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ARCHBISHOP OF DUBLIN Diarmuid Martin is still involved in “ongoing” discussions with the Sisters of Mercy over the Mater Hospital’s stance on the new abortion law.
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In October of last year, a priest resigned from the board of the Mater Hospital in Dublin over the hospital’s decision to comply with the government’s abortion legislation, the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act.
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The priest, Father Kevin Doran, told the Irish Catholic at the time that he could not reconcile his own conscience with the hospital’s decision.
A spokesperson for Archbishop Martin said yesterday that there has been no conclusion to the talks between him and the Sisters of Mercy.
In its statement last September, the Mater Hospital said that following ‘careful consideration’ of the new legislation, its priority is to be at the “frontier of compassion, concern and clinical care” for all its patients.
Having regard to that duty the hospital will comply with the law as provided for in the act.
The Mater is one of the 25 ‘appropriate institutions’ named in the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act where legal terminations can take place under the provisions of the act.
Martin is believed to have entered discussions with the Sisters of Mercy seven months ago on the issue.
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The church think they are above the law, thats the problem,
They think its their right to do what they believe is right, unfortunately what they have believed is right in the past led to thousands of children being abused and children being sold off from their mothers!
It makes me so angry they get away with all of this sexually abusing children, lying covering it up, abuse of women, abuse of pregnant women, taking babies and having them adopted without mothers consent, illegal vaccine trials done on children in orphanages, selling the bodies of children who have died in these orphanages for medical research all without parental consent or even knowledge.
It’s a bloody disgrace
An unjust law is no law. They actually have one choice, disobey this freemasonic sanctioning of murder. Law is a means to an end, it is not the end in itself. Justice is the end of law. Many despotic governments in the past legalised the killing of innocent people. Those who initiated these laws and the many of the silent majority who stood by and facilitated them by doing nothing to stop it are all probably in hell now. God is patient but His justice endures for ever. There is an endless prison ready for abortion-pushers. They may escape in this world, but definitely not in the next.
“There is an endless prison ready for abortion-pushers. ”
Ah yeah, that stupendously facile nonsense of a concept, where genocidal maniacs like Pol Pot get the same punishment as people who merely take the lord’s name in vain. The original marketeers of the primitive concept were not even enlightened comprehend that punishment should fit the crime.
“There is an endless prison ready for abortion-pushers. ”
If this place exists it will be full of clergy men, nuns and people like you who are small minded, bigoted and judgemental so enjoy it when you’re there :)
Sorry ignornat commentators
The board could refuse to accept the law which names the mater as one of the designated hospitals and work free from state funding as a private hospital
journal.ie commentators only slightly less stupid than the staff
“The board could refuse to accept the law which names the mater as one of the designated hospitals and work free from state funding as a private hospital ”
LOL, – ah yeah, maybe the church will fund the Mater, – yeah right.
Charles Byrne, isn’t it ‘sanctioning of murder’ to allow women to die? That’s all that the law covers, terminations for women who would die otherwise. Is it ok to allow women to die?
private hospitals could refuse to be a designated center for abortions under the legislation
and you know well Kelly double barrel that thats not what is at issue here
At least I’m using my real name and account and not a random collection of letters. What does my name have to do with anything? Do you have a problem with people who have a double barreled surname? Its none of your business what I call myself.
But they haven’t refused, they have chosen to comply with the law as one of 25 designated hospitals to perform terminations where the woman’s life is in danger. How can anyone possibly have a problem with saving a woman’s life ? If the woman dies, the foetus will die anyway. Better to save one than none.
Women’s bodies are their own business. We’re in a new era not the dark priest ridden 50,s. The Catholic Church should be regarded as a quaint little institution that people can join if they want to
Nope, he does not own the hospital – he’s what they call in business speak, “an interested stakeholder” (after the horse has bolted). Even if he did own it; it wouldn’t matter. The law is the law, and must be obeyed.
