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Patrick Freyne: 'For personal writing, people need to feel they're in safe hands - if you're too raw it can unsettle the reader'

Debut author Patrick Freyne talks to us about his new collection of essays.

PATRICK FREYNE IS best known as a journalist, but scratch the surface of his life and you’ll find lots of unexpected stories lurking. 

Think camping on wasteland with his equally hapless mates in Bremen; working in an anarcho-syndicalist pirate radio station; jumping out of a plane while believing it will lead to his death; or touring with his band in a decommissioned hearse.

The Dublin-based, Kildare-raised writer is well-known for his humorous yet scalpel-sharp takedowns of Irish popular culture (or “taking the piss out of telly” as he puts it) in his TV reviews for the Irish Times, as well as his considered handling of difficult subjects in his socially-driven features.

But for his debut collection of essays – titled OK, Let’s Do Your Stupid Idea – Freyne turns the spotlight on himself. Those expecting to leaf through a book of his witty thoughts about Dermot Bannon’s cultural power or the filthiness of Mary Berry’s cakes, though, are going to have their presumptions about the breadth of his work dashed.

While Freyne thankfully retains his trademark humour (and there are quite a number of genuine laugh-out-loud moments in the book, which often tend to involve his friend ‘Corncrake’), he has also written sensitively and honestly about some of the tougher experiences that life throws at us.

There’s his time as a care worker, where he comes to realisations about how caring – and being cared for – can push people to their limits. There’s his writing about his family, where you sense his respect for his elders and his familial history. Then there are two of the standout essays in the collection, one of which (‘Brain Fever’) depicts his various mental health experiences including hypochondria and OCD, and ‘Something Else’, where he writes about how he and his wife, who is also a writer, do not have children.

Though the past decade has thankfully seen a shift in the dynamics around how men write about their own mental health, the topic of children is something that’s typically seen as a ‘woman’s subject’. But that’s not a binary that Freyne adheres to, thankfully.

Freyne doesn’t write to pretend that he’s the only man who’s had certain experiences. It’s clear that he’s writing solely from his own perspective, and that there are places he’s not willing to bring us. He’ll bare his soul only as far he wants to, which in an age of often over-sharing feels like a generous thing to do both for himself and his readers. 

Just like Emilie Pine’s book Notes to Self captured the emotions of readers in part thanks to her writing around not becoming a parent, readers are sure to find themselves touched by Freyne’s writing on his experiences in this area.

‘I started to get antsy’

Freyne moved into writing personal essays while trying to expand his writing repertoire. Or as he puts it, “I started to get antsy about doing types of writing that I wasn’t able to do in my day job”. He wanted to write fiction, so started “writing really bad short stories”, he tells TheJournal.ie as we chat over socially-distanced lunch. 

To give himself more time to write, he took three months of unpaid leave from the Irish Times. At the start of that period, he spent time at the Tyrone Guthrie Centre at Annaghmakerrig, a residential workplace for artists and writers. It helped kickstart this new phase of his writing.  

His story about mental health, ‘Brain Fever’, moved things forward again. Brendan Barrington of Penguin Ireland (now Sandycove), and the Dublin Review journal asked Freyne did he have any essays to submit. He liked an early draft of Brain Fever, and working on this piece helped Freyne to begin writing more about himself. 

Exploring his experiences with depression and anxiety made Freyne realise new things about personal essays. “For nonfiction and personal stuff, people need to feel like they’re in safe hands. And if you’re too raw when you approach things, I think it can unsettle the reader,” he says. “I realised that humour is an important part of my personality. So when I reapproached it I saw the funny side to it and I started writing it in a different tone.”

Freyne used to think that if he ever wrote a book it would be along the lines of the humour essayists David Sedaris, Clive James, or even Nora Ephron. “I thought I’d just go for funny, but then I thought – no, I’m just really interested in stuff that went somewhere a bit deeper,” he says.

“Part of the way we use humour is we – I – can use it to undercut my points, make a serious point and then ‘don’t feel uncomfortable, here’s the punchline’,” he says of yet another realisation.

I had to remove some of those bits in those essays. When you’re talking about something serious, the humour needs to illustrate, not undercut.

That must be something a little difficult to do, when you’re most well-known for your natural wit. “I’m not used to writing about my life,” says Freyne. “There was no point in just taking a uniform gaggy tone with that. Because some of it is funny but then other bits you’re kind of betraying yourself a bit if you turn things into too much of a joke. It’s no longer real and it’s no longer saying anything interesting.”

