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RTÉ HAS PUBLISHED its ‘poll of polls’, which is based on a number of the surveys run by other media outlets and polling companies in the course of the local and European election campaign.
As you might expect, it contains little good news for the two coalition parties.
Compared to the 2011 General Election, Fine Gael could lose a third of its support on Friday, while Labour could say goodbye to two-thirds of their support, RTÉ says.
The state of the parties (based on a sample of over 5,000)
FG – 24 per cent (down 12 points on the general election)
Labour – 7 per cent (down 12)
FF – 22 per cent (up five)
SF – 22 per cent (up 12)
Independents & Others – 26 per cent (up 8)
European & local voting intentions (based on a 9,000 sample)
FG – 26 per cent (down 3 since 2009)
Labour – 7 per cent (down 7)
FF – 23 per cent (down one)
SF – 17 per cent (up 6)
Independents & Others – 27 per cent (up five)
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Labour – covered up the torture, grooming and rape of over 1,400 native Britons. UKIP have a long way to go to reach that level of controversy. But you won’t write about that, will you?
I’ve seen at least two articles about that other controversy here.
A whole two! Mass grooming and rape of vulnerable minors completely overlooked, ignored and allowed continue by a predominantly Labour council – two articles. An endless stream of anti UKIP articles ’cause of some foolish remarks made by low level members.
Perspective.
Low level members selected by high level members that is, there is a distinctive line visible that for some reason , the mind frame of these people (not all) is on the far right a.k.a. fascist corner.
Native Britons? Not just Britons?
Low level members? When did MEPs and the General Secretary become low level members of a party? They build their appeal by guiding their message to the basic, vile instincts of a certain type of voter.
What are ‘native’ Britons?
@Gerry – when you become a distinct minority in your own area, we’ll see how your instincts react.
There’s been a smear campaign against nidge and UKIP for some time. So called right wing papers like the dailymail are even involved. The latest piece was C4s hitpiece on them. Most people can see through it.
Most people see UKIP for what they are. As the results of the election will show.
@vanguard, become a minority of what? Human beings? That the area will be over ran by the animal kingdom rather than fellow members of the human race?
White Britons are now a minority in their own capital city. Is this what we want to replicate here in Ireland?
“The consequence, as revealed by the latest census, is that white Brits are now in a minority in London, making up just 45% of its residents.”
“White Brits”? Seriously? How many of the other 55% of the population in London are British citizens born and raised in England, but of the course they are not white. I’d have no issue with an Irish citizen living anywhere in this country, my decision on whether I like them won’t be made on skin colour. You neglected to mention that the others conclusion is that many people took the substantial capital in their homes due to higher prices in London and took the chance to move to the country, a conclusion based on a lifestyle choice rather than a dislike of their neighbours. Didn’t suit your implication I suppose.
It’s a scandal what is being done to the tibetans, but sure s
ince its the English sure that’s grand eh. The racism is a bit much.
It’s called White flight, Gerry. It’s happening in Ireland too. I refer you to the RTE Primetime show on White Flight in North and West Dublin. Caused by open border loons such as yourself.
@ Jay here’s another story on the same topic with different conclusions, which you should read
(you could also read the entire article you cherry picked your headline from)
http://www.newstatesman.com/staggers/2013/02/truth-about-londons-white-flight
I never mentioned anything about open borders. I asked you how many of the 55% of the non white population are also “Brits”, that has nothing to do with open borders. They are British citizens, end of. Your implication is that the 55% are all non white foreign nationals. 59% of the population of London is actually white, just not all of them British ( 129,000 of them Irish, maybe its us the white flight is from ). You’ve taken stats and used them for your own narrative without looking deeper at the true figures. I believe in certain controls in the influx of other nationalities into this country, but not with the type of implications you attach. And the white flight you describe is people moving on for a better life outside the rat race in London, many nationalities do it, just you will find that long term settled white population will have the more opportunities because of their better financial status.
Native/indigenous Brits are a minority in their own capital city. That’s a fact. We are on a similar trajectory. Is that what the Irish people want? To be mere minorities in their own native land?
Gerry would have the reader believe that the 800,000 White Brits who left London did so as they decided, en masse, to give country life a whirl.
Gerry could say mass.
63% of Londoners are British born, that’s not a minority. I assume indigenous to you means white rather than someone of a different colour having the temerity to be born in a country that according to your view by virtue of their skin colour they shouldn’t be living in? What do you have to say about the 129,000 Irish living there? Should they all be deported back to Ireland?
I’m not saying all, I’m sure a sadly large proportion held equally nauseous opinions like yours.
Are the Native Americans ‘racist’ for referring to themselves as indigenous? What anout the Aborigines in Australia? The Koreans? The Han Chinese? Or is it only when native Europeans use the term to rightfully describe themselves that you get all outraged?
