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Updated 23:18
INMATES IN MOUNTJOY Prison poured boiling water and sugar down the throat of the man in jail for the killing of Melanie McCarthy McNamara.
Keith Hall, who is serving a 20-year sentence for his role in the killing of the 16-year-old in Tallaght last year, was rushed to hospital after the attack in his cell last week.
The addition of sugar to boiling water forms a paste, which sticks to skin and intensifies burns. It is a tactic commonly used in prisons, where it is described as “napalm” due to the way it attaches to skin and burns.
It was the second time in several weeks that Hall had been targeted by other inmates. He was stabbed repeatedly about 4 weeks ago. A source with knowledge of the situation said that a bounty of €10,000 has been offered by people outside of the prison for any inmate who kills Hall. “He’s afraid of his life,” the source said.
Hall was released from hospital in the past two days and has been moved to a solitary 23-hour lock-up in Mountjoy in a bid to protect him from other inmates.
The 24-year-old was sentenced to 20 years in prison in July in connection with the killing of Melanie McCarthy McNamara, who was shot in the head as she sat in the back of a car in Tallaght in February 2012.
Gardaí said that the teen was not believed to be the intended victim of the shooting.
First published 11:14
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Two wrongs?
What on earth is wrong with the commenters here? This guy is a drug addict and gang member, who killed another drug gang member. All involved known to gardai. She was due to marry the intended victim (another drug gang member) in a few days, and was sitting in his car with him. While she wasn’t the intended victim that day, she was not exactly walking past with no links to this criminal whatsoever.
And now someone else in a drug gang has paid to kill this man in prison.
Neither the girl, nor this guy should be dead. It is not improving matters to keep killing, one after another. What happens next, this guys family take out a hit on whoever murders him, perhaps in his daughters name? And yet another bystander gets hurt.
I fail to see how perpetuating this kind of barbarism helps our crime problem in this country.
I agree
i know its not the exact quote but evil men prosper while good men sit idly by
According to the article there’s a 10 grand hit out on him. I wonder where that money came from?
Totally agree with the cynic. Spot on
well maybe its just karma….. he was a shite now hes paying for it…. painfully…… you may not see it as justice but alot of people will. Myself included.
You say you fail to see how ‘ Perpetuating this kind of barbarism ‘ will help out our crime problem. Currently prison is not a deterrent to crime and in fact, there’s huge investment being made to make life inside even cushier. If a person felt maybe that there would be nasty consequences to be endured should you kill someone they might be less likely to go out and do it.
Well why are there consequences? As Niall Sullivan asked above; where is the money coming from? There’d be no such bounty if he killed someone with no criminal links so there’d be a lesser punishment. Is that just?
And that’s before we look at the morality of torture, which is something a lot of people here seem to be ok with
Prison alone does not stop killers nor kiddie fiddlers, they should all reap the reward of prison justice…
Regardless, the life he lead, this is kharma… whether or not for killing this girl is immaterial. Its not right I know that, but he probably inflicted misery on innocent people the way he lived his life…. As for the bigger criminals? Well the bigger guys are the ones keeping the little ones in jail….
Well you don’t hear about the ones it does deter
Jesus why do people keep throwing out the Karma argument, what a completely senseless argument. Even if you do want to look at this from a ‘Karma’ perspective then lets expand that line of thought. The guy was tortured in prison, karma was at work, he murdered this girl…hence Karma has dished out punishment to him. The girl was shot dead, if we believe in Karma then this dictates that Karma was punishing her for something she has done…but oh no, that doesn’t fit into my simplistic way of looking at the world!
So in conclusion, STOP shiteing on about bloody Karma!!
@ Niall the intended target of the shooting was a gang member, the girl who was killed was his girlfriend. Gang money was most likely where the 10 grand was coming from.
@ Paul By that logic countries with the death penalty should have lower crime rates, right? Well thats not the case….the USA for example.
Interesting.
Agreed. Typical kneejerk response from the usual members of the Journal lynchmob.
This is going to happen for the rest of this Guys life…..Every Anaversery this will happen….. Scanner’s
And it’s a massive misunderstanding of what karma means too..
Karma is the law of cause and effect, that your actions create the reality you live in eg, if you are a violent thug, then chances are you will end up surrounded by other violent thugs.
