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LAST UPDATE | 19 Dec 2019
AN OFFICER IN Russia’s FSB security service has been killed and five people have been wounded after a gunman opened fire near its central Moscow headquarters.
The FSB, a successor to the KGB, said the lone attacker was “neutralised” after the attack outside its notorious headquarters on Lubyanka Square close to a busy shopping area in the heart of the Russian capital.
Footage shot by passers-by showed people running in panic while armed officers made their way towards the scene after the late evening incident, taking cover behind parked cars.
“An unknown individual opened fire near building… there are casualties. The identity of the criminal is being established. The criminal has been neutralised,” the FSB said.
It added later that “one FSB officer has died”, and denied some reports of multiple gunmen, insisting there was only one attacker.
AFP correspondents in the area however heard more gunfire in the area two hours later, as police cordons remained around the area.
Witness Andrei Molchanov told AFP at the scene he saw one body and had heard rounds of automatic weapons fire.
‘Faced inevitable destruction’
Pavel, another witness who was in a cafe near the scene, said he heard solitary automatic gunfire and questioned why anybody would open fire near the heavily guarded FSB headquarters.
“They knew they faced inevitable destruction: it’s the centre of Moscow … a person must be desperate for this to happen.”
The ominous grey building, known simply as the Lubyanka after the square where it is located, was the headquarters of the KGB in Soviet times with a fearsome reputation as the location for interrogating prisoners.
Several videos shot from different vantage points showed armed men running out of an FSB reception office located close to the headquarters.
Footage posted on Telegram news channel Baza, shot in the square near the FSB headquarters, showed a man running and being apparently shot in the back after which he laid in the middle of the parking lot.
Another video showed gunfire at the windows of the FSB headquarters.
Russia’s Investigative Committee launched a probe into the shooting and “attempt on life of a law enforcement employee”, without giving the number of casualties.
The health ministry told Russian agencies that five people were being treated for injuries due to the shooting, without specifying the nature of the injuries or whether the casualties were civilians.
Putin informed
The incident came on the eve of the Day of Security Service in Russia which is celebrated on 20 December.
President Vladimir Putin also gave a speech today marking a concert for the Russian security workers’ day, saying that at least 54-terror related crimes had been thwarted in Russia in 2019, including 33 attacks.
The Russian leader had earlier been in central Moscow for his annual marathon news conference with journalists that lasted almost four and a half hours.
Putin had been informed about the incident, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies.
Russia has in the last few years been hit by a spate of attacks blamed on Islamist militants, often hailing from the restive Northern Caucasus region.
A Russian court earlier this month sentenced 11 people to terms including life in prison after finding them guilty of a deadly bomb attack on the Saint Petersburg metro in 2017 that killed 15 people and wounded dozens more.
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Don’t worry, only white people can be racist.
@Conor Jugh: racism breeds racism.
@Tony Daly: so you are still blaming white people Tony?
@Tony Daly: stupidity breeds stupidity
@technoviking: I agree, sure you are living proof
I cinsuder human nature to blame. We seek to find material and significant different in superficial matter such as skin colour, religion and political ideology, failing to realise that people, regardless of colour, are what is important.
@Tony Daly: Then do explain this to us Tony. If it is really human nature that’s to blame, why is it that only the followers of a specific ideology appear to be conducting attacks against civilians on a global scale with the intent to wipe out individuals who refuse to follow a particular faith? If our nature is to blame, where are the Buddhist suicide bombers or the Taoist mass shootings outside Christian churches?
@Jason Culligan: https://youtu.be/QjvfaZIDLCg
@Jason Culligan:
So you went from a broad aspect like human nature and then made so many parameters to your answer it could only lead one place.
Well if it is the case that every person that believes in that religion must “conduct attacks against civilians on a global scale” the why isnt 1.6 billion of these followers doing it?
I dont like any religion myself but to see an idiot like you trying desperately to blame a whole group of people because they have a casual connection….
@Jason Culligan:
Followers of the ideology American patriotism gleefully voted to bomb Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands of people.
@Conor Jugh: not true i have a black labrador who does drive by shits on my neighbors lawn because he racially hates my neighbors Chinese shitzu. I don’t get involved but i think blacky hates shitzy.
@Tony Daly: just like hatred breeds hatred. ..the vicious cycle of life.
@Peedur Dante: hmm a voting form that asks people if they want to bomb and kill thousands of people, I don’t think so sunshine. That’s like saying the people of Ireland voted to pay the bank bondholders. Welcome to the world of governments.
