Support from readers like you keeps The Journal open.
You are visiting us because we have something you value. Independent, unbiased news that tells the truth. Advertising revenue goes some way to support our mission, but this year it has not been enough.
If you've seen value in our reporting, please contribute what you can, so we can continue to produce accurate and meaningful journalism. For everyone who needs it.
MPS HAVE HELD a crucial vote on whether to back a no-deal Brexit.
They voted against it in the end, but it was a confusing path to get there.
It’s important to remember that even though they’ve voted against a no-deal Brexit, that that isn’t a legally binding decision.
Prime Minister Theresa May told the House of Commons yesterday that without a deal, the default position is still leaving on the 29 March without a deal.
Here are the highlights from today:
The UK government published its no-deal Brexit plans, saying that there would be no tariffs on goods going from Ireland to Northern Ireland
Two amendments were selected for a vote tonight to May’s deal; there was an attempt to withdraw one of those: the Spelman amendment
The Spelman amendment was moved and passed – it ruled out a no-deal Brexit at any time. Another amendment by Brexiteers was resoundingly defeated
The motion, changed by the Spelman amendment, was then approved by 321 votes to 278 votes – a vote against a no-deal Brexit in any circumstances.
A number of Ministers abstained after being instructed to vote against the Spelman amended motion. It’s uncertain whether they’ll have to resign now.
Stay with us as we bring you the final result, reaction to it and what it means.
13 Mar 2019
12:28PM
It’s Seán Murray here with you this afternoon and feel free to get in touch by commenting below, emailing sean@thejournal.ie, or tweeting me at @seanmjourno.
First, let’s catch you up with what’s been happening already today…
From midday, Brexit was the topic of debate in both the House of Commons and in the Dáil when leaders questions got under way.
Fianna Fáil’s Micheál Martin asked about the tariff proposals from the UK government, saying it would be devastating for the Irish economy.
With the Taoiseach in Washington, Tánaiste Simon Coveney acknowledged that tariffs would be ”damaging to businesses, farmers and consumers, whether in Ireland or the UK”.
He added the government will study any proposals carefully.
Martin points out the Dáil won't be meeting again until three days before the end of March (the Brexit deadline). "This parliament will meet if it has to," Coveney replies. pic.twitter.com/yTpgbKNl0x
Coveney was also pressed by Sinn Féin’s David Cullinane, and was asked to give concrete answers to businesses and farmers in Ireland now a no-deal Brexit looks ever more likely.
Simon Coveney said Ireland has shown a willingness to be flexible and to take into account the political challenges in Westminster. “It hasn’t been enough,” he said, adding that it is now up to the British political system to try to find a way of resolving its own issues.
Coveney: "There is no viable solution that manages sensibly the two obligations that we have of preventing border infrastructure and protecting the integrity of both single markets that doesn’t involve something that looks like the backstop."
Speaking of the British resolving their own issues, Theresa May arrived at Prime Minister’s Questions this afternoon having not yet resolved the issue of her sore throat.
Anyone who watched parliament yesterday would have noted that May very clearly had a sore throat and it sounded even worse today.
But that didn’t stop her being combative as she traded the usual barbs with Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
House of Commons / PA Images
House of Commons / PA Images / PA Images
Actually, even Corbyn expressed sympathy for May as she attempted to reply through her strained voice.
But the sympathy didn’t last long.
House of Commons
House of Commons
They had a go at each other for quite a while, but it varied very little.
May did confirm that she would vote against leaving the EU with no deal on 29 March and accused Corbyn of having nothing to offer to the country.
The Labour leader meanwhile, told the prime minister her “deal is dead” and that she must seek to compromise now it was clear her withdrawal agreement would never get through parliament.
However, the always sharp Virgin Media News political correspondent Gav Reilly then pointed out that the actual deal had been published several hours before at 10pm Monday on night.
MPs are due to start debating whether the UK should leave the EU without a deal at 3.30pm today.
Theresa May – voice permitting – will begin that debate which will last until 7pm when MPs are due to vote.
Despite the House of Commons so far being unable to really agree on anything, it is widely expected that MPs will vote comprehensively against a no deal.
13 Mar 2019
1:02PM
There’s a lot of talk going around about the Malthouse plan today which has the support of a number of May’s ministers, Brexiteers and former remainers… but what is it?
It’s an amendment to the motion that’s being voted on today that is effectively a “managed no deal”.
Under such proposals, the UK would remain aligned to the EU’s trade laws and rules for a period of two years.
After that, it would refer to World Trade Organization terms.
The support for Malthouse among Brexiteers is totally at odds with the EU, which has repeatedly refused the idea of letting the UK leave without a deal but also retaining the benefits of membership for a period.