If you do something wrong then you do deserve to be punished, but with the view toward learning the lesson from the situation so that you can become a better person – not revenge which is about wanting to inflict the pain felt upon another (and is an ugly side of human nature). Which is, as the Buddhist saying goes – “holding onto hatred is like swallowing poison and expecting the other person to die”.
Its kharma that this gets you mad… Did you do something bad? Own up…. C’mon! :)
Legal aid?
All the research points to the contrary. Harsh prison regimes like hard labour, harsh sentences or three strikes dont deter offenders.
Hear hear but as this is true it will fall on deaf ears
‘kharma’ indeed
Painful adolescent comment to read Aaron!
Karma , which you clearly don’t understand , keeps the world in balance , it doesn’t punish wrong no more Than it gives fish bicycles we are all accountable for our own actions
Well said
This girl was not an innocent child as they are making out… An innocent child is playing on the street with her friends. Not in a car with her husband to be selling drugs around the estate. Although she wasn’t the intended target , being in a relationship with someone like that and helping them do their dealings is asking for trouble. Nobody in innocent in this. Keith hall did wrong but he has been given time to serve and he is doing that, should he subjected to be tortured every day? No. The people that are torturing him are probably the same people you have called dirt bags and child killers in recent months/years. Anyone related in gang land crime are not innocent. This was tragic that she was so young but she was also very very silly. What a great family she has offering money to torture someone, isn’t these the same
People who have very high morals by tv3 standards? Pfffft.
Well if karma was to strike than we probably wake up one morning finding nothing more than rubble and ash left, where once places such as parts of Tallaght , some parts of Dublin northside and mountjoy prison once stood…
The way of the jungle.
Revenge is sweet as they say
The pain of that must be excruciating.
So must be the pain of losing a loved one
I reckon it was nothing compared to the pain that poor girl felt just before She drew her final breath.
**** him.
@ping pong. I thought it was supposed to be best served cold?
Isn’t karma sweet! Especially considering he’ll probably be released after 5 years because of our ridiculous system….he deserves every day of torment and torture he suffers
Live by the boiling sugery water, die by the boiling sugery water.
It wouldn’t be news if they added a tea bag.
@justin
You mean the Barry’s tea sugar boil down? I’ve heard of that. Myth has it, it was used around Cork in the old days for answering ‘what is the capital of Ireland?…. Correctly.
You know it Captain.
“Him off”
Good enough for him; hopefully they don’t kill him too soon. A long & lingering sentence & hopefully serves every day of it. Bastard.
I love you captain
“An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind”
Ghandi
No, there will be one person left with an eye
If we could isolate all the criminals and murderers I’d have no problem with the lot of them going blind but unfortunately there’s too much collateral damage because of gun and drug crime in Ireland.
What’s with the thumbs down? How can the last person be blinded if no-one else can see him?
And in the spirit of metaphors: in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
… and, home is where you live
that is the land of the Bulgars
I bet you were waiting for someone to say that :)
But all his subjects wouldn’t know who he is
Mr cyclops..
Agreed Michelle ! The barbaric and horrific cruelty involved here makes me sick …. !
In the land of the blind, its the one eyed man who’s king
Tom Waits
……and, no matter where you go, there you are !
Regardless of this mans actions I think this type of abuse on anyone is morally wrong!
Some of you are absolute animals thinking that this is justice!
Yeah should the guys,sorry animals who carried this out be subject to some torture for the crimes they were convicted for or even for retaliation for this one.
You wouldn’t say that it was wrong if it was your daughter! Eye for an Eye!
“An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind” Ghandi
Yes, the poor little murderous maniac.
He needs cuddles, not boiling water.
No ..the last guy would have one eye left..
kinda sucking the analogy out of the quote there, Ian. Well done!!
hey im all for quotes… but even gandolf got this one wrong…. but i suppose every cloud has a rock and a hard place…
Gandolf?
Did you mean Gandalf? But really mean Ghandi?
I don’t know where to start with that!
I’m sorry CPM, but nobody needs to have a boiling water/sugar combo poured down their throat, no matter what they’ve done. We do not live in the Middle Ages. Yes he’s a murder, but there are many murders in the country…you don’t find the families of all these victims offering rewards for the murder of another person.
I agree. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Does this mean he is entitled to compensation from the state, for failing to protect him while in custody of the state?
Probably
If he lives long enough.
God, I hope not. He’s already costing a fortune.