@Scundered:
It’s called representative democracy, look it up.
@Stephen Coveney:
“Well if it is the case that every person that believes in that religion must “conduct attacks against civilians on a global scale” the why isnt 1.6 billion of these followers doing it?”
When asked the question ‘Would you report an individual to authorities who you suspected of being radicalised’, two thirds of British Muslims surveyed said ‘No’.
When asked for their opinion on homosexual relations, half of British Muslims surveyed said that homosexuality should be illegal in the UK.
When asked about Sharia law, one quarter of British Muslims surveyed gave the answer that they believe that the UK should replace the current system with Sharia law.
This is from supposedly ‘westernised’ and ‘moderate’ Muslims.
“I dont like any religion myself but to see an idiot like you trying desperately to blame a whole group of people because they have a casual connection….”
It’s more than just a casual connection now Stephen. The Quran is filled from cover to cover with calls for Muslims to attack those who refuse to submit to Allah. It’s very clear on that point.
@Jason Culligan:
“when asked the question ” etc etc
And who was asking all these questions jason? you? Or do you have some dodgy survey your going to quote from as evidence that all one billion Muslims adhere to this type of violent thinking
@Peedur Dante: Oh give it a rest with the stupid words games will you? The only people that talk about all Muslims are people like yourself. Whenever anyone criticises Islam all you can do is conflate the ideology with the people. This does nothing to help anyone. Muslims are the first victims of the theology you dipshiit.
@Matty kinevan:
I’m sorry if you have trouble dealing with my arguments poor baby. It’s not even midday and you’ve already resorted to name calling, feeling a bit fuzzy this morning are we? Why don’t you use your lotto millions to set up your own news site and only let bigots like yourself comment on it, you’ll feel a lot safer and less intellectually bullied there.
@Peedur Dante: Don’t flatter yourself cupcake. Tell you what, show me a single piece of evidence for my “bigotry” and I’ll send you 2k via PayPal. Deal?
@Matty kinevan:
1 offering money in an internet disagreement, that’s truly pathetic. I’m deeply embarrassed for you.
2 yesterday in out “debate” you said that you believe the majority of Muslims are made violent by the violent language in the Quran. I would classify that as being pretty intolerant of Muslim beliefs.
You can donate that 2 grand to a refuge charity for me. And for the love of God try to show some dignity in future.
@Peedur Dante: I said no such thing. You have no arguments or answers so you can only resort to ridiculous debate and diversion tactics. False summaries of your opponents views, logical fallacies left right and centre, you should really consider going into politics because you sure as hell talk like a politician. This is as clear as day to anyone paying attention. You’re semi right about one thing though, I am incredibly intolerant of certain religious teachings because I am a decent human being. Are you tolerant of fgm, stoning, murdering gays, paedophilia etc? If not then I guess you’re a bigot too
@Matty kinevan:
You just admitted to being a bigot again, ha. Does the refugee charity get another 2 grand of your fake money.If you can’t square up to the tempo of the debate like a big boy then leave the big subjects to the adults to discuss, whinging like a baby only serves to embarrass you further.
@Peedur Dante: I believe my previous comment accurately addresses your subsequent comment. You should just move to Belgium and become a full time waffle merchant. Go on now you have the last word there like I know you wanna, amaze me with your intellect little man.
@Matty kinevan:
Well I’d rather be a politician working for the betterment of others than a lotto millionaire sitting at home, terrified by the Muslim boogeyman and growing more angry and bitter by the minute.
More blood on liberal’s hands. All that “White people are evil” ideology is having an effect
@George Orwell:
Just a few days ago in Berkeley, a group of activists demonstrating in favour of the 1st Amendment and free speech were attacked by Antifa hooligans while the police stood by and watched. Today, a Muslim commited a terrorist attack in Fresno.
A proud week for California.
@Jason Culligan:
In fairness, those Antifa goons got battered and ran out of the place.
@Lepanto: My point is more about how ludicrous the situation is. In the US you can now watch as people are shot at your local congregation for following the ‘wrong’ faith and, when you go out to demonstrate against this, get attacked by an entitled college student who thinks you’re a Nazi while the police watch and do nothing.
@Jason Culligan: I see. So the cops are in on the conspiracy as well. Oh well.
