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If you’re still working your way through the programme this article contains spoilers.
JERRY BUTING, ONE of the lawyers who shot to prominence following his appearance in Netflix’s Making a Murderer series, has explained a vital point in the case.
During his trial – in a move that was a surprise to some viewers – Steven Avery declined to take the stand.
Speaking on Newstalk Breakfast this morning with Ivan Yates, Buting explained some of the possible reasons why this might have been.
Taking the stand
Clarifying that he was speaking in general terms as his discussions with Avery were subject to attorney-client privilege, Buting said the decisions over whether or not a client testifies are “always complicated”.
“Criminal defendants very often don’t have a lot of education or they may be afraid of public speaking,” he explained.
Versus polices officers, for instance, who are really professional witnesses. They come and testify all the time.
“There is the other problem when a defendant does testify, jurors tend to weigh that testimony against the police testimony and decide which one is more believable, when that is really not what the law says.
“… [It] is a difficult thing for people to do because it is not usually the way we make decisions in ordinary, daily life – where we do weigh one person against another.”
He also said that there was a “catch-22″ with a defendant taking the stand that “people might think, ‘oh why should we believe him, he’s got everything at stake, he’s got motivation to lie?’.
But then if you don’t put him on, ‘What is he hiding? Why doesn’t he testify?’ You’re kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
International sex symbols
During the interview, host Yates went on to asking Buting about the legions of female fans that him and fellow attorney Dean Strang have attracted since the programme aired.
Buting said it was “flattering” but not really the “most important outcome” of the programme. He also added that it was something only his and Strang’s wives had known “for years”.
Fans of the show will be able to catch Strang tomorrow night when he appears on RTÉ’s The Ray D’Arcy Show tomorrow night.
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Not a word from his father yet. What’s the story there.
@James O’Brien: just what I and many others are thinking-When is Dad been deported back to his own country-I’m sure he’d get the same heros welcome as Colm O Gorman and company are going to give his son here.
@James O’Brien: There is something really wrong with you people, reach out and seek help
@James O’Brien:
I just hope that the next time that they go on a holiday that they go the Disney or Tayto park, like normal families.
I would hardly encourage my family members to attend a political rally or demonstration in a foreign land.
@George Vladisavljevic: its Time the Irish media wised up .. http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html
@George Vladisavljevic: “Like normal families”
You don’t go on holidays to visit your relatives much, do you? That is something normal families do.
@meatyslaps: how do u know he doesn’t go on holidays much-i’ve taken my family to Disney-is that not normal.
@Martin Critten: It’s about time that you wised up Martin. I fear that you have been misled by the phenomenon known as fake news. I suppose you’re easily duped, like many others on this site, because of your prejudice against Islam. I urge you to read more on Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood, but use independent sources, not the rubbish that you have posted.
@TheBluffmaster2: It is normal – but going to visit relatives in different countries is normal too.
@Darren Gray: You only have to read the Quran to understand Islam , no need for any right wing websites . The Quranic verses which order the instruction of non believers should be enough for anyone , they are repeated enough times by jihadis before they go on a rampage .
And the fact that most of the Irish imams who have ever been asked on camera if they want to see sharia here have all replied yes , if they had the numbers .
@Paddy Hayden: (destruction)
@meatyslaps: yes but attending protests for an outlawed organization while on a ” supposed ” holiday???-Come on Meaty?
@Darren Gray:
Can you name any factual inaccuracy on the Mark Humphreys page? Be specific – I’m genuinely interested if you have counterevidence.
Meanwhile speaking of wising up, you went very quiet when I posted the following link outlining Morsi’s human rights abuses in Egypt yesterday. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you may not have seen it, so here it is again:
http://www.cihrs.org/?p=6849&lang=en
“One year after Morsi became president, it is now clear that the priority of the presidency—and, of course, the Muslim Brotherhood —was to firmly establish the underpinnings for a new authoritarian regime in place of the Mubarak regime. It is no surprise, therefore, that the past year witnessed widespread human rights crimes, on a scale that rivaled than under the Mubarak regime…..
…..The brutal suppression of political and social protest movements did not cease; indeed, the security forces are no longer the only party to use of excessive force against demonstrators, as MB supporters have also been given free rein to use violence to punish and intimidate their opponents, including through torture and even killings, whether at the gates of the presidential palace, in front of the main MB headquarters in Muqattam, or in squares in other governorates.”
