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US PRESIDENT BARACK Obama has said he will ask the US Congress to authorise military action against Syria, lifting the threat of immediate strikes on President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.
Obama said he had decided he would go ahead and take military action on Syria but he believed it was important for American democracy to win the support of lawmakers.
The decision represents a significant gamble for Obama, who has an estranged relationship with lawmakers, especially Republicans, and he risks suffering the same fate as British Prime Minister David Cameron, who lost his own vote on authorising military action in parliament.
“I will seek authorization for the use of force from the American people’s representatives in Congress,” Obama said.
Obama said that Congressional leaders had agreed to schedule a debate as soon as lawmakers return from their summer break.
That is not due to take place until September 9. There was no immediate suggestion that the House of Representatives and the Senate would be called back into session early.
There had been growing expectations in Washington that military action could even happen as soon as this weekend, but Obama’s decision means that will now not happen.
Nevertheless, the president also said that he had decided that military force should be the price for what the United States says is the “undeniable” use of chemical weapons by Syria.
“Our military has positioned assets in the region,” Obama said.
“We are prepared to strike whenever we choose.”
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The Egyptian army massacred nearly 1,000 protestors recently, where is the outrage from Obama over these killings, he is nothing but a hypocrite. He is in alliance with a theocratic dictatorship in Saudi Arabia which is supplying Sunni extremists with funds and weapons throughout the Middle East.
If this kicks off I think the whole Middle East will be sucked in – Iran, Israel to name but a few !
How is he hypocritical? The Egyptian army didn’t deploy WMD’s against protestors while someone is using chemical weaponry in Syria. Two completely different things.
You mean Wha’habbist Oligarchy whose more carckpot sons of Jihad are exported into the world with cash to promote the religion of Allah the merciful and compassionate one ala the Wha’bbist version of the koran?
Doubt that lot would give a Sunni one single dirim..They despise them as infidels.
I would rather live in a world where America are top super power, as opposed to a Russian, Chinese or Middle Eastern dominated world.
So it’s ok to kill people by some methods but not by others, nice logic there Jason! A thousand people by bullets are not worth the same amount killed by gas, no? The UN still haven’t finished their report on what happened so who are you to pass judgement on what chemical weapons were used in Syria, and who is to blame.
The Assad regime has done horrific things in this war, but the opposition have done as barbaric acts such as cannibalism, decapitating Christian priests with blunt knifes, stopping random vehicles and pumping bullets into the occupants heads and killing teenagers in town squares in front of the public for supposed blasphemy. Everyone of these acts have actually been filmed by the perpetrators. These are the monsters that Obama is supporting in Syria by allowing the Saudi and Qatari dictatorships to continuously supply arms and funds to them. He uses drones to attack these groups in Pakistan and Yemen yet supports them in Syria.
Pat. Last year CH 4 ran a documentary about the war. In one section the FSA were getting ready to attack SAA post. The commander was in the middle of an interview with the reporter when a group from the Al Nursa Front arrived. They insisted on leading the attack so the commander agreed. So Off the A.N.F. crew charged. But the FSA never moved. Asked why he let the A.N.F. them take the lead in the attack this was his reply. “Let them do the dying. Less for us (the FSA) to deal with when we win”. During the Attack the A.N.F. crew suffered 75% casualties.
Pat, would you condone the us taking military action against those other countries you mentioned?
I don’t condone any US action anywhere in the world unless it is under a UN mandate agreed by the Security Council.
Prince Bandar Bush.
Pat I think you’re the hairy baby maker.
Completely agree! People harp on about America being bullies of the world and blah blah but it’s always going to be someone and better them than the Chinese!
Have you proof of chemical weapons being used? Or are you just going on what you hear?
So Pat, do you condone the potential use of nuclear weapons against Syria? Or any country for that matter? According to you they’re all the same. The difference between chemical weapons and regular bullets is that a chemical weapon is indiscriminate. Drop a chemical weapon on a city and it will kill soldiers and civilians alike but mostly civilians seeing as most soldiers in the world have NBC training and equipment. A bullet, on the other hand, can be aimed and controlled more effectively than a chemical weapon. Potential civilian casualties from bullets are a hell of a lot lower than potential casualties from NBC weapons.
