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@Sean: applying your logic, how do explain previous fluctuations in years without Covid? I ask out of curiosity. I admire your persistence in this matter.
@Thomas O’ Donnell: 200 to 500 die from flu each year and most are elderly, so even take average 350 die a year then these people died with cv19 instead of wirh the flu.
How can they tell the numbers as the HSE IT system is down and from looking at the Vaccination the majority of Irish people are vaccinated against covid-19 so where are the case then was coming out of that’s the question!!
@Paul Scully: they are not. NPHET not been honest with the numbers. Remember these are same people who said Irish people would not know how to wear a face covering
@Sean: Given the lack of data over the last month on Covid deaths I’d say it’s probable we’ve reached the 5000 mark. So even if we followed your logic, that’s well over 4500 additional deaths.
@GrumpyAulFella: very well. Tried to book a holiday there but flight were a bit pricey. Settled for Italy, 7.99 each way. Before the July 19th demand ;)
@JedBartlett: Seems like your bestie Anna is making fun of people in ICU, you seem to never care about anyone in ICU, but you and your besties keep the jokes coming aye.
@JedBartlett: Imagine using an article with people in ICU as a way to tell everyone I’m going on holiday and Jed, on his high horse calls out Grumpy, I guess people in ICU don’t matter to Jed. But you go on Jed pretend to be offended.
@lelookcoco: Maybe Paul Scully has some winning Lotto numbers to share as well? If all the other winners aren’t real either, he could be a millionaire by next week.
Everyone should be questioning why they’re only giving us case numbers and not saying how many registered and were vaccinated as they do in other countries
@Aleks Ander: They are releasing those figures as well. It is all available if you look for it. Now they even announce how many have been declared covid free after having it. Our overall figure is dropping daily now.
@Aleks Ander: in other countries where the public health care system wasn’t taken down by greedy hackers, sure. At least we have a rollout going and we’re doing a lot better than 90% of the world getting jabs to people.
What does it matter? The more who get it will then be Immune from it. It’s practically harmless to under 35’s. The others will have been vaccinated. So long as hospital numbers remain low and I don’t see why the won’t, then things are looking very positive.
@D. Memery: but it’s not like we can do much more about it. We were in lockdown for 5 solid months. We can’t wave a magic wand and it goes away. Life must go on.
@Joe: do u not think it ofd that the experts can’t say how many deaths were due to cv19 alone ? As i said many times my uncle was dying before he got cv19. But yet cv19 was put on his death cert along with the actual cause of his death.
@Sean: as I said in a previous comment to you maybe 1000 people tested positive that day and following on from those 1000 – 100 may have ended in hospital and 10 in ICU and 2 died… so the outcome from the 1000 tests were 998 recovered and 2 died and that is why such deaths are included in the covid-19 death surveillance reports.
Ironically everyone is happy when it is reported that 998 of the 1000 cases (in this example) recovered but some are not happy when the two that do not recover from the infection are included with the deaths with covid-19. It was never ever a case of all the people dying direct from covid-19 – disease surveillance does not work this way -1/2 of lung cancer patients that die with lung cancer die from other causes, likewise no one has actually died from the HIV virus or aids but rather from the illnesses that aids allows to develop, so do we count these are lung cancer and hiv deaths?
One could go one, and I am not disputing the validity of your argument, but you and many others are, I think, misunderstanding the difference between illness detection outcome (which can only be death or recovery) and underlying and contributory cause of death.
Death records are public documents and at the end of all this someone can go to the register of deaths and, maybe under FOI, request the number of deaths caused directly from covid-19 and the number where covid-19 was a contributing factor and the ones where the death was unrelated to covid but that the person just happened to have tested positive and not recovered before they passed away.
Of course the system for allowing three months to register a death does need to be reviewed .. it is my opinion that a death should be notified before burial, usually by the undertaker, with a provisional cause and then this be updated as more information becomes available. It does seem strange to me that you could be in the grave for three months before the state knows you are dead!
@Joe: Why take the chance? The CSO confirmed recently that:
“More men have been confirmed dead from COVID -19 than women (670 deaths compared to 617) even though more women were diagnosed as a confirmed case than men (13,694 women compared to 10,170 men).”
@Wessss: Tony will wake you up when there’s zzzzzzero in hospital. Then he’ll whisper, “the cases, what about the cases?”. And you’ll reply, “you need a holiday Tony, cases are at the airport, enjoy your (well deserved) holiday”.
What does it matter, the more who get it will then be Immune from it. The others will have been vaccinated. So long as hospital numbers remain low and I don’t see why the won’t, then things are looking very positive.
And most of those cases are in the age group of 20-25 year-olds who won’t be getting a look in at a vaccine for months. Scary to think that county Louth is several months behind it’s neighbouring county who are vaccinating 18+ year olds. They can blame supply but the government chose not to seek other vaccines that were being used in other countries. And why not let people choose if they want to have Astra or Jaansen if they don’t want to wait? That would make far too much sense
@David Lee: We have some of the highest numbers in the EU. the county nest to Louth is in the UK and they did not do the tests on the vaccines as we did. They also kept all the supply manufactured there as well as accepting shipments from the EU. Even with all of that they are having another wave now, with figures multiplying daily. If we had of been supplied as agreed we would be much farther ahead of where we are now.
We are doing a lot better than the UK & NI.
@Gary Kearney: Another wave because everything has ‘re opened indoors for weeks now, inevitable, and its already begining to peak, Wait and see our wave when indoor dining reopens and were still trying to vaccinate 40 year olds.
@Victoria Victoria: When they do it won’t be an average it be weeks of a backup and why this made no sense at all. A phone call each day by the hospital administrator to NPHET would have worked
@MrMurmur: ok, from the top. Pfizer is a 2-jab vaccine. In order to make sure there are second doses for all who need them, they can’t just fire out all the doses they have; some need to be kept in reserve to ensure all second doses can be given, allowing for predicted supply.
The alternative is the UK approach of use it all now and*hope* there’s more there when we need it.
@Pseud O’Nym: yes got you, however 20% reserve is way too much, considering also Pfizer deliveries consistency (200k doses/week)
5/10% reserve is the magic number EU countries are looking at apparently
@JusticeForJoe: they should not keep half million doses in the fridges.
Ok to keep a reserve but those are too many.
They could easily use 200k of those, so more people will get their jab.
And still having some reserve in case of delays
I would be interested to know how many here truly believe that the Covid pandemic is over here in Ireland bar the shouting – that because of the vaccination schedule we have it beaten , will not need another lockdown and the future looks to be a cloudless blue.
Can anybody tell me how we are going to be issued with the Covid passport or how and when we can apply for it. How long after 19th of July do we have to wait. I would like some clarity on this.Thanks in advance.
@Marie Barrett: I did hear that we’ll probably be able to download it from gov.ie from the 19th. Assuming that applies to people who have had both jabs in Ireland – the most straightforward situation. I read on the eu site that we’re technically ready to launch it. Maybe we key in a reference number from our appointment texts?
The cyber attack was weeks ago. Plenty of time to get a system in place to report the number of deaths. You would wonder why people get suspicious when you see nonsense like this.
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