Looking across the water now, and it’s a fine looking morning Stateside with our political correspondent Christina Finn on site in Washington for Leo Varadkar’s customary St Patrick’s Day visit.
It wouldn’t have been unexpected but nevertheless still disappointing when the Taoiseach got WiFi on his phone back and found out that May’s deal had been crushed again in the House of Commons.
He’s due to speak at a US Chamber of Commerce event at 4pm today our time, and we’ll update you on what he has to say then.
We’re here in Washington DC with the Taoiseach for the St Patrick’s Day annual celebrations.
It’s day one, the sun is up and the first engagement for Varadkar is a visit to the US Chamber of Commerce.
May has stopped speaking in the House of Commons for now, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer has been providing updates on the UK economy for the coming year.
Philip Hammond has said that lifting Brexit uncertainty is parliament’s “most urgent task” as he slashed the growth predictions for the UK economy for 2019 from 1.6% to 1.2%.
So, back to the tariffs in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Just as a reminder, the UK government has said there will be no new checks or controls on goods moving from Ireland to Northern Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Sinn Féin’s David Cullinane told the Dáil it was ironic that the UK was making a special case for Northern Ireland in tariff terms, given the derision so many in parliament had for the Irish backstop.
It’s official Labour policy to back a second referendum now, but former prime minister Tony Blair has been among those calling for one for some time.
In this video this afternoon, he says there will be “no closure” for people without another referendum given how disastrously Brexit has been handled in the House of Commons.
MPs should vote down disastrous No-Deal Brexit & use an extension to come to a decision - do we want a Soft, Pointless Brexit or a Hard, Painful Brexit. If neither is palatable, we must put it back to the People.
The Guardian’s Lisa O’Carroll, meanwhile, dug deep into the info provided by the UK government on tariffs and found that imports of underwear will go up 12% under the new regime.
Imports of knickers and underpants made of man-made fibre will go up 12% under new tariff regime. pic.twitter.com/ikA1s6JUe3
The Irish Congress of Trade Unions has sent in a statement following the tariffs news this morning, and it is clear they’re worried how it could affect jobs here in Ireland.
Its general secretary Patricia King has said the government should adopt measures to protect and families from the impact of the tariff system the UK has announced in the event of a no-deal as a matter of urgency.
King said: ‘The Government also needs to adopt specific measures to minimise the impact of tariffs on low-paid workers and low-income households.
The Low Pay Commission warns that the negative impacts of Brexit are likely to be fall disproportionately on low-skilled workers and low-income households. Special provision needs to be made for these citizens.
Although it appears likely Brexit will now be delayed, those countdown clocks on every news bulletin do serve as a reminder that the UK is actually due to leave the EU in just a couple of weeks’ time on 29 March.
It is this that makes advice like this from the Department of Health in the last few minutes all the more pertinent.
From the EU’s side, there is the feeling that there is nothing more that Brussels can do to help the beleaguered May after her vote was defeated last night.
Earlier today, a spokesman for Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, said he regretted the result, but warned that from Brussels’ viewpoint “it is difficult to see what more we can do”.
“With only 17 days left to 29 March, today’s vote has significantly increased the likelihood of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit,” the spokesman said.
The EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier echoed the view, saying there was nothing more Brussels could do.
“The EU has done everything it can to help get the Withdrawal Agreement over the line. The impasse can only be solved in the UK. Our ‘no-deal’ preparations are now more important than ever before,” Barnier tweeted.
The EU has done everything it can to help get the Withdrawal Agreement over the line. The impasse can only be solved in the #UK. Our “no-deal” preparations are now more important than ever before.
This piece from Guardian columnist Marina Hyde is getting shared a lot on Twitter at the moment.
It contains this quote from Conservative backbencher Steve Double which is one I do admit I missed last night.
“This is a turd of a deal,” he intoned to the House of Commons, “which has now been taken away and polished, and is now a polished turd. But it might be the best turd that we’ve got.”
There is some degree of surprise to the tone taken by Chancellor Philip Hammond in his speech to the Commons following May.
Ostensibly, he’s a close supporter of May and enjoys the most senior position in his Cabinet.
But he used his speech today to call for a softer Brexit than the one the prime minister has been advocating.
Widely supposed for ages Hammond wants PM to move to closer relationship with EU that hypothetically gets thro parliament if her deal fell, but still quite something to hear it so directly at despatch box
Snap poll: Do you think MPs will vote to back leaving the EU without a deal this evening?
