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LAST UPDATE | 17 May 2022
TAOISEACH MICHEÁL MARTIN has said that “a lot of the arguments” against going ahead with the National Maternity Hospital (NMH) plan “didn’t hold up” over the past two weeks.
Cabinet today signed off on the legal framework for the planned move of the NMH to the Elm Park site alongside St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin.
The decision paves the way for the new hospital to be built, with Minister of Health Stephen Donnelly saying today that construction could take “four and a half years” once the tender had been completed.
Donnelly said that previous tender processes have taken up to two years but that the government was “looking at ways to shorten this”.
The decision to approve the NMH’s move to St Vincent’s Hospital was set to be approved a fortnight ago but this was delayed to allow for greater scrutiny of the plans.
The government said this pause provided the opportunity for opponents to voice their concerns and several Health Committee hearings were held over the past week.
Speaking today, Donnelly claimed that the concerns that were raised have been “comprehensively addressed” by both medics in the NMH and legal experts.
The Health Minister said today that the same legal framework for the hospital that was presented to Cabinet a fortnight ago has now been agreed but that there are now three additions.
He said among these “significant” changes was a commitment that when the new NMH is built there would be a report published annually for the first five years of its operation.
Donnelly said that this report would “detail the services provided”, adding that the hospital would be “a state of the art secular, voluntary public hospital”.
There had been concerns raised by some opponents about language used in the legal documents that govern the new hospital, with the phrase “clinically appropriate” labelled as “a major red flag” by former NMH master Dr Peter Boylan.
Chair of the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group James Menton said yesterday that in his estimation it would be possible to remove or define the term “clinically appropriate” in the framework of the new NMH before the plan goes to Cabinet.
Following today’s Cabinet approval, however, Donnelly said that the term would not be specifically defined in the framework.
Instead, he said that Cabinet agreed that the term “allows all legally permissible services in maternity, gynecology, obstetrics, neonatology and gender recognition”.
Donnelly added that the term was requested by the HSE who had sought to ensure that the hospital would be used for maternity services only and not for other urgent services like cardiology and neurology.
“Part of the reason ‘clinically appropriate’ is in there is to make sure that other services can’t simply, you know, force their way in and start taking up all of these resources. So there is a very good reason why it’s there,” he said.
Questions were asked around could it in some way be used as a backdoor to withhold any services and the absolutely, clear, categoric answer to that is no it can’t.
He said the phrase is used by health professionals like clinicians, doctors, nurses and physiotherapists “all over the system, all the time”.
It didn’t say ‘ethically appropriate’ or ‘morally appropriate’ or anything like that, it’s clinically appropriate, timely, high quality care, but critically, for a maternity hospital. So really it’s there to protect those services in the future for women.
Ownership
The relocation of the NMH to a site on the grounds of St Vincent’s Hospital in Dublin has proved highly controversial as, until recently, the site was owned by the Religious Sisters of Charity.
Following the increasing opposition to the plans five years ago, the Sisters of Charity announced an end to their involvement with the SVHG in 2017 and said they would therefore not be involved in the ownership or management of the new NMH.
The transfer of their shareholding of the SVHG has been beset with delays, however, but was finally completed last month.
Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said the 299-year lease for the State is “effective ownership” but opponents of the current plan have said that the State should have full ownership of the site.
During Leaders’ Questions today, Taoiseach Micheál Martin repeated his view that the 299-year leasehold equated to ownership, saying that this assertion had been “well tested over the last two weeks”.
Responding to Social Democrats’ co-leader Róisín Shortall, Martin said:
The purpose of the last two weeks was to have a debate and to tease things out and have full transparency in relation to the publication of the documents. And if you don’t mind me saying , I think a lot of the arguments against going ahead with the hospital didn’t hold up actually under the full scrutiny. That’s my own personal view of the situation.
Shortall disagreed with Martin’s view, however, describing the last two weeks as “a charade and a sham”.
