threaten reformists and ez Muslims.

    I don’t buy the whole religion is a social construct thing. Marxists say a lot of things are social constructs.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 9:08 AM

    @Kal Ipers: IT WAS A HOAX by the security services…..people you really NEED to wake the f** up fast !!

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:56 AM

    “Unaccompanied minor”?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 1:04 PM

    I’m just back from Paris and never felt safer. At Versailles Palace, I actually thanked a group of soldiers for their high-profile protection. No matter where, and even back home, a simple thank you, helps keep these individuals focused.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:42 PM

    @Paul Culligan: ahh that sounds lovly soldiers with guns to shoot any nutter who wants to kill innocent families out shopping ,now i know were i am not going on holiday

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    Sep 16th 2017, 6:09 PM

    @ian kennedy: These Jihadists don’t like meeting Security Forces head-on. They like to operate in the shade, just like Satan. Get used to it.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:59 PM

    @Paul Culligan: unlike you i would not get used to it.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:35 PM

    Britain has allowed numerous undocumented immigrants who are clearly adult men posing as children in through their borders. Britain needs to close it’s open door policy and protect its citizens….. not good enough

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:58 AM

    When the squaddies start shoot innocents victim on the street we see how Londoners like it. It was grand when they were over harassing and shooting the paddies year ago in Northern Ireland, but now it come home to their door step we see how they like it.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:19 AM

    @mickmc: So a leftist celebrates the murder/attempted murder of Londoners. “we see how they like it”, looking forward to more are we? Unsurprising but still rotten.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:56 AM

    @mickmc: short memory? They already shot an innocent man on the Tube a few years back

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:58 AM

    @Mike: What are you rambling on about man. Did you actually read my comment or do you even know what a squaddie is? It a member of her majesty forces who the British establishment were quiet happy to deploy on the street of Ireland to reek havoc. Time will tell whether they are as happy to let them do what they do best around the streets of London and other Uk cities.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:03 AM

    @mickmc: Hell, we were even heroes when we walked the streets of Kabul, Kandahar, Al Khidr and Basra. Plenty people liked it when we marched and patrolled in their streets.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:42 PM

    @mickmc: I know what a squaddie is. I took you post to mean you’d be happy with Londoners getting shot. Looking back over your post, I’m not sure what point you were making, my bad.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 5:15 PM

    A comment regarding London Mayor deleted, perhaps there was some swearing? There was a good point made regarding Islamic political victories and how they may encourage/embolden Islamic terrorists or potential Islamic terrorists.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:10 PM

    No doubt, son of an immigrant .

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:15 PM

    So sad. What does an 18 year old know about life and the world. It’s depressing to think what the poor child had been poisoned with to think this was right.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:54 AM

    Surely they have CCTV of someone carrying a plastic BUCKET !! …..lol…..this is hoax all day long !! keep believing sheep !!

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    Sep 17th 2017, 9:06 AM

    @newbie: where is it so ? this is a hoax all day long…..investigate and open your eyes for gods sake…..IT IS NOT MUSLIMS !!

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:45 AM

    Running away with his tail between his legs,the dirty coward.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 9:05 AM

    @Kieran Conroy: where is the CCTV of a man carrying a bucket through london and on to a train ? lol…..it is a false flag operation……people are really so dumb it is scary…..

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    Sep 16th 2017, 8:53 AM

    a bucket on fire in a train……this a hoax !! 100% …….total bull !! If you see the video of the burning bucket you will know…

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    Sep 16th 2017, 9:23 AM

    @Johnnathan Biskalero: Yikes! Can you outline – in detail – your evidence that this was a hoax?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 11:51 AM

    @Honeybadger197:

    He doesn’t need evidence, he has crippling paranoia to support him.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:29 PM

    @Thought for Food: True that!

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:52 PM

    @Johnnathan Biskalero: I saw the video of the bucket and I don’t know.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:47 PM

    @Johnnathan Biskalero: i know thats why he was playing hide and seek.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 10:10 PM

    Speaking mathematically (not religiously or politically) please note European death rates as follows from 2016: Road deaths 26,100, falls down stairs 11,600 (approx), terrorist attacks 196. Live your life, don’t ever think about terrorism, hold the bannister and wear a seatbelt.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 12:10 AM

    @Radioska: sane, rational and proportionate.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 1:12 AM

    @Radioska: comparing accidents to homicide is not rational.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 2:08 PM

    @Dave J: that’s great. Care to tell us how you measure ‘unwilling to integrate’? Or ‘unable to contribute to Irish society? And a quick question – you do understand the vastness and diversity in Africa right?

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    Sep 17th 2017, 9:03 AM

    @All Hail Bukowski: stop talking shiite !! it was a false flag operation to scare the public …people you need to get your heads out of your arssesss…….#dangerouslydumb

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    Sep 17th 2017, 12:09 AM

    ISIS is very successful at triggering fear and hate.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 2:10 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: who is making ISIS stronger ?

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:17 PM

    Did they Catch the Ennis Murderer of the Black Taxi Emigrant MAN of yesterday ?
    Now because of your Racist Comment we will see more Crime related to Emigrants.
    This newspaper Tolerate Racist Comment and Spread Hatred from comments.
    Soon Brexit, the Irish in North will live under DUP Rules.
    you will see what Emigrants means in their own country.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 12:22 PM

    @femo: in English please, can’t understand a word of your comment.

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    Sep 16th 2017, 7:54 PM

    @femo:
    I thought it was found that he died of natural causes, or was that a different guy?

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    Sep 17th 2017, 2:09 AM

    @Johnny Gunn: Can we meet up and Talk face to face ?
    Last time I met a Troll was in a wheelchair, that was his income plus disability allowance.

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    Sep 17th 2017, 9:10 AM

    there is a hole in the bucket the bucket the bucket….lol…..people it was a hoax……ffs….how dumb are you ?

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    Sep 17th 2017, 9:01 AM

    a burning bucket not a bomb….they said nobody noticed a bucket on the train…..HOAX all day long…..a false flag !!

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    Sep 17th 2017, 12:03 AM

    this place is becoming like a ghost town

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