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Is what British politicians say a load of 'cock and bull'? That's what this show wants to find out...

Artist Nic Green created the show Cock and Bull before Brexit – but the work, which takes apart the words of politicians, is just as pertinent now.

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I just think you can say ‘strong and stable government’ as much as you want, but it doesn’t make it true.

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TO LISTEN TO a politician make a speech can sometimes be an exercise in trying to find a needle in a haystack. The needle is the point, the haystack is a load of words.

Here in Ireland, we can certainly point to politicians who are fond of a bit of bluster. But there are others, too, whose gift with words (or often, their scriptwriter’s gift) marks them out as people who have a very good point to make.

Over in the UK, a lot of attention has been laser-focused on MPs in the wake of the Brexit vote. British Prime Minister Theresa May in particular has found herself making speeches that are sometimes dreary, often boring – never explosive, unless for the wrong reasons. 

Conservative words

In 2015, the award-winning British artist Nic Green found herself contemplating what politicians say, and how they say it.

Is it just a load of words that mean nothing?

She started recording these words, listening and then distilling them down, and eventually using them to create the theatre piece Cock and Bull. The work will be performed in Dublin as part of Live Collision this Saturday.

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Cock and Bull was conceived for the eve of the 2015 UK General Election, but four years on it is just as pertinent. 

In the piece, three women convene to perform their own, alternative, party conference.  They use the words of politicians and respond to what’s described as “the meaninglessness and repetition of empty political promise, the privilege of the governmental elite and the deep discontent of an increasingly disproportionate and divided society”.

The work is part protest, part catharsis, and part exorcism, says its creator. 

That it is performed by three women, when politics across the globe is overwhelmingly male, adds another layer to it.

“It started when I was looking into the relationship between power and language,” Green tells TheJournal.ie of its genesis. She had initially started looking at how bankers talk about themselves, but then decided to go straight to the seat of power.

“I started looking at David Cameron and George Osborne and I ended up watching the 2014 Conservative Party Conference, all of the speeches back to back,” she says. “Which I had never done before – because why would anyone do it unless it was your job?”

A few things struck her. “They were all men of a certain age, white, of a certain class – most people coming from Oxbridge, Eton etc. And the other thing that struck me was the repetition between the speeches. These amazing ideas distilled into these slogans that become a shorthand for a policy. But I’m not totally convinced that anybody knows what those policies are.”

The piece came out of a quest to figure out how you can use your voice in the world. “Going, I just feel so bored of voting for things and them not getting through and the things I want to happen never happens,” she says.

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“I guess that’s what we call democracy in our country but the margins are so slim and there are so many people who feel desperately unhappy with the situation,” says Green. “What do you do, how do you deal with it? How do you keep on trying to talk about it and find a way to use your voice? When we first started making this piece these were the questions we dealing with.”

She started collecting sentences, hitting on repeatedly used phrases. Green would then disassemble the sentences to see if she could find new meanings. “I just felt like there was really something about taking these words and altering them and repeating them into meaningless or exposing them,” she says.

While playing with repeated words, she’d notice how they’d sometimes sound like different words – if you say ‘people’ over and over it again, sometimes it sounds like ‘peephole’.

Dumbing down

Seeing the simplicity in the words made Green wonder about the ‘dumbing down’ of political speeches. “Maybe we’re really seeing the full effect of that now with Brexit and how that propaganda played out on the lead up to these really simplified ideas that are just not reality,” says Green.

She wonders if people can start to feel disaffected and disengaged from politics because of a dumbing down “into nothing – you can’t have a conversation about nothing”

“There’s nothing to talk about and maybe that’s why a lot of people don’t know who they should vote for or why,” she says. “I guess [the piece is] just trying to react to that in a way. Just expose it a little bit more.”

I just think you can say ‘strong and stable government’ as much as you want but it doesn’t make it true.

Green believes that people are even more averse to political spin than when Cock and Bull was first made.

“I think in a way it maybe feels more relevant,” she says. “[The piece is] not educational in the sense it tells you anything about these parties. Literally what it does is presents the words back again in another space, and re-forms them. It gives this other kind of space for you actually to have a moment to personally respond to that and emotionally respond to that.”

None of us really know how much stuff affects us, how much we’re influenced or swayed. I think it’s good to purge it a bit.

Though it’s one show in a sea of work, Green hopes that Cock and Bull is in its own way making a difference:

“In a really tiny way it’s just a little theatre show, but for us when you feel like you are not represented in the power that governs your land, it’s a tiny way to take some power back, or to access your own agency when you just feel like you can’t in a bigger picture.”

Cock and Bull will be performed on Saturday 27 April as part of the Live Collision art festival, which runs from 24-27 April at Project Arts Centre in Dublin. 7pm and tickets are €16, suitable for ages 16+. Tickets for all events can be bought from the Project Arts or Collision websites.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:25 AM

    Good to see the US adopting this type of system, the lottery was a bit of a joke in fairness, just so random and seemed like a lazy/handy way of doing things for them. Seems really tough to immigrate into the US nowadays.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:32 AM

    That’s true, I was fortunate enough to win a green card through the lottery system…but it was completely random, you could be a computer scientist from Bogota or a sheep herder from Armenia, it made no sense really. This seems like a much better system.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:52 AM

    Even when you got your random green card in the lottery you still had to attend the Embassy for an interview so possibly a lot of weeding out was done then?