This is what we all have to stand up against. The fact is that many of our major hospitals (funded completely by the state and part of our national health system) are in fact managed by Catholic orders in line with their principles and ethics. Here is the statement from the governance and management structures page of St. Vincent’s University Hospital website:
“The affairs of the hospital are managed by a Board of Directors, which is responsible to the Shareholders of the company which are the Sisters of Charity. The Board, as part of its responsibility develops the hospital and its services in accordance with the principles and ethics of the Congregation of the Religious Sisters of Charity.” http://www.stvincents.ie/About_Us/Governance_&_Management_Structure.htm
It’s just totally unacceptable in this day and age that so many of our national public (and publicly-funded) services are paid for by us but controlled by the church.
Well Miss Field if you knew your history the hospital was set up and is run by these religious charities
Im sorry but I for one don’t think anyone has the right to take property from these great institutions because some lefty liberal wants to own them
Wouldn’t you be if you were once the conscience of society but are now relegated to a position where you are fighting against the momentum of society as a whole? It must be confusing when there is a 180 degree turn in public perception. People now think for themselves rather than blindly follow your narrow minded directions of conscience. They will get used to it eventually
Alphabetti, your comments show that you are more interested or maybe capable of personal attack on another poster than any form of constructive discussion. Evident last night when I repeatedly asked you a question but you avoided answering it, then just left. Please show some respect and instead of insulting me, offer credible points. Thanks
It’s clear Martin, the church and the priest really and truly believe their position on abortion. Its deeply held and at the core of their beliefs.
It’s appropriate to listen to what groups in society have to say but to weigh up the greater good. This is how secularism should work – weighing up multiple points of view regardless of (but not excluding) religious conviction.
In this case others are put at danger due to those beliefs so the greater good wins out. Martin can talk about it all day long – but in the end the elected leaders of our country have defined a law and it must be abided by regardless of religious conviction.
I agree, but we need more public awareness that our public services like this are, although paid for by us, still LEGALLY run by religious orders and this needs to be changed – that is why he feels free to intervene, because of that unacceptable fact (the same with our education system, youth services and a host of other services) – eg in the case of St. Vincent’s it says on their website:
“The affairs of the hospital are managed by a Board of Directors, which is responsible to the Shareholders of the company which are the Sisters of Charity. The Board, as part of its responsibility develops the hospital and its services in accordance with the principles and ethics of the Congregation of the Religious Sisters of Charity.” http://www.stvincents.ie/About_Us/Governance_&_Management_Structure.htm
The bill has arguably made it more difficult to have an abortion now than what it was like a year ago. I don’t know why the church is arguing about this.
As a fervent believer myself in the Monstrous Pulsating Brain Buried Deep on the Moon religion I better call the Mater myself and share my views on anaesthetics being the work of the devil, denying yourself natural pain is an affront to my beliefs.
So many Sisters have lost their vocation around the world, one hopes that + Martin can help these sisters remain faithful. It is impossible for catholics who are faithful, to accept the threat of suicide as grounds for killing the baby.
The Pope mentioned this week that there are now more Christians been martyred around the world, than in the early centuries of the church. The sisters have to decide, wherein lies their wealth, and act accordingly.
@Paddy
That is why we don’t allow the church run our country. It’s fine to have religious belief – many applaud that. But it is when those with religious belief wish to impose the implications of those beliefs on others that we must object.
Let’s remember that just because there is a law facilitating the right to life of the mother now doesn’t mean the faithful are obliged to have an abortion. But it allows to if they so choose. I think this is entirely reasonable. The faithful get to keep their faith and their beliefs and act as they wish, others get to do the same.
Paddy regardless of anyones religious beliefs the law is the law.Nobody gets to pick and choose what laws they should follow and what laws they ignore due to indoctrinated beliefs.
Blind deluded religious faith of irrational parents with blood on their hands.
The Church should stick to teaching dodgy hypocritical mythology not interfering with the laws of the land.
@ Hairy lemon
The church has no interest in running this country. You’re mixing up the huge input the church gifted this country in education and medicine, with a desire to rule.