Poll Results:
No (732)
Yes (330)
13 Mar 2019
2:42PM
As businesses here fear the impact of Brexit – particularly a no-deal Brexit – employers in the UK are similarly exasperated with the goings-on at Westminster.
In a statement this afternoon, Carolyn Fairbairn from employers’ organisation the Confederation of British Industry, slammed the politicians’ handling of Brexit.
“It’s time for parliament to stop this circus,” Fairbairn says.
“A new approach is needed by all parties. Jobs and livelihoods depend on it. Extending Article 50 to close the door on a March no-deal is now urgent.”
The British Chambers of Commerce (BCC), which represents thousands of firms, also insisted that a “no deal” exit had to be avoided.
The rumours continue to swirl around Westminster about what exactly each Brexit faction is planning.
The Sun’s political editor is saying that Brexiteers are planning to table an amendment to rule out a 2nd referendum ahead of the vote to extend Brexit tomorrow.
I hear an interesting move is afoot by Tory/DUP/Labour Brexiteer MPs - tabling a joint amendment to rule out a 2nd Referendum in principle for Thursday’s voting. Plan is to spike People’s Vote’s guns early.
Sinn Féin has been having its say this afternoon on the Westminster goings-on.
And they’ve unsurprisingly attacking the DUP for its policies on Brexit.
Its deputy leader Michelle O’Neill said: “I’ve just been speaking to business and farming leaders and it is clear that there is a growing sense of alarm at where this process is heading.
That is where the DUP have taken us. They have consistently shown a callous disregard for the people who live here. Later today, they have said they will vote to increase the likelihood of a No-deal crash. In so doing they are threatening the economic future of us all.
13 Mar 2019
2:51PM
BBC reporting that Downing Street has said that MPs will get a free vote on the aforementioned Malthouse Compromise – which Brexiteers favour but the EU has said isn’t a runner whatsoever.
To re-cap, it’ll mean the UK leaves with a no-deal on 29 March, keeps EU rules for two years and then reverts to WTO arrangements.
For this to happen though, it’ll need for the EU to also agree to it. Which it hasn’t. And has said it won’t.
This should be fun.
13 Mar 2019
2:57PM
That’s it from me for now, but I leave you in the more-than-capable hands of my colleague Gráinne Ní Aodha for the rest of the afternoon as the no-deal debate gets under way shortly in the House of Commons.
Hello everyone, Gráinne Ní Aodha here. Welcome to the chaos that is the UK parliament trying to decide how they should leave the EU.
House of Commons
House of Commons
Michael Gove, as promised, is answering questions in the House of Commons now on Theresa May’s behalf. You’d assume that she’s resting her voice after a day and a half of struggling to debate with a sore throat.
He’s chiding MPs for not voting for May’s deal last night.
All of the choices left, are “less attractive than the Prime Minister’s deal”, he says, adding that leaving without a deal would subject the UK to a number of constitutional and legal challenges.
Line 1, leave out from “House” to end and add “rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship.”
(f)
…notes the steps taken by the Government, the EU and its Member States to minimise any disruption that may occur should the UK leave the EU without an agreed Withdrawal Agreement and proposes that the Government should build on this work as follows:
“1. That the Government should publish the UK’s Day One Tariff Schedules immediately;
“2. To allow businesses to prepare for the operation of those tariffs, that the Government should seek an extension of the Article 50 process to 10.59pm on 22 May 2019, at which point the UK would leave the EU;
“3. Thereafter, in a spirit of co-operation and in order to begin discussions on the Future Relationship, the Government should offer a further set of mutual standstill agreements with the EU and Member States for an agreed period ending no later than 30 December 2021, during which period the UK would pay an agreed sum equivalent to its net EU contributions and satisfy its other public international law obligations; and
“4. The Government should unilaterally guarantee the rights of EU citizens resident in the UK.”
13 Mar 2019
3:23PM
Dominic Grieve, a barrister and a Tory MP, says he has no reason not to vote for the motion tonight, which rules out a no-deal Brexit.
He said that this would mean they would need to request an extension, and that the Withdrawal Agreement needs to be altered to change the leave date within May’s Brexit deal.
Michael Gove is outlining how a no-deal Brexit could hit businesses and trading relationships if they were to leave on 29 March.
He talks about “dynamic alignment“, which is a period by which the UK would adopt EU rules for 9 months starting from a 29 March, in order to allow the UK government and businesses time to adapt to new rules. Gove dismisses this as they would be rule-takers without any say in what those rules are.
He warns that a very low number of businesses are prepared to trade in a no-deal Brexit environment.
Gove has just said that direct rule could return to Northern Ireland if MPs vote for a no-deal tonight.