Writing the essays meant “getting used to just sitting with things, sitting with feelings,” he says. “It’s hard emotionally.”

‘I knew I had complex emotions about it’

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The book was a chance to sit with emotions it might be easier sometimes to avoid. He decided to write about not having children “because I’d a lot of feelings about that but I hadn’t really expressed them before”.

“So that’s a short essay, but that was probably one of the most difficult ones to write, because I couldn’t… you’re trying to figure out what you feel yourself, sometimes,” he says. “I just knew I had complex emotions about it and I wasn’t able to express them. So I kind of had to feck around with that, and then you find ways in.” 

Freyne is thoughtful about gender, and notes that the subject of parenthood, and particularly the difficulties around it, “has been framed entirely as a woman’s issue, [which] puts a lot of pressure on women and takes pressure off men in a way”.

“But ultimately it means that certain emotions… aren’t being explored.” 

People might think about the multiple complexities and contradictions around parenthood in their own time, but to see a man write about it from his perspective adds a welcome voice to the ongoing conversation. 

Thinking about parenthood got him thinking about how driven we humans are by conformity, for example. 

“The thing that really struck me and still strikes me is that part of what people feel weird about when you don’t have kids or want to have kids and can’t, is that we’re actually… even the most hippy artsy of us are actually really conformist,” he says. “I think I say it in that essay that for the most part, you’re in step with everyone in your generation. You might be a few years later, and you might have faffed around doing something arty like I did for a while. But largely, it’s not madly nonconformist, it’s pretty much in line with your generation.

“And then you kind of hit a point where there is this big deviation and loads of people go one way and you don’t, and then you start realising that all of the markers that traditionally take you from 40 to 80 aren’t there for you. As well as the fact that you might feel complicated feelings about not having kids.

“And I was kind of curious about that. I think I want to write more about that. I said it in the essay too, like, I deeply suspect that lots of people who have kids don’t know if they want them or not.”

He clearly puts a huge amount of thought into what the reader will get from his work. There’s no sense of ego about it. He says he realised his touchstones for his writing were “to either be entertaining or helpful”, or otherwise “it’s maybe self indulgent”.

This perceptiveness about how his readers perceive him comes through in his essay Talking to Strangers, where he looks at the realities of being a journalist. “I’m slightly worried in that essay that I’m a psychopath,” he jokes about his description of how he plies his trade. 

He describes how, when he interviews someone who starts “telling you something deeply emotional and you start empathising… But then there’s another voice going ‘cha-ching – this is brilliant’, or ‘this is my intro’”. He seems slightly ashamed of his reaction, but any journalist reading it will immediately empathise – there is an emotional push and pull to writing about sensitive topics. 

“The first draft had the word ‘sociopath’ in it a lot, but I just slowly thought that was a bit on the nose and removed it,” he jokes again.

Writing this essay helped him to become “much more comfortable now” and “a bit more free” when he’s interviewing people. “I treat the interactions more like interactions a bit more than I did before,” he says.

Writing as therapy

It’s said that writing is like therapy; that it can be so cathartic as to render the writer capable of major realisations or life changes. Some hate this idea, but not Freyne.

“My [writing] was like therapy. You’re thinking a little bit more structurally about things that were just confusing and weird to you and you’re putting a narrative on them. And putting a narrative on them, that’s what psychotherapy does, right?” he says.

When you take a narrative that’s damaging or confusing, and you make something more wholesome out of it.

He found this process “temporarily useful”.

“But then I think what happens is you process that narrative and life goes on,” he says. “Like, if I die then and there it would be, like, ‘right, I have totally self-actualised!’ But I think then your life goes on and the nature of life is that it complicates things for you again. So a year and a half later, I could safely say for about a year after that essay that I kind of sorted out a few things for me. But now a year and a half later, I’m like, ‘Oh no’, because life has complicated it all up again.” 

Before he became a journalist in his 30s, Freyne had quite a colourful selection of jobs. In the book, he writes about his time at a pirate radio station, and gigging around Ireland and abroad while in a band.

As such, the collection reveals glorious depictions of 1990s Ireland, where a tweet was a sound a bird made and an online troll was some sort of grizzled fairy living under a bridge. Ah, such innocent days. 