@Jason Culligan:
True, this guy gives a good explanation why, it seems in US colleges the not only teach but preach their flavour of Ideology.. https://youtu.be/y0HKgs-0zDY
@Lepanto: *they
@Tony Daly: Have you watched the footage of Berkeley Tony? The violent clashes lasted for well over an hour yet the police were nowhere to be found. Officers who were asked about their lack of involvement indicated that their orders were to not intervene and let the attacks take place. Doesn’t sound like a police force that’s concerned about the welfare of citizens, does it?
@Jason Culligan:
In the US you can also watch police shoot innocent unarmed victims simply because they are the wrong colour.
@Jason Culligan: after letting the Milo riots happen a while back maybe the police held off this time because they knew the antifa cowards were going to get a taste of their own medicine. Funny how the anti fascists were the ones dressed uniformly and mostly covering their faces.
@Pat Mustard:
milo, it’s funny I’d pretty much forgotten about the guy. The world is a far better place without hearing his tired self promoting brand of contrarianism.
@Peedur Dante: Yet, when you look at the statistics, the shooting of innocent individuals based exclusively on racial grounds is almost non-existent. The vast majority of police shootings are justified.
@Jason Culligan:
Just because the majority of police shootings are justified that doesn’t excuse the unjustified ones, and certainly doesn’t excuse the fact that officers that have been proved to use their weapon unlawfully rarely if ever face punishment.
@Peedur Dante:
“Just because the majority of police shootings are justified that doesn’t excuse the unjustified ones”
How many of these incidences occur then Peedur?
“and certainly doesn’t excuse the fact that officers that have been proved to use their weapon unlawfully rarely if ever face punishment.”
Again, how many?
Here are a few new hero’s for you peeps ;)
https://twitter.com/boldandproper/status/854003132522610688
The Proud Boys : These beauts believe that a women are ‘suited’ to stay at home to have children,and not to enter the workforce ..
They’re also pro- guns,they favour closed borders,and that there should be minimal government…just some of their beliefs..
Sabo – a street artist who was hoping that the antifa would show up with sticks & mace .Then they could legally attack them..”I hope that there is going to be a good fight”
Identity Evropa (which is like Éire Warning peeps on here ) -it believes in the supremacy of white people- and the paucity of other cultures ,,Yikes!
One of their leaders is a guy called ‘Damingo’..He was given a five year sentence for robbing a ‘non-white’ taxi driver because he looked Iraqi ..Yikes!
The Oath Keepers is another group that was there at that protest…
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/oath-keepers
@Jason Culligan:
You know jason, I really shouldn’t be doing your googling for you because it encourages laziness, but here you go. Over 100 unarmed black men shot by US police in 2015 alone
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
@Peedur Dante: You still haven’t come up with how many were unjustified or unlawful?
@John Weldon:
Oh jeez, do you own googling will you? Besides that information is already contained in the link I posted which you obviously did not read.
@Peedur Dante:
“Over 100 unarmed black men shot by US police in 2015 alone”
That’s not what your link shows at all actually. That link shows 100 black individuals who died due to police actions which involves dying in police custody (where they are obviously unarmed), died in car accidents involving police officers, individuals who were assaulting police officers, individuals who pointed fake weapons at officers and people who were attacking officers with other sorts of weapons.
Not exactly a strong argument.
@Jason Culligan:
Hate to do a cut and paste job but below are the figures so no one has to take jasons word for it,oh and by the way jason, because some of the unarmed black men were killed while in police custody that somehow makes it ok does it? What?
Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week.
Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher
37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population
Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015
Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime
@Peedur Dante: You can throw pesky facts at some people,but they will still choose to ignore them..The likes of the Jason’s of this world will never look into ‘why’ there are problems in black areas of America,simply because,they won’t let their little small minds to go there..Heck,they won’t even go there to visit ;)
@Peedur Dante:
So you finally got around to opening your source. We’re making some progress.
Now, if you actually delve into the examples that your source provides you’ll see that the list is comprised of police shootings, uses of tasers, car accidents and deaths in custody.
Now, on to the statistics that you won’t provide:
- According to the US Department of Justice, 52.2% of all homicides committed between 1980 and 2008 were committed by black offenders.
- Of that, 93% of black victims of homicide in that period were killed by a black assailant.
- The National Youth Gang Survey Analysis of 2011 showed that 35% of all US gang members were black, 46% were hispanics and whites made up just 11% of the American gang population.
- The National Crime Victimization Survey showed that black individuals were 16 times more likely than white and hispanic individuals to be arrested for robbery.