House of Commons
House of Commons
Lady Hermon, an Independent MP for North Down speaks about the vulnerability of Northern Ireland in a no-deal Brexit.
Gove adds that there would be “particular pressures” on Northern Ireland.
David Sterling’s warning is referenced, and Gove calls him “esteemed” but adds that a restored Stormont Executive is possible.
If the UK voted for a no-deal, “we’d have to start formal engagement with the Irish government, for arrangements for providing strengthened decision making in the event of that outcome.
“And that would include the very real possibility of imposing a form of direct rule. Now that is a grave step, and experience shows is that it would be very hard to return from that step, especially difficult in no-deal.”
13 Mar 2019
3:45PM
“This House has been very good at saying no – but it’s now ‘Make your mind up time’.”
- Gove getting a bit annoyed with his parliamentary colleagues there.
VERY interesting. John Bercow, responding to a question from @angelaeagle, implied it's possible that if the government keeps bringing back the withdrawal agreement to the Commons, he could rule it out of order as it's not responding to the will of the House. Would be explosive.
On this point here, John Bercow was asked if a third vote would be “out of order”.
He responded by saying that there is historical precedence for allowing for another vote.
“There is no ruling required now, but a ruling might at some point in the future be required,” he said.
Gove responded that after last night’s result, there is a series of unpalatable choices, and that the House needs to decide what it wants.
13 Mar 2019
4:01PM
Labour’s Keir Starmer has said that the position in Ireland has been treated “casually”, as “if it’s all about a technical question about a line in the road”.
“The technicalities of the politics of Ireland goes way beyond the customs union and the single market, he adds.
He also says that he’s also concerned that because of what was said in the referendum, “there’s now a license to pretend that real risks and real outcomes won’t happen”.
“The Irish border issue will be solved by administrative measures without need for a backstop – as all parties have promised in the event of no deal.
“The UK, Ireland and EU have all given assurances that if the UK leaves without a Withdrawal Agreement they will not introduce infrastructure or checks on the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.”
The document doesn’t state how they will avoid a hard border if different rules exist in the two jurisdictions.
The Chief Secretary to the Treasury Hon Elizabeth Truss told the BBC that the no-deal trade plans announced today are arrangements to deal with the “immediate no-deal issue”, and that they would work towards and agreement with the EU.
She also said, illuminatingly, when asked where checks would take place:
There are checks going into the UK from Northern Ireland, is my understanding under these proposals.
Would the NI no-deal tariff arrangements mean Irish Sea checks? 'No', brief UK govt. 'Yes', says a slightly unsure Chief Secretary to the Treasury. pic.twitter.com/pxaWkxuBzL
Just a reminder that if you want to draw my attention to something we’ve missed, you can email me at grainne@thejournal.ie, or send me a tweet @GAodha.
Feel free to leave your Brexit analogies and metaphors in the comment section below.
British Doll: A universe where Theresa May repeatedly tries to get her Brexit deal through the House of Commons, with only slight changes each time, all culminating in the same disastrous result. pic.twitter.com/xPDrJ12Vuj
Those no-deal 0% tariffs from goods traavelling from Ireland to Northern Ireland aren’t as grand a gesture as they may seem, says Aodhán Connolly of the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium.
He says that such an arrangement would be “a goldmine for criminals”, and could turn Northern Ireland into “the Wild West of the UK”.
The UK can’t just “piss about for a few more months without aim or direction,” says Seb Dance, a Labour MEP, and also says that’s the general #mood in Strasbourg.
Message from Strasbourg is loud and clear:
No. Britain can’t just piss about for a few more months without aim or direction.
A short extension is pointless, a longer one needs purpose. A new plan or a new vote.
“First of all, there is a supreme irony that the proposals today propose to treat Northern Ireland differently to the rest of the United Kingdom when it comes to customs.”
He says that many who voted against the backstop and the Withdrawal Agreement did so because they feared Northern Ireland being treated differently to Great Britain.
The Taoiseach was asked about the letter sent by a British child to Donald Tusk, which had a unicorn at the end of it. A leading question, but nonetheless his answer was:
A lot of people who have advocated for Brexit have been chasing unicorns for a very long time. As we head in to the next few weeks it should be patently obvious that unicorns only exist in fairytales.
Taosieach says those advocating for Brexit have been chasing unicorns for some time now pic.twitter.com/5ATFVzztGy
He said that the UK’s no-deal proposals are only workable in the short term, and “inevitably, it would mean that Northern Ireland would become a back door” to the EU single market.
He said that after a few months, it would lead for the need for checks at Northern Ireland’s ports.
“Those who opposed the Agreement may find that something very akin to the backstop is applied by the UK government in only a few weeks’ time.”