U are all morons, hes doin his time, if u agree with this sort of behaviour why dont yas all lobby to bring back corporal punishment. He got his punishment from a court of law, he should b left to serve his time in peace
So people who are capable of pouring “napalm“ down someones throat are able to rejoin society? Wtf are you playing at?
Prison officers???? Not nearly enough of them! Remember we don’t like paying for public services in this country, that’s why we voted in fine gael
We might not “like paying for public services” but oh wow we’re paying alright.
Where are the prison officers in all this, how can this go on. This man is serving his time, it doesn’t need to get worse
prison officers cant baby sit every prisoner. there are 2 prison officers per 60 inmates on a landing with 40 odd cells,toilets and shower rooms.this attack would probabarly have taken less than 30 seconds and easily happened when the officers were attending to the day to day running of the landing. so to answer your question its fair to say that the officers were on the landing doing their job
That poor guy has feeling too!
Shaun; are you accusing the prison officers of something? They have an incredibly difficult job dealing with mostly those who refuse to live by societies norms by & large. They have staffing issues & a recruitment moratorium which doesn’t help. Staff would have administered first aid regardless of how they feel about any inmate & would have had to escort him to the hospital, they do not pick & choose who enters their custody. They do an incredibly hard job which I wouldn’t do & do it well. I say the little bastard got what he deserved & hope he gets a lot more.
Well said
Hard to feel sorry for him…. Actually it’s impossible to feel sorry for him.
How does it show that ‘Travellers’ are doing anything?
Justice isn’t revenge
I can’t condone it but neither can I feel sympathy with him. He’s there because of his actions, no one forced him to go out and kill someone and the fact that young lady wasn’t the intended target doesn’t really come into it. He had about as much respect for human life and the people who attacked him. Horrific thing to have to endure though.
the word on the street is that he used her as a human shield, grabbed her and held her in front of himself as they were driving by… you still have sympathy for him?
A story about Muslims in Ireland on the Journal inevitably leads to collective shrieks about the abhorrence of sharia law. Yet, this article leads to collective gleeful shrieks of “an eye for an eye”. Ironic much!
There must be a full investigation of this assault. It cannot go unpunished. The courts are the only authority to dish out punishment. The EU (that most Irish people seem to love) have outlawed any sort of torture, execution etc. so, in my opinion, if most of you commenting here believe this was ‘just’ you are as evil as the person who shot the poor girl. I consider these comments as incitement to hatred and should be deleted by the moderator
Obviously John Higgins Meade you have no children to defend such a monster” and if it was anyone belonging to me’ i swear he wouldn’t have made it to prison” but i would have..
Steven
With comments like yours is it any wonder that animals roam our streets and prisons. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.
Revenge isn’t defence. That’s they they’re different words
He’s not defending what the guy did, he is condemning the torture that was meted out on him. I guess you’re ok with vigilante torture, personally I am not and people who condone it disgust me.
Wish people would stop referring to these people as “animals”. Animals wouldn’t do to there own what these people are doing animals have more compassion
Well said Stephen, cldn’t agree more.
So now loads more evil people know how to torture the innocent if they dident already.
Good point Dee.
You only have to turn on the tv, programmes like CSI are full of information. The use of Sugar water has been around for years.
CAnt say I feel sorry for him, live by the sword!!
It obviously wasn’t your innocent sister, daughter he killed, he deserves what he gets
The 12th century called. They want their justice system back
“he deserves what he gets”
He got 20 years in Jail. Anyone here condoning violence is no better than the murderer himself or the “heros” in the prison carrying out these actions. It’s highly likely that the prisoners who attacked him have long sentences for crimes involving violence and could also already be murderers or are at least capable of it.
I’m sure the parents and family/friends of the girl who was killed, feel now they have justice and this incident has brought closure to them and they can get on with their lives etc.
I doubt it. There is no closure just perpetual violence and retaliation.
The brutality involved in the attack itself is being reported more graphically elsewhere. In the stabbing attack a few weeks back he received 50 stitches after a gang of 5 men attacked him. It’s also reported elsewhere the bounty on his head is 20 grand, not 10.
In a strange turn of events I agree with you Peace for All :)
It’s mad.. Had this guy hit his intended target, the commenters baying for his blood would possibly be giving him kudos for having shot a gangland criminal (as these hits are usually based on revenge)..
Because he shot an innocent – this means that it is suddenly ok for everyone to act as though they condone the same sort of violence that they take issue with gang members committing?
