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The current Luas stop at Charlemont. Alamy Stock Photo
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MetroLink terminus should be moved from southside stop to city centre, local FF TD tells hearing
Jim O’Callaghan said it is “highly unusual” that the MetroLink “doesn’t terminate in a city centre location”.
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THE TERMINUS FOR Dublin’s MetroLink station should be moved from Charlemont to the city centre, Fianna Fáil TD Jim O’Callaghan has told the second day of an oral hearing into the project.
The Dublin Bay South TD called for the terminus to be moved to either the St Stephen’s Green or Tara Street station, saying that while it makes sense to link Dublin Airport with a city centre location, it is “highly unusual” that the MetroLink “doesn’t terminate in a city centre location”.
The proposed MetroLink will have 16 new stations running from Swords to Charlemont and carry 53 million passengers annually. Construction is set to begin next year, with an opening year of 2035.
The 18.8km route will have an end-to-end journey time of 25 minutes and serve residential areas including Ballymun and Glasnevin, as well as the City Centre and Dublin Airport, and will link to Irish Rail, Luas and bus services.
Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) lodged a Draft Railway Order seeking permission for the project last year and received 318 submissions in response, with An Bord Pleanála deciding to hold oral hearings to facilitate third parties expressing their concerns.
The oral hearings are scheduled to run for around five weeks until 28 March.
Addressing the hearing this morning, O’Callaghan said that Charlemont was chosen for the terminus for the sole reason that it could facilitate a potential upgrade to the Luas Green line.
Charlemont is a residential area in Dublin 2 between Ranelagh and Portobello. It is already served by the Luas Green line.
In 2019, the National Transport Authority (NTA) decided that the MetroLink would not continue past the Charlemont stop and that a proposed upgrade of the Luas Green Line would occur “at an appropriate point in the future”, although the NTA said this may not happen for up to 20 years.
Artist's impression of the Dublin MetroLink Charlemont station. MetroLinkMetroLink
O’Callaghan said that Charlemont is not a major rail hub, is not a city centre location and is a “minor Luas location”, deeming it “an unusual choice” for a terminus.
He said the area will not be capable of supporting the estimated 10 million people that will visit the Charlemont station each year, saying it will have a “detrimental impact” on the surrounding residential area.
€650 million
O’Callaghan also said that TII has not substantiated the reason why Charlemont is being chosen as the city centre location, and argued that St Stephen’s Green would be a more suitable terminus for the project.
He said that as part of the Metro North project in 2011, An Bord Pleanála established St Stephen’s Green as an optimal city centre terminus and “some respect should be given to that previous decision”.
Metrolink project director Aidan Foley confirmed that the cost of bringing MetroLink from St Stephen’s Green to Charlemont would be €650 million.
“This seems an inordinate amount for 1km of tunnel,” O’Callaghan told the hearing, reiterating his point that the only explanation of spending this amount of money on it could be for the future upgrading of the Green Luas line.
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Independent Senator Michael McDowell also said that it was clear that Charlemont was chosen as the terminus in order to integrate the Luas Green line in the future.
“I believe that the ulterior motive is to progress that particular project and that virtually everything that’s being done is being done with a view of its long-term implementation, even though at political level, it’s been interrupted on a number of occasions,” McDowell said.
Of the two road accesses to Charlemont, McDowell said that Grand Parade is “constantly traffic jammed at all times of the day” which would make it “virtually inaccessible” for through traffic to collect people to drop them off.
The other access point to the terminus is the Dartmouth Road, which McDowell said is quiet to the point of being “almost unused”.
There will be no taxi rank and no bus service close to the station, with a bus service on Ranelagh road “some distance away”, he added. TII said that their research had shown that people would mostly use bus and rail services to get to the station.
“Nobody with any degree of imagination would have selected Charlemont as the south city terminus if it were not for wanting to progress the green Luas line development. It’s the most unobvious place that you can imagine,” McDowell said.
‘Near impossible’ to drive through Phibsborough
Earlier this morning, Labour Senator Marie Sherlock told the hearing that it will be “near impossible” to drive through Phibsborough during the height of the construction of the MetroLink.
The Dublin Central senator told the hearing that she believes the impact the construction will have on traffic in the Phibsborough and Glasnevin areas had been “downplayed” by TII.
Artist's impression of the Dublin MetroLink entrance at Glasnevin North. MetroLinkMetroLink
MetroLink estimates that it will take 105 months to build the Griffith Park station, while it also estimates that there will be over 100 heavy duty construction vehicles entering or exiting the construction site of the Glasnevin station on a daily basis over two years.
