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The opposition has been attacking both Charlie Flanagan and Frances Fitzgerald for their comments. Leah Farrell/Rollingnews.ie

'What are they hiding from?': Pressure on government on what it knew about McCabe smear plans

The government has said that it is up to the Disclosures Tribunal to answer this question.

TÁNAISTE, AND FORMER Minister for Justice, Frances Fitzgerald is under pressure to reveal what she knew about attempts to smear Maurice McCabe by then-Garda Commissioner Nóirín O’Sullivan’s legal team at the O’Higgins Commission.

McCabe was vindicated by that commission last year on issues he’d raised about garda misconduct, but the government is now under fire to disclose what it knew about plans to discredit the whistleblower at that commission.

In a statement this evening, however, Minister Charlie Flanagan said that investigating this very matter is under the remit of the Disclosures Tribunal and that it “should be allowed to do its work”.

What it’s all about

Labour TD Alan Kelly had submitted a number of parliamentary questions to the Department of Justice related to the O’Higgins Commission, which examined garda corruption claims made in part by McCabe.

The O’Higgins Commission would vindicate McCabe in a number of areas in May 2016, but later revelations about false accusations of sexual abuse against the whistleblower led to the establishment of the Disclosures Tribunal earlier this year.

Documents uncovered by RTÉ’s Prime Time back in 2016 showed that Nóirín O’Sullivan’s senior legal counsel Colm Smyth SC told Mr Justice Kevin O’Higgins that he had “instructions from the commissioner” to “challenge the integrity… of Sergeant McCabe”.

On the day of the hearing when Commissioner O’Sullivan was to give evidence, Smyth clarified his remarks and said that his instructions were to “challenge the motivation and credibility of Sergeant McCabe”.

Kelly’s parliamentary questions related to how much the Department of Justice knew of this legal angle being taken at the O’Higgins Commission.

In response, Minister Charlie Flanagan said: “As the deputy will be aware, some aspects of the O’Higgins Commission of Investigation form part of the remit of the Disclosures Tribunal and therefore I am limited in what I can say.

In the circumstances, the department would have had no role in determining the approach to be taken by the Garda Commissioner to the commission in question. Accordingly, there was no question of the department seeking to interfere in any way with, or to have any say in determining, that approach by the Garda Commissioner.

Kelly called the answer “a disgrace” and said that it didn’t answer his question at all.

He said: “It’s a yes or no answer. Were the Department privy to the strategy adopted by the Commissioner or not? If not simply say so. Don’t try and hide behind the Charleton Tribunal.”

Sinn Féin’s justice spokesperson Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire also called for full clarity from the government.

He said: “If it is the case that the Department was aware, and either assented to or approved of such a course of action, then the campaign to undermine the credibility of Garda McCabe goes right to the heart of government.

This is a deeply concerning possibility. The need for the Government to provide clarity on this is obvious and urgent.

What the government is saying

The government is very much taking the line that investigating these contacts is the work of the Tribunal, and will not go beyond that in its statements now.

Speaking to Chris O’Donoghue’s On the Record on Newstalk, Fitzgerald was asked if she knew about the plan to attack McCabe during the O’Higgins Commission.

She said: “Certainly I have never had the slightest interest personally in attacking Maurice McCabe’s character, I met with him and his wife. Just to say, the reason I set up the Tribunal was so that all of these issues, and that particular issue you’ve raised with me, is one that is being examined by the Tribunal, and that commission is the place to examine that.

Look if I start answering questions like that at this point I’m effectively cutting across the work of the Commission, and that’s why that Commission was set up and we’ve an excellent judge, Charleton examining that. I’ve always been clear that whistleblowers need to be respected, listened to and their issues dealt with.

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar, meanwhile, has said looking at the legal angle is something he would put to Minister for Justice Flanagan.

For his part, Flanagan has said that his department had no role in determining the legal approach taken by the Garda Commissioner. He did not say, however, if the department was aware of the stance that would be adopted by O’Sullivan’s legal team.