The term indigenous when describing White Britons is factually correct. Nothing racist about it what-so-ever.
The Irish are a minority in an electoral ward in inner city Dublin. The Dubs, world renowned farming enthusiasts, must have taken a leaf out of the Londoners book and all relocated down the country. Same in enclaves in West and North West Dublin where the Irish are also minorities.
The world according to Gerry. Like your namesakes, you’re a spoofer.
Ok, if that’s the route you want to go then you’re really going to have to become very choosy. By indigenous Britons I assume by your comparison you mean Britons who have lived on the island since the beginning of time. Therefore you will be weeding out anyone of Roman descent. Oh, and the Anglo Saxons ( all of Germanic descent just to help you out ). Going to really thin out the population of London there but I’m guessing the indigenous Brits left will be delighted as it will be much easier to get around a less crowded city.
I’m giving you facts, you just don’t appear to like them. I am willing to listen to you actual facts and the numbers on the enclaves in Dublin you refer to
No one called you racist as far as I can see.
‘British’ isn’t a race. It’s a nationality.
Colour of skin is irrelevant to being British. ‘White Britons’ is a redundant term.
Ted Hagan,
If I asked you what a native Cherokee person was, or a Native NewZealand person was, you’d know exactly who I was talking about. Why is it that it seems Europeans aren’t allowed to have their own ethnicity? Why is it everyones right to call themselves “native” Briton, or “native” French, or Irish or German….?
@pat, I’m a native Irish man but I would never refer to myself as a “white Paddy”. Many of the “white Brits” Jay McGregor is arguing for are of Roman and Germanic descent. How do you define a native anything. It can be hugely subjective.
So then there is no such thing as a native American. All of the European colonisers who were were born in the nations they colonised are “native” to that land?
I refer to myself as Irish. There is no need to state the colour, because you cannot be ethnically Irish and black at the same time. (black Irish referring to having spanish blood doesnt count as “black” ;) )
As I said, we have always been European. Norman, Celts, Vikings, English, Scots, Huguenots…all white. That is what makes the Irish ethnicity. A child born here to Chinese parents, or a child born here to African parents might be civically “Irish” via citizenship, but they aren’t ethnically Irish.
Just like if two pasty face redheads move to japan tomorrow from Galway, and have a child, the child doesn’t become ethnically Japanese just because it was born there. Understand?
Immigration into Britain historically was nowhere near as high as it is today. In David Goodharts book, The British Dream: Success and Failures of Post-War Immigration, we learn that during nu-Labours reign, there had been more migrants let into Britain annually, than between 1066 and 1950 in total.
I think that if you can trace your ancestry back 1,000 years, you can quite reasonably consider yourself indigenous. So my use of the term is apt.
@ Pat, out of everyone you mentioned the only truly indigenous Irish are the original Celts, everyone else came in from outside the Island over the years. And you stated native and now are referring to ethnicity, two completely different things.
@ Jay, immigration is higher in most of Europe now due to the more open border policy under EU rules, a policy I don’t agree with because of the easy access criminals have to go across borders. And can you say you are indigenous Irish, is there no drop of Norse blood somewhere in you? I can’t say what my bloodline is like 1000 years back. And most of your so called indigenous Brits would have all sorts of Roman and Anglo Saxon blood in their ancestry so you will find very few Brits qualify as indigenous.
I agree it is a lot and I’m not a fan of UKIP. But you have to temper this with the fact that many scandals involving other parties are not deemed news worthy. The biggest story involving political parties in the UK ever, is the abuse and murder allegations that goes strait to the center of British politics. There has been vary low level coverage of that in the media, considering how serious it is.
Well said, the journal is attempting to destroy the reputation of UKIP based on certain things some of their members have said. It’s never about policy that they are attacked. Where’s the articles bashing establishment parties based on actual policy?
UKIP dont have policies. They’re a crowd of closeted racists. Farage once blamed the traffic jams on immigrants.
Actually, he blamed gridlock on the motorways on mass immigration.
the same mass immigration that is creating more than 20,000 new patients in the NHS – a week.
Even the BBC reported THAT.
At the rate its going England will be the most densely populated country in Europe by the end of the next decade, outstripping the Netherlands and Luxembourg.
As the native population is falling, how do you think that is happening?
Whats with the journal’s current obsession with UKIP?
Its a lot of interest for the 3rd party in the UK from an Irish news site
Journal.ie is styling itself as huffed/guardian so has to promote liberal causes at every turn and smear conservatives when ever it gets the chance.
What’s the relevance of this article? Were we invaded overnight? We don’t have to look too far to see politicians behaving badly, at least they seem to resign when caught.
Precisely. You have to ask yourselves why is the journal picking – there’s no other word for it – on a party in a foreign country? And how biased can you get? Appalling journalism.