Did he realise he was capturing such an evocative time in Ireland’s history? “I didn’t think about that when I was writing it, but I have been thinking a lot about it when I meet younger, talented people,” laughs Freyne. “People who are clearly really talented in their 20s and 30s that are much more wracked with awareness of what everyone else is doing. And one of the things was that [time] allowed us to do our own thing.

“We didn’t have a clue what anyone else was doing. Your whole world was built on, like, these kind of carrier pigeons of information.”

With no internet and no constant stream of information, Freyne and pals were, as he details, able to construct their own views about the world – albeit, views heavily influenced by counter-culture musical figures from the US.

“Your own ignorance is kind of an amazing thing. It’s harder to be ignorant now,” he says. “I’d be pretty political now, but we were performatively political. Like we were learning about real stuff, but it was kind of based more on what Jello Biafra had done than Martin Luther King.”

The book mentions a smorgasbord of characters, some of whom have their real names, others who – like the aforementioned Corncrake – have a fancy moniker. They were sent copies of the essays they were mentioned in, to make sure everything added up. 

“There were lots of things I just remembered wrong,” says Freyne. “Our memories are weird.”

This misremembering shows the vagaries of memory, and demonstrates that the personal essay is truly personal. Though the facts and figures might sometimes be malleable, the core of the truth is in the emotions felt by Freyne at the time. And it’s through those honest emotions that his delightful essay collection will capture the minds of his readers.

Ok, Let’s Do Your Stupid Idea by Patrick Freyne is published by Sandycove and is available nationwide. 

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:01 AM

    Makes little cents to me.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:04 AM

    Actually, non-cents-ical.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:07 AM

    euronly making matters worse.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:09 AM

    1s and 2s are so last CENTury.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:06 AM

    Dealz stands to make a fortune. Everthing they sell is marked €1.49.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:33 AM

    Just make sure you buy the products in 3′s and you come out on top

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:00 AM

    Rounding it up and not down I’m guessing!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:04 AM

    Why would you round down from 9.99 to 9.90?

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:05 AM

    9.95*

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:06 AM

    I bought a chicken roll, a large Americano and a muffin the other day for 6.92 – I expect this will soon be 6.95 instead of 6.90!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:07 AM

    It rounds up and down. Australia has been doing this since the early 90s. It’s quite simple. If you pay .01, .02, .06 or .07, it gets rounded down. If you’re paying .03, .04, .08 or .09, it gets rounded up.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:41 AM

    What will happen to the 1c for a bag of dorritos vouchers I’ve been getting on the centra app? Will these go to 0c or 5c?

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:42 AM

    @Jake Race,
    Yeah, but you can be sure we won’t be as smart as the Australians.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:57 PM

    Anonymous Man your 6.92 will be rounded down but if it was 6.93 it would be rounded up… I dont understand why people cant grasp this.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 3:00 PM

    more like round it up to 10.00

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:02 AM

    What’s round & goes, ” grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…” …??
    - a vicious circle.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:40 AM

    Cue Aldi and Lidl taking out full page adds in national newspapers with the slogan “we will always round in your favour”

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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:39 AM

    I alway pay my Aldi bill with a card so will make no difference!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:05 PM

    So?

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:06 AM

    you might lose 2 cent today but gain 2 tomorrow. perfect sense

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:24 AM

    And that’s Karls 2 cent!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 12:07 PM

    If you’re really stingy you can ask for exact change each time it would round-up, but go with it when it rounds down.

    Something my old fella would probably do.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 12:25 PM

    how can you ask for the exact change if there’s no one cent or two cents ?

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:27 PM

    Because there still will be 1 and 2 cent coins.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:59 PM

    According to the central bank if the shop cannot give you exact change they must round downwards.That is why they are advised to have a stock of 1 and 2 cent coins.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:11 PM

    there will come a time though when there won’t be any .