He said: “Accordingly, there was no question of the Department seeking to interfere in any way with, or to have any say in determining, that approach by the Garda Commissioner. And it should go without saying that it would have been entirely inappropriate for anyone to have sought to interfere in any way with the work of the commission.”

He said that the terms of reference for the Disclosures Tribunal covered this very issue and that it was “unclear” to him why opposition TDs said otherwise.

In response, Alan Kelly said this evening he didn’t need any “childish lectures” from the Minister about the terms of reference of the tribunal.

He said the commissioner has a statutory responsibility to report into the Minister for Justice and that he was seeking to ascertain if “the Garda Commissioner gave the department any notice of the legal strategy she had authorised at O’Higgins”.

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    Mute Frank Dubogovik
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:16 PM

    ol Francis was up to her eyes in this….but she couldn’t “jettison” her pal Noreen o sullivan…the whole Mc cabe scandal still has a LOT of questions to be answered

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    Mute Fiona deFreyne
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:18 PM

    @Frank Dubogovik: so far, nearly all questions and very few real answers.

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    Mute Billy McNamara
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:39 PM

    @Frank Dubogovik: I hope I’m wrong,but being a suspicious kind of fella,I could see Sgt McCabe getting a huge pay off from the state to vanish(for the integrity/stability of the State).Thus saving Kenny,Franny Fitz,Noreen and the rest of them from justice.

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    Mute Fiona deFreyne
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:43 PM

    @Billy McNamara: I think that the problem is that he can’t be bribed into silence; likely this would be attempted if it was reasonably sure not to blow up in the face of the Government.

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    Mute Billy McNamara
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:48 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: As I said,after quite a few years on this earth I’m a dubious person,especially of Irish Politicans AND Bankers.But I hope that Sgt McCabe (after all he has been put through) will see this sorry saga to the bitter end.

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    Mute Christy Nolan
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    Nov 13th 2017, 11:33 PM

    @Billy McNamara:
    McCabe is innocent and has no reason to accept “a bribe”.
    He will go down in Irish history as the honest man who broke the circle of Irish political corruption.

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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:40 PM

    What are they hiding from ? The truth – in the same way they hide from facts – hospitals in crisis / homelessness at record high numbers etc. All we get from Fianna Gael is lies – spin – bluster and pay 5 mill per year to a team of muppets to post pictures of Leo in his socks eating chicken nuggets or emptying the dishwasher. What this government did to Mr McCabe tells you everything you need to know about the low life’s that currently operate in the Dail – dangerous, untrustworthy free loaders without a shred of decency between them.

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    Mute Christy Nolan
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    Nov 13th 2017, 11:44 PM

    @Setrakian:
    Political Corruption = “The habit of Denial and Cover-up”.
    Fitz and Regina Doherty give FG women a bad name, and I speak for my wife and daughter who are in disgust.

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    Mute PVD
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:17 PM

    When you don’t get a straight answer, draw your own conclusions. If they knew nothing Mr Kelly would have been told . Can we not have straight politicians without the spin , ducking and diving.

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    Mute Fiona deFreyne
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:17 PM

    Just do it, but don’t tell us about it.

    Who will rid us of this turbulent Garda Sergeant?

    A Garda of true integrity could be dangerous. Who knows what might emerge, points, breath tests, set up, perverting the course of justice, fitting up political opponents, targeting left wing TDs etc.

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    Mute Frank Cauldhame
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    Nov 13th 2017, 9:34 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: Left Wing TD’s still under Garda surveillance. We should at the very least aspire to an autonomous police force.

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    Mute Patabake Kennedy
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:28 PM

    Handy enough, setup an auld commission, then hide behind it. Not me guv, sure it was like that when I found it. Who, ME, must be some other fella, sure I only got this auld job because I did a bit of covering up for our former dear leader, Herr Enda.