If the guy pleaded guilty, and admitted it, I would hope that it is weighing heavily on his conscience, this in turn would hopefully spur him on to channeling that guilt into something positive – some way to give back and make amends – isn’t this what prison is supposed to be about? It may be failing miserably at present – but surely there is something we can do about that?
This primal urge to seek revenge while calling it justice is a perversion. Justice is about putting wrongs right, revenge is just about getting your pound of flesh, it never works, and all it does is cause escalation and more hurt.
Irrespective of the mans guilt this absolutely cannot be tolerated otherwise we become no better than him. I would question why prisoners have access of boiling water in the first place, they could use it to burn prison officers etc.
Also note the recent case of the murder of Rachel Manning in Milton Keynes. The man initially and wrongfully convicted of her murder was subjected to attacks by other prisoners until the BBC documentary challenging his conviction was broadcast.
Totally agree. I just posted a similar comment. Plus why are inmates not supervised when in groups. Nothing more than a long term boarding school as far as I can see.
Totally different case,this sub human admitted his guilt,and there was very strong evidence against him,also he has over 100 conviction’s. “a pillar of society”What do yo want ?give him the iron cross for his service to the state,he choose this path of crime and murder,he must deal with the consequences.
11 convictions I saw reported elsewhere.
I never said he was a pillar of society. He is in prison for a reason and paying for his crime with time. This repayment in torture does nothing except stain the memory of that poor girl. She deserves to rest in peace.
hmmmm lets me see….the landing he is on has on average 80 odd prisoners everyday…. and a total of 2 prison officers….. do you still wonder why they are not supervised………would you try to intervene and risk the chance of getting scared for life by boiling water and sugar……
Gonna be a long 20 years for him, or 5 if sentencing in this country is anything to go by!!
Going by the €10K offer from outside, I think he’ll wanna stay in prison for the long run!!
Thats a job for Gaviscon Extra!!!
There’s no justification for this. He may be (no, scratch that, he IS) a murdering thug, but he’s still entitled to serve his time in safety. This attack must be investigated and prosecuted like any other crime – it looks like attempted murder to me. And before anyone asks – I have a daughter not much younger than Melanie. I would do time myself if anyone harmed her – but that’s my human reaction as a Dad. It doesn’t make this attack right. I’ve heard of that “Napalm” trick before – I did a story on it many years ago. It’s barbaric. Effectively, if the mixture is thick enough, it’s like boiling toffee, and literally tears away a layer of flesh in its wake.
If you ever made toffee apples before by mixing boiling water and sugar in a pot, and were unfortunate enough to get even a tiny splash of it on you hand in the process, it burns like nothing else. It may as well be acid at that moment in time to the victim.
Toffee apples PJ. Toffee apples. If you’ve ever mixed boiling water with sugar in a pot to make same, you’d know only too well how long it takes to cool down afterwards and also how much damage it do even if you were splashed by a freckle sized blot in the process. To have it poured down your throat, on such soft sensitive skin, must be horrendous.
Sorry for double post. Second one appeared at the same time as first one.
Ah yeah, Niall I know. I recall an incident I reported on many years ago where a person was injured when a pot of if spilt in a kitchen..
Did you do any stories on Africans or Russians lately PJ :}
So because other prisoners (rapists, murderers, violent criminals etc) “attacked” this other murderer they should be let out????? Yea that’s so gonna work!! Silly comment on your behalf….. I do not condone murder but nor do I condone violence on any human being… If we all had the attitude of hurting those who’ve hurt others we would be forever doling out ” revenge attacks” What does it solve???? Nothing—- Won’t bring the victim back & makes you as guilty as the perpetrator!!!
Does the Journal need to be providing this level of “how-to” detail for torturers?
Ah yes because the journal readership is predominantly made up of ticking time bombs just waiting for the right information on how to torture their next victim.
@Fergal
The Journal’s next article will be 13 ways to kill your next victim……
And then 12 ways to dispose of the body.
It’ll run a series on the dangers of sugar and hot water.
Next week, bomb making for dummies.
Poor Aonghus will be horrified Fergal. Best not tell him about the anarchists handbook, or how to turn your excrement into chemical weapons volume 2 available at all good bookshops near you.
Now that we’re on the subject, anyone know how to get rid of the dead burglar in my shed? I almost forgot until now.