As for the proof that chemical weapons have been used. I think the admittance of them being used by Russia, the regime, the rebels and the US is proof enough that a chemical strike occurred.
Jason, ah, so it’s not how many innocent people you kill, it’s HOW you kill them that matters. That’s OK then.
What about Depleted Uranium bullets Jason? It’s seems to me they’ve had a nasty old effect on the people of Iraq, could be wrong though, as it’s not scientifically proven YET.
Joseph, did you even read my comment at all? I suggest you do as I specifically stated that chemical weaponry kill much more civilians per military target compared to regular munitions.
Golden, I’m sure you’re 100% up to speed on what depleted uranium rounds are actually used for but I’ll say it just in case. Depleted uranium rounds are used specifically for armour piercing duties. Their high density (1.6x that of lead) means that they are great for use in APFSDS rounds which are used solely on armoured targets. They are terrible anti-personnel rounds and are not employed in such a manner. The Russians use them and sprayed a good chunk of the Georgian countryside with these rounds. So far no medical evidence has been shown which proves depleted uranium has any negative health effects but the US are developing a replacement anyway.
” we are prepared to strike whenever we choose “.
This sentence in itself is very worrying. Other than in self defence, What right does any country have to rain down tomahawk missiles on another because it ” chooses ” to ?
Defending the innocent from a murderous government, I would have thought. The problem in Syria is, it’s very hard to identify who “the good guys” are.
That’s true. But I think in an Islamic society is really falls down to choosing between the lesser of two evils. A a tyrannical dictatorship or government by the mullahs. Take your pick. The rest of the world can do business with a dictator, but nobody can do businesswith religious fanatics. Install a representative democratic government and they don’t have the ruthlessness to deal with extremists. The dictators do. I say let them fight it out themselves.
Agreed, probably the least bad option.
There is a Third way Margaret. All you have to do is look at Turkey. Muslim yet Democratic. Eastern in its history but Western looking.
Michael, you don’t have to go too far outside Istanbul to see the real turkey which is western looking only in its chomping at the bit in the prospect of EU membership and migration west but firmly Muslim in every other way.
The army is the custodian of the legacy of attaturk but give the Turks a free vote, they vote in the Islamists. The islamists push the envelope all the time seeing how far they can go with sharia. Turkey is really no different. Army rule or creeping islamicisation as is currently happening there.
@Margaret you really hit the nail on the head there. Both options are evil by our standard, I personally would choose the dictator rather than Islam any day. However it’s not a decision for us to make, just let them fight it out.
Assad is slowly winning the war, intervention like they are suggesting will only prolong it with the same end result, just with more civilians dead, more towns destroyed and deeper sewn suspicions between the different sects.
Not to mind we dont understand the Middle east mindset.They respect and fear a “strong leader” like Saddam,Ghadaffi,Assad etc.The concept of democracy is alien out there..They are tribal societies whose leadership is determined by their leaders strength and grasp and hold of power.Be it a man or religion.
Simon in fairness very few democracies have an easy birth. Take ourselves. We gained independence and what was the first thing we did? We had a civil war. England was the same with their democracy (Royalists v Round Heads), France. The French Revolution and so on.
This should be interesting. The republicans are buried deep in the pockets of the ‘defense’ industry, but will they pass up the opportunity to slap egg on obamas face?
It’s win win for the republicans here IMO
Any chance of giving that Nobel peace prize back Obama?
Until Obama answers for his war crimes I have no respect for what he is trying to do. Not to mention he is supporting terrorist organisations by helping the rebels.
Typical America, can’t keep themselves to themselves.
Actually, I live in the US, and the American people are completely against getting involved with Syria. As is many members of the congress.
This is all because Obama decided to threaten Syria last year, saying they would be crossing a red line if they used chemical weapons, so I assume he feels he can’t go back on his word.
But they didn’t even use them last year. It’s established fact that the rebels used chemical weapons, not Assad.
That’s another spin- Obama can’t go back in his word. Completely orchestrated.
I wanna be clear, When I said he can’t go back on his word it does not mean that I am supporting him, because I am most definitely not!