While the Taoiseach has been making his position on these proposals known in the US, this drama is unfolding.
One of the amendments has been tabled by Spelman (a), but she has tried to withdraw it. John Bercow refused her request to withdraw it, and said others can “move the motion”, meaning activating it so that it can be voted on.
Despite Theresa May’s statement last night saying that there would be a free vote, Tory MPs will be whipped (or instructed how to vote) on the Spelman amendment.
Cabinet members want to support it, but would break the whip in place if they did, so Spelman wants it withdrawn.
Here’s what that amendment means:
Prime Ministers motion: That this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019; and notes that leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this House and the EU ratify an agreement.
Spelman amendment: Line 1, leave out from “House” to end and add “rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship.”
Last minute worry with vote - Spelman has pulled her motion and lots of people don’t want it put to a vote to ensure biggest possible support for PM motion, which will be cast as “no to no deal” (despite nuanced wording)
But there are fears one or two may still force to a vote
Caroline Spelman herself has spoken to Sky News there and given the following as her reasons for not moving her amendment:
“If people vote for the Prime Minister motion in large numbers, it would reveal “the true extent of the Parliament majority against a no-deal Brexit”.
Spelman’s amendment says something very similar to the Prime Minister’s motion, calling to rule out a no-deal Brexit on 29 March, but says it in much more certain terms.
Other signatories to the amendment can move on the amendment.
We’ve had a go of this around the newsroom here – it actually does come up with some compromises that sound like they could be tabled… give it a try, and send us in yours, if you don’t mind.
Sinn Féin president Mary Lou McDonald is in the US at the moment, and has echoed the Taoiseach’s statement from earlier:
“There is huge contradiction running through [the UK's] analysis at this point – on one hand they say there can’t be an exceptionality about the North… they reject that analysis, and on the next breath they produce a scheme that is unworkable and is a fantasy but which itself makes a distinction around the north of Ireland.”
“I don’t think that has the status even of a plan… it’s not a runner. It’s unworkable. And I suspect those that put this scheme together realise that.
It’s a source of some alarm that even at this eleventh hour the British are still playing a game of chicken… I think they need to stop that. I think they need to act now with some sense of honour, and they need to acquaint themselves with reality – and that reality is they cannot expect that Ireland will become collateral damage in their Brexit scheme.
When asked if she was surprised that the DUP seem comfortable with the tariff plan, she said:
“Nothing that the DUP does or says any more surprises me. My absolute wonderment at their level of recklessness remains.
I cannot and I will never understand for the life of me how it is the DUP can tell the farmers of Ulster, businesses in the north of Ireland, students, communities, workers, that this Brexit escapade is in their interests.
The vote on Spelman’s controversial amendment (a) is taking place.
Spelman didn’t want to move on it, so Yvette Cooper did instead; John Bercow explained how this was perfectly allowed, after there was some anger from the benches.
May’s government was hoping that MPs would vote in large numbers for her motion if Spelman’s amendment was taken off the table, which rules out a no-deal Brexit at anytime, not just on 29 March as the PM’s motion states.
In relation to the risk of a no deal #Brexit, I know many people must be very worried. To our exporters, our fishermen, our farmers: the Government has your back. We will protect incomes, we will protect jobs & we will support business, whatever happens in the next few weeks.
To the broader public: the Common Travel Area and all that comes with it – free movement between Britain & Ireland, North South – will continue. That’s already been agreed.
MPs are now voting on the “Malthouse B” amendment (tabled by Brexiteers) which says this:
; notes the steps taken by the Government, the EU and its Member States to minimise any disruption that may occur should the UK leave the EU without an agreed Withdrawal Agreement and proposes that the Government should build on this work as follows:
1. That the Government should publish the UK’s Day One Tariff Schedules immediately;
2. To allow businesses to prepare for the operation of those tariffs, that the Government should seek an extension of the Article 50 process to 10.59pm on 22 May 2019, at which point the UK would leave the EU;
3. Thereafter, in a spirit of co-operation and in order to begin discussions on the Future Relationship, the Government should offer a further set of mutual standstill agreements with the EU and Member States for an agreed period ending no later than 30 December 2021, during which period the UK would pay an agreed sum equivalent to its net EU contributions and satisfy its other public international law obligations; and
4. The Government should unilaterally guarantee the rights of EU citizens resident in the UK.”.
Here’s a good representation of what this amendment means, from the Guardian:
Tabled by a group of Conservative MPs drawn from both leave and remain wings of the party, this amendment calls for a delay to Brexit day from 29 March to 22 May to give time for preparations to leave without a deal. It says the government should then offer a “standstill” agreement with the EU and its member states, lasting up to the end of 2021 at the latest, during which the UK would pay into EU budgets and observe legal obligations while a permanent relationship is negotiated.