“I’m no engineer, but to my mind, it will be near impossible to get cars through Phibsborough at the height of the construction of the project,” Sherlock said.
While Matthew Foy, a traffic and transportation expert at Jacobs Engineering, told Sherlock that there would be “very minimal delays” as a result of traffic into the Glasnevin station site, Sherlock was not satisfied that the disruption would be minimal.
The senator also told the hearing of the “anxiety and trepidation” being felt by residents in Glasnevin who are concerned about the impact of tunnelling on their properties.
There is “very serious concern” about the impact on houses in Prospect Square and the surrounding areas, which are over 100 years old, she said.
She asked TII to revisit the parameters of the Property Owners’ Protection Scheme (POPS), a voluntary scheme available to residents whose properties lie within 30 metres of the edge of the MetroLink Tunnel Alignment, or 50 metres of station structures.
She also asked whether TII would cover the cost where damage in excess of €45,000 occurs to a house. But MetroLink project director Aidan Foley said they “have to draw a limit as to how much TII are willing to pay for this scheme”.
“You won’t find TII wanting in this regard. Obviously, we don’t want our project to damage properties, that’s why we put in this scheme. It can’t just be carte blanche to say that any amount sought by a resident for a property affected will be covered,” he said.
Dublin Airport
Labour TD Duncan Smith told the hearing that MetroLink will be “transformational” for all of Dublin, but particularly north Dublin “including my own hometown of Swords”.
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He said that passengers arriving at Dublin Airport have to use a bus service which is “trying at best”.
It is a national embarrassment that we don’t have a rail link linking our national airport to Dublin city.
It followed a submission from Mark Finegan, the head of strategy and operations infrastructure at daa, who said the project would provide “an efficient transport link between Swords, Dublin Airport and Dublin city centre for staff and passengers”.
During his submission, Fianna Fáil TD for Dublin North-West Paul McAuliffe told the hearing that there is “huge excitement” in Ballymun to see the MetroLink completed.
However, he said that apathy to the project is “also huge” given that previous plans for Metro North, which would have served Ballymun, were granted approval in 2010 but shelved in 2011.
McAuliffe said that the main plaza in Ballymun remains unfinished as a result of the project being delayed and that key sites in the main street that have been identified for development have been held back “because of the question: ‘When will the Metro arrive?’”
He also questioned whether a larger discussion was needed as to “why a project granted approval in 2010 needed such a radical redesign when it recommenced in 2015”.
In the second half of the hearing, a representative of the Albert College Residents Association and Ballymun Road North Residents Associations raised objections to the proposed Collins Avenue station.
It is planned that the station will be located on the grounds of Our Lady of Victories Church in Glasnevin.
Collins Avenue
Paul Cusack described the church as “a hub of the community”, with parking at the church being used for weddings, funerals and by parents whose children attend the three schools across the road from the church.
A number of elderly people live near the church, and with the project estimated to take nine years to complete, Cusack said there’s a temptation to say that “many of them will not be around to see the benefit of it”.
He said the church and the schools opposite it have serious concerns about their ability to function in the future. “Who wants to send their child to a school that is in the middle of such difficult circumstances with major construction?”
Cusack argued that putting the station in Albert College Park, a ten-minute walk from the church, would be make more sense as the majority of people who would be using the station would be going to the main DCU campus, which is located next to the park.
But Dr Ronan Hallissey, the environmental impact assessment coordinator for MetroLink, told Cusack that while TII understands “the sensitivity of this location”, it had concluded that the location at the church was the best place for the station.
He said Albert College Park would not be an appropriate location for the station because it does not have the same capacity for interchange as the chosen location, which would “function as a hub for the broadest number of passengers for that part of the city”.
Hallisey added: “While we very much recognise your concerns, I would respond by saying that if MetroLink and Bus Connects go ahead, the traffic congestion – which is a major issue at that junction – would reduce significantly and hopefully the community would be enhanced as a result.”
The hearing will continue tomorrow, when it will hear from other residents associations and Lidl Ireland.
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@James Groden: sounds like the FFG cartel are rushing this mega project through as their last hurrah before SF takes over.
Contracts were probably dished out already with usual connected parties like BAM & Co …
These public hearings are just for show …
Someone should remind the FFG crowd to add maximum project price cap on this one, recalling they “forgot” to do so with the National Children’s hospital that will probably cost over €3B …
Just get it done. Of course there will be traffic problems during construction and noise pollution but nothing compared to what traffic congestion will be like in years to come if not done now.
