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PRESSURE IS MOUNTING on Ceann Comhairle Verona Murphy as the opposition unites in their position that it no longer has confidence in her.
However, this evening, Murphy said she has no plans to resign.
There were fiery exchanges in the Dáil this afternoon, when Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald kicked things off by telling Murphy that her position is untenable.
“You need to go,” McDonald told Murphy, accusing her of showing bias in favour of the government and of “taking a wrecking ball” to government procedure.
What next for the Ceann Comhairle?
Murphy now has a choice to make: she can face down the opposition in a vote likely to take place next week or leave her position.
Today, the opposition gave Murphy until the end of the week to resign or else face a no confidence motion.
The motion, which was submitted this evening, according to Sinn Féin, states:
“That the Ceann Comhairle no longer retains the confidence of all members of Dáil Éireann”.
The motion of no confidence is sponsored by party leaders, Mary Lou McDonald, Ivana Bacik, Cian O’Callaghan, Richard Boyd Barrett and Michael Collins.
Notably, Green Party leader Roderic O’Gorman, who stood beside the other party leaders yesterday on the plinth, has not co-signed the motion today.
Murphy said in a statement this evening that she has no intention of going anywhere.
The Ceann Comhairle said she was elected by the majority of members of the Dáil and her office has endeavoured “in utmost good faith” to sort out the speaking rights row over a two-month period.
Despite months of negotiation, no consensus or resolution could be found, she said.
“I have loyally, scrupulously, and impartially adhered to my solemn undertakings made to the House, and through the House to the Irish people,” she said this evening.
“Prolonged disorder and obstruction is utterly unacceptable in any democratic parliament. So too is making false accusations of partiality and collusion against its officials and Chair.
“By virtue of the independence of the office of Ceann Comhairle, I am in the unenviable position that I cannot descend at will into debate to defend myself against the entirely false allegations of collusion made against me in the Dáil today,” Murphy said.
The Ceann Comhairle said she categorically rejects “totally unfounded allegations” made against her, stating that she has always acted on the advice of the impartial officials present.
“I fully intend to continue to carry out the onerous office to which I was elected in accordance with the solemn undertakings I gave the Dáil upon my election,” she said, urging all members of the House to “abide by their own constitutional obligations, to refrain from disorder and to respect the rights and dignity of every other member”.
In addition to the statement from the Ceann Comhairle, correspondence from the Dáil Clerk, Peter Finnegan, to Murphy was also released this evening, which outlines that the Ceann Comhairle exercised her discretion to proceed directly to Order of Business yesterday, without holding a vote, due to the “significant level of disorder” in the chamber.
Sinn Féin Chief Whip Pádraig Mac Lochlainn said the Ceann Comhairle said Murphy should “step aside” as she has lost the confidence of the “entire Opposition” in the Dáil.
Will the government support the Ceann Comhairle and put down a countermotion?
A government source told The Journal that “vote or no vote”, the government has confidence in the Ceann Comhairle.
In terms of a countermotion of confidence in Murphy, it is understood that government will consider the matter when it arises.
The motion of no confidence will almost certainly be defeated as the government parties and groupings will support her.
However, that would not be the end of the matter.
Those in opposition have said its protest will continue, even if the motion is defeated.
Asked this evening, Sinn Féin’s Rose Conway-Walsh, said if her party’s motion is defeated on Tuesday, the matter will be discussed between all opposition parties as to “what happens in that case”.
The difficulty for Murphy going forward, after defeating such a motion, would be her maintaining her authority and being seen as impartial, which the opposition have clearly said they do not believe she is.
Along the corridors of Leinster House, politicians has been recalling similar circumstances in which a Ceann Comhairle found himself in bother.
In the dark days of the recession in 2009, it was revealed that Fianna Fáil TD for Kerry and Ceann Comhairle John O’Donoghue had run up over €200,000 in lavish expenses in just two years.
O’Donoghue stepped down after Eamon Gilmore, then leader of the Labour Party, told him in the Dáil that his position was “no longer tenable”. O’Donoghue stepped aside before the matter went to a vote of confidence.
Politicians The Journal spoke to today said there is one key difference, in that Murphy has the confidence of government, something O’Donoghue did not, meaning he had to step aside.