Surely the prison services knew he’d be a target? He can now take a case against the state for the prison’s negligence in failing to protect him. Wonder how much that’ll cost..
I’m not having a go at the prison services or their staff.. I’m sure they’ve been hit by cutbacks like everywhere else. Yet again it’s a prime example of the government cutting back in areas that should be invested in: policing, nursing etc
Natalie. He was on protection. It was another prisoner on protection with him that did it. Monthly is not a designated Protection Prison so protection spaces are limited. And as such most protection prisoners are doubled up with others that are felt to be no threat to them. The money put up to get him changed the dynamics of his situation.
Nice to see the people if ireland believe in rehabilitation and not the torture of prisoners.
So who’s offering this €10,000 bounty then? Anybody questioning that?
I think we can assume that anybody offering cash for violence to be carried out in a prison and with the capacity to engage prisoners to do that is probably not the best themselves.
I believe it is the relatives of the Dead Girl.
Boiling water and sugar, Napalm, never heard of this one
Hot and sticky..wont just slide off or down the throat
It also is hotter as the sugar has a higher boiling point. Could easily have been 140 C
Animals. Hope they charge those involved.
Serves him right anyway i think even if the shooting was a mistake.people should suffer for crimes like this not jus get put in a cell,given loads of priveleges they shouldn’t and living and befriending with hundreds of others just like them and worse.would be great if the prisons here were like the prisons in south america there would literally be zero crime because people would be too shitless of being sent there..
No crime in South America? Jesus, someone must ring them and tell them to stop sending all of those innocent murderers and gang bangers to prison.
Because there’s definitely zero crime in south america…
@Diego….so the prisons of South America are empty, are they?
Ye pack of dopes.i meant leave the prisons be run like they are in south america where gaurds control the perimeter and the inmates control the prison and are let free to do what they want n walk around free with weapons etc in awful conditions killing each other day in day out.not many people in this country would have the balls to commit crimes if they knew they were being sent to a place like that.
And ok ya i might have been exaggerating a bit with zero crime but there most certainly would be a lot less.especially in a country like this.poverty in them countrys is rife hence the high crime rates.things arn’t so bad here even without a job you get nearly 200 quid a week for god’s sake ha
Well, apparently they ARE sent to a place like that
But if we implemented your idea, what would be the deterrent for gang leaders? They’d be fine in a prison like that
You wouldn’t say that Diego if you ended up in prison, especially if you were a victim of a miscarriage of justice.
Prison is to remove people like that from society not encourage a culture of violence and murder and savagery that can be continued back out on the streets when the criminals finish their sentences.
Your right i suppose i have to agree with ya there..
Just stop talking diego or typing, whichever.
hahaha diego been watching a bit too much prison break season 3 have we? you do realise that’s what they refer to as ‘fiction’, yes?
Doesn’t Columbia have the highest unsolved murder cases in the world?
Haven’t there been incidents where the prison guards just opened fire on a herd of prisoners because the prison was so overcrowded somewhere in South America?
All guessing and shite talk
Regardless of what he did, only savages would condone such vicious behaviour. Are you all under the illusion that the prisoners who carried out this attack did so because they cared about the victim?
To think how people in Norway were so dignified after the callous attacks two years ago. There didn’t seem to be this lynch mob retaliation from the public. It was nice to see and very commendable. (Not meaning to equate these two incidents with each other) But, two wrongs don’t make a right.
Some sick in the head commenter’s on here to think human torture is acceptable. The girl in question involved her life in gang culture and she paid the ultimate price. This man has been given his punishment in accordance with the law by the Irish state. To torture this man is completely wrong. What are the people who tortured him in prison for anyways MAYBE RAPE MURDER OR CHILD ABUSE. By some peoples logic they should also be tortured. By my logic they should not be tortured. I do believe that the death penalty should be introduced again in ireland however for cases of severe rape torture of an individual child abuse and murder but the facts abut the case would need to be fully comp and a full understanding of exactly what happened followed by a secret jury vote on whether the death penalty should be used for each individual case. Some people deserve nothing more then to rot in hell.
Barbaric
Those crazy cats up in the joy!!! what mad scrapes will they get themselves into next!!!!
I am curious as to how the inmates had easy access to food supplies outside of mess halls including the ability to boil water. Plus why are social interactions not supervised. These guys are in there for a reason.