Thousands of innocent people are getting killed in Syria right now, can you imagine how many more innocent people will be killed when the US get involved?? It is a very stupid move in my opinion.
I think it is a clever and very political move. Obama (just like Cameron) has no stomach for getting involved in Syria. By having their respective parliaments blocking the move, they avoid being accused of personally reneging on earlier threats.
Daniel R, please provide the evidence which proves without a shadow of a doubt that either side in the conflict has definitely used chemical weapons. I’m sure you’ll find that there is none.
Yes Shane. The cheek of them. I mean what’s the world coming to when a dictator can’t gas hundreds of children to death and get away with it.
God, I detest spineless morons like you Shane. Thankfully you hold no office and have no power to decide anything but your own irrelevant opinion. Barack Obama on the other hand controls by far the biggest military on the planet and will punish this dictator for what he’s done. Imagine what would have happened to the poor civilians in Bosnia and Kosovo if people like you were in control.
Hey Shane, I don’t know ANYBODY that wants to get involved except Obama . KEEP US OUT!! No troops, aid, arms, NOTHING. Let those crazies hate us for free
Someone needs to tell them that Team America: World Police is not a documentary.
He knows that he has messed up, time to resign.
Morticia. You really want Joe Biden in charge?
Hilary wpould not allow that to happen.
She couldn’t stop it. If Obama resigned then Biden as Vice President would become President.
Joe Biden is next in line if Obama resigns, dies or is sacked
Biden is “a heartbeat away” from the Presidency.
Come back Dubya..All is forgiven…Ok is Sarah Palin still in the running???Anything is now better than “the three democrat stooges.”
The evidence could take 2 weeks so this is little more than you’ve been a very bold boy Mr Assad
If Obama falls on his sword there will be chaos in the USA and Biden has no chance of becoming POTUS. After Benghazi this administration is just a heartbeat away from impeachment and annihilation
Another warmonger as president. What happened to his promises of a new dawn in American politics? Obama is full of hot air and has no ideas and even less determination to change the administration in America.
Morticia. He is the next in line for the Presidency. That is the Constitution. You may not have thought it through properly. But Joe Biden Would be president until the current term of office was up. Nothing short of scrapping the constitution would change that.
Yeah the cheek of him asking the people’s elected representatives if they support military action ….what’s the world coming to……you’d miss the days when US presidents just started wars regardless of what the people thought…
If Obama falls on his sword there will be chaos in the USA. He is only going to Congress because he is out on a limb. If he fails and is impeached as he should be then the various gangster groups who brought him to power will riot and give him the excuse to rule by decree, let the US hope that he fails.
Remember that Bush managed to get 40 nations to support him on Iraq, Obama has just one and a very iffy one at that.
Assad is a tyrant and hopefully they will take him out
bluemist
what you need to understand is that if the allies do attack oil will hit $200 a barrel and we will feel that in our pockets not just at the pumps but at the shops aswell ………
Are you really saying that he shouldn’t go to war because it’ll mean you’ll have a little less cash in your poca next month?
I’d be more concerned about the mass murder of thousands of innocents myself…
I’d be more worried about what’s in my pocket myself to be honest.
Tomas
I hate to see whats going on in syria but 1 theres no proof assad did this and 2 i’m more concerned about the impact it will have financially on my family
Fair enough but in response 1) True but by that logic there’s no proof he didn’t either and 2) Syria is ranked 35th in terms of proven oil reserves. To put that into context Libya are in the top 10 but are not considered a hugely important player. So what we’re likely to see is a market wobble driven by oil traders.
tomas
this will drag Iran into the conflict they will attempt to block the strait of harmuz … also the market will go nuts and oil prices will go up that fact is inevitable … they use any excuse to raise the prices
He’s trying to save face but realistically he knows military intervention would be a disaster. It would just lead to civillian casualities and increase support for the extremist jihadists and the like. Better off leave well enough alone. 100,000 dead so far, makes our 3,000 deaths in 30 years in Northern Ireland look like firecrackers!