It’s simple logic. Commit more crime, encounter the police more often and the likelihood of you getting shot is statistically higher than others.
Unless you can prove a direct racist cause for this rather than simple statistics, I’m afraid you’ve got no point to stand on.
@Jason Culligan:
And like I said in an earlier comment, that black people are convicted of more crime than white people is a symptom of the institutional racism in the US law and governmental agencies and the terrible poverty black people are condemned to because of said racism. Why else would the figures be as they are, unless jason you’re suggesting that black peoples have some sort of predisposition to committing crime, are you suggesting that jason?
@Peedur Dante:
“And like I said in an earlier comment, that black people are convicted of more crime than white people is a symptom of the institutional racism”
Only Peedur could argue that a country which overwhelmingly elected a black man as their most powerful individual twice is institutionally racist. I’ve asked you for proof of this multiple times but you’ve yet to provide any.
“and the terrible poverty black people are condemned to because of said racism”
Slavery ended hundreds of years ago. Black people were given the same rights and responsibilities that everyone else has in the 1960′s. In that time many black people have gone on to do great things including becoming CEO’s, Secretary of State and even POTUS.
If America was institutionally racist and intentionally wanted to keep black people down then why would black people be able to rise to such impressive positions?
“Why else would the figures be as they are, unless jason you’re suggesting that black peoples have some sort of predisposition to committing crime, are you suggesting that jason?”
The first step would be to look at the reasons as to why the black community has a woeful number of absentee fathers compared to other groups. Research has shown that children who grow up in unstable single parent environments are statistically more likely to develop issues with anger management and respect for authority. This is leading to a high level of juvenile crime and school drop-outs in the black community which further leads to long-term poverty and criminal activity.
It wasn’t always like this. Into the 1970′s black communities had the lowest rates of absentee fathers in the US and black areas weren’t crime-filled wastelands.
@Jason Culligan:
One black president does not mean the whole country is cured of racism.
Black people were given equal rights in the 1960′s .That’s not a very long time ago at all, and when it finally came to pass there wasn’t a magic switch flicked over night and suddenly black people were instantaneously equal to whites in power and wealth, what a simplistic view of the world you have, childlike in its innocence it would be cute if your ideas weren’t so misguided. And finally you’re blaming the incarceration rate of blacks in the US on absentee fathers, again jason, that’s just laughably simplistic and impossible to prove, if you can find stats to back up that claim I’d be very interested
@Jason Culligan : Could you please provide us with more information in what rights that black people got after slavery ended ? Maybe you would start off with housing ..thanks
@Jason Culligan:
” A Justice Department investigation found that the Baltimore Police Department engages in unconstitutional practices that lead to disproportionate rates of stops, searches and arrests of African-Americans, and excessive use of force against juveniles and people with mental health disabilities.”
Source : http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/09/us/baltimore-justice-department-report/
Chicago Police Department Report
“The tone of the draft as “scathing” and says it recommends that the department “acknowledge its racist history”
Source : https://chicagopatf.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/PATF-Complete-Recommendations-.pdf
@Jason Culligan:
“It wasn’t always like this. Into the 1970’s black communities had the lowest rates of absentee fathers in the US and black areas weren’t crime-filled wastelands.”
Did Nixon have any part in what happened afterwards,Jason ?
@Peedur Dante: Around this time last year,there was one (surprising) politician that spoke out after the deaths of the five Dallas police shooters.His name was Newt Gingrich ..
This is what he said : “It is more dangerous to be black in America. It’s both more dangerous because of the crime, which is the Chicago story,”
“But it is more dangerous in that [you are] substantially more likely to be in a situation where police don’t respect you and where you could easily get killed. And I think sometimes, for whites, it’s difficult to appreciate how real that is. It’s an everyday danger.”
“It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this. If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America, and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk.”
@Francis Mc Carthy:
Wise words, and difficult ideas for him to come upon. Thanks for sharing
So we gonna call this a hate crime? Or does that only count when it’s a white shooter?
They don’t know if it involves terrorism? His name’s Muhammad and he shouted Allah akbar, I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet myself.
@Anna Bee: even if it was a white lad shouting praise Jesus it’d still be terrorism surely?
@jane: Yes it would by it’s very definition be a terrorist act, what’s your point?
@jane: Honest question Anna, how often does that happen? On a global scale, by far the leading driver behind terrorist attacks in the last two decades has been radical Islam.
@Anna Bee: just saying it’s terrorism whatever the whackjob believes in.