There is a view that Murphy “hasn’t a notion of stepping down”.
The current situation emerged after chaotic scenes of shouting, interruptions and allegations of misogyny in the Dáil yesterday, where the speaking rights row boiled over during Leaders’ Questions.
Murphy faced continual interruptions as she tried to continue proceedings as opposition TDs took to their feet and objected to the Government’s proposals to change speaking time arrangements.
She declared the changes to the standing orders passed before adjourning the Dail. However, opposition leaders insist the vote was not properly conducted.
They also accused her of earlier pushing through the government’s proposed order of business for the Dail without acknowledging an opposition request for a vote.
The row has its origins in the formation of Ireland’s current coalition involving Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, supported by several independent TDs.
Some of those independents have been appointed as junior ministers while the others had sought to join an opposition technical group for the purposes of speaking time, despite supporting the formation of government.
The controversial changes to standing orders include the creation of new speaking slots for coalition backbenchers and Government-aligned independents, a reduction of time for contributions on debating the order of business, and a halving of slots for Taoiseach’s Questions.
Opposition parties are vehemently opposed to the changes, characterising them as an attempt to dilute their ability to hold the government to account and to blur the relationship between the independents who have supported the formation of the coalition.
While the Taoiseach and ministers continue to avoid questions from the opposition about Michael Lowry’s role in government and what deal was struck with him, they continue to focus on how the changes will benefit backbench TDs and their speaking time.
While there is a hope within government that the speaking rights row will dissipate and the public will become tiresome of the issue, there is no sign of it, as the opposition continue to hammer the government with the simple message: that you can’t be in opposition and government at the same time.
With additional reporting by PA
Can the providers please update their coverage first… I have no coverage most of the time at home and at work, ridiculous at this day and age paying for a service that is not even functioning!!!
Change your provider
Same problem, We have been with Vodafone, Meteor and 3 at this stage and the same shite coverage.. Next option at this stage is to move house!!!
In all fairness, Bernie, you live nearly in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean (west, west, wesht Kerry).
Your expectations of good coverage are a little high?
Do you want your own mobile tower for you and your neighbor (singular) all to yourself? ;-)
And is it too much to expect to get the same services that the rest of the country get even if I do live next to the Atlantic ocean, the country is not that big for God’s sake… Does that mean that San Francisco or anywhere on the far western seaboard in the USA should’nt expect to get decent coverage or services ‘cos they live nearly in the middle if the Pacific ocean’!!! Get real in this day and age and in this era of so called technology!!!
Sorry bernie but there is a thing called supply and demand. If you have phone line there is options to increase your mobile signal locally. You might look into that option.
Not just a rural problem, I was in Ballyboden last week & had to go outside to get a mobile signal.
Doesnt work like that bernie.
If it was financialy viable to erect a cell in your area they would.
Though if they did folk out ‘wesht’ would no doubt protest about the waves frying ur brain or something.
When the far west is a city the size of san fran, then you can expect good coverage. My point is not how near you are to the sea, it is that you are in a remote region with very sparse population.
I imagine it is a lovely place to live, but living in an isolated area will have its drawbacks. You cannot expect to have it both ways – delivering services at the same level of a city is very costly.
Bernie, you are asking for the same treatment as the rest of the country… Well how about when we in Dublin each get our own phone mast then you can have one too? I’m probably right in guessing that there are less people using your mast than there are using the one nearest my home.
I live in Dublin 15…..no coverage in house, neighbours report same problem
Joey’s right. Some idiot would be about protesting about radio waves. Idiots.
Look I and all of my counterparts pay just as much taxes as you people in Dublin, but yet we do not get the same services, come on let’s be honest about this… I also pay “USC” tax, Prop Tax, Car Tax(for shite roads) at least you have good roads.. all I am saying at this day and age is it not too much to expect to at least have good coverage all over the Country for mobile phones…oh yea on the 5th Oct 2013 there was NO coverage where I live all because we had a “Féile Bia” and that attracted at least 7000 ppl into the penininsula.. And you tell me about Demand and Supply!! I know that is for one day but I can assure you it happens a way more than that on a normal day!!! Why do they take our money if they cannot deliver the service???
Why do you give them money if they don’t deliver a service?
Another silly thing Apple do to control their products
You’re an idiot.