And here’s some analysis of the amendment, which has been described as “contradicting” the freshly-passed Spelman amendment.
Jacob Rees Mogg is on Sky News – he says he doesn’t think the Malthouse amendment (f), of which he is a co-signatory, will pass.
13 Mar 2019
7:32PM
He also explains that the government’s motion…
That this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019; and notes that leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this House and the EU ratify an agreement.
… has been altered by the Spelman amendment to this:
That this House rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship.
So the above is the final motion the House will vote on, which is up next.
13 Mar 2019
7:33PM
Jacob Rees Mogg has just said that the Prime Minister is not his Prime Minister, but the Queen’s First Minister.
When Sky News’ Beth Rigby says “but she is your Prime Minister really…” he denies it with a laugh.
When the longevity of Theresa May is discussed, the inevitable follow up question is that who will, eh, follow in her footsteps. Here’s a good shortlist.
Check this out:
Willamson, Mordaunt, Javid, Hunt, Leadsom *ALL* backed the Malthouse compromise
It’s a who’s who of Tory leadership contenders, Cabinet and non-Cabinet
Political correspondents are reporting about abstentions, which could lead to resignations for defying the government whip. Madness.
Reports of chaos in the voting lobbies right now as it emerges that Theresa May voted against her OWN motion to opted to keep No Deal alive. To which MP Jess Philips told her it was a disgrace. “I hope she is gone by the morning, she doesn’t deserve her office.” @Channel4News
There it is, quite a result to rule out a no-deal Brexit at any point under any circumstances.
321 voted to rule out a no-deal Brexit, and 278 voted against that sentiment.
A nice comfortable majority of 43.
13 Mar 2019
7:56PM
Theresa May has confirmed the vote tomorrow on whether the UK should request for an extension.
Crucially, May says that only if the House can find “a way in the coming days to secure a deal… we can request a short technical extension”.
If it is not willing to secure a deal in the coming days, then it’s suggesting a longer extension… [and we will need] to hold EU parliament elections in May.
The House isn’t happy with that.
13 Mar 2019
8:15PM
Speaker John Bercow has just told the House of Commons that Theresa May’s motion for tomorrow’s vote on an extension proposes an extension until 30 June.
There are EU elections in May; the new EU parliament begins on the 1 July, meaning that an extension til then would mean the UK wouldn’t need to take part in the European Parliament elections.
Here’s the list of Conservative MPs who abstained in that final, fascinating vote.
Whoops!
We couldn't find this Tweet
13 Mar 2019
8:24PM
As jacob Rees Mogg was saying earlier, if the UK is to pursue an extension, it will need to change the Withdrawal Agreement and its domestic law, as the 29 March date is in those legal documents.
You can also see the list of 46 MPs who abstained – which includes Dame Caroline Spelman who proposed the amendment that made up the motion upon which MPs ultimately voted on.
Varadkar doesn’t like the suggestion of an extension for the sake of it: what happens next ultimately depends on whether the EU wants to give the UK an extension, and if it does, how much of an extension…
Varadkar on the possibility of an extension to Article 50 said today:
"If there is an extension, what’s the point to it. We don’t want a rolling cliff edge where tough decisions that they have to make get put off until the end of June, the end of July or September."
Here’s a new May-strategy theory I haven’t heard before: May is failing her way to getting her deal passed.
Each humiliating disaster for @theresa_may in the Commons this week brings forward the moment of reckoning for the ERG and DUP; I get the sense many will fold next week, especially after tonight's No Deal vote. Is May losing her way to victory?
There’s absolute fury at the Prime Minister’s decision not to take action against the Ministers who abstained on tonight’s vote (although they wouldn’t have been able to change the outcome if they had voted).
NEW: Tory MPs absolutely furious with the refusal to discipline the abstainers, whipping breaking down - have sent me all the three whipping text messages sent tonight by the Deputy Chief Whip Pincher “could not be clearer” 👇🏾 pic.twitter.com/NSHl0VpD7G
But Ministers who abstained are saying that they were permitted to abstain…
... As the crunch vote approached some ministers were told (by a Number 10 official?) that they could abstain - go to the bar etc - and there would be no repercussions."
This points to potential loss of trust between whips and No10...
This is a good laugh: ”I was in the army, I wasn’t trained to lose.”