She said the idea of providing a legal definition of “clinically appropriate” has been cast aside in favour of “the word of the Cabinet”:
A binding legal definition is not required we’re told. What’s the message then to the women of Ireland? Is it calm down? You don’t need legal guarantees, the word of the Cabinet will suffice.
‘Milestone’
In a statement confirming Cabinet’s decision, Donnelly described it as “an important milestone as we work to improve maternity services for the women and children of Ireland”.
“The new National Maternity Hospital is a critical piece of health infrastructure that will ensure women and infants are cared for in a state-of-the-art hospital that will help our clinicians deliver improved outcomes,” he said.
The Minister said that the legal framework addresses both the ownership and governance of the new hospital and will:
Donnelly added: “There were concerns that access to essential healthcare services could potentially be restricted due to the religious beliefs or ethical code of the hospitals concerned. I am absolutely satisfied that this legal framework ensures this will not be the case and that all lawfully permissible services will be provided in the new NMH, as they are in the current NMH.”
Meanwhile, the CEO of the HSE, Paul Reid, said that delivering the new NMH “is a hugely important development in our efforts to improve maternity and gynaecology services in Ireland”.
The current Master of the National Maternity Hospital Shane Higgins said the Cabinet decision was: “A welcome relief to the doctors, nurses and midwives at the NMH who have worked to ensure that this vital national healthcare project proceeds.”
“I want to again reassure those who have doubts or concerns that the NMH currently has no constraints on the procedures it offers patients, and this will continue when the hospital moves,” he said.
Controversy
Speaking to reporters on his way into Cabinet this morning, the Health Minister said “we can’t keep debating” the new NMH.
“Ultimately, there will always be people with legitimately held views as to things that should be different, but what’s important is the concerns that have been raised have been comprehensively addressed,” Donnelly said.
I think people, very rightly, for the reasons of Ireland’s history, have said there can be no religious influence. That’s guaranteed. People want a public hospital, it is a public hospital. People want the state to own the building and own the land, we own the state and we own the land in leasehold ownership for the next 300 years.
“It is a very, very strong and positive project, and ultimately, we can’t keep debating these things and discussing these things for more years. We have to get on we have to build a hospital,” he added.
Protest
Hundreds of protesters gathered outside Leinster House on Saturday to call on the government to ensure the site of the new NMH is fully publicly owned.
Green Party deputy leader Catherine Martin is understood to have raised concerns around the Cabinet table two weeks ago, but has now said she is giving her full support to the plans to relocate the hospital to the Elm Park site.
Green Party leader Eamon Ryan said this morning:
“I think there’s been a lot of clarification in the last two weeks and I think that’s a good thing, around that issue: what is ‘clinically appropriate’? It’s been clear at all times that this was led by medics, often the same medics, female medics who led out in the Repeal Campaign, saying this is the best approach.”
“So I, I’m sure like a lot of other people over the last two weeks, listened to them and I think they’re confident [clinically appropriate] allows them the full freedom to do every procedure within the law.”
Motion
In the Dáil today, Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald said that the government “made no serious, meaningful effort” to bring NMH land into State ownership.
“It’s obvious that the best way to safeguard this investment and to allay public concern is for government to secure the transfer of the land into state ownership,” she said.
What’s at issue here is the failure of your government to secure the land in public ownership.
Sinn Féin is to bring forward a motion in the Dáil today calling for public ownership of both the site and building of new NMH.
It is understood that the government will not oppose the motion when the non-binding vote is held in the Dáil tomorrow. Sinn Féin’s David Cullinane TD said this decision by the government was “a cynical move to avoid TDs having to stand on their record”.
Yesterday, the St Vincent’s Healthcare Group told TDs and Senators that maintaining ownership of the land on which the new maternity hospital is planned to be built is “essential for best possible care”.
- With reporting by Christina Finn and Jane Moore
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Alan Shatter still causing trouble……he hasn’t gone away you know!
@ Brian Ward. .. it seems that a lot of people around today that should have “gone away” but are still lurking around in the (not so) long grass!!!