Even my samsung S3 has 4G capability!! Apple will always be playing catch up
Yes but do you have 4G running on it? No, you don’t. That’s the point.
The iPhone 5, 5C and 5S all have 4G capability
@enda Are you sure? Do you have the Lte version?
@karol How do you know he doesn’t? There’s nothing stopping him, 4g SIM on a 4g network and he’s away.
Ha ha…. but do you live in a 4g area…. bet you didn’t think of that one… :-/ android all the way…
You can live without 4G. The 3G speeds in certain parts of Dublin City are more than enough for general users. I’m sure that the “verification” by Apple is to ensure a top user experience. Can’t complain with that.
… Apple fan boy
Android fan boy
Steve jobs would hate apple if he was born again today, a huge company that controls everything the users can do, try download U torrent on iTunes store. You can’t, while its on the play store for all the rest of us and we can download all the free albums and movies we want for free. I read his autobiography he invented apple for to take down the big corporate company that saves all your information and look at what they have become.
I have no interest on watching films on my phone. And I have a fantastic app called Anyplay that streams every single album there ever was for free to my phone. So I don’t need utorrent at all. Enjoy downloading a nice aul virus your dirt phone. I’ll enjoy a secure, beautiful, perfect piece of technology.
The way you are talking about your phone is pretty creepy man.
Karol, tell me more about this anyplay app.
Karl that’s cos your tiny iPhone screen is too small right?
I think you’ll find it was Wozniak that want everything for free with apple. (Open source. Not sure if that’s the right term.) Jobs didn’t. He wanted to control everything. What happens when artists stop making music because they are no longer making any money because you and all your android mates are downloading it for free
Yeah I’m here downloading kanye west and the likes new albums I don’t think they have enough money maybe we should start up a fund and do a whip around the poor lad is broke. Anyway I’ll keep going with my free ebooks, music and movies that I can all put through my tv(not just watching on my phone). And you keep buying apples “new” phones and being limited.
Daniel, having a slightly bigger screen wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference to me. I don’t even watch films on my Ipad. I like a big tv screen for that.
Emmet,
The app no longer exists. I assume because it’s like a free version of spotify and was taken down. It still works fine though as long as you have it. Sorry to disappoint you but it is by far the best app I have ever had.
It can no longer be downloaded…and you are defending apple for being amazing and they take away a great app…FACEPALM.
It’s not on android either. FACEPALM..
Could ye all stop wrecking heads please, ye sound like yer 8.
Thought we have been through this already… Don’t need the app can download all the music I want straight to my phone no need to stream.
@jack not everyone that has a smartphone lives in dublin.
Sorry Johnny,
Forgive me,
I’m 9 by the way
Yes but leave the cretins alone to buy the ios kit whilst we reap the rewards of uncontrolled media content. They aren’t computer literate. They have iTunes we have wrzko.
Good lad Elvis.
Hey popey ye got out of jail yesterday.remember my prediction I made during the summer?are you worried yet?
It may surprise you elephant but I don’t remember your prediction. Probably because I couldn’t give a bollix. What happened to your picture
I’m sure Apple couldn’t give fiddlers about the user experience “verification”, a nice thick brown envelope stuffed with cash is what they are really after.
I’m undergoing a makeover at the moment.does mid table team jog your memory?
No, it doesn’t. 6 points is nothing nelly the elephant. Nothing I tell you
Ha!ye couldn’t even score in the champions league during the week.why did the players congratulate Rooney for hittin the post before the og?things are bad when the pat him on the back for hitting the post
Ha ha you’re insane. Who else would they congratulate. He murdered the team turned them inside out and hit the post with a beautiful effort. Lethal player
He didnt score though.will they congratulate him for turning up next?clutching at straws
The last person the touch the ball before the og always gets congratulated. #stoptalkingshite
Apple fan boy? It’s Samsung fan boys and iPhone w@nkers!
Yes Karl but u can plug your android into your big screen I have my I pad my I phone 4 but my s3 plugs into my TV no Netflix r anything needed
Now now Daniel Wilson, don’t be slagging Karol’s tiny screen, it’s perfectly well designed to fit in his handbag.
So you condone theft then Paul? Or did I misinterpret you??