Chopstix Iran won’t confront the American 5th Fleet. It has enough firepower to annihilate the Iranian Air force on its own and add to that there is the American Planes stationed in Saudi and Kuwait.
mick
we have debated the iranian resonse before and both agreed that we will all see higher oil prices even if Iran try to block or not……. mainstream media will tell the viewer they did try and block it …c’mon mick there gona up the prices even a stubborn man like yourself knows that
according to other reports obama claims he can attack without congress approval. He needs the approval of congress before such a thng according to the US constitution
Yep, in order for him to go ahead without congress approval or the people’s approval he can be impeached!
Not necessarlly. He only need Congressional approval to Declare War. Executive powers give him the right to use Military action.
so a president can sign his own excecutive order ……… reminds me of bush jr saying on camera .. i don’t have a problem with dictatorship as long as i’m the dictator …… congress nor the american people want this BS
mick
in fairness if the allies attack .. that’s a war
But its Not Declaring War. Legal technicality I know but there it is.
Anybody like to tell me the difference between war and military action. Sounds to me like the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter – viewpoint.
Military action would be the likes of the intervention in Libya. Dropping ordnance on key targets while not getting directly involved. War essentially means that the government can use whatever means it chooses. By pushing for congressional approval he is basically giving himself the most freedom possible for action against Syria.
It does not make it right …. This will escalate your going to see mass protests on the street we are as a people had enough the world over as im sure the Syrians . Obama is at 41% approval that will drop by 20 % if they go in and there concervitive numbers … on a off topic note some toe rag stole herself’s iphone today its bugging me thats why i said it….. anyway I hope another solution to this is found but I only see an escalation of war unfortunitly
Legal Technicality as I said above.
does not make it right mick ….as i said we have to step back and look at the big picture
Not quite…He can order a presidential executive order of limited military action for no more than 30 days.
After that he has to go to Congress to get approval for further protracted military action.
Its how you bump off a PITA like Bin Ladin,or invade Grenada
IOW he is buying himself time to see what comes out of it,and as the UK isnt intrested or capable of fighting this one,he is waiting to see what the UN is going to say
Congress and the American people can regin him in in 30 days if he goes ahead.Odd dictatorship that one.
bet Obama is a poker player when he is not playing god
So it was ok what was happening until the chemical weapons showed up? Dictators of the world take note.
Whatever about the evils of Assad and I know he has a lot to answer for, but a quick look at today’s papers, and at some of the links to posts in other articles here, it is clear that the so called rebels in this conflict have an agenda of wiping all christians off the face of Syria. Is this what the US and the rest of the West have to offer, support for barbaric cannibals with an utter intolerance for other religions.
Then again, a cute move by Obama, whatever way it turns out he can now blame everything on Congress.
Gary I posted this on an earlier thread but you must have missed it so here it is again.
You are assuming that all the Rebels are Jihadists. They are not. At the beginning of this war 40,000 Syrian Soldiers defected to the Rebel side. Then you have many many Syrian civilians that joined the Rebel side after the Government side bombed their homes and or killed family and friends. This narrative that they are All bloodthirsty Jihadists is a false one put out by the Syrian Government and its supporters. Yes there are Foreign and Domestic Jihadists but they make up less than 20% of the Rebel forces. The vast majority of Rebel fighters are ordinary Syrians fighting to free Syria from family of vicious dictators. When they tried peaceful protest they were met with bullets. When tried to mourn their dead in a peaceful manner they were met with bullets. So the fought back
HAHAHA, this guy again, new account same bullshit, going on like he’s some sort informative authority on the Syrian Conflict, tell this story to the 3 million residents in Aleppo districts being slowly starved to death by your “REBEL FORCES”, no they’re not all bloodthirsty Jihadists but the figures are a damn sight worse than you’re TRYING to let on anyway, nice try no ones believes the bullshit your peddling as a mouthpiece for Sky News and CNN.
Says the mouthpiece of Syria Report and the Assad regime. Btw did I change my name? Am I hiding behind a false Facebook Account like you?
Michael, all I get are the reports circulated in forums such as this.
Can you tell me, what are the rebels fighting for, and who is winning.
Putin says that the Assad forces are prevailing and that for his side to use chemical weapons defies logic.