This is a very serious point. Boiling water with or without sugar could be used on prison officers or anyone else or even in a suicide attempt. Where were the prison officers?
I think they have kettles in the cells, for making tea. Well, not anymore I’d imagine.
patrick ive never heard of anybody boiling themselves to death in a kettle
Rebecca theres no such thing as mess hall in Irish Prisons that’s only on t.v . Prisoners collect their food from a service area and dine in their cells. They are allowed kettles in their cells so as they can make a cup of hot chocolate before they go to sleep after their finished playing with their playstations or watching sky
sugar and boiling water? how did they ever figure that out? To be fair its kind of smart thinking – scary!
It was in Oz anyway, but it’s an older trick than that. Sugar was being added to petrol bombs in the north in the 60s
Sugar as been used for decades as an additive for a lot of home made weapons ( so to speak) molotov cocktails spring to mind, makes the cocktail more adhesive to the person or building/car its being thrown at…. Sugar itself is also extremely flammable, so double whammy.
Revenge is as old as the hills. You can argue about its morality until your blue in the face you really don’t know how you would react until faced with awful circumstances such as this.
This is true Mick. We’re it my daughter he killed I’d make sure with every ounce of my being he paid in more ways than 1.
Do I suspect that the letter “T” is involved?
T for Tarmacadam?
Mr. T?
No Brian there was no T involved, just water and sugar.
Torture? Yep.
It’s a fact that most people on death row in America are poor-black-men.
That doesn’t mean that poor black men commit the most murders, it just means that white people can afford better lawyers.
The death penalty is not the answer.
Our prisons should NOT be ‘nice places’ , they should be just *barely* humane.
And a ‘Life Sentence’ should mean just that…
What does barely humane mean??? Barely feed them, barely rehabilitate them?? Who are we to be inhumane to prisoners? Prisoners are people too, there only punishment is their liberty has been taken away from them for a specified length of time, it’s our duty as a country to rehabilitate every prisoner so that they can live law abiding lives upon release and give back to the country.
This is why we need the death penalty in Ireland
Would anyone who decides to red thumb like to give me a good reason as to not have a death penalty in Ireland
I’ll give you three. It’s barbaric. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s too easy for the perpetrators to get to forget their crime and simply pass away.
There crimes are barbaric …I’m Still not convinced its a bad idea to have a death penalty in Ireland It would save the tax payer money and be a deterant against murder
because of the possibility of executing the wrong person.
Check out the documentary “West of Memphis”
I could be that wrong person ,although rare it’s a chance I would be willing to take …. Still not convinced
it’s not a deterrent against murder!
People still getting killed in America where it’s been in place for decades!
so if you were on death row for a crime you did not commit you’d STILL defend the death penalty?
@ Gavin
I’m talking about Ireland here which is tiny in comparison too the USA population wise also who said there would be a death row
well if you had a bunch of convicts who were sentenced to death, while they wait on appeals and such. The place where they are kept until their appeals process has run out would colloquially be called “death row”!
Talking about a smaller sample size still does not support the idea that a death penalty would be a deterrent!
I’d like the death penalty for crimes such as the rape and murder of that child April Jones. BUT the guilt would have to be proved. An avalanche of evidence and a conviction by a jury wouldn’t be enough, in that case a life sentence should be handed down. The death penalty should only be used when DNA or CCTV or whatever proves the person is guilty. There are crimes that are just so sickening that the person in my view doesn’t deserve to live.
Who decides what crimes are sickening enough though?
Copstix. On many things we have our disagreements but on this I agree 100% with you. We should have the Death Penalty for Capital Murder, Child Murder/Rape, Murder for Hire and Gang related Murder.
So you think raping an adult deserves the death penalty but murdering an adult doesn’t??
I red thumbed you Chopstix. Firstly, the Irish People have already overwhelmingly voted to remove the death penalty and this is protected by the constitution, so the people have already spoken. Secondly, even if it wasn’t formed out of a weak society and moral cowardice, you could never trust the legal system to be 100% infallible in its use.
So you’d give the people who run this country the power to sentence somebody to death … and you would have no worries at all about that? Really?
@ Gavin
Who said there would be an appeals process
Nobody has the right to intentionally take anyones life unless in proportional self defence.
As for Death Penalty for rape etc as called for above, I’m sure everyone who agrees with the Death Penalty would’ve been happy to see Michael Le Vell hung from the scaffold for the crime he didn’t commit.