Lots of people saying that about other, eh organisations, ya we will call them that
Alan Shatter said it himself – He is ‘not going anywhere’. He is still pulling strings behind the scenes.
Enda better watch his back!
Zoe being a Fine Gael politician is a bit like but at the same time the opposite of the whole Karma thing. Under the idea of Karma a person based on the manner in which they lived their lives can be reincarated into something quite beautiful, powerful etc or something bad and insignificant.
With Fine Gael all the things they do good or bad come back to them in this life…. The one’s that are the slightest bit ethical get pummeled by their own party, asked to leave and become independents and have to exist without expenses and lose the power that they had as part of the FG Party. The one’s that do wrong more often than not end up in cushy semi state jobs where they fiddle figures on boards of Charities but gain huge respect, money and expense for their bad behavior…
But then again what would I know. I only just bought into the promise of “No more jobs for the Boys” on the Late Late Show…..
This is the greatest load of nonsense issue.. Like a bunch of kids.
Sinn Fein are an integral part of the orderly operation of government under house protocol and rules in 3 different jurisdictions.
Parliamentarians of the year.
It seems out of one side of Enda’s and Frances’s mouth comes cries of Judicial reform – but out of the other we get this debate collapsed and we see the same management structure in place with the same personnel in the Gardaí …
We also have reports of the Department of Justice being a somewhat “secretive” organisation – Again same personnel .
Did Enda get Cabinet Approval to sack Callinan – if he didn’t why is Callinan staying quiet ? and did Fianna Fail play along with the Gardaí by collapsing the debate through walkout last week ?
These are all questions and observations that place huge question mark over the ability of the current Dail members to do the job for which salaries they receive and expenses they claim and sign for!
It seems time for another whistleblower because the more the truth is stifled the more it forces its way through somewhere else !
In Ireland one has to remember that the Thin Blue Line is now fluorescent Yellow ..
All that aside, looking at the house proceedings, now that they’ve put a muzzle on Seanie, Enda’s obviously rattled in there!
Exactly johngahan
@johngahan your avatar says a thousand words. Balaclava an sf are synomonous.
let us pray
This is so cool.
Imagine for a moment a government with SF either in “power” or sharing it…
Who’s going to run Justice?
Now, can anyone see that happening?
Geery Buttimer is putting his foot in it all over the place on VB as I sit here .
He is after pointing out that Alan Shatter has legal rights as a citizen – David Hall case Mr. Buttimer didn’t hear you screaming blue murder on David Hall and his citizenship !
He has also admitted that he doesn’t have a legal mind – what in the name of God is doing as a legislator in this State if that is the case ?
Last week, Mick Wallace asked kenny in the Dail during debate time if he had received the letter in question, and kenny shook his head to indicate he had not. He then admitted the following day during leaders questions that the opposite was true.
Barrett has performed his duties as ceann comhairle abysmally, but that doesn’t mean he can be endas personal mudflap in this matter either. Debate has been deliberately stifled, and not for the first time.
So he didn’t actually say whether he had received the letter?
He shook his head to indicate no he had not.
Well if you asked me yesterday did I get the phone bill I would have said no, but if you asked me today I might nod my head as it arrived in the post this morning.
Dear oh dear, your responses stink of desperation worse than a teenage Disco….
Yep except its not as if enda has not got form being caught out. Shredded documents come to mind.
Enda doesn’t tell lies,it’s always ‘only a turn of phrase’.
post does arrive daily you know…
So no news there Were Jammin, what do you expect from these lying corrupt moran’s. Censorship and control is high on Fine Gaels agenda. But there are so many government apologists, who for some reason feel they have to defend the indefensible and it is very frustrating for those who can see the reality, but we have to keep plugging, even though their arguments are either disingenuous or ill informed
Paul, it’s the same with every govt story on the journal. They literally carpet bomb a comments section with Jorry this, Jean McConville that. It’s pathetic how sad these individuals’ lives seem to be that all they do all day is sit and wait on the next story and hijack the comments section.
Can we not have an independent sitting in the chair?