Yes they do……
Both Apple AND Samsung insist on certifying their devices for use on LTE/4G networks. The tests focus on generous continuous coverage, data speeds and handoff to seamless legacy technologies.
I’m surprised with Meteor/Eircom already launched that certification is still going on – might say something about the speed the rollout of their 4G.
You clearly have no clue about the role Steve Jobs played in making apple the closed proprietary ecosystem it is today.
This country has the worse Internet infrastructure I’ve ever witnessed! They have high speed broadband on top of Everest, in the outback in Oz, in tiny huts in Africa and were only a fraction in size and we can’t cover the area! We’re a laughing stock! Dial up all over again!
I have never heard such complete bullshit.
You need to move to a hut in the outback of Everest Karol.
You’ll hear it all from there.
Ireland is in the top 85% globally with our broadband.. you haven’t clue!
The only internet connection achievable on top Everest would be -
Satellite
Poor bandwidth, poor latency
The only internet connection available in somewhere remote like the Oz outback would be again (Satellite)
What exactly do you know about Internet infrastructure in Africa? Internet connectivity, from my experience, is moderate to poor even in the largest cities (Nairobi, Lagos, Johannesburg) I think you’re talking out of your ass!
We have excellent Data Communications infrastructure in this country why do you think we have huge IT net companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter establishing their European bases here, do you think their data centers are connected over dial up?
The problems in Ireland are the bureaucracy and bullsh*t in bringing the service to ordinary customer, largely impeded by Eircoms monopoly over the years and poor planning.
Jaysus you’re full of $hite
The smell a ya
Everest base camp and Ethiopia both have an internet service running 3g… I can’t attest to the other locations but it wouldnt surprise me. So it’s really not complete bullshizz, unlike your comment.
@Dave King. 3g service is a merely a delivery medium, it does not guarantee x bandwidth at x latency! Even in Ireland 3g connectivity can range from 7Mb/s in Dublin to 50kb/s in Leitrim. Most African cities have 3g (Check out mtn.com) but a 3g network is only as good as the data network that supports it.
We actually have excellent backbone data infrastructure in this country (Check out http://www.e-net.ie/), the problems are allowing the consumer access to the network and at competitive price!
I think you’ll find that you’re the laughing stock with limited comments such as those
@Kieran
Top 85% globally? That doesn’t sound like a very good stat. That means we could be in the bottom 15%.
Luke,
Being in the top 85% means we are in the top 85%.
Being in the bottom 15% means we would be in the bottom 15%.
Please tell me you’re not that dumb. Please.
Why would anyone provide 3g for the top of everest or a mud hut in Africa?
For all the people who who think we’ve a great Internet system you obviously haven’t stepped outside a major town
Clown
Clown!
@ larry you are deluded my poor chap
@Kieran. I imagine you know very little about the internet, Data Networks or very much about anything for that matter. WTF is an ‘Internet System’?
@john f: I know enough that if you’re in a rural area in this country you’re Internet/broadband/mobile network is pretty much non-existent! The geography of our broadband infrastructure is so lob sided that it suits only a certain few! If you can prove that to be incorrect then you’re the first and only person to do so! Fair play to ya!
Have a look at irelandoffline.org and then come back Johnny
Who cares? I have 120 Meg UPC! :D
Call UPC and they will give you a free upgrade to 150mb :)
The sooner the better. All I’m hoping is that 3 IRL’s LTE signal is a lot better indoors than their 3G. Switching to ‘No Service’ or back to GPRS in central Dublin just isn’t good enough.
If HSDPA was rolled out properly with sufficient network bandwidth behind it…. No one would care about 4G.
Apple take the absolute and always believe they’re the cream of the crop, but that’s changing.
It’s hilarious, every time an article about Apple comes out you have all the android trolls coming out from under their bridges trying to justify their hatred for the superior Apple products.
No one cares lads. Go back to your bridge believing your shitty little android phone is better. Ha ha.
hypocritical much?
Trolling? Coming from the man who at the minute who has 7 comments
Each to their own Karol, you like apple as do many others, others like android, some like both. You’re entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else! Live and let live, each to their own. Just because people don’t agree with your opinion doesn’t give you the right to be a troll, or a hypocrite for that matter also.