@meatyslaps:
I am all for visiting families, but who shoved him onto the stage in front of a microphone at the Muslim Brotherhood rally?
@George Vladisavljevic: and yet, not guilty. It’s almost as if being on a stage isn’t an act of terrorism.
@James O’Brien:
I believe the 3 not so pretty / ugly sisters as would be said ! Beauty is only skin deep but ugliness is to the bone did as much harm as good ! For him for start they jumped bail themselves !
Criticised many well meaning people in our country ! Hopefully I don’t have to see them on screen / media any longer
If there’s one thing we can thank young the Halawas for is keeping the spotlight on islamism and the failure to integrate here in Ireland .
Wouldn’t it be nice if after 20 years of being here in Ireland , the father could come on TV and thank the people (in English) who supported his son , but I wouldn’t hold my breath on that .
@Paddy Hayden: (the young Halawas)
@Paddy Hayden: maybe he’s been reading the comments on the journal?!
@john Appleseed: As they’re not written in Arabic , I’d say that’s unlikely .
@Paddy Hayden: good point and let’s acknowledge the journal for randomly resurrecting this story every few weeks when required to cover their absence of real journalism … Lazy , cheap tabloid headlines. Thank god there is no homelessness, Rent crisis , health crisis, Spiralling house prices etc etc all those issues would require research, facts and competent journalism.
@DB: I’m sure we’ll get a lovely article when young Ibrahim gets handed the keys to his brand new social house , for himself and his new wife .
@Paddy Hayden: he’s not Irish
@Scorpionvenomm: I’ll just say that on paper he is Irish , what’s in his heart ? well he made that clear on stage in Cairo .
Our Government needs to hang their head in shame ……… they have battled for years and sent out delegates on numerous occassions to Egypt, highlighted on a weekly basis this case, spent thousands upon thousands of tax payers money on legal fees, yet we allow one of our own, Ava Twomey, to be exiled out of her own country, due to an illness she has no control over. Ava’s mother had to walk from Cork to the Dail to raise awarness of her situation, and on arrival was treated by our wonderful Government with disdain. Where are all our Minister’s when it comes to Ava Twomey and her family ? where are all the delegates flying out to the Netherlands ? where are our Government offering “to do everything in their power to bring Ava Twomey home ?
I just hope when it comes election time everybody in the Country, particularly County Cork, remembers the treatment of one of their own, a six year old little girl, who’s only crime is being forced abroad to receive treatment for a life threatning condition.
@Chris Kelly: very well put!!!!!!
MB are to be welcomed…..if our own fall I’ll….tough
@Chris Kelly: why don’t you become a consultant neurologist and apply for the exemption?
@Chris Kelly: I can’t imagine that Vera Twomey would be happy with you using her sick daughter in this way.
The Irish government has a massive amount of resources at it’s disposal to help sick children without ignoring the plight of a 17 year old lad in an Egyptian prison.
It’s not a dichotomy between the two cases. Can you understand that? Assisting one case does not mean that the other case must get no help.
@Coles: Vera Twomey has spoken out on this and she wants yous to stop using her daughter as some ploy.
@Chris Kelly: Very well said. Typical of the Irish Government, look after everyone except their own! The Government should be ashamed!
@Elaine Buckley: born and raised in Dublin
Are these the same three sisters who skipped bail?
@Shane Kinsella: Yes they are. It now appears that this entire episode is going to be whitewashed over and a new narrative written, with the full consent of the media. I wonder if the critical comments are going to be deleted, like yesterday, giving a false impression. Free speech is certainly dead in this country.
What do these sister contribute to the pot?Do they work?Can they name one of their Irish neighbours?…no to all..I’m guessing..
@evelyn mc carthy: Have you ever gotten any information about this or are you Judy completely assuming? I think the latter.
@evelyn mc carthy: Good grief. And you’re basing your assertions on what exactly, Evelyn?
@Kevin Kerr:
Assumptions based on ‘I’m guessing’
@Nick Allen: Or “Im prejudiced”
@evelyn mc carthy: Well you are a drain on society, you incite hatred, are a member of a cult, take shits in your neighbours gardens, claim welfare for 5 kids that are not yours, live in social housing, have 62 previous convictions and are into beastiality……… im guessing, and it is probably a better guess than yours.