As ERG’s Mark Francois tells me he’s not going to vote for her deal if there is MV3: “It’s not a win it’s a lose. I’m not going to bank a lose. I was in the army I wasn’t trained to lose.” https://t.co/sm1FOkULEK
“All the evidence suggests that this impasse cannot be unlocked in a few weeks. London should instead seek a postponement until late summer at the earliest, and the EU should accede to that request. May should then use that time to change course.
“Until now, she has fixated on holding the Tories together at all costs by pandering to the fruitier fringes of the party. Now she must put the UK’s national interest first, and that means working to find a cross-party majority for a softer Brexit.
“Whether that means permanent membership of a customs union with the EU or the ‘Norway-plus’ option of remaining in the single market could be established by way of a series of indicative votes.”
Norway isn’t in the customs union and is a part of the Single Market – it’s the opposite arrangement that the UK needs. A customs union of sorts to avoid a hard border, and to leave the Single Market in order to escape the EU’s “free movement of people” rule.
This analysis from the BBC journalist John Simpson is a nice reflective tone to end the evening on.
I’ve been going through my notebooks for the referendum campaign, looking for any warnings that we might just crash out of the EU with no deal of any kind. Haven’t found a single hint of it. Just lots & lots of assurances that it would be dead easy to negotiate our departure.
Readers like you are keeping these stories free for everyone...
A mix of advertising and supporting contributions helps keep paywalls away from valuable information like this article.
Over 5,000 readers like you have already stepped up and support us with a monthly payment or a once-off donation.
To embed this post, copy the code below on your site
Close
46 Comments
This is YOUR comments community. Stay civil, stay constructive, stay on topic.
Please familiarise yourself with our comments policy
here
before taking part.
You mean face to face interaction? I would think technology as a whole has increased interaction between people , facebook, viber, multiplayer games, Skype and so on.
Granted it doesn’t seem that way with people sitting beside each other both on phones tapping..
There are wide economic gaps between the Republic and North. What does that mean for unity?
Muiris O'Cearbhaill
5 hrs ago
2.6k
28
The Morning Lead
Dublin school apologises after students' personal details were shared online
Eoghan Dalton
5 hrs ago
3.0k
New Town on the Block
Dublin City Council has a plan to create a brand new town near Glasnevin
10 hrs ago
38.0k
60
Your Cookies. Your Choice.
Cookies help provide our news service while also enabling the advertising needed to fund this work.
We categorise cookies as Necessary, Performance (used to analyse the site performance) and Targeting (used to target advertising which helps us keep this service free).
We and our 168 partners store and access personal data, like browsing data or unique identifiers, on your device. Selecting Accept All enables tracking technologies to support the purposes shown under we and our partners process data to provide. If trackers are disabled, some content and ads you see may not be as relevant to you. You can resurface this menu to change your choices or withdraw consent at any time by clicking the Cookie Preferences link on the bottom of the webpage .Your choices will have effect within our Website. For more details, refer to our Privacy Policy.
We and our vendors process data for the following purposes:
Use precise geolocation data. Actively scan device characteristics for identification. Store and/or access information on a device. Personalised advertising and content, advertising and content measurement, audience research and services development.
Cookies Preference Centre
We process your data to deliver content or advertisements and measure the delivery of such content or advertisements to extract insights about our website. We share this information with our partners on the basis of consent. You may exercise your right to consent, based on a specific purpose below or at a partner level in the link under each purpose. Some vendors may process your data based on their legitimate interests, which does not require your consent. You cannot object to tracking technologies placed to ensure security, prevent fraud, fix errors, or deliver and present advertising and content, and precise geolocation data and active scanning of device characteristics for identification may be used to support this purpose. This exception does not apply to targeted advertising. These choices will be signaled to our vendors participating in the Transparency and Consent Framework.
Manage Consent Preferences
Necessary Cookies
Always Active
These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. You can set your browser to block or alert you about these cookies, but some parts of the site will not then work.
Targeting Cookies
These cookies may be set through our site by our advertising partners. They may be used by those companies to build a profile of your interests and show you relevant adverts on other sites. They do not store directly personal information, but are based on uniquely identifying your browser and internet device. If you do not allow these cookies, you will experience less targeted advertising.
Functional Cookies
These cookies enable the website to provide enhanced functionality and personalisation. They may be set by us or by third party providers whose services we have added to our pages. If you do not allow these cookies then these services may not function properly.
Performance Cookies
These cookies allow us to count visits and traffic sources so we can measure and improve the performance of our site. They help us to know which pages are the most and least popular and see how visitors move around the site. All information these cookies collect is aggregated and therefore anonymous. If you do not allow these cookies we will not be able to monitor our performance.