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:57 AM

    That’s true, but all you required was a job offer in official headed paper from a company and that was it…easy to make one up if you had to!

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:03 AM

    Not necessary if you have degree or/and masters in an employable profession. Subtle weeding out.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:13 AM

    At the time I didn’t have a degree and went with my letter of an offer of employment which was acceptable. If I was bullshitting I would have got away with it, how I know was because it was my friends company and there was no check.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:40 AM

    I am guessing that may have a while go? Perhaps they check more throughly now?

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:43 AM

    It was 2001. Maybe they do. Border Control has stiffened considerably since 2005…so maybe you’re right. I moved home in 2006.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 11:16 AM

    Just as a matter of interest, if you don’t mind me asking. Just wondering why you decided to move back home. Don’t answer if you dont want I know it’s a personal question.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 12:17 PM

    Ha! Youre close enough Sean!!!
    I find I’m asking myself that question a lot lately McBab….I spent a few years there and decided to move back, family I suppose had a bit to do with it. I had a great time there, really lived it. If you are willing to work in the States, you will get on fine. The working man is rewarded. If you want to sit on your hole, you don’t eat, simple as. A policy they could do with having a look at here. To be honest, I would move back in the morn, but my wife would not… Added to a mortgage, young kids etc here its just not an option unfortunately….

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    Apr 27th 2013, 12:41 PM

    Thanks for the reply Jimmy. So refreshing to have a civilised conversation on this site!

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    Apr 27th 2013, 6:42 PM

    No worries McBab

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:04 AM

    Seems the age category doesn’t make sense It is a kind of discrimination

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:41 AM

    I agree. Not sure why this ism is ok and gender and race isms are deemed unacceptable.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:57 AM

    Err.. Because they prefer to let in young people? I’d get no points for age myself but get it and have no problem with it.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:15 AM

    Would it be ok to let in just white people? Or just men?

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    Apr 28th 2013, 2:10 PM

    It makes perfect sense for them too give preference to younger people. Younger people will be in the work force for longer, thus generating taxes and revenue for the government longer.

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    Apr 28th 2013, 3:00 PM

    It’s logical to limit immigration to those who can be more productive and and bring value to the country, rather than become a burden. It is a transaction, not a gift: we let you in, you came and work hard and (possibly, at least initially) cheap, we all benefit in the end.

    Above all though, it is their country, their rules. They don’t have to adhere to our political correctness, as much as we might feel righteous about our opinion on it.

    It’s called independence.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:57 AM

    It’s really sad to see some of us calling African Shit holes …….. Some of us are here legally just for studies and we are benefiting this country by paying huge school fees
    Am alway heartbroken when people think that all Africans are Asylum seekers or refugees :-( and i remember when i first arrived in Ireland and stayed for 3 months someone whom i don’t know sent me a text saying “You are fraudulent Asylum Seeker Scamming our country …. Go back to Africa”
    it’s really sad.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 11:05 AM

    Unfortuntely ISSA a lot of africans are absolutely bleeding this country for what its worth. Its a national disgrace and no one has the balls to to stand up to it for fear of being targeted as being racist/bigot etc. I dont believe anyone has a problem with genuine students and workers.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 11:11 AM

    I do agree with you Jason …… That some of Africans have damaged our image thurs making everyone think that all African are here to Abuse the system.
    Personally am ashamed to be black coz av experienced hard times since i came here for my studies with other people brandishing me names lol.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 11:14 AM

    Not all africans are out to scam this country or take it for a ride. I have the pleasure of knowing some who are really successful here.

    But as Jason pointed out there is alot more scamming than actually been good citizens.

    Until that trend reverses the African people who are not out to scam etc are going to be labeled with the same tag.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 11:23 AM

    I do get your point …… But am just puzzled on how those people manage to come in Ireland and abuse the system lol.
    I remember when i was applying for my Irish student Visa back home in Kenya i really passed through various difficulty process to get my Visa and i had to produce loads and loads of documents and went through serious vetting and on top of that i was required to do an International English proficiency test to prove that i can speak English lol

    Does it mean that some countries get their visas so easily???? coz some are here and ain’t speaking English and there are the one tarnishing our name here

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    Apr 27th 2013, 4:14 PM

    Issa . Quite a few africans come in as refugees depending on the country in Africa.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 9:54 AM

    Lock up the illegals.

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:45 AM

    +1

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    Apr 27th 2013, 11:00 AM

    Nope, just send em home

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:23 PM

    about time!

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    Apr 28th 2013, 2:07 AM

    Well this is good news for the irish a nation of hard working people when we go to other country’s we dont go their to sponge of that said country we work hard integrate into their society’s spend our money their while still retaining out culture and having the “craic”

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    Apr 27th 2013, 10:21 AM

    Will this cover the ones this October?

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