The church never imposes, it proposes. In this situation it is the secular state which is imposing it amorality on the sisters. Imposition is in this instance been pointed at the sisters. The unfortunate outcome of the secularist saber rattling, is that many catholics will be forced to abandon their long service to the population, in medicine; but also in education, hospitality, and in many other areas of society.
It looks like we are entering an era when the monks and sisters will have to withdraw again into their monasteries, to pray for the conversation of a re-paganised society.
Grand Paddy. I don’t eat meat on ethical grounds, but if I was on the Board of a major public hospital, I would not seek to make the whole hospital’s catering vegetarian.
The fact is that far too many of our national public health services, for example major hospitals like The Mater and St. Vincent’s University Hospital, while de facto part of our public health system and entirely funded by the state via the HSE, have orders of the Catholic Church running them in line with their principles and ethos. This is totally unacceptable in a society where practising Catholics are now a significant minority.
Here is the situation with St. Vincent’s University Hospital:
“The affairs of the hospital are managed by a Board of Directors, which is responsible to the Shareholders of the company which are the Sisters of Charity. The Board, as part of its responsibility develops the hospital and its services in accordance with the principles and ethics of the Congregation of the Religious Sisters of Charity.” http://www.stvincents.ie/About_Us/Governance_&_Management_Structure.htm
I’m not singling out St. Vincent’s – they are a great hospital in may ways! It is just that their website actually clearly states the situation!
@ James Patrick Smith
Patrick, we are obliged not to follow an unjust law, and to he’ll with the consequences.
If the country enacted a law today that all teenagers are obnoxious and shall to be killed on sight, would you comply? Our own moral judgement must surely come into play.
You may consider respect for human life, purely to be an “indoctrinated” belief, but I know many good atheists who would disagree with you.
You then go off in your anti faith rant, enjoy yourself. But we should ask ourselves, if you are in hospital, would we prefer someone filled with bile looking after us, or a sister motivated to serve and protect life?
“or a sister motivated to serve and protect life” – And would that be the life of the woman you’re referring to there Paddy? Because if I was ina hospital with a pregnancy that was having a serious detrimental effect on my health I would much prefer a health professional who provides me with EVERY option and not just those that their “conscience” allows them!
Paddy, you seem to have no problem with the assumption that YOUR ethics should rule over all of us. Equating this bill that may save a mother’s life to murdering teenagers is absolutely ludicrous, as I am sure you know.
If the Catholic Church wishes to set up its own churches and run them by its own principles, then let them do that… oh wait, they already do!!! Anybody is perfectly at liberty in their choice of work to not take a job that conflict with their morals – for example I would likely not seek a job in a butcher since it would conflict with my moral beliefs – if I chose to work in a hospital in a job where I was serving meals, I would have to serve meat meals to people – no problem – do it or don’t take the job!
We do not have abortion in this country – we have a new bill that may protect the life of a tiny group of mothers in very extreme circumstances. If people cannot work within the law that the majority of people support, then they will just have to leave their job.
When I am in hospital, I would not want somebody filled with bile looking after me. or would I want somebody whose main priority is their own personal belief system at the expense of doing a good job and being a compassionate person to me, and following the law of the land.
What on earth makes you feel that (considering we all have conflicting and different beliefs in this country) the whole of society should bend to your beliefs?
“It looks like we are entering an era when the monks and sisters will have to withdraw again into their monasteries, to pray for the conversation of a re-paganised society.”
“The unfortunate outcome of the secularist saber rattling, is that many catholics will be forced to abandon their long service to the population, in medicine; but also in education, hospitality, and in many other areas of society.”
Verging on hyperbole there, Paddy.
No religion or belief system should be allowed to force their “morals” upon someone who does not share the beliefs. Catholics who are involved in providing care in hospitals and other institutions are bound by the law, whether they like it or not. They are not above it.
“The church never imposes, it proposes.”
I disagree. It’s insidious, like a virus. It imposes itself upon the minds of people the moment they are born and attempts to keep a hold over them their entire lives. How else can the Catholic church survive if it does not have followers to keep funding it?
It attempts to influence state business. This influence is waning but until recently, the Catholic church once had its fingers in all the state pies.