Other reports provide authenticated stories of chemical weapons in the hands of naive rebels that set them off unintentionally.
What is the true position?
The Original protests were looking to free some political prisoners. Some kids painting slogans on a wall were murdered by the secret police. Later at their funerals the same security forces turned their guns on the unarmed mourners and murdered a larger group. And at their Funerals the same again. That’s when protests started springing up in other cities to protest the brutality of the Government. The Government panicked. Looking at the Arab spring events across North Africa they feared the worst and unleashed the Army on the people.
But People started fighting back. And as it grew more and more soldiers and their officers began refusing to fire on their own people and defected to the Rebel side. Eventually numbering 40,000 troops. By this stage the uprising was well on the way. The Free Syrian Council (Rebel Governing Body) asked the Western powers for help like they gave in Libya. But the West was reluctant to get involved mainly because Syria was Russia’s playground. So the FSC looked to the Arab league countries for help. But they were not willing to put boots on the ground. So the Jihadists saw their chance and moved in.
The Syrian government would have you believe that the Rebels are mostly made up of foreign Jihadists and this is a proxy invasion. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Rebels number in total an estimated 100,000 to 120,000 fighters. The Jihadists make up between 15,000 to 20,000. And of those only an estimated 6000 to 8000 are Foreigners.
The Reason that the Jihadists appear to be more in number is because of the Atrocities they have carried out have been taped by themselves for whatever twisted logic drives them but the Syrian Government propaganda machine has jumped on these videos to claim that All the Free Syrian Army are like these lunatics.
Why dont you show us where you got such accurate info?
Vincenzo. If I am incorrect in anything I stated point it out.
You may want to deny history but you sure can’t change it.
Btw Garry. What you won’t hear from the Pro Assad side is the the savages from Hezbollaha are fighting right along side the Syrian Army.
http://m.dailystar.com.lb/News/Analysis/2013/Aug-26/228632-dont-be-fooled-hezbollah-hasnt-forgotten-israel.ashx
And let us not forget the Iranian troops.
http://rt.com/news/iran-troop-deployment-syria-782/
Garry another guy posted this on the same thread, please dont listen to michael, he is showed himself up to be a bit of a warmonger and is pushing the western narrative desperately and it seems just for the sake of an argument for whatever reason, this link here does show you the truth about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To8MVbmyLYA
Thanks Michael, but it doesn’t answer the pressing question, will the rebels exterminate the christians and when they di goodbycd e ,ll
Gary, that “report” that the rebels accidentally set off chemical weapons is completely bogus. The only evidence provided by that report comes from two anonymous sources which can never be independently verified by journalists or investigators. It has about as much input into the conflict in Syria as a Harry Potter novel.
My advice on Syria, take every single thing you read with a massive amount of salt.
Vincenzo. You admitted that what I stated was accurate. But yet you still try and push a false narrative.
Thanks Jason, Michael, I still don’t know which stories to take with a pinch of salt, those that say Assad is to blame, or those that say the rebels are to blame for the chemical weapons attack.
And whether it is the rebel forces or the government forces that are hellbent on exterminating the christian populations in Syria?
Garry. Then look at the probable evidence. Not the circumstancial or suppositional evidence but is and have be proven.
1) The Regime has large stocks of CW.
2) The Regime has the technical know how and the means to deliver the CW.
3) Not a single person fighting for the Regime or living in a Regime controlled area as been affected by any type of CW.
4) Every single CW attack has been on Rebel held Strongholds.
Now. I could start making Circumstancial and Suppositional arguments as to why it was the Government side but I said I would stick to Hard Proven Fact.
Wonder if the Russians and Chinese will strike back. There’s only so many empty threats before something actually happens
Russia or China getting involved would entail direct conflict with the US which would likely lead to nuclear war with NATO. Syria is important but it isn’t put your entire country in the firing line of nuclear weapons important.
Would not necessarily lead to nuclear war. The US and its allies have gotten involved in conflicts with USSR and/or China supporting the opposing side before. Think Korea and Vietnam.