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:03 AM

    This makes absolute sense and works very well in Australia, I’m surprised it took so long to implement.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:04 AM

    Works perfectly well here in the Netherlands too, the 1 and 2 cents are out of circulation.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:23 AM

    Ah but this is Ireland where we will find reasons to moan about it that the Aussies and Dutch could only dream about.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:06 AM

    A trial in Wexford showed that 85% of shoppers wanted rounding off around the country. Is that 85% of Wexford shoppers want it for the rest of the country or was there a general poll done and it’s 85% of the country? It’s a little earlier on a Monday morning for me and maths.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:08 AM

    Most bsiness have to pay the bank for 1c and 2c coins. removing them saves the business money in the long term. I’m sure most businesses would take up a voluntary scheme if it makes them money.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:24 AM

    Robbie you can still request your correct change.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:56 AM

    Thanks lads, i’m not knocking the idea, it does make sense. But on the downside, it’ll be the Trocaire lent boxes that’ll feel the brunt of it.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:56 PM

    Apparently so, yes.
    Which makes a mockery of the whole thing, TBH.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:39 AM

    Prices will eventually go up, they will never bring them down once they get rid of the 1c and 2c coins. The average person will lose out yet again!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:27 AM

    Start a business or something then Steve instead of just being a victim all your life.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:27 AM

    How exactly did you come to that conclusion?

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:47 AM

    Easier said than done!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:49 AM

    @ Tony, it’s pretty obvious, what makes you think the shops will round down the cost of items? Everything will be rounded up when the 1 & 2c coins go

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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:06 AM

    Stop being an average person.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:12 AM

    @ Neal, yeah well I tried the superhero life but it was too boring!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:36 PM

    Lads, if you read a proper article about this, you’ll see that prices will not change because of this, now or in the future.

    The rounding is on the TRANSACTION TOTAL, not the individual product price. It will still be in the shop’s interests to price items at .99, .98, .95, etc. and they will still do it.

    The maximum you will lose or gain when you pay by cash in a shop is 2 cent.

    If you buy one item priced at 99 cent, you’ll pay a euro – you lose 1 cent.

    If you buy 101 items priced at 99 cent (99.99) you’ll pay 100 euro – you’ll still only lose 1 cent.

    if you buy 100 items priced at 99 cent (99.00) you’ll pay 99 euro – you lose nothing

    if you buy 99 items priced at 99 cent (98.01) you’ll pay 98 euro – you’ll gain one cent.

    See how it works?

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:59 PM

    see Grigori’s post Steve

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:05 PM

    My point was that when they get rid of the coins the prices will be rounded up, not down, so the cost of nearly everything will go up. A small amount yes, but over time it’s not that small, especially if you take into account how many items will go up, and how many people purchasing these items means millions more spent.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:06 PM

    I did Tony, but I think most people missed my point!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:30 PM

    Prices will be rounded down as well as up Stevo.

    Prices ending in 1,2 down 3,4 up 6,7 down 8,9 up. Hope that makes cents!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:31 PM

    Hope so Todd, but I’m not as optimist as you unfortunately

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:35 PM

    Tha vast majority of items for sale end in 99. So jackpot for the retailers! Every penny (cent) counts.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:49 PM

    Yes, but the rounding applies to the TOTAL. Yes, the TOTAL basket. So retailers are still incentivised to advertise products at .99 prices, and the clever consumer can ensure that simply by walking around the store with a calculator, they can making a killing of 2c every time they shop. Consumer Bonanza! I reckon I can save 2 euro a year with this savvy shopping.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:26 PM

    If you buy a packet of peanuts in a pub there are about 100 of them for a euro. So a cent is worth about a SINGLE peanut.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:10 AM

    I wish they’d round up this so called government!

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:29 AM

    Mate, it’s too early.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:40 AM

    i wish they’d round down iw

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:06 AM

    And so it begins…..

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:05 AM

    While it’s a great idea, a no-brainer, really, I don’t see it working if its voluntary.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:05 AM

    Perhaps shops Wight stop pricing everything at x.99

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:14 AM

    Why would they? There’s even less incentive for them to do so now, if they can just round it up at the till while still flaggin it as .99.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:08 PM

    The rounding is on the whole transaction, not the product price. The maximum rounding up or down that can happen is 2 cent.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:20 AM

    About time, 1 and 2 cent coins should be taken out of circulation, never should have been in circulation

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:05 AM

    My local shop already just mumbles something about “no change” and leaves you short without asking whether it’s okay. with you. At least now the law is behind them

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:10 AM

    The law is not behind them, the clue is the word ‘voluntary ‘.The customer does not have to agree to rounding if they don’t wish to.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:13 AM

    It will be eventually though. This is the start of it.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:01 AM

    Hmmm, I wonder will they round up or down?