Based on the word of someone else….
Actually, death penalty costs more in the long run.
There’s always an appeals process.
Maybe you should read up about this before you say you’re in favour of it!!
Gavin
We haven’t even got a death penalty so how can there be an appeals process
im not going to even get into the million reasons why you’re wrong – everyone else seems to have corrected your misguided logic already, and I have a feeling that with an IQ smaller than your shoe size, it isn’t really going to sink in anyway
Is that the best you can do come on I give you another shot
Chopstix – at the end of the day, you continuing to say “I’m still not convinced” simply doesn’t matter.
In saying that – I’ll offer something as one of many reasons to not have a death penalty.
More innocent people die. It’s as simple as that. And no, I’m not talking about the perpetrator of a crime – I’m talking about innocent bystanders.
I red thumbed you..
When a gang member goes and kills a member of a rival gang, they know that the rival gang will put a hit out on them in retaliation, it doesn’t deter them.
So how exactly would the state handing out death penalties deter them? If anything, the state route is less of a deterrent – as you would have to be granted the right of appeal to ensure that innocent people were not murdered by the state.
Prison should be about the perpetrator rehabilitating. It should be about getting them to see the error of their ways and becoming a better person – this is justice, righting a wrong. Killing someone doesn’t fix anything. It doesn’t benefit anyone. It just reinforces the notion that killing someone is a valid punishment for your transgressions. And would continue to allow gang members to feel justified in their actions.
We need to get people to realise that justice is not about revenge. People always think revenge will ease their pain, but it never does. It’s just the anger stage of grief, and once they pass that stage they realise how foolish they were to seek it.
Chopstix
I’m saying there WOULD be an appeals process if the state introduced the death penalty. Much like there is an appeals process against any verdict given already!
This isn’t hard to follow chief!!
The Birmingham Six.
chopstix, i love the way that you argue for the death penalty as it would save the tax payer a few quid. first, i’d just like to point out how souless this arguement is. just do it for the sake of saving a few quid! second, its not necessarily true that it would save money either. if you look at the US, its is far more expensive to keep a convict on death row then it is to have them serve a life sentence. in california it costs $90,000 more a year for each death row convict.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
I can only assume that everyone who posted comments about ‘karma;, ‘he deserves what he gets’, ‘live by the sword’ etc, think that they girl was asking to get shot because she was involved with a drugs gang, and the men who carried out this torture deserve now to be tortured in return, yes? otherwise you’d be a bunch of ragin hypocrites, and i’m sure that would never be the case….
His pain will go away the pain of loosing a loved will never go away!!!
So what is the point of the attack if the pain of a loved one will never go away?
Exactly – it’s natural to feel anger when you experience grief. But seeking revenge never takes the pain away so why seek it? Once you pass through that stage you realise this, and if you went ahead and got your revenge then you have added guilt to all the pain and hurt you feel – so really it just makes you feel worse in the long run.
It’s hard not to become a slave to your emotions when the pain of grief is raw – but it’s extremely unhealthy to allow them control you.
“It’s hard not to become a slave to your emotions when the pain of grief is raw – but it’s extremely unhealthy to allow them control you.”
That’s a pro-life argument right there Shanti, now I’m starting to agree with you ;-)
Not sure what you mean but sure hey – it’s good to find common ground :)
Regardless of what he has done or whatever revenge fantasies we might have as a society, the state owed this chap a duty of care. Between the stabbing and the napalm, this fella will now get the salary of 5 or 6 prison officers. And that big wheel of austerity just keeps spinning around and around.
Anything on the journal which involves a bad guy suffering horrendous agony brings the cretins out of the woodwork. His punishment is the loss of freedom. His torture is another crime. Those on here that glory in it support criminality and are therefore complicit in it
What a waste.
A waste of what?
Sugar.
This our taxes paying for that sugar begod, twud b better if they beat him to death with the kettle.
Sugar, Electricity, Water, a Kettle, Medical Treatment, Doctors pay, Nurses Pay, Hospital beds. Does that cover it?
SHOCKING , what if he is innocent ?
He plead guilty to the killing.
He deserved it but was it TV licence avoiders that did it? No they are “decent criminals with morals” that give you the empty wallet back. My arse.
How can people condone things like this? Society genetics drug abuse etc can make people do terrible things. Free will isnt so free. Sorry folks no one deserves sh1t like that. If someone is a danger to society they need to be looked up but civilised people who are not savages should scorn this vile behaviour.
