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LUAS OPERATORS TRANSDEV have confirmed it is investigating an incident which occurred at Bluebell Luas stop on Friday.
A video posted on social media shows an altercation between two uniformed Luas staff members and a young man.
The man is then pulled to the ground and restrained by both staff members at the side of the platform.
“This incident is under investigation,” a spokesperson for Transdev confirmed. “Once
“We are making no further comment at this time,” they added.
A spokesperson for An Garda Síochána said: “Gardaí attended the scene of an incident at Bluebell Luas Stop that occurred at approximately 5.30pm on Friday 27th September 2019. As this matter is currently under investigation, it would not be appropriate for An Garda Síochána to comment further on this matter at this time.”
Gardaí and Transdev are also investigating another incident which saw an intending Luas passenger restrained on the ground for several minutes by staff members from the private firm tasked with providing security on the Luas system.
Transdev has said it is investigating all of the facts associated with this incident, which happened on the platform of the city centre Jervis Street stop on Thursday evening last week.
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To be fair, when you see how some people at on public transport, i
@Rob LLoyd: I am not surprised this happened , it’s time we had a dedicated transport police service,
@Rob LLoyd: a dedicated transport police? Dublin is not a big place, we don’t need Garda sitting on the red line all day long.
@Shawn O’Ceallaghan: I think you’ll find you actually might !
@Shawn O’Ceallaghan: I can only think that you don’t use the red line Luas so. Transport is completely necessary. The Dart isn’t much better to be honest.
@Rob LLoyd: do you have more than one ID and forget to sign out of Rob Lloyd to comment on the posting
@Shawn O’Ceallaghan: maybe put them on the Blue Line. The thin one, that is.
@Maria McGovern: No , I posted by mistake before finishing comment, Fat Finger Syndrome , my bad
@Maria McGovern: you can clearly see he continued his comment…. You must have a pathetic life if that’s what you decided to comment on.
@Shawn O’Ceallaghan: Toronto brought one in with powers of arrest when trouble started on their metro
@Shawn O’Ceallaghan: well they could also go onto the Green Line to make it less boring for them
As a regular user, Some of behaviour by ‘passengers’ is criminal, as a regular user I’ve seen drug use, assaults, verbal harassment of passengers and staff.
I’ve even seen gangs of teenagers jumping on luas to abuse security, shouting at them you can t touch us, to point I’ve seen security get off and leave passengers at kids mercy
but I have also seen security see troublemakers on luas and wait for next one.do occasionally feel sorry for them.
Sad to say worst trouble makers never asked for ticket by inspectors either.
Security need some powers but also then need to be accountable via complaints procedure.
Have any of you been on either Red/Green Luas s recently and seen what those guards and men in black have to put up with ?
I’m from down the country. But every time I go to Dublin I need to use the luas and see some amount of lunatics on board.
So what. Don’t let the filth run this city. Run them out instead.
@Alan McArdle: Richest county by far…..chew on that bog boy, we pay for your services so kneel and pay due respect.
@Peter Hughes: Take care not to get shot.
@Peter Hughes: Absolutely stupid comment !
@Mary Mc Carthy: FACT
@Peter Hughes: Troll. Or stupid tribal Gom
@Peter Hughes: idiot
i watched the video it was very heavy handed and the boy didn’t even raise a hand to the bullies
@☘: they had taken his property and were bullying him before they assaulted him. Hope he sues the s hi te out of them
@☘: U didnt see the whole situation that led up to that
If they’re suspended or let go, I wouldn’t be surprised if their fellow ticket inspectors went on strike.
Shocked reading the comments here, has everyone lost rational thought??
Yes we shouldnt have sc umbags and junkies intimidating people but equally we cant have private security acting like this, the security guards here should be sacked and possible charged with assault
@Thomas Maher: I sometimes wait for a bus close to Red Cow luas stop. It seems luas security do change shifts there or something like that. I have always see them to go through ticket machines checking every change slots right after they get off the train. They do it right in front of all of the people there.
Jaysus…this isn’t news
Last time I went on the Luas, I had two men (where I say men I mean words I can’t say due to Journal filter) kick a pregnant woman in the stomach and there was a fight. I genuinely feared for my life as idk if the scrots were carrying or not.
These security firms seem to attract trouble
@Tommy Byrne: They’re ticket inspectors
@Tommy Byrne: To be fair, trouble is rarely dished out unwarranted.
