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Nursing home staff question ethics of relying on large nutrition firms to assess residents

Nursing home staff said that elderly residents are being transferred to hospital to get catheters changed because it is so hard to access primary care.

STAFF IN SOME Irish nursing homes are having to rely on large, private nutrition firms to provide specialist care to residents and there are concerns that the practice is “not ethically sound”, a new Nursing Homes Ireland report has revealed. 

Nursing Homes Ireland (NHI) is the national representative body for the private and voluntary nursing home sector. According to the 2016 Census over 22,000 people are living in over 530 nursing homes in Ireland, the majority of which are not run by the HSE. 

Having carried out a focus group in 2022 with directors of nursing from 10 different nursing homes across the country, NHI has stated the Fair Deal Scheme is no longer “fit for purpose”, as staff have serious concerns about residents under the scheme accessing essential primary care, and the effect this is having on their quality of life. 

The Fair Deal Scheme (FDS) was introduced in 2009. At the time, as one of the NHI survey responders puts it, the scheme went a long way to solving the “inequity” in the long term residential care system in Ireland. 

“Years ago, when there wasn’t a fair deal, families were trying to pay the difference. Like it would be six sons and daughters all trying to make up the money,” the staff member added. 

The FDS which is also known as the Nursing Home Support scheme is the State’s statutory funding model to support people to access nursing home care. Through the scheme, older adults pay a portion of the fees for their care (up to 80% of their disposable income), and the HSE pays the rest. 

What the Fair Deal Scheme covers

Residents are entitled to bed and board, personal care appropriate to their needs, bedding, a laundry service, and basic aids and appliances necessary for their day-to-day lives. 

They are not entitled to social activities, newspapers, therapies, incontinence wear, dry eye and dental services, transport – including care assistant costs, specialised wheelchairs, hairdressing or similar services. 

Through the contract of care, residents and their families in many cases end up footing the bill for these activities, services and therapies, even in cases where the resident is also a medical card holder. 

Though residents are entitled to several primary care services, NHI says they are aware that many are experiencing real difficulties accessing them due to community services being overstretched. This is leading to nursing home staff calling in private service providers and either passing on the bill to residents and their families or, for some services, seeking free care from large corporate providers.

This free care comes by accessing the services privately, specifically when it comes to securing visits with dieticians, speech and language therapists, and tissue viability nurses. Those providers include large nutrition firms that will see residents free of charge.

The Journal understands that reputable companies are increasingly providing these services and that there is no requirement for nursing home staff to then purchase products from them.

One nursing home staff member did raise concerns about the ethics of this practice, and about the reliance of private and voluntary nursing homes on companies that provide these services, because they are having such difficulty securing them through the HSE, according to the NHI report. 

“Access to Physiotherapy, [Occupational therapy, speech and language therapy, and Dietetics] from primary care is almost non-existent,

“We rely on nutritional companies to provide a dietician, a speech and language therapist, and a tissue viability nurse, there is no charge to the resident.

“However, for Physio and occupational therapy services, we have to pass on the charge to the residents as we source them privately,” they said. 

The senior nursing home staff member added that it is “impossible” to get tissue viability assessments if a resident is “immobile” and bed bound unless staff enlist private services. 

‘Totally discriminatory’ 

“It’s the same for clinical nutrition unless you use a reputable nutrition supply company.  Which really is not ethically sound but people need to access the services.” 

“Private nursing home residents are not able to access [these services in the way people are able to in] public nursing homes. This is totally discriminatory as these people did not choose to go into a private facility, they chose whatever bed was available at the time,” the staff member explained. 

Another key issue that the NHI report raises is the difficulties nursing homes are experiencing in getting access to GPs for patients. 

“Overwhelmingly, the biggest issue identified by respondents was the requirement to pay GPs a retainer fee to provide care to nursing home residents,” the report stated. 

“GPs asking for retainer fees, GPs asking nursing homes to transfer residents to another GP as they are too busy to look after residents in nursing homes. It could be days before you hear back from a GP and this is after many follow-up emails and phone calls-sometimes we have to ask families to call also to try to get the GP to respond,” one respondent told NHI. 

“GPs are under extreme pressure. Many of them do not have the comfort of having enough time to see referred residents. Very often they are not able to call in if a resident is sick or needs assessment in person. Receiving prescriptions is a long and painful process of sending emails and calling, often, a number of times,” another said. 