I just think it’s a conflict of interest that FG/ LAB have a majority already and then a potential mouthpiece to stifle debate.
*Imagines Healy Rae in the chair* (Shudders)
I say that as a Kerryman.
I agree but you wouldn’t just put anyone in the chair. There could be a ballot across the Dail, Senate and later checked by the President to ensure that the person acting as Chair has no conflicts of interest against or for the government.
Of course. It was just an extreme example, is all.
which independents the FF backed ones or the FG backed independents
Batman I am sure you are right because the house is out of control and we were along with many many many many many many other promises were promised reform of the way democracy works in this country.
Surely having a vested interest for any of the parties in the Dáil is a bad idea?
Most independents can’t even get talking time, yet they often have the best most independent views to add to debates and often get silenced because of SF, FF, LAB, FG etc etc antics. Another thing is the funding that TDs lose when they leave a party. The party keeps the expenses and the TD loses their power effectively to add to the debates.
Not all for independents by the way. But democracy is only as good as the least powerful of the sum of it’s parts and independents can’t by and large get a look in because of the monopoly of established parties.
When John McGuinness said that Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are all but one – does that mean that he knew that Enda was never going to burn the Bondholders and he and his Party were just playing along ?
Is the avoidance of these questions the “stability” the T.D.s are screaming about ?
Did any politician member of their family get a good deal or write-off in NAMA ?
These are questions for a new Government – It will be along now soon enough – don’t worry !
Wouldn’t empty barracks make great and ready prisons for any white-collar criminals ?
Independents are not incapable of bias, you know.
No, but at least they’re not directly affiliated with the majority side and so exists some hope for impartiality.
There’s a lovelly empty barracks in Kildare town!
Enda last week one day to Mick Wallace shook his head to indicate no that he received a letter and hey presto next day admitted he had. Last week we had Michelle mulheirn lie about personal calls to Kenya and hey presto she then paid back money for calls she claimed she never made. Yesterday we had Lorraine Higgins labour senator lie on national radio and had not got a clue what she was on about and hey presto she was caught lying . last night a fg TD lied on air about iw as well and had to be put right by other panelists and this was only in week by a government running this country. Shameful it is.
The blame game is too well paid. I would be happier if even one Irish politician had enough moral fibre in their being, to stand up for the people of Ireland that have been saddled with the Debts of International Banksters and their Irish Bondholders. Should we employ some Greek Politicians to represent us?
Outsource our TD’s to Greece….They won’t have to worry we’ll put a task force in place to help them!
and in other news. Greece stock market surging 7% today nearly wiping out all the losses since the election. banking shares up 8% and 3 year bonds down from 18% to 16% . Troika being ousted and their finance minster on a tour of Europe negotiating directly with governments on a similar debt restructuring as what Germany had post war. Merkel is not happy and the irish media seem to have a blackout on the topic.
Anyone in the Journal want to do some real work and report on things that might actually affect us.
It’s incredibly bad news for Kenny and Co if the Greeks get a deal.
Its well on the table for renegotiation
“Donald Kohn, a member of the Bank of England’s Financial Policy Committee, has forecast that a deal over Greece’s debt will be hammered out.
Kohn told MPs on parliament’s Treasury committee this morning that the two sides are inching closer:
“My expectation is that Greece and the euro zone members and the IMF will work together for an agreement,”
“We have heard some language in the last day or two that suggests a little bit of progress, a little bit of give.””
And they are having a grrrrrrrreat day tony. ;-) stock market now up 10%
Yaroufakis to meet Draghi and Schäuble
Newsflash from Italy — Greece’s finance minister has announced that he will see the president of the European Central Bank, Mario Draghi, on Wednesday.
And then German finance minister Wolfgang Schäuble on Thursday.
Angela on the ropes
Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, has predicted that the Greek negotiations will last for months.
Speaking at a news conference in Berlin, she also declined to comment on the new debt swap proposal:
“It is clear that the Greek government is still working on its position – that is more than understandable if you look at how few days this government has been in office.