Catholics in Ireland are “suffering” from an imaginary persecution complex. All that’s happening is that they no longer hold the monopoly over this country. All that is happening is that religious belief being an intrinsic part of this culture is being pushed to the margins where it belongs. It no longer gets to push its agenda and it no longer has the power to tell people how to live their lives.
If a Catholic medical worker feels they can deny medical care to a person based on their own personal beliefs, then perhaps they should think about a change in profession.
After all, how would you feel if a Jehovah’s Witness doctor refused you a blood transfusion based on their own beliefs? I imagine you’d be outraged. The same applies to Catholic medical staff working with pregnant women. The law is the law. End of.
“to pray for the conversation of a re-paganised society.”
Oh dear, – thankfully your perspective is one that is on the wane, the quicker it becomes irrelevent the better.
@Paddy
Point.1 No such law exists and to suggest such a ridiculous scenario doesn’t do you any favours.
Point.2
Even if your ridiculous scenario was law do you think only religious believers would oppose it? You don’t need religion for morality! http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.100 morality predates religion.
Point.3
If the current rate of people in france who believe in Islam continues to grow it’s projected within 25 years it will be the majority religion of the country.Now if the laws of France hypothetically changed to sharia law.Would that make the new laws religiously moral? Legal? Democratic? In line with human rights?
It’s for such reasons religion should be separate from state.
Point.4
I’d rather be treated by an educted Doctor or Nurse who applied logic sense and reason than a pious superstitious Nun.Just look at the millions of donations Mother Theresa got for her Missionaries and yet the standard of care was disgracefully negligence and subhuman.She had the resources but elected due to her “Faith” not to use them but during her own illnesses flew to the best hospitals in the US for treatment.Plenty of doctors from doctors without borders who visited her hospitals were shocked and appalled.
Her indoctrinated beliefs allowed her to think people suffering terminal illnesses got a gift from God.Now do you think any medical doctor or nurse would subscribe to that mantra in their treatment?
“After all, how would you feel if a Jehovah’s Witness doctor refused you a blood transfusion based on their own beliefs? I imagine you’d be outraged. The same applies to Catholic medical staff working with pregnant women. The law is the law. End of.”
Excellent analogy Florence.
@ Miss Filed
Hospitals are in the business of life or death. The fundamental right, underpinning all other rights, is the right to life. Remove this, and all rights are undermined.
Whether you eat meat or not, is probably not going to kill you.
I’m not going to rerun the debate again, but I believe in preserving the life of the mother; but I do not accept the threat of suicide as valid grounds for killing the child. If society believes otherwise, then I, and my ilk, have to withdraw from that branch of medicine. That is society deciding it’s faith, and it has the freedom to do so; but I can’t be expected to hold the surgical knife.
Jaysus Paddy lad is back. Not seen him for months.
Thought he had been sacred away by all us liberal, secular fornicators who value women’s reproductive rights and marriage equality.
As is the case with all hypocritical Catholics in this country he only crawls from his lair to voice his outdated opinions on social topics which offend his medieval sense of morality.
As a general observation, many of you seem to believe this issue is about catholics imposing their values on society. This article is about the exact opposite; it is about society imposing its views on practicing catholics. It is saying to the sisters, you do abortion, or we will prosecute you. Or force you from your vocation of service!
Many of you are so engaged in your usual anti faith rhetoric, that you overlooked who is forcing whom to do what.
If society wishes to be cared for by those willing to accept death without just cause, rather than those who only accept death as the last stand; then society as ever will get what it deserves.
As for my English, it has always “being” my weakest subject.
If you work in a hospital, do your job. If you won’t, quit and make room for someone who will. I know a lot of soon to graduate nurses and midwives would be happy to fill in.
If you can’t or won’t perform or assist with a legal and required medical procedure in our country’s healthcare service, you have no business working in an Irish hospital.
Paddy, as a man who argues regularly from a religious perspective, knowing the churches stance on many topics, is the church arguing against abortion and against same sex marriage purely for their parishioners or are they trying to influence wider society with their views?