@evelyn mc carthy: you’re guessing?? You know nothing about them. Are you proud to be a racist and a bigot?
If he appears with tubbs on Friday night to regale us with his ordeal first time viewers will be confused as to which one was on hunger strike.
@Dave Hogan: lol
@Dave Hogan: I would skip bail too if I thought I was going to be incarcerated in a horrible prison for four years.
@Aine O Connor: wrong address I live below Shane.
Is he booked on ryanair if he is it might take a bit longer. As for his father not speaking at all regarding his son. He can’t speak english & Dr Ali Selim is not available to translate. If you believe that you will believe anything. No son or daughter is allowed to leave the home without the permission of the senior male member of the family. In otherword his father gave the 4 of them permission. Who do you think paid for the tickets. It could have been you & me the tax payer. Now that he is comming back to ireland wait for the 3 sisters to take a case to the high courts to get their husbands here at your & my expense.
@bings: your comment reeks of prejudice and bigotry.
@Fiona deFreyne: Thats what i love about the Ireland of now ,we are able to express our feeling,s,Long may it continue.
@ian kennedy: not necessarily true Ian. I know of 1 man who got hounded out of his job by so called liberals for giving his opinion.
@Nigel Healy: Was he blaming rape victims for getting raped? Did his commercial sponsors not want to be associated with his comments?
@Nigel Healy: i am with you the liberals are a big problem
@Nigel Healy: has he been fired?
@Fiona deFreyne: ..and your comment reeks of naivety and being a snowflake ..ahhhh.
The final quote she said “we didn’t participate in anything”… But the there is video of them speaking from the stage in Tahir Square!!!(Taqiyya)
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http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html#passport
@Remy: I don’t consider Mark Humphys to be a credible source.
@Fiona deFreyne: Will you believe video evidence ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2j6G0psL3s
@Fiona deFreyne: could you refute any of what he wrote though? What he did was embarrass the wailing sisters whose story of innocently being caught up whilst on holiday was blown out of the water. Nothing to do with the trial itself or subsequent release but if he does any media interviews he needs to address his whole trip and not only the cry me a river part. He has lost a large part of his youth and this will shape him for the better I hope.
@Fiona deFreyne: you believe your eyes and ears
@Fiona deFreyne: I didn’t either but then I watched Prime Time – https://youtu.be/L7mQs_Da7L0 and now the sisters are suing the state to allow husbands with questionable pasts in. He was not there by accident or an innocent bystander.
@Fiona deFreyne:
Hmmm, Let me think about that for a second “Lian”, Mark Humphries or the stumbled onto a stage while on stage while on “holidays”.. or was it they were out for a Choc ice story?
Which sister are you anyway??
@Fiona deFreyne : Can you give your reasons for not considering Mark Humphreys a credible source? Can you disprove anything he was written? He is a respected scholar on several subjects and you are just an anonymous voice still going through avatar gender reassignment.. Tony.
@Patrick J. O’Rourke: well first of all, none of you can spell his name properly and second his pieces are based on opinion. Some fool above put #passport after Humphrys name. Humphrys has said that he has seen no evidence and knows of no evidence that Halawi destroyed his passport
@Dave O Keeffe:
Ahh Dave, the big man around town, still chasing Russians? I’ve called you out before and I’m calling you out now, fancy discussing this over a cup of tea and you can tell me to my face? Or are nothing but a coward Jihadi keyboard warrior?? Hmmm?
@Remy: what are you even talking about? I wasn’t even talking to you. Skip the cup of tea, you and me, behind the bike shed after your communion practice.
@Remy: also, since when is offering me tea calling me out? It’s more like asking me out but whatever you’re into.
@Dave O Keeffe: Firstly that was my autocorrect from my phone on the spelling of his name as one of my old mates has that spelling and it just does that if I’m not watching it. Secondly you are right on the passport front and he details that. I’ve never even mentioned the passport anywhere as to me it’s irrelevant. I still reiterate that no one here has been able to prove anything he says as false and produce evidence to the contrary of what he says. He’s a methodical academic and not a random blogger. His piece on Halawa are just facts that he has substantiated and when they are not substantiated he says so..as in the passport. So again, if you have material to contribute to the facts I’m all ears.
