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IMC president Prof Kieran Murphy arrives at Leinster House for this morning's hearing. CEO Caroline Spillane is seen to the left. Wanderley Massafelli/Photocall Ireland

Medical Council 'unaware of any deaths' as result of current abortion laws

The IMC’s president Kieran Murphy says the body, which regulates the medical profession, does not know of any deaths.

THE PRESIDENT of the Irish Medical Council has said his body is unaware of any maternal deaths arising as a result of the current legal situation in Ireland on abortion.

Prof Kieran Murphy told the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children that his body had no indication that any mothers had died as a result of the current legal situation, where a right to abortion in limited circumstances has been determined by the courts but does not exist in legislation.

Both Murphy and the body’s chief executive Caroline Spillane stressed that the body would only become aware of a death if a complaint had been made to the Medical Council about the circumstances surrounding that death.

However, both said they were not aware of any complaints having been made to the council about a doctor’s failure to follow the council’s guidelines.

Around 420 complaints of alleged medical malpractice were made in 2011, the most recent figure for which figures are available.

Complaints to the council can be made by a patient, their own family, or by another medical professional who has acted alongside the person to whom the complaint refers.

Murphy told the committee that while the council’s ethics guidelines were not themselves a legal code, they reflected the current legal position in Ireland and that the guidelines were amended whenever the legal situation also changed.

The Irish Medical Council’s submission to the committee on the proposed new abortion laws further outlined its belief that the forthcoming laws should include a clause allowing doctors to exercise a conscientious objection if they have a moral opposition to carrying out an abortion.

However, the council said this should be combined with an obligation to transfer a patient into the care of another professional who does not have such an objection.

Murphy added that the council’s ethics guidelines meant a conscientious objection did not absolve a doctor from their obligation to carry out the appropriate medical procedures in emergency situations.

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    Mute Jim Buckley Barrett
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:13 PM

    but but but Poots took legal advice …… god save us

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    Mute Pete Gilmartin
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:20 PM

    @Jim Buckley Barrett: Did you hear who he took that advice from? I’m not even kidding here, Jamie effing Bryson. The loyalist headbanger. .

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    Mute Eoin Roche
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:28 PM

    @Pete Gilmartin: the Poundshop Lawyer, mar a deir Colum Eastwood. The absolute catastrophe that is the leadership of far-right Unionism, is like an elixer of youth for me today, its like drinking pure happiness. Can’t wait for this Assembly election now.

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    Mute FiannaFáilness FineGaelness
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:45 PM

    @Pete Gilmartin: Are you serious? Bryson hasn’t even passed the bar.

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    Mute FiannaFáilness FineGaelness
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:48 PM

    @Pete Gilmartin: Had to go and Google that… Seems you were kidding, Poots got his legal advice from John Larkin the former Attorney General in the North.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 3:03 PM

    @FiannaFáilness FineGaelness: Yep, but Bryson claimed in a radio interview he gave it. Anything to try to make himself relevant.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 3:12 PM

    @Isa: That’s it, he’d say mass…

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    Mute Angela McCarthy
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    Feb 4th 2022, 4:26 PM

    @FiannaFáilness FineGaelness: No Kidding – Bryson is claiming in todays Belfast Telegraph that he had been advising Poots and the DUP with all the legal implications of the Protocol for months.

    Poots said yesterday that he also received legal opinion from John Larkin but didnt clarify what that opinion was and which opinion he eventually went on before acting. Mind you, I dont think the DUP was ever in the business of taking advice from anyone.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 4:44 PM

    @Angela McCarthy: that’s a scurrilous remark ! DUP take advice from Doctor No.

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    Mute Angela McCarthy
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    Feb 4th 2022, 5:01 PM

    @FiannaFáilness FineGaelness: Bryson never passed a bar in his life, especially when Edwin in buying.

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    Mute Joe Johnson
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:13 PM

    If this judicial review shows that Edwin Poots broke the law then he should suffer the consequences of his actions.

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    Mute Eoin Roche
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:32 PM

    @Joe Johnson: while I agree in principle, he can say it was based on legal advice and legal advice often differs, even though what he was trying to do was a wrecking tactic, it’s probably not criminal. In any case, he hasn’t managed to be selected by his party to run in the now consequent election, so his punishment will be to live on in ignominy as one of the most incompetent politicians in the history of Ireland or Britain. And probably the World.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:14 PM

    Playing bigoted politics to get what you what to the detriment of workers across the whole island should not be allowed happen, he somehow needs to be sanctioned

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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:20 PM

    You couldn’t write what’s happening in the UK at present. Brexit is a disaster and will have long lasting negative ramifications. Throw in the DUP and Borris and the asylum starts rocking to ABBA….
    There’s no one driving the red bus these days, they’re all partying down the back.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:55 PM

    @Kevin Conway: I quote Professor Anton Muscatelli principal and vice chancellor at the University of Glasgow from 2018.
    “the most unhinged example of national self-sabotage in living memory.”

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    Mute Angela McCarthy
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:38 PM

    I think the legal opinion that Poots received must have been given to him at an Orange Lodge, or in a pub.

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    Mute FiannaFáilness FineGaelness
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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:56 PM

    @Angela McCarthy: The News Letter says he got it from John Larkin the former Attorney General in the North.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 1:32 PM

    @FiannaFáilness FineGaelness: Jamie Bryson is claiming credit for it on Twitter

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    Feb 4th 2022, 1:50 PM

    @James Beattie: Forgive me for not believing Mr. Bryson.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 12:32 PM

    Here it is for all unionist supporters to see, the UK government does care about Northern Ireland or even consider it as part of the union. Serious questions need to be asked by the people of NI, and in particular the six counties, if they see themselves as been part of the UK moving forward, with the likes of the DUP.

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    Feb 4th 2022, 1:32 PM

    @Michael: I presume you meant to say – ” does not care” in which case I agree with you 100%

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    Mute Michael
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    Feb 4th 2022, 2:21 PM

    @David Abbott: yes.

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    Mute Michael
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    Feb 4th 2022, 2:22 PM

    @David Abbott: correct.

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    Mute LUCY Thomas
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    Feb 4th 2022, 1:44 PM

    Well that’s embarrassing…

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    Mute Sean Mc Cabe
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    Feb 4th 2022, 2:04 PM

    That’ll poots him in his place

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    Feb 4th 2022, 3:05 PM

    Better call Saul…..

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    Feb 4th 2022, 2:57 PM

    Pussin Poots

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    Feb 4th 2022, 10:25 PM

    The Befast High Court did’nt give two hoots for Edwin Poots.

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