@jane: Ah but as Jason above said Islamic terrorist actions far outnumber those of any other religion on the planet. Islam is a political ideology and a religion all rolled into one, it’s dangerous to us all and must be stopped.
@Anna Bee:
Islam must be stopped you say, and how exactly do you imagine that to happen?
@Peedur Dante: When people like yourself and Jane there stop making excuses for it and the world unites against it.
@Anna Bee:
You should like your describing a power rangers movie. You are a hopeless fantasist if you think the majority of the population of the world will be swayed by your hateful rhetoric. What you seem to be calling for is a holy war, what a childish notion.
@Anna Bee: maybe he said i love snackbar…cadbury chocolate can be addictive.
@Anna Bee: maybe he said i love snackbars..cadbury chocolate can be addictive.
@Peedur Dante: We need to expose muhammad as the obvious fraud that he was and help Muslims break away from the cult that he created. Nobody suffers more than Muslims because of Islam.
@Matty kinevan:
And how would you go about doing that matty?
@Peedur Dante: By subjecting his teachings to criticism, just like we do with any other religion. That is real equality. You and people like you seem to have some hang up about criticising the beliefs of people who have different skin colours. You guys judge people differently because of their race. Who is actually being a racist or bigot here? Muhammad was a monster who’s life course was very much in harmony with what isis is doing now. Anyone who can read can find that out. He made the whole thing up, that much is painfully obvious. The whole thing is geared towards getting him what he wanted. He was a con man. A 7th century trump if you will.
@Matty kinevan:
The life of Muhammad and his teachings have been studied and critiqued by scholars for centuries. Have you personally discovered some previously hidden verses of the Quran and wish to throw your hat into this field of academia? Or have you been spending too much time believing everything you read on racist websites and forums? I hope it’s the former, it would make you much less of a bore.
@Peedur Dante: Tariq? Must be to be that pro Islam. Innocent people died tonight because of your religion and yet you still promote it, go to bed you complete waste of space.
@Peedur Dante: So you think he was legit do you?
@Anna Bee: More like taqqiya…
@Peedur Dante: Btw Islam is no more a race than scientology is, so to keep calling it’s critics racist, makes you look ridiculous.
@Anna Bee (and matty lotto millions)
To be honest I believe anybody who believes in any kind of organised religion is a bit intellectually infantile. Systems of thought designed to help find inner peace like say Buddhism I can tolerate, but magic beings in the sky is a bridge too far for me, and I have in no way condoned the actions of the murderer in this article.
@Matty kinevan and Anna
Glad to see you found a friend matty, you guys are cute.
@Peedur Dante: So you agree that muhammed just made the whole thing up then?
@Matty kinevan:
Made up what whole thing? I’ve told you I’m an atheist so I don’t believe in the factual accuracy of m
@Peedur Dante:
Most religious texts.
@Anna Bee: err, it would need to be done with the intention of advancing a political cause to make it terrorise.
Terrorising people does not imply terrorism.
And neither does shouting allua if you’re mentally unstable
.
Peedur aka Liam Egan , Open Borders , Joey Westland , Tariq , Diarmuid and gods knows how many other fake accounts and not behind hijacking other people’s accounts , the one constant is support of Islamism but not surprising when he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood
@Mike Cantwell:
I’ve said earlier in this thread that I’m an atheist who believes anyone who adheres to organised religion is being intellectually infantile. That would make me an infidel wouldn’t it?
Besides I barely have the energy for one account.
This type of anti-white racist sentiment is on the rise sadly.
At least it’s not a hate crime
Probably influenced by Black Lives Matter racist rhetoric
@Sara Elia López: or not.
@Sara Elia López:
Yeah sara, it’s so racist to protest when the police force that you trust to protect you, start killing innocent in armed black men for no other reason then that they were black. How unreasonable.
@Peedur Dante:
Unarmed
@Peedur Dante: How many “innocent unarmed black men” have been shot by police in the US Peedur? Of those, how many were attacking police or innocent bystanders during the shooting? I’m sure you’re aware that ‘unarmed’ in the media simply means not in the possession of a firearm and other deadly weapons aren’t included.
@Jason Culligan: When was the last time you did something fun with cool people?
@Jason Culligan: Could you give us those exact figures? I would like to have a look at them ..Thanks..