@Dave O Keeffe:
I guess if yer dumb enough not to know when you’ve been called out then you’ll never get it.
@Remy: still waiting behind the sheds, where are you stupid?
@Patrick J. O’Rourke: my point is that he should not be putting speculation in with facts. For example, the passport FACT: there is no evidence that the passport has been destroyed. NON-FACT: baseless speculation about how and why he destroyed his passport. Having the two of those in the same blog is devious Both can’t be accurate and therefore he disproves himself
Don’t forget these pair of ungrateful clowns are sueing the state for not allowing their Pakistani husband’s come over here to live. It’s all take and no give with this lot.
@Darren Mccarthy: that’s a separate issue.
@Darren Mccarthy:
Didn’t realise that, I thought your spouse was allowed in the country, is that not the case?
@Nick Allen: They still have to pass security checks , that’s the least the state can do to protect it’s other citizens .
I would imagine they are having a bit of an issue with that , otherwise they would have sailed into the country without a hiccup , it would be interesting to know what the hold up is alright .
@Paddy Hayden: I would say that they key to that mystery lies in two questions. How and where did they meet their husbands and what was the role of the father in their marriages. Considering the father is MB Royalty I would hope the security services are on the case.
@Paddy Hayden:
Thx Paddy and that does make sense
@Nick Allen: Well our government that usually allows almost anyone in has stopped these two from coming over. I would be suprised if its just a paperwork issue.
@Fiona deFreyne: That didn’t stop you raising seperate issues in relation to George Hook…???
What a pathetic government, open arms for terrorism supporters in the fear their reputation may be hindered
@John O Connor:
The ultimate irony is that if the Halawas were open supporters of a white supremacist neo-nazi group like the KKK they would (quite rightly) be ostracised by the various politicians and Amnesty etc., but it doesn’t seem to bother them in the slightest that the family are open supporters of an extreme-right islamic supremacist group whose goal is to impose Sharia law and who are regarded as an illegal organisation by many governments.
Vomit inducing.
I’m had an open mind about whether or not he’d be found guilty of any crime in Egypt, but either way that doesn’t change my abhorrence of the MB and all that they stand for.
@Avina Laaf:
The MB are IS-lite
@Avina Laaf: specific evidence ?
@Fiona deFreyne: Of what exactly ? I think the onus is on the Halawas to distance themselves from the MB , and none of that Taqiiya BS .
@Fiona deFreyne:
You realise that the whole reason they were detained was for speaking at a MB rally right?
@Avina Laaf: But not only that , for refusing to leave the mosque when ordered to , other people left during the trouble , and being in a mosque where gunfire was coming from , gunfire that killed a policeman .
And being on Al Jazeera saying you will fight to the last bullet is not a good look really , even if he was a dumb kid .
Either way, you don’t need to take my word for it – the accusation that Halawa senior is a leading figure in the MB comes from other Irish-based muslims, as detailed in this Wikileaks cable:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06DUBLIN798_a.html
and summarised in this Journal article (which appeared before their Halawa love affair began):
http://www.thejournal.ie/usa-had-concerns-over-dublin-based-muslim-think-tank-wikileaks-126383-Apr2011/
@Fiona deFreyne:
“It is doubtful that [Halawa] or others suspected of MB involvement operate independently of some informal conservative Islamic or MB hierarchy.”
I wonder just how radicalized he has become in prison?
@Steve: if he wasn’t hard-core when he went off on his merry way protesting…….well he SURE IS NOW
@Frank Dubogovik:
If he wasn’t hard core and if he was innocent then would you blame him for becoming radicalised?
@Frank Dubogovik: you don’t know that. It may be that Halawa recognises the dangers of any totalitarian and ideologically driven regime.
@Steve: It’ll be interesting to see how his beard is coming along .
@Fiona deFreyne: If he does recognise the dangers of any totalitarian and ideologically driven regime he’s going to have one hell of a row with his father. I suspect not.