We are expecting 3 meter sea level rise by 2100 according the KNMI a couple of month ago (nos.nl/collectie/13871/artikel/2495205-onderzoek-antarctische-ijskap-blijft-ook-bij-streng-klimaatbeleid-smelten) based on
nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01818-x
Plus 1 meter due to the collapse of the AMOC as published some weeks ago:
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: That’s not even at the planning stage yet, and it’s already over budget as you’d expect! Some of those consultant’s fees are astronomical…
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: 12 month in a gravity free place will cost 9% of brain mass.Some must have been on Mars twice ;)
See
sealevel.climatecentral.org/
We are expecting 3 meter sea level rise by 2100 according the KNMI a couple of month ago (nos.nl/collectie/13871/artikel/2495205-onderzoek-antarctische-ijskap-blijft-ook-bij-streng-klimaatbeleid-smelten) based on
nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01818-x
Plus 1 meter due to the collapse of the AMOC as published some weeks ago:
The Luas runs to the Point, the tunnel is around the corner, could they not run it through the tunnel in one lane and put it on stilts on exiting the tunnel to the airport.
Might save a few billion euro.
@Gerard Carey: MetroLink connecting to the airport is a fairly minor part of its whole benefit. There are many many more benefits from having rapidly growing commuter suburbs (Ballymun, Santry, Glasnevin, and parts of Finglas) and towns like Swords (and through park-and-ride plenty of areas north of Swords too) connected to a high frequency, high speed, high quality Metro that drops them to the city centre in less than half an hour.
If you run a Luas through the Port Tunnel, you face two huge problems — the first is where is the HGV traffic that used to use that tunnel going to go? The second is how wasteful it is that the route would pass under 5km of Northside suburbs with zero stations provided along the way.
It needs to be said as loudly as possible — MetroLink (and any other bit of transport infrastructure we build) is about making it way easier for people to find homes in Dublin they can live in and commute from, it’s not about helping tourists get from the airport.
@Gerard Carey: Probably make more sense to build a super rail connection from Shannon Airport to Dublin. All the Dulchies could then move back to the sticks instead of commuting to their holiday homes west of the Shannon at the weekend
@Gerard Carey: building a tunnel in a sea town …. well …. see:
sealevel.climatecentral.org/
We are expecting 3 meter sea level rise by 2100 according the KNMI a couple of month ago (nos.nl/collectie/13871/artikel/2495205-onderzoek-antarctische-ijskap-blijft-ook-bij-streng-klimaatbeleid-smelten) based on
nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01818-x
Plus 1 meter due to the collapse of the AMOC as published some weeks ago:
This is so strangely ignorant a comment by Callaghan, that I can only suspect ulterior motives.
This version of MetroLink will have city centre stations at O’Connell Street (Red Line connection), Tara Street (DART connection), and St Stephen’s Green (Green Line connection.
What does it matter that Charlemont is the terminus?
Is that supposed to confer some extra status that we shouldn’t confer?
When he says “Grand Parade is “constantly traffic jammed at all times of the day” which would make it “virtually inaccessible” for through traffic to collect people to drop them off” — does he think that a terminus in the city centre would be BETTER for this?
@Matthew: I’m not sure that €650M for 1Km tunnel to Charlemont is a priority. We need Luas lines to the West far more than we need a tunnel to Charlemont, that may be useful ‘when the Green Line is upgraded’ (I’ll tell my grandchildren to keep an eye out for that, I’ll certainly be long gone)
@Matthew: Obviously lobbying on behalf of constituents in his ear. Like all of the politicians who cry about the housing situation then protest against housing in their areas.
@Pintman Paddy Losty: Agree, it’s a strange diversion. But it wouldn’t be adding to city centre traffic so much as reducing it by laying on fast public transport. Maybe some group wants Charlemont to be the new Montrose bottleneck? I still say boost the Northside where they have room to expand and plenty of people interested in living there.
Any article relating to RTE is of public interest. Closing comments is concerning and depriving the public of discussing their public misdemeanours. Funny they still expect people to pay tv licence… its great to see everyone is standing firm by boycotting that tax.
A classic case of Nimbyism from O’Callaghan. Why shorten the track just to keep O’Callaghan happy with his symbolic terminus in city centre-there will be 3 city centre stops anyway on way to Charlemont. If cost cutting was at the heart of his argument for shortening the overall route (just to have the terminus at city centre) I would have a small bit more sympathy for him but it clearly isn’t- just good old fashioned Nimbyism.