;) all in good fun lads
Karol care to put up a complete list of the iPhone 5s spec vs the Galaxy S4 spec to back up your argument? Bottom line is that with the rather marginal differences in the handsets it largely comes down to personal preference.
@karl I have both u obviously don’t android is light years ahead of my I phone 4.
@Laura, why not take the time to read your earlier comment Laura? And now you say each to their own.. God I can’t believe I’m allowing myself to get drawn into this, obviously bored
Yawn
@Karol spot on the Andriod trolls are on here in droves samsung love ripping off apple ideas watch the next S5 come out with a 64bit processor again playing catchup to apple!
@mac samsung ripping off Apple? How’s iOS7 working out for you? Looks more than a little like Android ice Cream Sandwich don’t you think? Also Samsung are not catching up to anyone. Any quick search for info will inform you the the tide has turned in favour of Samsung and Android.
Apple without Steve Jobs is a company in freefall. Not a single innovative idea since Jobs passed.
Android, IOS & Windows are all fine systems. Which one is best for you depends on your requirements.
I have used both android & IOS but will be getting the new nokia 1520 whenever it is available.
Richard,
You are comparing a current android phone to an iPhone 4, really? The 4 is nearly 4 years old, compare to the current crop of phones, in benchmarks the 5s is much faster, and as apps are released to make use of the 64bit chip will only get faster.
Actually a spec sheet is a pointless comparison, android is inefficient compared to ios, it needs more ram and a higher clocked cpu to perform even close to ios, this is because it’s apps run in a vm.
bench marks (which samsung has been shown to cheat on) are a measure of performance, in many cases the 5s is twice as fast as the s4.
http://anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5
In fact in many cases the older 5 beats the s4
@smv I’m sorry show me a 64 bit OS and processor in a current gen Andriod phone?oh wait is that the sound of silence? Come back to me when Samsung come from behind Again!
@larry, have I forced my opinion on anybody? Have I slandered apple? Have I slandered android? Like I said each to their own…..it’s no excuse for trolling or karols behaviour. You might be bored and obviously a bit tired because you most certainly did not read my comments. Maybe you should read them again yourself before suggesting I do so. I work in telecoms and provided accurate insight as to why this scenario arose with apple in Ireland. Not speculation, not my opinion, just the facts.
My behavior? Have a day off Laura.
I rarely see a 3G signal! Why run when our providers can’t even walk or even crawl? We pay for premium service and get a sub standard service and that goes across all telecommunications services in Ireland.
I reckon if you are paying for 3G and cannot get the coverage you shouldn’t have to pay the full price.
Only in Internet speeds can you pay the same price as someone who is getting 4 or 5 times the value as you.
It would serve as an incentive to get all the lines upgraded that’s for sure..
I thought only women used iphones
Even the hipsters are switching to Android
Thats it Apple will launch 2 new models soon. Iphone 6 and iphone 6 s :)
And allllllllllll the stupid will line up again …
Jesus but fanboys be they apple or android are boring!!!
I know this one!…. apple wont test until 4g goes live, unlike other manufacturers who test while it’s in development and roll out software updates to support 4g at launch. Even the existing iphone5 is 4g compatible, not just the new 5s and 5c and none of them are LTE (4g) enabled yet. Be curious to see how long it takes them to roll out the 4g to their handsets, might be a nice xmas pressie for all the apple fan boys!! :-)
This is funny, because 4G has been supported at launch in a number of other European countries. Last one I can think of is Bouygues Telecom which launched its 4G network in France at the end of September and got 4G support on the iPhone 5 the same day as long as people had updated to iOS7.
More likely explanation:
- The Irish carriers have been pretty slow at carrying out the tests requested by Apple (which rightly or not would be more demanding than other manufacturers – I am getting information from my brother who did work on these things at Bouygues Telecom)
- Apple is not making too many efforts either as Ireland is a small market with limited competition which is clearly not their top priority
“Ireland is in the top 85% globally with our broadband.. you haven’t clue!”
Does that not mean we’re in the bottom 16%?
Hi boris, your brother is right but its not solely up to the networks, the manufacturer has to develop and test their 4g software before rollout. Most do it when the infrastructure is in development, but you hit the nail on the head. “Little old ireland” syndrome. Apple wouldn’t complete this testing until it went live first to test real time parameters and stability. I work in telecoms also.