One senior staff member said that some GPs are reluctant to call out to residents when requested and that some have refused to do three monthly reviews as they are “not governed by HIQA”. 

Out of 53 respondents who work in nursing homes across the country, 31 told NHI that they have had to access primary care services on behalf of nursing home residents. 

“In addition, some services are provided by medical nutrition companies and in some areas access to therapies is available and within other areas, it isn’t,” the report notes. 

A staff member reflecting on the issue which is causing real problems for residents and their families said that at the root of the issue “private homes are being left completely on their own”, and suggested that some may be under the misapprehension that they have “loads of funds”. 

Staff members also made suggestions on what should be done to try and remove the obstacles that entitled residents are coming up against when trying to access primary care. 

“GPs need to be incentivised to take on Nursing Home Residents. Those in nursing homes will have more complex medical needs, so I feel GPs should have increased compensation to look after these residents” one said. 

Another said that residents in private homes are being brought to hospital emergency departments for minor procedures such as having a catheter change. 

“Patients in nursing homes are valuable members of our ageing community. If some were at home they would have immediate access to occupational therapy and physio from [community healthcare organisations].

The community does not in practice cover nursing homes. This is an area that should be developed. A Community Liaison team should be in place to prevent as many hospital transfers for minor procedures,” they said. 

NHI is calling for a comprehensive overhaul of the FDS. It has also called for GP’s general medical services contracts to be reviewed to take into account the requirements and resourcing of nursing home residents. 

Ultimately, it stated that their focus group and survey of NHI members have shown that the majority have had poor experiences of accessing primary care on behalf of residents. 

“We live in a society that is ageing but is in denial about all aspects of ageing,” the report concluded, adding “a society that has a poor history of caring for older people, and we are struggling to shake that history”. 

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:07 AM

    Jesus, that roast dinner looks crap

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:15 AM

    Roaming dogs with a plan

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:18 AM

    Frozen veg, waxy spuds and a cheap cut of chicken. The dog would struggle to eat that.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:29 AM

    Just like mam makes it.. :)

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    Mar 11th 2016, 3:55 AM

    More like two conjoined heads than chicken.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:09 AM

    Must be the new McDonald’s roast dinner, rotten like the rest of their so called ‘food’

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    Mar 11th 2016, 9:57 AM

    Exactly Jamie.

    Boil the shite out of the veg, burn half the chicken while the inside is still raw. Poisson the potatoes with salt and hide a hair somewhere to be discovered half way though eating. Sunday roast dinner Mammy style.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 11:27 AM

    Where’s the gravy and the roasters?

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:42 PM

    As long as it’s not a curley hair you’ll be ok!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 3:10 PM

    @Alan Kennedy: Je ne voudrais pas le poisson et le poulet sur la même plaque!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 4:00 PM

    It’s a mystery how anybody could miss anything about the food in Ireland.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:39 PM

    Rotten looking roast dinner Bear Grylls wouldn’t eat it.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 6:52 PM

    One thing I don’t miss is a “fat boy junk frier”

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    Mar 12th 2016, 2:02 AM

    Pauliebhoy…
    I am currently working in a remote part of the Philippines.
    If I could get food like that here I would pay anything.
    Even a dinner like in the pic.
    Tummy is grumbling now.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 2:21 AM

    I miss Cadbury’s chocolate, Fry’s Turkish, Tayto crisps and the Irish sausage and bacon.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 2:29 AM

    Good Irish RASHERS.. Not the thin miserable crispy streaks that pass for bacon over here

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:08 AM

    I thought they were Danish now Diaspora’d?

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    Mar 11th 2016, 6:53 AM

    You must live in oz

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:16 AM

    No, Monterey, CA

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:02 AM

    Nice spot Derek? Hoping to get over to California in late autumn And not sure where best to go!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:30 AM

    Check out Irish Grub in Sunnyvale CA .. Best Irish rashers west of Dingle !!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 10:42 PM

    Go to food ireland.com. Everything you want from home and the rashers ain’t too shabby

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:22 AM

    A pint pulled correctly in a proper local pub. Not a bright lights Paddy O’Shamrocks in NYC’s Times Square!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:36 AM

    Worst looking roast I’ve ever seen, not even some gravy to perk it up a bit!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:12 AM

    The sign posts, despite the fact they are usually pointed in the wrong direction, love them. Only in Ireland

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:37 PM

    Only in Ireland? Cos of the two languages or pointed in the wrong direction?