@Nick Allen: YES I WOULD…. sharia law, isis, MB……they are all evil and as an Irish man I DON’T WELCOME THEM TO OUR SOCIETY. I grew up in the “troubles” …..always prayed that our Nation would one day be free of terrorism. …now you imply we’re to roll out the red carpet for a MB poster boy. He wasn’t arrested for slurping a 99 ice cream on the beach on holidays
@Fiona deFreyne:
“It may be that Halawa recognises the dangers of any totalitarian and ideologically driven regime”
He went over there to support one of them FFS!
Ireland are having Katherine Zappone on in a few min to tell us I assume that he as innocent. how he had a difficult time. The longest fast in history.
@bings: I am pleased that he did not starve himself to death. It is a horrible death. Halawa is a human being and an Irish citizen.
@bings: thanks for the warning
@Fiona deFreyne: so why burn his Irish passport? Citizen he is not. https://youtu.be/L7mQs_Da7L0
@John Gough: got proof that he burned it? You know, other than people saying he did. Even Humphrys says there’s no proof
@Fiona deFreyne: He deserved a fair trial & should have had it sooner. However he is a human being who has no respect for the rights of others. He supports an organisation that supports executing gays, treating women as 2nd class citizens and murdering Muslims who leave the faith. You can support his rights but despise what he stands for. The mosque he belongs to are affiliated with the extremist MB. Why are so many people uncritically idiolising him?
Change the F@@king record please..Sprouting Sh!te for the past couple of years…..
@Bobby Neary: for the last three years.
@Fiona deFreyne: He is talking about you.
The bigots are really hurting.
@Coles: I think everyone expected him to be released , but now the fun begins when he has to answer questions on tv and in print , or not as the case might be .
Interesting times ahead , and plenty of people with spare batteries in case the media spotlight should start to fade on this family .
Whats the story with the parents not supporting their son? What is wrong with them? Weird
@Zx5vZulB: In fairness , the mother has been over there for a while so they say . But never the less it’s odd that she has never been interviewed for whatever reason .
Deport the 70.
that’s my new campaign.
deport the 70 know terrorist sympathisers in Ireland.get them out we don’t want you here.
@Red hurley: Have you listed them and made a formal complaint to An Garda Siochana?
@Fiona deFreyne: It’s the Gardai who have said they are monitoring 70 islamists , numpty !
Colours of the placards in the main photo are very striking, MB solidarity perhaps….. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/203449/new-muslim-brotherhood-symbol-r4bia-dawn-perlmutter
@Remy: a sign 4 RABIA, the site of a mass murder of Muslim Brotherhood supporters. I don’t really get what you’re saying. Are you supporting mass murder or just upset that there’s a symbol to remind us of the event
@Dave O Keeffe:
I suppose it makes a change from the usual mass murders that the Coptic Christian community in Egypt must endure at the hands of the MB. By the way, you sh#tebag, I was referencing the colours of the placards which one of the screaming sisters is holding which are the exact same as the MB colours, you Dhimmi fool, and if you read the headline in the link, “New MB symbol, rebranding of Jihad”
Seamy O’Halawai will be delighted to be back in time to see Dublin parade Sam through the capital.
The Cork guy imprisoned in Philippines is a much more worthy cause for “our government” to work on .
O god is their no end to this nonsence.
From the article it is implying that he was released due to his sisters protests and intervention on his (and their) behalf, but we have been told before that the case was concluded and in a timely manner for Egypt, was he found not guilty due to pressure? This would be the only reason that the sisters protests worked.
@GClare: he was acquitted after four years of investigation turned up no evidence.
10 irishmen died on hunger strike a stone’s throw up the motorway while this blow in hasn’t the balls of his convictions yet us revered by the Irish liberal snow flakes … makes me puke.
I think this bearded innocent child should be given the freedom of Dublin City that they want to take back from Aung San Suu Kyi.
@John Campbell: you missed both birds with those stones.
@Fiona deFreyne: you’re familiar with stone throwing then?
@Fiona deFreyne : You badly need a holiday in Saudi, Iraq or Syria then you can witness a real stoning for yourself. Why not take in a few executions while you’re there. I’m not making light of it either as I’ve done exactly that many years ago. I’ve also seen the inside of a Saudi jail for being caught at those things in the cause of journalism. You seem to at best, to give it credibility or at worst welcome it in Europe. You seem to think that this particular ideology is intellectually similar to ours. It’s not. You and your ilk are dangerous and when it does come here you may well fall foul of it first.