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    Mute talkingsense
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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:05 AM

    You could read the article and find out, just a suggestion

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    Mute Philip King
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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:08 AM

    Hmmmm, but I wonder will they round it up or down?

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    Mute Philip King
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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:58 AM

    Well that went over a few heads

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    Mute Janey
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:03 AM

    Yeah, come on, people! I liked it anyway, Philip.

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    Mute Gareth Wogan
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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:44 AM

    here’s my two cents

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    Mute William Grogan
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:27 PM

    Sorry not allowed.

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    Mute Ariana
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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:52 AM

    Consumers can choose whether to round or not. So it’s basically going to be, “round down? Yes please. Round up? No thanks.” That’s just going to cost businesses money, it may be just 1-2c but with a lot of transactions, that’s going to add up.

    Either we do it right or don’t do it all.

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    Mute Caoimhe Lynch
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:08 AM

    If you check the receipt breakdown it’s actually the tax man footing the bill so costing the business nothing

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    Mute Norman Hunter
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:08 AM

    It’s simple just keep a stock of 1/2 cent coins, or change all your prices to end in .00 or .05

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    Mute Kevin Hall
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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:17 AM

    So the tax man foots the bill when it’s rounded down, but the consumer foots the bill when it’s rounded up?? Strange one.

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    Mute Jo45
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:40 AM

    Unless shops change their prices I will opt out and request correct change

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    Mute Fozz
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    Oct 19th 2015, 12:41 PM

    Why?
    What difference does it make to you if they round off?
    Your comment suggests you don’t understand the process.

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    Mute Jo45
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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:17 PM

    Ah, I do. If something is priced 9.99 that is what I want to pay, not 10.00

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    Mute Frank's Cat
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:39 PM

    Jo, as long as when you buy 3 things costing 9.99, you pay the full 29.97 and not the rounded down total of 29.95, you big scant.

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    Mute Jo45
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:41 PM

    Correct, I will pay the total as priced. If retailers want to stop using 1c and 2c coins they should price accordingly

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    Mute Frank's Cat
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:51 PM

    I bet you’re great craic altogether.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 19th 2015, 7:17 PM

    Because prices will be going up…

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    Mute William Grogan
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:30 PM

    You’re talking peanuts.

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    Mute álainn
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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:51 AM

    Charities will loose out. A lot of people stick their coppers into charity boxes at the till

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    Mute Grigori Rasputin
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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:09 PM

    people will still get copper change, but it will be 5 cent instead of 1 or 2.

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    Mute Niall Carson
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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:06 AM

    Why don’t the shops just charge in 5 cent increments? What’s the point of rounding off?

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    Mute Sam Glynn
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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:17 AM

    That’s what we do in place I work.

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    Mute Fozz
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    Oct 19th 2015, 12:39 PM

    Cause then everything would simply be rounded up 5 cents…OK for expensive things but some cheap items would be increased a noticeable %…penny sweets for example :) (I know they no longer exist but you get my meaning).

    This way prices can be anything and then the TOTAL is rounded.
    Makes far more sense.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:50 PM

    Niall, think about a shop where everything is priced at 3.99

    you’re buying 62 items. your bill comes to 247.38

    Which would you prefer:

    For that to be rounded up to to 247.40 – a 2 cent difference (which is what will happen under this system)

    Or

    for the 3.99 to be rounded up to 4.00 and the total becomes 248 – a 62 cent difference (which would happen if all prices were in 5 cent increments)

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    Mute Cupid Stunt
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    Oct 19th 2015, 9:49 AM

    then they’ll start to round off five cents and so on and so on

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    Mute Fozz
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    Oct 19th 2015, 12:43 PM

    For sure…in a couple of years everything will cost ONE MLLLION DOLLAHS!
    Smart premonition there.

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    Mute Caoimhe Lynch
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    Oct 19th 2015, 10:05 AM

    Our shop has been doing this for the last 2 weeks, and always rounding down

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    Mute Jean Calgues
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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:22 PM

    As usual the Irish Central Bank is lying.

    ‘Rounding up’ isn’t being introduced because of ‘convenience’ but because of inflation.
    The European Central Bank has printed too much money and thus the one and two cent coins
    have become increasingly worthless.

    The more money they print, the less valuable it becomes, and the less you can buy with it.

    It’s not an ‘efficiency’ measure – it’s a sign the Irish Central Bank has reduced your standard of living.