Store and/or access information on a device 113 partners can use this purpose
Cookies, device or similar online identifiers (e.g. login-based identifiers, randomly assigned identifiers, network based identifiers) together with other information (e.g. browser type and information, language, screen size, supported technologies etc.) can be stored or read on your device to recognise it each time it connects to an app or to a website, for one or several of the purposes presented here.
Personalised advertising and content, advertising and content measurement, audience research and services development 149 partners can use this purpose
Use limited data to select advertising 117 partners can use this purpose
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times an ad is presented to you).
Create profiles for personalised advertising 84 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service (such as forms you submit, content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (for example, information from your previous activity on this service and other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (that might include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present advertising that appears more relevant based on your possible interests by this and other entities.
Use profiles to select personalised advertising 84 partners can use this purpose
Advertising presented to you on this service can be based on your advertising profiles, which can reflect your activity on this service or other websites or apps (like the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects.
Create profiles to personalise content 39 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service (for instance, forms you submit, non-advertising content you look at) can be stored and combined with other information about you (such as your previous activity on this service or other websites or apps) or similar users. This is then used to build or improve a profile about you (which might for example include possible interests and personal aspects). Your profile can be used (also later) to present content that appears more relevant based on your possible interests, such as by adapting the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find content that matches your interests.
Use profiles to select personalised content 35 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on your content personalisation profiles, which can reflect your activity on this or other services (for instance, the forms you submit, content you look at), possible interests and personal aspects. This can for example be used to adapt the order in which content is shown to you, so that it is even easier for you to find (non-advertising) content that matches your interests.
Measure advertising performance 138 partners can use this purpose
Information regarding which advertising is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine how well an advert has worked for you or other users and whether the goals of the advertising were reached. For instance, whether you saw an ad, whether you clicked on it, whether it led you to buy a product or visit a website, etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of advertising campaigns.
Measure content performance 63 partners can use this purpose
Information regarding which content is presented to you and how you interact with it can be used to determine whether the (non-advertising) content e.g. reached its intended audience and matched your interests. For instance, whether you read an article, watch a video, listen to a podcast or look at a product description, how long you spent on this service and the web pages you visit etc. This is very helpful to understand the relevance of (non-advertising) content that is shown to you.
Understand audiences through statistics or combinations of data from different sources 78 partners can use this purpose
Reports can be generated based on the combination of data sets (like user profiles, statistics, market research, analytics data) regarding your interactions and those of other users with advertising or (non-advertising) content to identify common characteristics (for instance, to determine which target audiences are more receptive to an ad campaign or to certain contents).
Develop and improve services 86 partners can use this purpose
Information about your activity on this service, such as your interaction with ads or content, can be very helpful to improve products and services and to build new products and services based on user interactions, the type of audience, etc. This specific purpose does not include the development or improvement of user profiles and identifiers.
Use limited data to select content 37 partners can use this purpose
Content presented to you on this service can be based on limited data, such as the website or app you are using, your non-precise location, your device type, or which content you are (or have been) interacting with (for example, to limit the number of times a video or an article is presented to you).
Use precise geolocation data 49 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, your precise location (within a radius of less than 500 metres) may be used in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Actively scan device characteristics for identification 27 partners can use this special feature
With your acceptance, certain characteristics specific to your device might be requested and used to distinguish it from other devices (such as the installed fonts or plugins, the resolution of your screen) in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Ensure security, prevent and detect fraud, and fix errors 95 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Your data can be used to monitor for and prevent unusual and possibly fraudulent activity (for example, regarding advertising, ad clicks by bots), and ensure systems and processes work properly and securely. It can also be used to correct any problems you, the publisher or the advertiser may encounter in the delivery of content and ads and in your interaction with them.
Deliver and present advertising and content 102 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
Certain information (like an IP address or device capabilities) is used to ensure the technical compatibility of the content or advertising, and to facilitate the transmission of the content or ad to your device.
Match and combine data from other data sources 73 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Information about your activity on this service may be matched and combined with other information relating to you and originating from various sources (for instance your activity on a separate online service, your use of a loyalty card in-store, or your answers to a survey), in support of the purposes explained in this notice.
Link different devices 54 partners can use this feature
Always Active
In support of the purposes explained in this notice, your device might be considered as likely linked to other devices that belong to you or your household (for instance because you are logged in to the same service on both your phone and your computer, or because you may use the same Internet connection on both devices).
Identify devices based on information transmitted automatically 92 partners can use this feature
Always Active
Your device might be distinguished from other devices based on information it automatically sends when accessing the Internet (for instance, the IP address of your Internet connection or the type of browser you are using) in support of the purposes exposed in this notice.
Save and communicate privacy choices 72 partners can use this special purpose
Always Active
The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
have your say