Be intresting to see how the Chinese would do it logistically to move the PLA up into the middle East to fight.Or even the Russians.They would have to invade and cross about four countries not exactly sympathetic to them either.Not going to happen..Korea and ‘Nam are much closer to Russia and China than Syria
Plus the USSR no longer exists nor does the Warsaw Pact. When they disappeared Russia lost a lot of extra manpower and equipment. The Old Military might is no longer there but NATO has gotten bigger and stronger.
No nuclear strikes but can see the US missile ship getting shot at by a Russian anti missile ship. Plus the Chinese could wipe the US economy off the map if it decides to pay for things with euros instead of dollars. Obama better have a plan B
Russians have direct access through the Black Sea. The Chinese can use the back route in through Africa (where they have been actively investing) or just sail the fleet up the gulf. No one needs to go through another country any more
From the Black Sea they have to go through Turkish territorial waters. Turkey being a member of NATO.
And China have no real interest in this war. They are just mischief making in the UN.
America and Britain love being at war but its the children old and sick who suffer.I bet the Syrian goverment have the bunkers ready.
There is no documented or any credible evidence for that matter of a Chemical Weapons attack as described having occurring in Damascus.
Therefore, the statements from the US President are questionable at best to all but the most dimwitted.
I for one do not rely on hearsay and reports from Congress members in the US who have seen the US evidence of a chemical attack have described it as circumstantial.
Are you still beating that Drum Seorise? The Syrian Government admitted there was a Chemical attack, The Russians admitted there was a Chemical attack, the Rebels said there was a Chemical Attack. The Videos show the effects of a Chemical attack. EVERYBODY but you acknowledge there was a Chemical attack. Can you not wrap your head around that Yes there Was a Chemical Attack.
Really Michael.
Where is there any evidence of the hundreds dying from a Chemical Attack as stated.
Its belony.
Sure people died, and sure it was the ‘rebels’, but the attack that the US is using to launch an illegal strike is very questionable.
Seorise The SYRIAN GOVERNMENT has stated there was a chemical attack. You are just being stubborn. What did 1400 people die of? Did the Angel of Death visit Damascus? Did they just up and die in there sleep?
the rebels admited they got chemicals off the saudis and let them off by accedent
So they let them off by accident in seven different places in the middle of a bombardment by the Syrian army?
a syrian army who was restoring some sort of cop on mick knowing full well that if they overplayed there hand the allies would be in on them like the turtle squad… it makes no sense for assad to do this it beggers believe …as you say and your right they the rebels were being bombarded by assad so it makes sence for them to let them off either by accident or for back up off the allies i dont buy it mick …..question would you agree that the only people too benifit from this is the rebels ..its an honest question
Where did you get seven different places from?
yeah…
by the way
Count them yourself. It actually shows 8 different sites. one on the far side of the city.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/08/26/world/middleeast/Areas-Affected-by-the-Alleged-Chemical-Attack-in-Syria.html?_r=0
Oh right, a Goivernment press release, good stuff, no one in their right mind believes the lies.
Nice try Vincenzo. But your buddies were quoting the NY Times as a source a few days ago.
mick how much xtra you get…. hey i can be cointelpro too if i want but i wouldnt
I dont know what you’re on about i’m talking about the government press release. Highly lacking of any critical evidence. and the fact they havent shown anything of their own intel suggest they nothing concrete, maybe theyre just biding time to get a CNN team together to do some location shots LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTWY14eyMFg
http://theunknownbutnothidden.blogspot.in/2013/08/cnn-caught-staging-news-segments-on.html
Chopstix, it has been made perfectly clear to you that the report claiming the rebels set off chemical weapons by accident has no evidence whatsoever to back up its claims. Therefore claiming that the rebels set them off by accident is a completely unsubstantiated claim on your part which you continue to beat around as indisputable fact. You’re just as bad as Fox.
Team America: World Police.
That is all
here we go again !!!!!
Obama has been looking for an excuse to rule by decree ever since he took up residence in the White House.
Obama won his place in the whitehouse, the previous occupier ‘took up residence’ after he was handed it by supreme court judges appointed by his Daddy.
We can also say the same for the current Monarch,there was ironically some ballot problems in Floriad with Obamas election too.Funnily rater under reported as well by the global liberal media.