Society does impose it’s views on practising Catholics and likewise Catholics have for centuries imposed their views on society. Only recently are Catholics realising they can no longer influence society through law.
Society influences Catholics by creating laws for it’s citizens that all citizens regardless of their faith must abide by. Do you suggest that certain faiths should be exempt from laws they disagree with?
That’s just how society works Paddy, – we benefit from its structure and protection, but in turn we have laws imposed on us based on the overall norms of the group as a whole.
@ Ailbhe O’Nolan
We seem forever destined to disagree Ailbhe. I very rarely argue from the specific catholic point of view. In the marriage redefinition discussion, I will only discuss it from a societal perspective.
I take a catholic stand here as the discussion is about an archbishop advising religious sisters. I’m hoping a catholic outcome ensues for the sisters, even if that involves a significant sacrifice on their parts.
The views catholics hold in general are for their own good. They themselves may not act against these principles, and they inform society where they can, but agree that the law of the land is decided by society as a whole. On occasions, the church will act against national authority, such as when it hid Jews during WW2, because it was morally obliged to do so.
In the case of this unjust law toward the unborn life, a catholic should not implement it directly, but society has many hands willing to do it. The church is obliged to cry foul, after that the individual chooses their own path, through this life, and the life to come. As you know many in the “civilized” world today, choose the destructive path.
Catholics still influence society, but much of society chooses to ignore them, such is freedom.
@ Ailbhe O’Nolan
I believe we are all subject to the law, but as in my extreme example earlier, if the law directs me to kill someone unjustly, I’d better be willing to go to prison. The law of the land is not justification for murder in and of itself.
The question therefore is, is there religious freedom still in this country, or can the law of the land force us to act amorally and against our consciences. I hope not.
Paddy you have failed to answer any of my questions.
Instead you have discussed situations that do not exist. The law of the land does not force anybody to murder another person or go to prison. Nor does it force anybody to carry out abortion or go to prison. I’m discussing reality, not hypothetical situations designed to mislead.
The church is free to hold it’s own views and impose moral judgement on it’s own willing members, but not on those who do not share the same faith.
@ Ailbhe O’Nolan
The law of the land is dictating to the sisters who own and run this institution, that they must set their Catholicism aside and carry out abortions.
Their Archbishop is in consultation with the Sisters. I’m assuming his consultation is determining if what Mr O’Riley is imposing on them is in conflict with the catholic ethos on which the running of this institution is based. If it is, then the sisters must decide if they can remain catholic, and run this institution. To those of us who are pro life, O’Riley is removing catholics from practicing, managing, or general involvement in obstetrics or psychiatry. Remember, this law is founded on ideology, not the advice of professionals who hold that abortion is no cure for a mother who has suicidal thoughts.
Never have I argued that a fetus is not alive or not human.
What I have stated, and what I state again is that I do not believe an unthinking, unfeeling collection of cells, regardless of it’s DNA makeup, is as valuable as the conscious, breathing woman carrying it.
If you rest your case after two lines of misrepresentation it’s pretty obvious why you never win debates.
Oh and by the way, whether or not you “need” my opinion is hardly valid; so I’m a bit confused as to why you said that. Unless of course there’s a nagging doubt at the back of your head that maybe your beliefs aren’t as bulletproof as you seem to think they are.
Now you resort to name calling. Your lack of maturity in a debate is astounding. I asked you a direct question, do you support the discrimination you outlined that marriage imposes. You stated that marriage imposes discrimination. That is not an answer. Do YOU SUPPORT it would be adequately answered with ‘yes I do’, ‘ no I don’t’ or an outline of the aspects you do or do not support. Simple really.
Now, sorry Paddy, digressing. I personally think an individual should have the right to abstain from performing an abortion if they do not support it. If it is true that these people are forced to remove themselves from posts because of the legislation, that is not right. I think there should be an option for the employees involved to abstain and have another individual perform the procedure, or if time allows have the patient moved to another hospital. I understand the practical difficulties, but it would allow for individuals to retain their own moral judgement and carry out their jobs as usual.