@Jason Culligan:
Here you go jason, over 100 unarmed black men shot by police in the US in 2015 alone
https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
@Peedur Dante:
“The officer attempted to subdue Matthews with pepper spray and shot him during a struggle when Matthews reached for his gun”
and
“They claim he put deputies in a “bear hug” and reached for a firearm before being shot by deputies.”
and
“Oakland police were towing vehicles near 90th Ave. and Bancroft Ave. when they claim Richard, 39, approached them and “pointed a firearm in their direction.” They shot Richard multiple times. Police later revealed Richard’s “firearm” was actually a toy gun.”
and
“Police say Lamontez, 39, was “causing a disturbance” downtown and ran when police approached him. Police shot Lamontez multiple times, claiming he aimed a gun at them. Police later revealed that the gun was a toy.”
Seems like there’s a running theme in the link that you provided. I’ve identified three very common types of ‘deaths’ in that link:
1- An aggressive assailant who was physically attacking a police officer and attempting to grab the officer’s gun was shot. Considering the fact that 10% of all police gun fatalities are with their own firearm, that’s a significant threat to the officer’s life.
2- An individual who was idiotic enough to point a fake firearm at police officers.
3- Killed in a car crash involving officers.
Great link there Peedur, very insightful.
@Jason Culligan:
All of those are examples of unarmed men being shot by armed police. And you picked a handful of examples out of over 100.
Also toy guns are pretty popular the world over, you’d think highly trained officers would be able to tell the difference, other wise I’d think twice about letting your kids play cowboys and Indians out on the streets in the U.S( of course it wouldn’t be a problem if the kids are white)
@Peedur Dante:
“All of those are examples of unarmed men being shot by armed police.”
Clearly not:
“Chandra, 48, was killed by Kansas City, MO police, who crashed their patrol car into the driver’s side of her Pontiac Grand Am”
and
“Birmingham, AL: An officer crashed into Stephen’s SUV while rushing to respond to a domestic call, killing him. He was 45 years old.”
You’re apparently not able to read your own sources. Clearly many of the people included in this list were involved in accidents with police or were in custody at the time of their death.
“Also toy guns are pretty popular the world over, you’d think highly trained officers would be able to tell the difference,”
This is a toy:
http://www.airgundepot.com/sig-sauer-p226-air-pistol-black.html
This is the real thing:
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p226-enhanced-elite-full-size.html
Can you tell the difference at a distance?
@Jason Culligan:
Again you’re nit picking a few examples to suit your needs, an extremely simplistic and transparent defence of an indefensible institutional racism that exists in the U.S. the figures speak for themselves
“Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015″
And that’s despite the fact that white people make up 70% of the population.
Tell me jason, what do you get out of defending these racist killers? Are you a racist jason?
@Peedur Dante:
“Again you’re nit picking a few examples to suit your needs”
You said that the list was of innocent people shot by police. I pulled out a few examples to show that you obviously haven’t read your source. I can’t pull out every example for understandable reasons.
““Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015″
And that’s despite the fact that white people make up 70% of the population.”
Black people also commit over 50% of the violent crime in the US despite making up just 13% of the population. If you’re going to commit more crime, you’re going to end up in front of law enforcement more often and the chance of a violent altercation is elevated.
It’s simple logic.
“Tell me jason, what do you get out of defending these racist killers?”
The satisfaction of knowing that unfounded allegations of racism by people who can’t even read the sources that they provide is not going unchallenged.
“Are you a racist jason?”
Insinuating that your opposition is racist lost it’s impact years ago Peedur. If you’re going to try to shut down the debate you’re going to need something better than that.
Still waiting on you to tell me if you can tell the difference between the toy and the real gun at a distance.
@Jason Culligan:
Oh I don’t care about your silly gun game
And black people being convicted of more crime than white people is another symptom of the institutional racism I was talking about and the poverty they are condemned to, or do you think black people have some sort of predisposition towards committing crime?
And finally, I didn’t insinuate that you were a racist I asked you were you one? Well are you? Do you believe that white people are better than black people? It’s a straight forward question that you chose to deflect last time, I wonder why.
@Peedur Dante:
“Oh I don’t care about your silly gun game”
Because you can’t. At least be honest. You can’t tell the difference but you’re too proud to admit that you were wrong.
“And black people being convicted of more crime than white people is another symptom of the institutional racism I was talking about and the poverty they are condemned to, or do you think black people have some sort of predisposition towards committing crime?”
What causes it is irrelevant. The fact is black people commit more crime than white or hispanic people, they encounter the police in suspect/deputy situations more often than white or hispanic people and they get shot more often than white or hispanic people because of this.