The metro should stop in Connolly and Heuston besides the city centre, but this may be too common sense for the government. Imagine all the people coming from all corners of Ireland could take the train and metro. That alone would incentivise people not to drive and pay Carl park fees at Dublin Airport, not to mention tourism.
@eoin fitzpatrick: it also stops at O’Connell Street, about 10 minutes walk from Connolly, or a couple of stops on the Red Line. For Heuston, it’s the Red Line in the other direction there too.
Connecting Connolly AND Heuston is a matter for DART Interconnector/Underground or DART+ Tunnel as it is now called.
O Callaghan is the classic Irish politician, arguing over where stops should be, when this is going on since 2005. Lots of reports & people spouting sh about where this should or shouldn’t be & not a single rail of track laid 19 years later.
If it ever goes ahead, like the National Children’s Hospital it will take decades to open & probably end up being the most expensive Metrolink build in the world.i ok
The route and stops were finalised ages ago. Idiots like this TD are only trying to hold the project up now. I mean it’s bloody treasonous at this stage, leave the project alone and let it happen as is, it’s a good plan.
@You’re Not Serious: In Copenhagen they’re allowed to take bikes onto the Metro except between 7am and 10am. The system there is amazing and actually helps get cars off the road.
@Lilly Lalogue: if you can’t take them during those hours and we know why- you are effectively saying no you can’t take them either between 4-7pm either
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Had to have a quick look to see if I could find costs for similar tunnels. Turns out boring is actually quite interesting and their are lots of variables.
A terminus is NOT just like any other stop on the line – take a look at the Sandyford Luas stop. You need to be able to accommodate multiple sidings, for trains and that takes a lot of real estate. In fact the best place for this terminus is actually UCD
Metrolink looks like nonsense. It actually runs under the Luas Green line for 3-4 stops. Utter nonsense. It should connect with the Luas lines/Dart/connolly and Heuston but not mirror any of them.
@Fred Coloe: This is utter nonsense. Plenty of tube lines serve the same stations. The metrolink can only be a good thing as it’s replacing…. absolutely nothing. There’s nothing there now. Nothing but unreliable buses to the airport. It’s a joke
And here we go. The NIMBYs getting their bit in right away. Yes everyone has a right to voice their concerns but the national interest has to be balanced against this. The fact that Ranelagh residents association managed to have the line go no further than Charlemont is a disgrace. There will be disruption but that’s what you are going to get with any major project. Suck it up.
‘They never planned for the future with ! How foolish can you be?’
‘They are planning ahead with this terminus. How dare they? Don’t they know that people live here? How foolish can you be?’
Here the flood map, it was last updated in 2020 but is useful for showing the elevations.
sealevel.climatecentral.org/
We are expecting 3 meter sea level rise by 2100 according the KNMI a couple of month ago (nos.nl/collectie/13871/artikel/2495205-onderzoek-antarctische-ijskap-blijft-ook-bij-streng-klimaatbeleid-smelten) based on
nature.com/articles/s41558-023-01818-x
Plus 1 meter due to the collapse of the AMOC as published some weeks ago:
Most of these railway lines and stations will be useless with only 1 meter sea level increase.
I like the idea to put water based structures on stilts.It won’t help the passengers but keeps their feet dry.
@Juri Hertel: True, and we also need to consider the hinterland that people are commuting from.
I grew up on the Southside where when the rivers rose over the roads, people drove via the mountains until the flooding went down. Since then, extra flood measures have been constructed to reduce that. Maybe we need a line routed via higher ground, and sooner rather than later?
@F Fitzgerald: This project must be cancelled.
The laws of physics aren’t up for a discussion.
All coastal cities must make plans to evacuate them, the sea level rise is unstoppable unless …but this isn’t seen.
gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/
Building a connecting traffic system must consider the foreseeable future at the connection points:the stations,the passenger and cargo stations,they will be flooded.The area around them will be flooded.No one comes by boat,mores it at a metro station and carries his bike or the pram up the stairs,drives a few miles and then carry his luggage down into the water.What for?
As long as war and exploitation aren’t stopped there is no chance of reducing the CO2 content in the atmosphere.
The 3 meter sea level rise by 2100 are a fixed fact,there is nothing that can be done about it.
But we can spare our civilisation from worse – if system change is accepted.
The evacuation must be done,new cities must be build higher above.Now.
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