Spot on Laura, do you want a job? pm me
Lads, seriously? They are both great phones and it really depends on personal preference. I don’t think anyone commenting under a Journal article about 4G is going to change anyone’s opinion on either phone.
It certainly would I’d imagine, 4G will be a big benefit to many people, if it wasn’t they wouldn’t be spending 100′s of millions rolling it out. And if you want 4G you won’t be buying the new iPhone. But there is plenty of options available for 4g so I’d imagine anyone that wants it just won’t buy an IPhone. Unless extremely brand loyal.
Sry read ur comment wrong, yeh commenting here is just a bit of a firefight for the fanboi’s to pass their Sunday.
The technology is there. why do they not invest in it. Also in Hi fiber Broadband. Many places in Ireland have not got Broadband at all.
Got to love the myrmidons who come on here, immediately re-iterating their love for all things Apple, or samsung…. A nation of narrow-minded walking cliches….
4G…..mere peasants I call thee. LTE +A…… I’m sure Ireland will get it…. In about 10 years
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Did London not just get 4g a few months back ?? R am I mistaken. Anyway im waitn on the blame Enda people to come forth !
Ah ya can’t beat the auld Nokia :)
Good to go on my BlackBerry z10
4G in Ireland – Big marketing slogan and that’s all. Why?
3G is more than anough for anything you would normally do on smartphone or tablet (www, email, using various apps, skype, youtube, etc.) for 99% of people.
However if you really need 4G this most likely means you are transferring extraordinary amounts of data, much more than average person (perhaps HD streaming, uploading large numbers of high res photos on the go, etc.). I can only imagine that could be someone like journalist, photographer, some folk that report on live world events, etc.
But then, there’s catch – largest data bundle on Meteor package is 6GB allowance per month.
Considering your 4G works at rate of 20 Mbit/s (just average assumption) – then if you constantly download / upload some multimedia – your monthly allowance of data will be breached in less than 1 hour. Yes, in less than 60 minutes you could be out of your bundled data plan for full month.
This is real problem, not that Apple is checking something :)
Ok. What about an update of Civil Unions to afford more rights to partners, similar to the rights one would have in a marriage?
I’m not bigoted, a homophobe, or religious but I believe marriage should remain solely for male/female relationships, its a been a cornerstone to our society for thousands of years and I think it should remain that way and I would imagine many people (each with their own view) share my opinion.
Oh lol, wrong thread.. fail fail, damn you hangover! :P
When are phone manufacturers going to produce all their phones with dual sim capability & upgrade the ancient sim cards which only hold just over 200 numbers, drives me bonkers trying to back up all my numbers to the phone because the sim card has a crap memory!
Samsung/HTC are more advanced & have better tech specs, cameras etc- but a fall from 2ft & they break to pieces- apple lower spec but tough & cheaper to repair screens etc (which are less likely to break anyhow), depends what your after- reliability or better tech specs- personal taste! !
I was in Vietnam recently & the cost of unlimited broadband is just about €2.99 per month & Wi Fi is free in all hotels & restaurants. Clever people they are!
Can anybody explain why the internet allowance cap is so small in Ireland? I was looking I to getting an iPhone when I return home from abroad as I’m using one now happily.
With meteor it’s €60 for 6GB of data per month and €50 for 3GB!!
A big chun of that is going to pay for the phone. E-mobile have a sim only plan with unlimited calls texts & data for about €30 a month
No bad, I’ll look into so. And also first about getting my phone unlocked!
3s flexi packages give you 20gb.
Even their €20 per month prepay gives you 15gb.
They have newer unlimited packages for under €40 a month for everything, calls, texts and data.
I found their coverage better in some parts of Wicklow and Gorey than O2.
It’s best, albeit a little patchy around Dublin (and to be fair – I don’t find it any more patchy than I found O2 around Dublin).
Our home broadband is pretty poor as we are some distance from the exchange, so I use my 3G for uploading as the speeds are better (which is probably more an indication of how poor our DSL connection is than anything else!!)
@Giz.. Three give a high data allowance because the performance of their data service is so terrible you’d never be able to consume the 20GB, even if you left it downloading 24/7
Apple is a hoe ….Peruod
Are you on your peruod?
Love my little Nokia ;)
Love my little Nokia
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