“We are waiting for proposals and then we will enter talks … I don’t want to comment individually on all the details that are being disseminated.”
Did not Kenny decline the suggestion of a debt conference? What a bloody idiot.
Well said Denis !
How many more must fall on their swords to protect this clusterf**k of a Taoiseach
Interesting to see how the motion of no confidence in Barrett goes. If one actually goes ahead.
Well, if one goes ahead he will have to resign regardless of the outcome, as the CC has to have the trust of everyone in the Dail
FF blowing smoke, If they back down on the no confidence vote it shows Michael Martin has no real substance.
Shatter, Reilly, Barrett, Kelly ( Labours worst joke ever), iPhone Joan, Mulherin, Useless Useless Enda Kenny, Lorainne Higgins (embarrassing listening to her yesterday morning) , Andrew Doyle (did ye hear him last night !!!), Heather Humphreys, Leo Varadkar, not forgetting the fat Rabbit and Gilmore, and the list goes on. We are governed by selfish idiot morons !
Fianna Fáil were awful, terrible, even wicked …. but these Fine Gael/ Labour incompetents are worse !
Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and Labour need to go ! There isn’t much else out there but these self serving clowns aren’t fit for purpose and they have proved it time and time again. How many chances do we give them !!!
Mister kenny seems to be the puppeteer behind mister barratt .
And is this comment just distracting from Mary Lou being unable to discuss financial matters yesterday?
They are all as bad as each other, all of them, just a game to them.
You mean where she pointed out twice to the interviewer that water is already paid for through our general taxation , and the interviewer acted like she didn’t answer and kept asking the same question?
WereJammin – umm, no, I mean the interview where she stumbled through and did not know what to say when her rhetorical platitudes were rejected.
I think they’re entirely separate issues.
Yes they are seperate issues entirely.
Perhaps Jorrys mysterious 8 cents could plug the gap for mary looper?
and they continue to deny that they are economically illiterate… the laugh at SF/IRAs expense is like a gift that keeps on giving
Bit like Enda’s claim about the average industrial wage I guess Paul?
Another adolescent play on the northern accent. Completely voids any attempt at viable comment that mr gillhouley might be trying to make. Whatever it may be???
Mr. Gillhouley?!? He can’t even spell the name. This is just one of a number of aliases used by the same pathetic troll, M Bowe. Pay no attention at all.
Mary Lou being unable to discuss financial matters yesterday – So? She didn’t get us into this mess, she didn’t compound it and she doesn’t serve other countries interests above her own. Nothing she said was wrong, the agruments are still relevant and the issue still very much alive and it will still bring this government down, no matter how badly she performed in an interview.
Jamming , yes water has been paid through general taxation and now it’s a mess that’s why we need a utility . Yes the government made a balls of setting it up but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a necessity
I absolutely agree with Gerry Adams that it’s wrong to turn our national parliament into a circus.
In the heat of the moment, an old Blue Shirt bully was forced to eat his words. However, the utter lack of remorse in his words indicate that the bullyboy and his agenda of anti-democratic protection of the FG/Lab profit before people Government will continue.
remorse for what exactly? nothing has changed the shiners still must learn manners
A man??? No cretin, who makes juvenile play on Gerry Adams accent and refers to Mary Lou in a childish play on her name has tha audacity to speak of putting manners in others. Oh the arrogance of FG/lab trolls.
Barrett is a blue shirt bully he should be booted from the Dail in the interests of democracy. Has the whiff of “old style politics”
According to Enda he’s to blame for a lot more…
the mcconvilles certainly thinks so as does the statements of those involved in the murder. don’t worry they are arresting 93 year old nazis to this very day, there is still plenty of time to round up and cage these evil terrorists
And Gerry would be the king of deflecting things.
Do you have obsession with jerry and sinn fein . seems that’s all you can say. Bit sad really .
That’s for mrgillhouley . the obsession.
Mrgill did you miss the article in which some of that family admitted the only reason they were going after adams and sinn fein was because they thought theyd have money?
Barrett needs to stop being a drama queen.