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    Mute Frank's Cat
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:42 PM

    Except that Eurozone inflation is currently running at about -0.08%. Yes. that’s deflation. http://www.rateinflation.com/inflation-rate/euro-area-historical-inflation-rate

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 19th 2015, 7:19 PM

    Deflation happening in Q.E. says that something is wrong somewhere big time…

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    Mute Jean Calgues
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    Oct 19th 2015, 7:35 PM

    The long term trend is always inflationary with central banks.

    Inflation statistics, especially those issued by the ECB, are simply not trustworthy.

    For example, the Harmonized Indices of Consumer Prices (HCIP) used by the ECB
    excludes costs associated with owner occupied housing.

    This conveniently reduces what is the largest share of expenditure for the average consumer and
    thus reduces the inflation rate.

    One of the major factors in the housing boom was the European Central Bank printing money
    which was channeled into property. If the ECB had taken this into account their inflation figures would have shown double digits. But of course they left out the costs associated with housing and so their figures instead showed apparently low inflation.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 19th 2015, 7:50 PM

    Also when governments release GDP figures they exclude inflation from these figures and the GDP figures rise then because of the cost of everything goes up but inflation isn’t added into the calculations. Making it look like people are spending more, that buying confidence is up but it is not because people are spending more that to the increase in the cost of things like food.
    They know how to play the figures…

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 19th 2015, 7:57 PM

    Q.E. creates inflation but in the U.K. it seems deflation is happening. All of the growth in jobs in the U.K. is built on the property bubble and this bubble seems to be based on two things. Firstly Saudi Arabians buying up property as houses not to use but to sell when the price of the property increases, therefore many properties are going to waste and are boarded up and secondly criminals from drug cartels using the buying of property to launder their money as British banks do not mind doing this for them. All of the U.K. economy is built on a housing bubble that they are still trying to keep inflating, that will cause it to burst eventually?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-property-boom-built-on-dirty-money-10083527.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727212/How-wealthy-Gulf-Arabs-buying-huge-swathes-capital-including-150m-Mayfair-property-year-alone.html

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 19th 2015, 8:06 PM
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    Mute Fargo Boyle
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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:11 PM

    How long before they government introduce a rounding off tax?

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    Mute Frank's Cat
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:40 PM

    Not before they introduce an idiotic commentator tax, I hope.

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    Mute Fargo Boyle
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    Oct 19th 2015, 4:36 PM

    Water tax, Household tax,USC seem no more ridiculous to me than rounding off tax. Anyway i’m off out .Have a good evening Frank’s cat

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    Mute Lazlo Saint Pierre
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:51 PM

    So the government is in favour of it.
    The retailers are in favour of it.
    The Central Bank is in ifavour of it.
    Even Ronnie O’Toole is in favour of it.

    There is something fishy going on here – there may be savings to be had somewhere in all of this but they won’t be savings for the consumers. Presumably, in the longer term, the 1c and 2c coins will be gone entirely and then what will the prices be?

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    Mute Frank's Cat
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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:54 PM

    See above. Everything will cost a bazillion euros.

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    Mute John Reid
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    Oct 19th 2015, 3:12 PM

    Won’t this move by the Government and the Central Bank contribute to inflation? “Rounding off” will inevitably be done in an upward direction, almost never in a downward direction.

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    Oct 19th 2015, 2:04 PM

    100% of retailers are in favour of the national rollout of this scheme following the successful trial in Wexford in 2013. Think of the amount of products on sale ending in 99. They’re delighted!!! Saying that it’s a great idea, it has worked well in Oz and it will drastically reduce the volume of unwanted coppers accumulating across the country amongst others things. 5c – you’re next!

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Oct 19th 2015, 7:17 PM

    It will be like when they brought in the Euro first, they said the same thing and the prices went up and not down…

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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:26 AM

    What will happen to those of us who pay by card?
    I presume that my bill of, say €12,34 will go through my account as €12.34, but the person behind me – buying the exact same items, and paying with a €10 and a €5 will be given change of €2.65 – losing a cent in the process.

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    Mute Reg
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    Oct 19th 2015, 11:42 AM

    What will happen to those of us who pay by card? Nothing!

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    Mute Peter
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    Oct 19th 2015, 1:26 PM

    They should start with the point of a cent at petrol and diesel pumps. But now I’ll be making sure it give myself 2c free to have it rounded down. :-P

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