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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:42 PM

    Why are we still looking into this?
    After all, everything is perfect in Leo Land. Everyone is employed and earning bundles, in fact enough to buy a €350k house with cash. Lets not spoil the party you big bunch of downers. Leo Land is a happy place.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Nov 13th 2017, 8:08 PM

    “Certainly I have never had the slightest interest personally in attacking Maurice McCabe’s character”

    Says Francis neatly side stepping the question if her THEN department had any involvement…….

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    Mute LITTLEONE
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:32 PM

    Well leo as head of the government……
    What are they hiding from?
    Surely everyone deserves an answer

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    Mute Patabake Kennedy
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    Nov 13th 2017, 8:20 PM

    @LITTLEONE: Here we go again, the last fella ran rings around us, and here is the new fella doing exactly the same thing and not even a furlong into the job yet. Me heart is broken with despair.

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    Mute Anthony Gallagher
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:38 PM

    LETS all be honest ,do we expect the truth to come out ,in all probability no we dont ,this government like previous governments continue to protect the system at all costs .they dont want to see how rotten it is ,a bit like the church and the child abuse ,truth is not for the masses but for a select few in order to protect the false integrity of the state .none of them have the bottle their just well paid yes men .

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    Mute Dick Durkin
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:25 PM

    Another rise in the opinion polls beckons so.

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    Mute brian mclaughlin
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    Nov 13th 2017, 9:53 PM

    @Dick Durkin: when and where were these polls taken?Iwas never asked nor do iknow of anyone who was asked My friends were never asked nor do they know of anyone who was asked Not a true reflection of Louth Donegal Dublin Kildare or Galway.

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    Mute Dave Doyle
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    Nov 13th 2017, 8:24 PM

    The report when published will be deemed not in the public interest, and buried.

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    Mute Patrick James Walsh
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:45 PM

    Mark my words, this scandal is going to bring down the govt, Noirin will implicate Frances, she has nothing to lose.DOJ in this up to their necks.

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    Mute Denis Mc Kenna
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    Nov 13th 2017, 9:41 PM

    We have been told repeatedly by feminists that women would bring a greater degree of integrity and honesty to Irish political life than their male colleagues.Well what do you think?

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    Mute Fiona deFreyne
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    Nov 13th 2017, 7:44 PM

    We can’t handle the truth.

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    Mute Billy McNamara
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    Nov 13th 2017, 8:06 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: We now need it,once and for all.And then to move to a better place.

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    Mute Gazza Lazza
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    Nov 13th 2017, 9:14 PM

    More deflection and “plausible deniability” from the criminals running this country, or ruining the country.

    I think the latter is more fitting….

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    Nov 13th 2017, 8:28 PM

    If I was accused of breaking the law I would instantly deny it, not wait for a tribunal.

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    Mute Patabake Kennedy
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    Nov 14th 2017, 12:53 AM

    Do these lot go out in the night time and dig up the roads so as people in their area will complain about potholes, and hay presto, they are fixed in no length of time, and the easily led will again vote for the good Samaritan that made their journey just that little bit smoother. Now the one about the three bears.

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    Nov 14th 2017, 8:42 AM

    “Their issues dealt with” … oh how condescending. Whistleblowers don’t have ‘issues’, the people they expose do! Flanagan is what I always knew he was … another Frances Fitzgerald. He’s got the ‘mustn’t interfere with an ongoing process’ waffle to a tee.

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    Nov 14th 2017, 11:33 AM

    @Anthony Halpin: Let me ask the question again, WHO votes for this lot.?

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    Mute Dominic Hearns
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    Nov 14th 2017, 8:10 AM

    Who cares about any of this crap anymore. Pay McCabe and move on. We’re sick of listening to this self righteous crap.
    Policing is a tough game. We’ve all got responsibilities regarding policing this country. We shouldn’t dwell too much on whingers who feel hard done by. These people need to get over themselves. Attention seekers. Political point scorers, etc.

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