Well done for keeping it public. Strong sisters I would be proud to have!
How the journal kept the case alive alright. Not fooling me. The irish media have built him up just to knock him down. Cant wait
@Peter Barlow: is that the actual level of your mentality?
@Peter Barlow: Hope you are right. Cant see it happening, the Irish media are too far gone.
He was found innocent so it is over and done with but I hope he appreciates it and and when he arrives home he speaks out about the type of country we would have if we we under that type of regime
Fantastic news
@Graham Thew: Congrratulations boy or girl ,your partying days are over
Far from being Irish just a total abuse of an Irish passport and the good will of Irish people,who are they going to sue now that he’s out I suppose they will find some reason to sue the country that gave them a home.
TIME WILL TELL
His Name will pop up in the future connected to some form of lawlessness
It is a good thing that Halawa has been released and can return to his home. His sisters did a magnificent job.
It is deeply disturbing and unpleasant although understandable that Halawa, and to a lesser extent the rest of his family, has become a hate figure in certain circles in Ireland who channel their hate of all Muslims through comments on Halawa. Halawa personifies for some the every Muslim and so can be attacked in a way that no non Muslim would be.
As a civilised country it is time to relent from expressions of prejudice and to welcome the return of an Irish citizen found to be innocent.
@Fiona deFreyne:
But what was he actually doing there?
@Fiona deFreyne: Fiona why don’t you emigrate to a muslim country ? .Then you can experience what is like to be a woman (even better a white western woman) in country where you will be treated like a second class citizen. .told what to wear.. where you can go..not allowed attend you own parents funeral. .raped and told it’s your fault…have sex while not married to a man or a woman and be stoned to death..if you are gay not allowed marry your partner AND stoned to death (bonus)…Muslims a great bunch of lads.
I’ll be interested to her his side of the story tbh be it will be interesting to see how he reacts to all the comments on the various articles here. Just out of curiosity like.
@Tom Tom: He will likely react with solicitors letters , I believe IP numbers have been collected over the years …
@just readin: A lot of the crazies have gone missing over the last couple of days.
@just readin: He’s in enough hot water with the people of this country without getting himself burnt even more by trying to sue people .
You must live in an echo chamber , if you ever read an article on a website that allows comments on this issue you will see that the numbers are about 80%/20% against this family and what they are perceived to stand for , islamism .
@Coles: No.the crazies are the new or extremely rare users who suddenly appeared yesterday on this site in what’s seems like an orchestrated attempt to support Halawa.
Anti Muslim hate is an emerging problem in Ireland as the Muslim haters become more extreme and vociferous.
@Fiona deFreyne: Says the man who revelled in the death of pilgrims at a catholic church in the Canary Islands .
@Paddy Hayden: he has you there tony/fiona/ micheal
@Paddy Hayden: That’s not true. It was Madeira.
@Fiona deFreyne: Muslim haters?? surely you mean terror supporting Muslims like the Muslim Brotherhood??
@Fiona deFreyne: no answer tony/ fiona / Michael surely you are not a bigot are you .
@Chad Rockett: My memory is not what it once was , I hope the Portuguese will forgive me .
Is there any end to this sxxxe…
Horrible fcukers
Ah there we go, I knew the “Halawa Watch” wochenschau is not over!
My faith in humanity is restored!
RTE are so excited over this to them he is veritable Nelson Mandela as he is to all the Irish politicians both FG and SF…..Very unlikely but I hope he is asked even his opinion on the Muslim Brotherhood and its campaign of violence in Egyot against Christians…..
@John003: What campaign of violence? Do you understand the difference between Islamic State and the Muslim Brotherhood? Read up on it.
@Coles: A transnational Sunni Islamist organisation whose goal is a worldwide caliphate under sharia law.
@Chad Rockett: There is no evidence that the Muslim Brotherhood has murdered anyone. They’re a social and political organisation.
The only way to defeat an ideology is with a better ideology, not with guns and bombs.
@Coles:
They are a designated terrorist organisation, you left that part out.
@Coles:
Up until the mid 70s the MB would use bombs and bullets to deal with their opposition, that failed but nowadays they infiltrate, political org, universities and ngos, do a little research ffs
@Remy: Where? Designated by who? The Egyptian military who carried out the coup?