It is risky when you take I into account what happened in the UK. Something needs to be done though…
Oh, and “estranged relationship” doesn’t make much sense does it?!
Was thinking that myself. Perhaps it was supposed to be ‘strained.’
The real story of the Syrian conflict: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To8MVbmyLYA
This is a much Quicker way than sitting through nearly an hour of video. Have a Read of ether one of these.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/syria.html
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/from-spray-paint-to-civil-war-syria-explained-in-5-questions-1.1237292
hmmmmm a 47 min vid off golden or mick jordons pro war propaganda BS
Thanks for the link golden…
Genocide Watch Pro War? That’s a new one.
Bit of a western narrative on genocidewatch.org there, have to be careful about these non profit organisations as it might seem legitimate on the surface but scratch a little deeper and you’ll find who is really controlling them.
As it states and i quote ‘genocidal massacres of whole villages of Sunni Muslims’ – well Assad wouldn’t have much of an Army left it that was the case now would he, seeing as 80% of his Army is Sunni.
Again a quote ‘Rule by a minority sect – the Alawite sect that supports Assad – with an exclusionary ideology’ -well that smells a right whiff as it’s well known Syria is a secular country, rule by minority sect? Many of his cabinet members are Sunnis.
On the other hand, we know these ‘Rebels’ are slaughtering entire villages of christians
http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-backed-syrian-rebels-reportedly-massacre-christian-village
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/06/08/224250-u-s-backed-fsa-rebels-massacre-an-entire-christian-village-in-syria/
As I said, the video is a true interpretation of the events that have unfolded in Syria, not an uprising, a proxy invasion.
not watched it yet mick but judging from your comments i prefare an open minded way of things not your …get assad he did i have no proof but i know .. thats your way about it ….golden its top of my list so much info so little time
Americas lack of respect for life is reflected in its own society! Imagine Muslim fundamentalist bombing Guantanamo how the Americans would react and man do they have good reason and sound proof!!
How do we not know maybe the CIA or M16 let of them cemical weapons just to start a war.Them CIA and British secret service are sneaky devils.
For all we know it was Aliens (and the History Channel will no doubt claim it was). The truth is until the UN investigation is complete we won’t know what happened.
Denise I may have disagreed with you on the Irish refugee story but I don’t trust the US with their “concrete proof” that Assad ordered the strike. The so called tapped phone calls show that the Syrian officials had no idea who ordered the strikes either. Now there are stories online about the CIA report on staging a chemical attack to make it look like it was Assad, plus the factual story of turkey stopping Syrian rebels with sarin, so it’s easy to be accused of being a conspiracy theorist. But the CIA did admit their role in the Iranian revolution only last week. As much as I would like to see Assad out I don’t want another clusterf@ck like Iraq or Afghanistan
Stephen in the tapped call the Civil Servant did not no about it but the Officer he was talking to did. As he told the Civil Servant to mind his own business when he asked him what the hell was going on.
Still doesn’t proof it was sanctioned from above. Now I’m sure Assad would discipline the general himself but its no excuse for bombing more civilians with “smart” bombs. I’m not a fan of Assad and I would like to see him removed but the rebels aren’t the greatest bunch either. This has Egypt written all over it
Stephen. There was no denial from the Army Officer as to what happened. He didn’t say to the Civil servant “What are you talking about?” He told him to “Mind his own Business”. As if this came from way above his pay grade and that is why he wasn’t informed.
Mick it seems you have read the transcript of this phone call, how bout you share it with us..?
It makes no sense to incur the wrath of the international community just to gas an insignificant civilian target. Why do it?
Because Stephen has much as these areas had be bombarded by conventional artillery they were still holding out. And that was a severe embarrassment, To have Rebel strongholds holding out in Damascus the heart of Government territory when they were claiming victory elsewhere. They needed these areas cleared of all opposition.
LOL Fantasist Mick, you living this war out yourself, so go on give us the link to see the intercepted phonecall transcripts please
Not to be naive but is there 100% proof that chemical weapon have been used in Syria ???? Just the ole weapons of mass destruction come to mind !