You’ve yet to prove that there’s any “institutional racism” in the US. You claim that you’ve got no time for religion but you’re willing to believe in a silly concept like institutional racism without evidence.
“And finally, I didn’t insinuate that you were a racist I asked you were you one?”
You and I both know what you’re attempting to do.
The simple answer is no. We both know that you’re now going to try to come up with some convoluted way of accusing me of being a racist to win some sort of virtue signaling argument and I really don’t care.
Stick to the topic at hand.
@Jason Culligan:
“What causes the crime is irrelevant” ???? Are you serious? You have no explanation for the discrepancy between black convictions and white ones so you deem it irrelevant, that’s the stupidest comment I’ve heard on here all week. I expected more from you jason. Let me help you, the cause is institutional racism, the solution, because we can only find solutions as long as we don’t seem the cause irrelevant ( still can’t believe you said that) is to end the institutional racism and not blame the victims.
@Peedur Dante:
“Are you serious?”
Yes.
“You have no explanation for the discrepancy between black convictions and white ones so you deem it irrelevant”
I have a suspicion of what’s causing it and outlined my suspicion in another comment. I deemed it irrelevant because speculating on the cause is irrelevant when analysing the results which is what we’ve been doing.
“the cause is institutional racism”
I think this is the third or fourth time I’m asking this. Where is your proof that institutional racism exists? I feel like I’m asking a Christian to prove that heaven exists at this point.
“the solution, because we can only find solutions as long as we don’t seem the cause irrelevant ( still can’t believe you said that) is to end the institutional racism and not blame the victims.”
Hypothetical black man robs a store. He’s confronted by a police officer who is called to the scene. Black man strikes at police officer and attempts to grab said officer’s gun. Officer manages to reach gun and discharge it, resulting in the death of the assailant.
In this situation, you are expecting me to not blame the black man who put himself in that position and assaulted a police officer because of some mythical ‘institutional racism’ that you cannot prove exists?
And people say that Born Again Christians are blinded by faith in the invisible.
@Jason Culligan:
I’ve posted figures to prove my argument numerous times, all you’re able to counter me with is nit picked examples and hypothetical questions, that’s a pretty weak defence wouldn’t you say. And again you insist the root cause of the discrepancy in these crime statistics is irrelevant because why? You’ve suddenly decided that we’re only allow to discuss the effects and not the cause, well I’m sorry jason, you don’t get set the parameters of our discussion.
@ Jason Culligan : ” a silly concept like institutional racism”
You have never ever set foot in America,yet you actually put that load of hogwash up.Serious question for you Jason.Have you become an online troll? Seriously,even you cannot be this dumb.Can you?
I hope people can now see that racism against whites IS possible and it DOES EXIST!
@Frog Náireach: Of course it exists only an idiot would think otherwise.
Islam has nothing to do with Islam
@Matty kinevan: can,t understand what do you mean by that?
@matheus: Then you’re missing out. It’s pretty funny actually.
@Matty kinevan:
Yeash, not a lot of laughs for that one, all your lotto winnings didn’t buy you a sense of humour.
Amazed the way this even made the news. The Liberals out in California ensure stuff like this usually never makes the news… Just what is their agenda I would love to know? Sick in the end people
“……Dyer (Police Chief) said research into Muhammad led police to his Facebook page, where messages he posted indicated that he “does not like white people” and has expressed “anti-government sentiments.”
The victims were all white males, Dyer said, although police have not released names.
Police said Muhammad has some criminal history of terrorist threats, but they do not know if he is on any terrorist watchlist…..”
It’s a simple fact that Islam meaning submit/submission has one goal , that is world dominance anyone denying that seriously need to open their eyes, its written in the quaran the book is absolute truth to Muslims yes of course the majority of Muslims are peaceful but that is just the peaceful jihad slowly tipping away at foreign cultures working away all of a sudden they are running the local council , it’s happening right now , Taqqiya is the word used when Muslims lie to foreigners or infidel it’s ok to do that once it furthers islams goals , it’s written in black and white wake up snowflakes!!!
Lone wolf no doubt. Of course we can’t put them all in the same basket can we. Move along . R.I.P or is that too P.C ?
This is terrifying.
The Left are the new collaboroationists because they invite these people in to impose totalitarian Sharia on the West.