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:53 AM

    Love the Chinese food in ireland it’s pure crap in the states

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:09 AM

    Cat meat???

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:21 AM

    I ngach áit*

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:11 AM

    Many still miss Sally O’Brian and how she might look at you, probably cross eyed lol.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:58 AM

    Sorry but is this an ad by McDonald’s trying to be whimsical about being Irish??? F.O.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:03 AM

    Too many things… The family, the fun, the craic in the bars which you get nowhere else in the world, the friendliness of randomers, the slang/vernacular, the green, the air….
    Not enough to bring me back just yet.. but soon

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:06 AM

    I miss the humour and the music the most!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:02 PM

    The Sarcasm is great …. We thrive on Sarcasm…..

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    Mar 11th 2016, 4:26 PM

    Yeah right, that and your hilarious sense of humour with you thinking you’re another Dara O’Brien just because your Irish, fat and bald.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 11:15 PM

    The 7 red thumbs that’s Ive so far got don’t get the irony of my sarcasm.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:40 AM

    I missed the dark humour, only when you’re surrounded by Americans and see the disgust in their eyes do you truly miss the Irish outlook

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:06 AM

    7. Burgerking

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:06 AM

    Only kidding…. 7. Supermacs

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:53 AM

    Nothing beats the old Burger Land Club Burger. You can fly all year and you won’t bring that back

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    Mar 11th 2016, 4:11 AM

    Whoever wrote this article has never ‘been away’ in their lives.

    Load of garbage.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 9:37 AM

    Things I don’t miss: 1.Corrupt gov 2.high taxes 3.low wages/job security 4.un paved roads 5.lack of health care 6.lack of houses

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:38 PM

    I also don’t miss articles like this

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:31 AM

    Twisty windy roads, the local unusual and odd characters, walking in to the main nightclub or late bar knowing every Tom dick & Harry, taco fries from supermacs at 3 in the morning, the angelus and death notices on the local radio station, neighbours sheep or cattle in your lawn, brown coloured tap water, the rain, the bog on a sunny day… Just a few things I missed when I was away

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    Mar 11th 2016, 11:53 AM

    You missed the death notices? No wonder you were ran

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:15 PM

    Aye, like Tommy Joe past away and my grandfather used to buy hay off him in the 70′s so I was told so I should have made the funeral but I was away.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:19 AM

    People cutting the back off ya…naturally not to your face…must be away way too long.oh and meanies defenitely meanies.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 3:43 AM

    Dairy Milk (yes they’re not perfect but miles better than Oz ones!) Good quality meat and dairy yum

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:23 AM

    Shame on you Micky D’s that poor chap on the ice is not funny in the least. Watching someone else get hurt is not really something to be slapping your thighs to.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:15 AM

    Worst name of all time “mammysdinners” that is just pathetic

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    Mar 11th 2016, 10:38 AM

    Using the US as an example milk and bread are mine. But the holy grail of what’s missed is chipper food.
    Can’t beat Wexford rissoles and chips

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:32 AM

    Scangers

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:38 PM

    They really need a 6 things you don’t miss.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 11:49 AM

    99s

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:57 AM

    When I lived in Belgium, you could not get decent bacon. Bacon, cabbage and floury spuds with a good lash of real butter.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 3:15 AM

    your man smacked his head off te grond. you sick fcukcs

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:13 AM

    Ha you just got reported

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:06 AM

    “What do you miss when you’re away? Let us know down below…”
    I am afraid that is between me and my doctor lol.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:44 PM

    What I miss the most is the GAA, ya can’t beat a Sunday with the GAA & a roast dinner

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:51 PM

    Even the sound of GAA on the TV is unique. If I hear it coming from some bar when abroad it’s like a magnet.Im not even that much of a GAA fan but it just sounds like summer at home.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 6:59 AM

    Where is the bacon and cabbage ?