Locked up even
Jesus Cyril I’d love to take you out around the city for a spin on nights and meet some of their victims and see if you still want to nurture and care for these maniacs, I guess it’s easy to feel good about yourself and defend these thugs when you don’t have to get your hands dirty. Next time one of them headbutts me because I’m trying to stop the likes of your home being burgled il remember your thoughts on these poor tikes.
It is disturbing Qwerty that so many would take glee from it. But if you noticed above it seems, broadly speaking, to be the more literate posters that don’t take glee from it.
Barbaric .
if it was me running the prison. The inmates would get no tea or coffee for a month. Look at that story in perspective we are paying for all that.
What kind of savages have we become. It would be a fair guess if the poor girls killer read the journal he would be giving 90% of the comments thumbs up
Live the way of the Devil, Die by the way of the Devil.
Richie Rogers” why would you defend the murderer of a young girl? That was a mother and fathers daughter” anybody who defends that bastard should be ashamed of themselves and I stand by my comments… Hopefully he gets it worse next time..
Omg the girl was 16 and in love with a bad boy.. She was nothing to do with the gang.. The only thing she was guilty of was falling in love with the wrong person..
I don’t suppose it has escaped your attention that he is still a person, and likely has family too?
What does hurting him achieve exactly? Does it bring her back? Does it heal the pain of her loved ones?
All it does is hurt a whole bunch of new people too.. That’s not going to end well the more it goes on is it?
Aw bless poor child killer gets bullied
The Department of Justice is responsible for his health and safety while he is in prison ,he can now sue for the injuries he sustained .If there ‘s no law and order in a prison ,it show there ‘s even less on the street.
Tut tut, and sugar is the cause of so much obesity these days; will people ever learn? for the love of all things skinny, will they EVER learn??
I wonder how many times Apocalypse Now has been quoted in Mountjoy the past few days…
Why only a 20 year sentence?
He Wasn’t convicted of Murder Eamonn. Jury came back with manslaughter . Carny sentenced him to 20 years not life. Jury probably decided that on basis of fact that he intended to kill a different person, if so they decided incorrectly as definition of murder allows for the mistaken killing of another provided there was an intention to kill or cause serious harm.
Bad jury finding.
Should have been murder
Murder mandatory life
Manslaughter anything up to life..
Actually might be mistaken .
Also possible that no Jury and DPP offered manslaughter enabling him to plead to lesser charge. Not uncommon.
Either way not convicted of Murder
Hence 20 year sentence
Bring back caning
I’d love that job
Ohh you are awful..
He only has to go through another 19 years of this if the 10k offer isn’t taken up. He’ll spend the rest of his days there in solitary if he’s lucky.
Just a note, they didn’t pour it down his throat, they poured the mixture all over his back, head and chest. If they had poured it down his throat, most likely out come would be a serious rupture of his stomach! Anyway, moral of the story, don’t be a murdering scrote and sh1t like this won’t happen you.
His suffering may be a great deterrent for others thinking the gang life is a cool way to live.
Lives may have already been saved but, saved lives don’t make the news, only taken ones.
You don’t think the thugs who did this are in gangs? Or is it that you think the violent lifestyle is now a deterrent? Seriously?
Feel sorry for him. Not a chance.
I am at a bit of a loss to understand what happened, he was attacked in his cell while in solitary confinement.
I am not interested about his conviction, but does this not raise some questions about the keys to his cell in confinement
I wonder how much his compensation package will cost us!
God is the giver of life and only God can take it away.
If the red thumbs people are non believers in God they should be banned from this site because they should know that as God is the giver of life no one else has the right to end it.
Stories from over the fence, who gives a toss.
You guys in Ireland get madder by the day
Now that is justice, realistically he would only do a few handy years in prison eating well, plenty of sleep education and then back out to torment society and kill again. That poor girl went through an awful death at the hands of this evil thug. It is a befitting turn of events that he has now gone through.
If a man has violence in his heart cloaked it with morality he is no better than the man who uses violence regardless. – Hannibal , the A-team
And these are the intellectual giants whose library facilities aren’t up to scratch. Give me strength!! :-)
Did he ask for sugar??
Learn something new every day? Don’t think I’ll be looking to put it into practice anytime soon though – hopefully not anyway!
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