The best referee is the one you don’t notice on the field.
Ha ha mrgillhouley Mary Lou made a fool of herself. Have you no comment on Lorraine Higgins making an even bigger fool of herself and labour or the fg TD last night making a fool of himself and fg on TV . do these not concern you as these two are actually with government parties that are running the country.
she did make a tit of herself alright, but mary lou has form on that score. in all honest cold anyone make a bigger fool of themselves than mary looper? i doubt its possible
Well you’re giving it one hell of a go yourself Gillhouley/real gael.
Please be aware that ‘were jammin’ is a spokesperson for SF/IRA…
Will, welcome to 2015. Some outdated bigotted attitudes may need adjustment
Yes, Sean – jammin just cannot understand different views to his/their own.
So what?is what Adams says untrue?
“SF/IRA” Jesus there’s a blast from the past! It’s been about 24 years since the most ardent DUP loyalists used that phrase. Have you just woken up from a coma Will? If you have let me be the first to welcome you to 2015. Things have changed a bit since you went to sleep.
So you haven’t seen realgael posting on this site,
If you ever decide to join us in the 21st century you will find that things have moved on and antiquated dinosaurs have been left behind.
We know well that is the official party line but unlike the party a lot of people have and will continue to move onwards and forward.
Things haven’t changed to the extent that the recent past no longer exists and I think that’s a very disingenuous comment. Some of us lived in that world of daily bombings, killings and punishment beatings on our doorsteps, how dare you state ‘things have changed a bit’ as if it didn’t happen in such an arrogant fashion. Sinn fein’s past doesn’t automatically get deleted just because they jump on board with water protests. Absolutely, there are a bunch of inept, panicking jokers in the political system in ireland at the moment, they don’t have my support either, but I’d prefer them to the likes of Sinn Fein. We all know what they are. It seems that some people have been bought over by the constant objections from sinn fein to everything. Easy to sit on the sidelines and complain. They are totally unproven in leadership and hopefully that’s the way it will stay.
Will, be aware that Sam Bartlett is also a spokesman for Sinn Fein Is Rebuplican Alone, as the giver uppers like to be called nowadays.
It’s alright for Shinners to say things have moved on and that’s all in the past but how would they react if FF said something similar about the banking crisis?
Yes. Everything that comes from his lips is untrue.
Well typed, Joey!
Antiquated dinosaurs … Like the thirty year leader of the only true republicans?
Thomas even a stopped clock is correct twice in 24 hours.
it is not news that spamin is a shinnerbot, he is one of the resident shinerbot troll, comes out with absolute gems o a daily basis. he is treated like the village idiot around here, more pity than ridicule.
Joey when you say ” how dare you state ‘things have changed a bit’ as if it didn’t happen in such an arrogant fashion” can you tell me how I said that things didn’t happen in the past? Your moral pontification and preaching seems to forget that the people who used to use the phrase “SF’IRA” are now sitting in government with those very people! Those people have moved on, republicans have moved on but you, will, reagael and all the other multiple account holders and people who hide behind alias’s seem to want to be stuck in the past.
I and the rest of the population are well aware of history as to a large extent we have lived through it so we don’t need a lecture from the likes of you. What we do need is to live for today and plan for tommorrow because time move forward for most of us. If you want to hold onto the bitterness of the past that that is your choice but I and most other people will just leave you behind. We won’t forget what has happened but we will not let it hold us back either.
I think realgael and mrgillhouley might be related.
Well,well,well,if it isn’t our old friend inktoner back again in a new coat..
Please be aware that Will (I am afraid to provide my real name) Derbylight is a spokesperson for the ancient order of the drivel society. Please provide an argument as to why ‘Were Jammin’ is a spokesperson for SF/IRA. What about spokespeople representing Labour/Democratic left/Official IRA or Fine (Blue Shirts/Nazi/Fascist) Gael?
@littleone… inbreeding could be one explanation
” giver uppers”??? Would you care to have a proper debate on and alternative to the GRA and current peace deal?