Oh god it gets better! That’s hilarious. If you refuse to acknowledge some information and fixate on other information, then form an opinion, it does not make it an opinion based on facts. You really hold yourself in high esteem! Thanks for the laugh
ow you resort to name calling. Your lack of maturity in a debate is astounding. I asked you a direct question, do you support the discrimination you outlined that marriage imposes. You stated that marriage imposes discrimination. That is not an answer. Do YOU SUPPORT it would be adequately answered with ‘yes I do’, ‘ no I don’t’ or an outline of the aspects you do or do not support. Simple really.
Note I said I do not support discrimination
as a result I am against the state institution of marriage which is unfair and discriminatory
If only you could read
“Remember, this law is founded on ideology, not the advice of professionals who hold that abortion is no cure for a mother who has suicidal thoughts.”
No, you are totally wrong there. The law is founded on the democratic will of the Irish people via the Supreme Court decision on X, which was explicitly ratified by the Irish people by rejecting the 12th amendment and 25th amendments which both sought to tighten the laws around excluding suicide as grounds.
hdfsjkah, stating that marriage is discriminatory does not indicate your view. For example, if I stated a tomato is a fruit, do you like fruit, you stating it is a fruit does not give an indication of your personal view.
Now you have indicated your view, finally. Thank you for answering my question. So you do not support discrimination. Good to know
No one has ever claimed that an abortion is “treatment for suicide”, despite what the anti-choice mob would have us believe.
The issue is that forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy could very well be the CAUSE of suicide. This is what the Supreme Court determined.
Now if you think this judgment was wrong and should be ignored, please inform us which qualifications you posses which allows your opinion on legal matters to carry more weight than that of a Supreme Court judge.
unwanted pregnancy could very well be the CAUSE of suicide
then you are saying that it is a treatment for suicide
try not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph
I am medical not legal
the law is pretty bad at medicine
@ Ailbhe O’Nolan
Ailbhe I am unable to give a direct answer to your question on discrimination, because I do not accept the supposition on which your question is based, that there is discrimination.
As for your view on the right to not take part in an abortion, I appreciate your fairness.
P.S., did I call you a name? Sorry, usually not my style.
If you want to nit pick then here are your responses yesterday, none of which indicate whether or not you support discrimination:
‘I believe that marriage is in itself a discriminatory institution
a social institution that takes from the unlucky and gives to the privileged via taxation etc’ Not a direct response, you may support taking from the unlucky and giving to the lucky.
‘Marriage excludes all the mentioned above’ Again you may support such exclusion, my question was do you support exclusion, not ‘does it exclude’ which we had already established.
“unwanted pregnancy could very well be the CAUSE of suicide
then you are saying that it is a treatment for suicide
try not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph”
There is nothing contradictory about what I said. If a woman feels suicidal BEFORE she has an unwanted pregnancy, abortion will not help with those suicidal feelings.
However if a woman feels suicidal BECAUSE of an unwanted pregnancy, we must do all in our power to remove the causal factors.
Oh and by the way, no one here believes you work in healthcare. Impossible to prove I’ll admit, but let’s just say you have failed in your attempts to convince us.
This is the problem we have to face with our society: so many of our public services are controlled by the Catholic Church, but paid for with state money.
This hospital is one example. St. Vincent’s University Hospital, one of our major national public university hospitals, funded by we the people via the HSE, is run in line with the ethos of the Sisters of Charity – is that not utterly insane?
“The affairs of the hospital are managed by a Board of Directors, which is responsible to the Shareholders of the company which are the Sisters of Charity. The Board, as part of its responsibility develops the hospital and its services in accordance with the principles and ethics of the Congregation of the Religious Sisters of Charity.” http://www.stvincents.ie/About_Us/Governance_&_Management_Structure.htm
Many of our national public youth services, mental health services, and of course our public education system, are also run and controlled by the RCC in line with their ethos, but they are public services funded by the state. You couldn’t make it up.