Read up on it. No western country regards the Muslim Brotherhood as a ‘terrorist organisation’.
@Remy: Can you read?
@Coles:
You ignorant clown, 5 countries have designated the MB as a terrorist org, including the very country it was founded in, Egypt. The MB in the Fakestinian territories are… Hamas, another designated terrorist organisation.
The MB ARE a designated terrorist organisation,
Dhimmi fool.
Have any western countries declared the Muslim Brotherhood a ‘terrorist organisation’? No. It doesn’t meet the criteria. It has been declared a ‘terrorist organisation’ by dictators and military juntas that fear losing power, including the Egyptian military that seized power from them in a coup.
I don’t like insulting people, but you’re as thick as a bucket of sh!te. Seriously, you’re so far out of your depth.
@Coles: They were a designated terrorist organisation in Egypt long before the recent coup, you moron.
I’m convinced that most of the people in this comments section are just fake accounts run by Leo Sherlock. There’s nowhere near this level of vitriol against Ibrahim Halawa outside of the journal comments, so this just baffles me.
Ha ha! It’s funny because it actually could be true!
@Richie Smith: Have you read any of the comments on the Indo or any news site that allows comments , you will see the numbers are about 80%-20% against this family and their perceived views in relation to the MB and Islamism .
@Richie Smith: I have noticed too when certain subjects s come up there is an avalanche of comments . E.g. Tuam Babies Scandal 500 comments . Report on how children today are been neglected and taken into care which is two every day , 25 comments. Does not add up if people were truly concerned about children.
@Richie Smith: really you should bring it up in a conversation and see what people really think of this idiot and his family
@Paddy Hayden: Ah, paddy, a case in point. Where’s your FB profile ‘Paddy’? Where did it go ‘Paddy’?
@Dermot Keogh: dermot? Where’s your profile gone?
@Richie Smith: I could stick a picture of Joe blogs up and it wouldn’t make a difference , my comments are true , look at the thumbs on anti Halawa comments , on any news site that allows comment .
Do you think 50 people max , outside the Egyptian embassy is a mass turn out in support of Halawa .
If your sole argument is my not having a picture in the avatar , it shows your lack of logic . If you think you can debate on the facts , great , if not get out of the kitchen .
@Paddy Hayden: nah, i’m not going to waste my time debating with the trollbot 3000 – see ya!
@Paddy Hayden: lol, the guy who thinks thumbs are facts wants to debate the facts
@Dave O Keeffe: Still acting the goat ? Where did I say thumbs are facts ? please tell .
@Richie Smith: Actually, very few Irish people outside a Dublin 4 bubble want this Muslim Brotherhood extremist back in Ireland.
The family that never gave up……suing their benefactors.
@Deano Cracow: Fully committed to extracting the Jizya from the Dhimmi , one way or another .
I hear Varadkar is thinking of sending a private jet to pick up this Muslim Brotherhood extremist from Egypt. No doubt he will be fast tracked into a prime university course, and have free heath care and housing laid on at the Irish taxpayers expense. No wonder Halawa always has that smug grin on his face – he knows he has found a magic land of leprachauns to always look after him.
Many Trump supporters around here! The level of vitriol and ignorance!
@María Eugenia Baiardi: Do you know anything about the muslim brotherhood and their goals and tactics ?
Why do you think the people who are commenting about the connection between this family protesting for an organization who wish to eradicate all non believers from the Egypt and who refused to endorse the U.N convention on womens rights , has anything to do with a politician who lives in America , namely Trump .
@Paddy Hayden: You’re concerned about women’s rights? I bet you supported George Hook and his rape victim blaming comments.
A quick search proves me right!
@Coles: Nice try , but not good enough , So what comment did I make to support George hook ?
Was it this one about the singer Mary Coughlan ,
”When you can’t debate the topic , throw the toys out of the cot . ” I wouldn’t have supported Hooks comments , but I would be willing to argue the toss with him , and I’d make that comment all day long .
If you found any comments of mine you would like to throw at me , fire away .
Their nightmare has come to an end . A son of Ireland will return home to us soon . Common sense and freedom perveled in the end.
@Eoin: He’s not Irish and he makes that very clear himself. As he says – My land is Egypt, Ireland is where I live.
Glad he’s back ,enough already.
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