Isn’t it so amusing how
Loyalist/Unionist/Free State/FG Supporters , on this Journal.ie page , are forever changing their Twitter Names , yet it’s the same old drivel pours perpetually from their PC’s ?
The Gerryphobia virus , is rampant amongst these same small minded bunch of ‘head in the past’ merchants !
They are just not taking their meds.!
MrGillouley = Realgael !
The poor sad little free state/fg troll/s have done more to recruit people for SF than SF have themselves. Pathetic little small minded free state/fgs.
So Shatter the most undemocratic of parliamentarian of them all, overrules parliament. Imagine if he still had the commissioner on side. In the shadows Eoin O’Duffy smiles!
Barrett is a blue shirt bully boy.
Crawler Barrett back in his hole…. nasty blue shirt bullyboy……unfit for his post…..RETIRE
All the politicians that have been in the dail this last 30/40 years should be hung in public for overseeing some of the worst cases of abuse imaginable..and add corruption to that..can u blame gerry adams for that ?? NO i thought not
It wasn’t very long ago Adams was deflecting from abusers.
who were brought into the arena by enda and co as they jumped on the bandwagon. political stunt or wha?
And Useless Enda Kenn was asleep on the back benches as part of his pathetic forty year stint in the Dáil when the Catholic Church was abusing kids but that’s different eh ….
Yeah, that’s right, I am not an Enda fan, I think he and Adams and Martin sat back and allowed the MISTAKES take put this country into the place it is today..
It is time for new politics and more accountability
John Gorman, has Kenny met Louise O Keefe yet?? But wait Ms.O Keefe’s abuse wasnt “republician” abuse, so there’s no political milege in that. Kenny, a pathetic hypocrite.
John Gorman,Adams has only been a TD since 2011 so tell me how could he be responsible for mistakes that put this country into the place it is today?
All he can and do is try to clean up FF’s mess and stop FG’s & Lab’s Sheriff of Nottingham school of taxation.
Of course, Joan is too stupid to realise what this means.
Adams should be sent back to his own country and should be dealt with by the justice system there.
brits out…. i guess jorry should be grabbing his coat so
Seeing as Adams is an Irish citizen with an Irish passport how are you going to deport him from Ireland to Ireland?????
Can’t wait for an answer to that one.
One way ticket so for jorry
If Racism is the domain of the ignorant, where does this form of “racism” against persons of the same nationality?????
Tap Solny – Blueshirt Gerryphobia virus breaking out – Take your Meds !
Love – Gerry
And Gerry was never part of the IRA
and didnt facilitate paedos
mi5 knew about them as well and we know that Irish Gardaí were in contact with them – so mi5 have protected paedos on this island as well !
Should our Gardaí now reveal these agents for the safety of our children – whatever about doubting the I.RA. as a threat to the State – foreign agents most certainly are ! They should be removed not colluded with !
Shinnerbots Assemble!!! Captain Ireland, Eire Man, Blonde Widow,….GO GO GO!
Make with the motion of no confidence already, how much has to happen before they actually take an official stance instead of whining about him to the media? A biased ceann comhairle is a very serious national matter which concerns us all, if that is what they truly believe then they must lay down the motion. If it’s not then it’s just pathetic political gesturing.
Ah, poor oul’ Pat Rabbitte. The job is still unavailable so, what a shame.
The opposition parties are gathering a head of critical steam. Time to do a Mary loo and stage a sit in. What’s good for the goose etc…
Oh pipe down Gerry, you silly child.
more like a deluded ould fella ranting and raving
It would be wrong for Fianna Fail or Sinn Fein to table a motion of no-confidence in the Ceann Comhairle just to claim a scalp. Deputy Sean Barrett is a good and honourable man who deserves to be treated better than this. On balance, he has been a very fair Ceann Comhairle who understands the constitutional importance of his role admirably.
As members of the Dail go, Sean Barrett is one of the good ‘uns. He should be preserved, not punished for the sake of a scalp.