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    Mar 11th 2016, 9:22 AM

    Looking at all this crap food it’s no wonder we have the highest rate of heart attacks in Europe.As for all the other sentimental rubbish it reaffirms for me why I left in the first place.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:45 AM

    Meanies.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 4:24 PM

    Chicken fillet rolls

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    Mar 11th 2016, 10:19 AM

    Lol my comments slagging the article were removed!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 9:31 AM

    The journal is going irishcentral.com ?

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    Mar 11th 2016, 8:21 AM

    I don’t drink tea! Daft article

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    Mar 11th 2016, 6:36 AM

    No mention of Mammy ??

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    Mar 11th 2016, 4:19 PM

    Sausages!!!

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    Mar 11th 2016, 6:41 PM

    Our youngest in Oz misses Tayto and Bovril and After-8s

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    Mar 11th 2016, 2:01 PM

    Batch loaf, bacon fries and of course a good fry

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:50 AM

    #1 – Schadenfreude. The Germans got there first. …..

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    Mar 11th 2016, 5:39 AM

    Kellys Blackpudding

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    Mar 11th 2016, 7:25 AM

    Roast beef, roast spuds,veggies, and of course Bisto gravy.That’s a proper Sunday dinner. Even better after a few pints.

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:09 PM

    Over priced 10 spots and our 42% taxation Oh yea and sarcasm!

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    Mar 12th 2016, 2:24 AM

    Wexford Strawberries, Wicklow Lamb,the Dublin/Wicklow mountains and of course the fresh air

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    Mar 11th 2016, 1:06 PM

    The weather

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    Mar 12th 2016, 1:41 AM

    Terrible list. I don’t miss much really. Just my mum, proper Irish pubs, and a decent newspaper. Oh and Tayto beef and onion, we can get the cheese and onion here. To be honest I miss the rest of Europe more, I’d love to be able to nip to Italy for a week without taking out a mortgage.

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    Mar 12th 2016, 12:39 AM

    Taco chip! Fake tan…

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    Mar 12th 2016, 12:14 AM

    Irish sausages can’t beat them and white pudding

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    Mar 11th 2016, 9:22 PM

    Tayto and ice cold bottle of lucozade on a Sunday morning!

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    Mar 12th 2016, 12:16 AM

    Don’t drink tea. Hate McDonalds .. When you go away . experience that country’s culture scenery . everything about it . or else STAY at Home ..

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    Mar 12th 2016, 7:10 AM

    2 eggs, 2 rasher, 2 sausage, 2 bacon, 2 puddins one black one white. All placed like a tower on top of one another and wrapped up good and tight. If yer havin some tae the milks over there, you’ll find sugar in the bowl. Says she do you want some sauce on that, says I, I do in my………roll!

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    Mar 21st 2016, 11:31 PM

    People who know its Paddy’s day not Patty’s day!!!!!

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    Mar 12th 2016, 12:47 AM

    That has too be the worst list ever compiled by the journal.and there has been a couple before this

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    May 12th 2016, 11:11 AM

    Hello everyone my name is Leonard Vaughn Dewayne from USA. i want to use this opportunity to inform everyone here that there is a cure for hiv/aids, as i was once tested positive of the deadly disease one day i came across a testimony on how Dr Peter cured someone with Herbal medicine and i contacted this dr toalso cure me and he asked me for few details about me and i actually did send this to him and he told me that he will have to prepare the herbal medicine and send it to me of which he actually did send it within the next 24hrs and gave me the prescriptions,barely two weeks that i started to use it i went for medical check up because i was totally feeling differnt from the way i used to be,and behold i was now tested negative and i couldnt belive that i was cured i went to another check up at a differnt hospital same result negative and i called Dr Peter on phone and told him everything and he only told me to show appreciation to his temple of which i did but the good news is that i am now hiv/aids free and i will like you out there who is suffering from this deadly disease should kindly contact this great man he is real and genuine and i assured you that you will be the next to testify of his good work .contact email: dr.herbalcenter@gmail.com you can also reach him on +2348123051190

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    Mar 11th 2016, 12:57 AM

    He/ she right about the roast dinner pure shit that poor chicken roast dinner is beef for Christ sake

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    Mar 21st 2016, 11:23 PM

    That was the worst looking roast dinner ever. Apparently that mammy doesn’t cook her chicken. A time saver I’m sure.

    First thing I eat is a packet of Tayto

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