@Jason culligan “Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” (I Corinthians 14:34-35) even the bible says things that people would not believe to be right in this day and age so therefore not all Christian follow it the same goes for muslims although the qu’ran says violent things it doesn’t mean all muslims are terrorists that have to be stopped by stopping multiculturalism you are stereotyping all muslims . There are bad people with wrong views everywhere Muslim Jewish Christian Hindu and the rest after all I would consider hitler a terrorist and he was a Christian
While Hitler was undoubtedly a Grade A Asshat, he wouldn’t be considered a terrorist in the strictest sense of the word. He was the recognised head of a sovereign nation. He had uniformed troops (thanks Hugo Boss). You get the idea.
@Spilt Pint:
Never knew that about Hugo Boss but just googled it – shocking.
People should boycott the brand (not that I’ve ever bought any HB stuff anyway).
@Avina Laaf: Hope you don’t drive a Ford, or a VW. Or drink Fanta.
Hate breeds hate. Racism breeds racism.
@Tony Daly: I breed horses
@Tony Daly:
Have you read the Quran Tony?
@Tony Daly: You’ve read the Sharia field manual, I see.
@Jason Culligan: like anyone has Jason! Foolish comment. Along the same lines as asking someone have they read the Bible or the Torah.
I don’t read religious material or political polemic.
@Alan: I’ve read the bible, it’s hilarious.
@Tony Daly: Then you will confirm that you have a gap in your knowledge of the subject, in the sake of a balanced discussion then? I suggest you pick up an English copy of the Quran or download one online. You’ll be surprised just how violent the book is right up until the end. It puts Game of Thrones to shame.
@Jason Culligan: I leave it to those who wish to confirm their hate and prejudice to read these books so as to confirm their hate and prejudice.
I take people as I find them.
@Jason Culligan: have you read Quran?
@matheus: To answer your question, yes I have. It’s a difficult read, much like the Bible given the nature of the translations, but it’s worthwhile reading nonetheless.
@Jason Culligan: just to clarify, if you read Quran, you should ask some one to help you what its meaning are. Do not judge Quran just by reading it. Its a holly book so you need help to understand its context.
@matheus: Quran (3:56) - ”As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
I don’t need any help in interpreting that but thanks for the offer.
@Jason Culligan: So, you know it well enough to pull random quotes from it by memory? Is that after one read or what?
@Jason Culligan:
And the bible is full of sunshine and rainbows is it? Both texts contain violent language and both texts have caused untold bloodshed. It is a weak argument you present if you only denigrate one without a word of criticism for the other.
@Peedur Dante: Show me one violent quote from the Bible that doesn’t come from the Old Testament Peedur. I can give plenty of violent quotes from latter stages of the Quran. As I’m sure you are aware, both religions place what happens in the latter part of their respective texts above what happens in the earlier sections if a conflict over belief arises.
@matheus:
Who should he ask to interpret the meaning of the Quran, a moderate imam or an extremist imam?
@Jason Culligan:
And because a religious text contains violent language you then assume disciples of that text to be violent?
“Our brains are on fire with the feeling to kill
And it will not go away until our dreams are fulfilled”
That’s a quote from a Metallica song, should we therefore ban Metallica fans from entering our country.
@Peedur Dante:
Some of them clearly are.
@Avina Laaf:
Jason seems to be implying that they all are, or have the propensity to be so because of the violence in the texts. Apparently charles manson blamed the Beatles for committing his crimes. Should we now fear all Beatles fans?
@Peedur Dante:
“And because a religious text contains violent language you then assume disciples of that text to be violent?”
Not automatically, no, however the combination of a violent religious text and a history of violence towards themselves and other religions is difficult to ignore.
@Jason Culligan:
Christianity has both violent texts and a history of violence.
Where is your condemnation?
@Peedur Dante:
“Christianity has both violent texts”
Where?
If you’re referring to the Old Testament, you’ll find that the Old Testament is only present in the Bible as a reference to the Judaic beliefs that Jesus was attempting to reform. It’s commonly accepted in both Islam and Christianity that, should a conflict occur in the holy scriptures, the latter teachings outweigh the former. Therefore the violent Old Testament is overwritten by the advocacy of peace and tolerance in the New Testament.
A fine example is the Crusades. Not one Pope who called for a Crusade could actually cite any lines within the bible that justified them. Compare that to Jihad where there are dozens of references to and calls for it in the Quran from cover to cover.
@Jason Culligan:
So you’re saying Christianity has not been responsible for violence in the past?
US is a scary place
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