I don’t understand why the church discussing anything other than religion is news. They shouldn’t have any influence on anything and their discussions shouldn’t be publicised. They are rotten to the core. It is similar to a football club engaging in these types of debates. Except football clubs don’t cover up pedophiles.
Paddy, as a man who argues regularly from a religious perspective, knowing the churches stance on many topics, is the church arguing against abortion and against same sex marriage purely for their parishioners or are they trying to influence wider society with their views?
Society does impose it’s views on practising Catholics and likewise Catholics have for centuries imposed their views on society. Only recently are Catholics realising they can no longer influence society through law.
Society influences Catholics by creating laws for it’s citizens that all citizens regardless of their faith must abide by. Do you suggest that certain faiths should be exempt from laws they disagree with?
On a lighter note – whats the country coming to – nuns discussing abortions. Are there more than that nun in Italy who had an “immaculate conception” and was banished from her convent.
unwanted pregnancy could very well be the CAUSE of suicide
then you are saying that it is a treatment for suicide
try not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph
I am medical not legal
the law is pretty bad a medicine
ow you resort to name calling. Your lack of maturity in a debate is astounding. I asked you a direct question, do you support the discrimination you outlined that marriage imposes. You stated that marriage imposes discrimination. That is not an answer. Do YOU SUPPORT it would be adequately answered with ‘yes I do’, ‘ no I don’t’ or an outline of the aspects you do or do not support. Simple really.
Note I said I do not support discrimination
as a result I am against the state institution of marriage which is unfair and discriminatory
If only you could read
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Store and/or access information on a device 102 partners can use this purpose
Cookies, device or similar online identifiers (e.g. login-based identifiers, randomly assigned identifiers, network based identifiers) together with other information (e.g. browser type and information, language, screen size, supported technologies etc.) can be stored or read on your device to recognise it each time it connects to an app or to a website, for one or several of the purposes presented here.
Personalised advertising and content, advertising and content measurement, audience research and services development 133 partners can use this purpose
Use limited data to select advertising 103 partners can use this purpose
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times an ad is presented to you).
Create profiles for personalised advertising 75 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service (such as forms you submit, content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (for example, information from your previous activity on this service and other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (that might include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present advertising that appears more relevant based on your possible interests by this and other entities.
Use profiles to select personalised advertising 74 partners can use this purpose
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on your advertising profiles, which can reflect your activity on this service or other websites or apps (like the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects.
Create profiles to personalise content 36 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service (for instance, forms you submit, non-advertising content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (such as your previous activity on this service or other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (which might for example include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present content that appears more relevant based on your possible interests, such as by adapting the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find content that matches your interests.
Use profiles to select personalised content 32 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on your content personalisation profiles, which can reflect your activity on this or other services (for instance, the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects. This can for example be used to adapt the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find (non-advertising) content that matches your interests.
Measure advertising performance 124 partners can use this purpose
Information regarding which advertising is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine how well an advert has worked for you or other users and whether the goals of the advertising were reached. For instance, whether you saw an ad, whether you clicked on it, whether it led you to buy a product or visit a website, etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of advertising campaigns.
Measure content performance 59 partners can use this purpose
Information regarding which content is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine whether the (non-advertising) content e.g. reached its intended audience and matched your interests. For instance, whether you read an article, watch a video, listen to a podcast or look at a product description, how long you spent on this service and the web pages you visit etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of (non-advertising) content that is shown to you.
Understand audiences through statistics or combinations of data from different sources 72 partners can use this purpose
Reports can be generated based on the combination of data sets (like user profiles, statistics, market research, analytics data) regarding your interactions and those of other users with advertising or (non-advertising) content to identify common characteristics (for instance, to determine which target audiences are more receptive to an ad campaign or to certain contents).
Develop and improve services 79 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Use limited data to select content 37 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
Use precise geolocation data 42 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Actively scan device characteristics for identification 24 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors 82 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Deliver and present advertising and content 92 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Match and combine data from other data sources 65 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Link different devices 48 partners can use this feature
Always Active
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically 81 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
Save and communicate privacy choices 60 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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