@Daniel Dunne: have you seen the video?? Look to me like he wanted to get his paperwork back off them
@Tommy Byrne: Have you seen the video…oh wait half a video,there fixed your response.Two sides to every story we only see half a video here not the full story
@Jim O Brien – TechBuzz Ireland: a half a story is better than a one sided story
@Jim O Brien – TechBuzz Ireland: well last nights story when it broke had witnesses saying that the young lad why trying to defend a defenceless elderly person from being abused by the two LUAS thugs and they didn’t take kindly to it and attacked him after taking his phone of him of the recording he had of them, but sure it’s the journal, you never get the full story and proper news from them.
Brute force is happening because people of sick the anti social behaviour by passengers this would not be tolerated in any other country… FFS the government knew this was eventually happen.
Now they might take action and give power to security
Imagine how scary it must be for the ordinary folk going about their business having to put up with and see this sorta thing on the Luas so regularly. Then the powers that be who will never have to use public transport to get to their ivory towers, want people forced from their cars and packed into public transport like cattle without any thinking of maybe some extra gardai or a dedicated transport police to try curb this sorta thing and the rest, where you have gangs of abusive youths or individuals on drink or drugs threatening people with it seems very little in the way of protection, unless these kind of security guards are around.
I’d pity anyone living up there
Can the journal or anybody clarify the law here not their opinion of the law. Garda have the right to physically restrain people, event security eg at a concert Don’t. Do luas staff or those hired by transdev have the right to physically restrain people? Reasonable force is not an answer and not stated on the luas website T&C’s
@gary mullen: The “ticket inspectors ” can ask you to leave with a calm open hand to the back to escort you off, that’s even pushing it, they can’t use any form of force unless directly attacked to defend themselves in self defence only. The young guy was a dick, but they broke the law and can be charged for assaulting him. Only the guards would have the authority to forcibly remove him if they believe he is causing a public disorder offence.
@Trevor Donoghue: thanks, that’s what I thought. I know there is a lot of undesirable people using public transport in Dublin but under no circumstances should a hand be put on them, unless like you said in self defense.
@gary mullen: any restraint, garda or otherwise, has to be proportionate. Was this?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2450701081633025&id=100000794719810&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i
@gary mullen: any use of force, garda or otherwise, has to be proportionate. Was this?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2450701081633025&id=100000794719810&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i
@Matt Connolly: in my opinion Matt, no but like I said in my previous comments I can understand reasonable force being used in self defense if you are defending yourself from being attacked. From this video and again my opinion as I was not there at the time, this level of force was uncalled for and unjustified. I do not know what happened before this but there is no need for the luas staff to act in that way as the chap was not attacking them from that video. I suggest you look at my previous question / commet as I’m not quite sure what your point is?
@Matt Connolly: @Matt Connolly: in my opinion Matt, no but like I said in my previous comments I can understand reasonable force being used in self defense if you are defending yourself from being attacked. From this video and again my opinion as I was not there at the time, this level of force was uncalled for and unjustified. I do not know what happened before this but there is no need for the luas staff to act in that way as the chap was not attacking them from that video. I suggest you look at my previous question / commet as I’m not quite sure what your point is?
@gary mullen: Event security at concerts/events etc have PSA licences and have the absolute right to restrain you if you’re being aggressive towards them or other patrons at said events. Working the events and you’d know the Garda only step in when requested by Event staff, the Garda don’t usually get involved at all.
@gary mullen: Law says any person in the jurisdiction of this country can use reasonable, proportionate and justifiable force to prevent a crime, stop a crime in progress in self defence and in defence of another. You’ll find it in the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Acts.
@Steven Moens: thank you!
@gary mullen: @ga wrong they do and can
Good on em
Bad behaviour is endemic among young elements in the lower socio-economic groups. It won’t be countered in the home and so society must battle parental neglect on an industrial scale. Education and fixing responsibility are key but how to deliver that? 3
Transdev security or revenue protection have no authority whatsoever on platforms as it’s public property. Their jurisdiction is only onboard. Whereas I think we have all seen them detain people on the platform to get their details when it is completely unlawful.
Jesus , there are some tie rags using that service , total animals , remove the security , let the animals win.
Dublins gone to Shite if your unlucky enough to live outside D4, Take the law into your own hands from now on, loads of people willing to sit & talk bollix but no one willing to help , its the Snowflakes/PC V’s the Upstarts, I know who my money’s on!
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was a very professional control and restraint they seemed to remaim calm and in control
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