Wipe your mouth because you’re talking S**te!!!
if SF learned how to behave then there would be no problem. they really have to learn about democracy as well as economics and a host of other important matters before anyone will view them as anything but idiots
Come down from your high horse and talk some sense, whenever you’re ready, Gillhouley.
it all basically has to do with manners. anyways we are in no hurry SF will wallow as a nothing opposition for the decades to come so they have plenty of time to learn some manners
Mrgillhouley is real Gael. Though why I’m pointing out the glaringly obvious I don’t know! You need to get a life Gilltrolley.
TR909 is Elvis… see i can do that too
His not very good at this is he. Changing names but not tact is clear giveaway.
So a week after this started we now hear that Kenny has a letter from Shatter and he will produce all correspondence and also asks for Dail record to be changed.Barrett recindes his statement accusing opposition of undermining him this is after he goes on the airwaves to explain his decison.Now today Kenny tells the dail and the public that Shatter cannot stop the dail discussing this matter.So one has to wonder why Kenny allowed this to end up as a confidence motion in Barrett and why he continues to protect shatter.What does shatter have on Kenny that he plays blink first and risks barrett having to resign as cc…So we will have Burton telling media she has full confidence in Kenny yet he allowed the original vote take place after opposition walk out of Dail.This guy is making a mockery of the Dail and the dictatorship he uses to rule his party is been used in the dail to protect his buddies.It boils down to not if but when will Shatter do a Sean Doherty and takes Kenny down…Oh and not a mention on Dinnys newspaper website about this
Who cares
just when you thought adams couldn’t get any more stupid he comes out with this gem.
Looks like you want a shit at the title yourself troll.
*shot at the title! Lol. Looks like I want a shot too :)
epic shinnerbot fail
Still trolling little boy? Get a life.
Mary lou made a complete fool of herself yet again, what is it with sinners as basic addition? imagine herself and jorry are supposedly the brains, jesus wept
Are you that fellow that rang up Enda a few weeks ago and thanked him for the extra fiver in his wages?
I hear baron adams is getting calls as to whether he found his 8 cents
dame Enda had to admit that was a lie. Oh dear more lies form Europe’s performing poodle.
The headline changes on the Journal, but everything else remains the same. The truth is quite simply unpalatable in Ireland. I recommend that the electorate Vote for Greek politicians next time they want a change of government.
Crikey…the opposition are acting up again. How come they throw a tantrum every day a major jobs announcement or success comes to light?
Did you ever see so many goats reversing? Michael Martin hang your hat up!!!! It’s a shame to hear you bleat so much. Never again will I listen to one word from you. As for the rest of the no confidence brigade shame on ye
And I thought it was only that crowd in the Dail that fought like childen, but reading the comments here, apparently not so
Theres no point engaging with these fg trolls. Never heard so much b.s. in all my life. They just keep spouting the same old garbage time after time. Its old and quite boring.
agreed, thats why i don’t engage with any trolls
There is no such thing as an unbiased ceann comhairle even independants elected to the position have it made clear to them by their proposers ie the incoming government that they will shield the taoiseach/ministers from certain questions put by the opposition or guillotine issues if taoiseach/ ministers are under pressure if they dont agree to this in advance they will not be proposed or if they fail to adhere to this when in the position even on any issue they would not be proposed following the next general election So you can imagine aceann comhairle who is a member of the governing party would act A former ceann comhairle made no secret of this scenario many years ago Anyone who believes otherwise is brain dead
Anything to deflect from the disastrous showing in the polls.
If your so confident of the polls why dont you call for the real poll that matters.
Barrett is a millionaire and out of touch like the other millionaires in FG
Another phone number Kenny has on speed dial, all ur talk Sean you will do as ur told like the rest of us .
glad thats all cleared up so
mrgillwhoever, the one thing that is clear is that you and your multiple personalities are pure unadulterated idiots.
Kenny and his cohorts could not be trusted to renegotiate with the Troika as they are simply not qualified to do so nor do they possess the political will power to seek any reappraisal of Ireland’s debt
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