Barry even the Assad Government admit that yes these people died from a Chemical Attack. They want to blame the Rebels but most of the current evidence available leans towards the Government side. Be it direct from Bashir Assad himself or his lunatic Brother. I would favour the brother myself. Very few other Officers would have the bottle to make that decision.
Micheal why I ask this is because it wouldn’t be the first time America started a war over a lie!
Barry I can understand your reticence. But the Allies got their fingers burnt with Iraq. If you stick your hand in the fire are you going to do it again? You can be dam sure that they are going to bring 100% accurate with their facts this time around.
It’s unbelievable how atrociously naive a lot of posters are on this site. Like the world should be f**king rosey or something.
If it’s not the NSA ‘scandal’ (wtf, like you didn’t know a f**king intelligence agency would be spying!!) and you people are like OMFG :O The NSA is actually spying on countries!!!! Get the boat if you are that naive and thick.
As for equating the Syrian crisis with Egypt… they are completely different in that Egypt held democratic elections and no one was targeted by chemical weapons. The Muslim Brotherhood once elected set about installing an authoritarian Islamic state and dismantling the very democracy that got it into power. Hence Egyptians are now outraged. Does this bare any similarities to Syria… NO!
Miller: Obama is mulling the least bad option
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/30/opinion/miller-obama-least-bad-option/index.html
Btw, I don’t think he’s waiting around for what seoirse, golden, durkin, Bourne and a few others have to say. Get over yourselves.
declan
serious talk going on here… troll a differant thread ……i’m sure even jordon got a pain in his left one with your .. swoop trolling..
Interesting piece, I’m sure we’ll see another atrocity pinned on Assad soon, because intervention is most definitely a dead cert, their proxy army is getting beaten back at every turn, they have no chance of winning this conflict without it, and defeat is not an option in the grand old scheme of things.
Chop, I forgot to mention your name. Do you really think that you are engaging in a serious conversation?
Be careful about using the troll word as you are doing some trolling yourself. Goodnight now as I won’t be responding to you again on this thread.
good riddence you are wanted as much as a bad case of hemorides …deco
Obama is a total disappointment and lier! Every promise has been broken! Ending the war in the Middle East closing Guantanamo, civil rights for Homosexuals, jobs, more social programs to help the poor, emigration reform, 14 trillion debt, higher taxes, inflation, the Democrats are like children spending they’re parents money in a candy store! We will be asking Germany for money and losing our sovereignty. Our fishermen will loss our fishing grounds off New England to the Greeks!
To be fair, they lowered rich taxes
Obama is not going to do crap. He just doesn’t want to take responabilty if it goes wrong. Then he can blame congress. He has no spine.
America and democracy in the same sentence? Give them weapons and “aid packages” and then go and strike! ? Goooo team America!
“Nevertheless, the president also said that he had decided that military force should be the price for what the United States says is the “undeniable” use of chemical weapons by Syria.”
- bit rich coming from country who dropped nuclear bomb in Japan over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, over 200K people died, thousands from sickness, radiation, burns, then more thousands from cancers that radiation developed…
Was just watching sky news and this was breaking news.. Think d journo must be psychic
Obama is nothing more than a puppet for the US administration. He’ll do and say as he’s told.
LMFAO
Obama will not let Syria interrupt his golf game “and that’s final!”
Why is Obama so concerned with innocent civilians when he kills innocent civilians with his unmanned drone strikes – FACT!! Wake up people! Can you not see it’s the same thing over and over again, history repeating itself, the same war rhetoric and fear mongering. How can anyone believe them, they have started many a war on a hoax before. Look up false Flag attacks. The Gulf of Tolkin as an excuse to start the Vietnam War for example (declassified fact not a conspiracy theory), and yes there were NO weapons of mass destruction, which they used as an excuse for invading Iraq. There is no evidence that the Chemical Weapons were used by Assads regime, but there is evidence it was carried out by the CIA funded rebels. Why is Obama so keen for military strikes? Does he not realise that violence begets violence? You cannot solve this problem with more violence! How did Obama get the Nobel Peace Prize again?
Has Obama got the guts to take on Iran and it’s allies ?
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