Probably in light of the documentary just released on UKIP I’d imagine.
The problem for the mainstream parties and their media buddies is that UKIP are right most of the time
Ah.. What you’ve done there is confuse ‘right’ with ‘racist, homophobic, bigoted & populist’. Easy mistake to make.
We’ll see how right they are when it comes to an election. Three seats if they are Lucky. They are an insidious party, riddled with racists, who prey on the genuine fears of many decent people, helped by the incompetency of the main British parties.
No you’ve confused “right” with “right wing” most of the time.
More likely 2, they are at risk of loosing one of their bi-election seats
About 3.5 million people are set to vote for UKIP, according to the latest polls.
About 3.5 million people are set to vote for Liberal Democrats.
Lid/Dem will get about 28 MPs, while UKIP will get about two.
The first-past-the-post system is clearly flawed.
The party that gets the most votes is always Conservative, so it always works against them too.
UKIP have spread themselves too thinly.
Labour have worked the system in concentrating on urban areas, and then allowing open immigration to those areas to secure votes in future elections.
However, Labout are facing virtual wipe-out in Scotland from the SNP, so it looks like a Lbour/Lib Dem coalition next parliament. That, or possibly Labour/SNP.
If the latter, it’s goodbye Scotland as the SNP will demand another referendum, and they’ll win.
If the SNP side with Labour, they may well demand another referendum. However, the SNP aren’t that stupid, and know right well that if they go into a coalition with labour they’ll lose all respect from scottish voters and would probably end up as a minority party within Scotland again. They’re in a position of power right now and many are voting for them for the precise reason that they don’t want a labour government. They told us there wouldn’t be another referendum, and they’ll stick to that and continue trying to ride the momentum generated by the last one for the foreseeable future.
If the SNP play their cards right and there’s another referendum in 20 years, Scotland will be independent. Until then it’s in their best interests to keep everybody on their side. Scotland is in a pretty volatile place right now politically, and trying their utmost to push through another referendum as quickly as possible is going to lead to actions that will upset a large proportion of their voters.
The UK doesn’t have STV unlike Ireland.
Aren’t they politicians ? So in other words, they’re all cut from the same cloth. Party, race, religion, creed or ethnic background, they’re all the same. Untrustworthy leeches who bleed the common man/woman dry.
This will usually happen when the media target them as the enemy of the wealthy status quo
SF would give them a lesson in controversy
Hatchet job just like the drama/documentary on Channel 4 last week.
So are you saying that all the UKIP members listed didn’t say or do what was reported above? The report is in fact a lie?
Padriag what I’m saying is this . Hatchet job just like the drama/documentary on Channel 4 last week.
No kangaroo courts, links to terrorism, denial of the latter, etc. Amateurs.
UKIP have them rattled and rightly so and just like our media do here they will hunted for every scandal that can discredit them .
There’s a lot wrong with Irish politics, but at least we don’t have eejits like these who claim they’re fighting political correctness when espousing their bigotry
There is that type of lunacy over here. I can see similar levels of crap from FF candidates etc.
FG FF LAB SF , predominately white male politicians with a few chosen token women allowed by party selection.
Look at the racial and gender makeup of UKIP before you spout your self righteous nonsense .
Deco, I’ll look at the amount of UKIP reps who make racist and bigoted statements. I’ll look at the policies of the party. Their rhetoric and scaremongering. Just because Farage has an upper class accent doesn’t mean he’s any less slimy than the rest of them.
And a snake oil city spiv to boot…. union jack boot!
In the absence of good honest leaders we end up with an assortment of oddities with no sense of common good or decency with narrow agendas that will lead nowhere except to confusion.
Look no further than Leinster House.
New Labour bombed Serbia for protecting itself
Why would any sane person vote for Uneducated Knobs in Pyjamas (UKIP)
Maybe because they aren’t economic illiterates and don’t like an un-ending stream of migrants, driving up housing costs, straining services and changing the job market. Plus a lot of people don’t like their towns changing so much so that in some places you would think you are in Pakistan, Poland or Nigeria.
Refreshing manifesto, when’s the Republic of kip party in Ireland starting
The interesting thing about the TV programme Meet The Ukippers is that the party, for alls its claims of straight talking, seemed primarily concerned that its members didn’t express racist views in front of the cameras. So much for honesty.
While I personally can’t stand UKIP or what they represent, I like that they provide an alternative to the usual trash on offer. People need that alternative (we don’t have it in Ireland) and I would respect any election result in a democracy.
UKIP managed to be offended and offensive at the same time.
UKIP is a silly party of silly people in a constant state of indignation and resentment over anything vaguely progressive.
In Ireland we don’t have a UKIP type party but FG provides a home for such people who are constantly denouncing and complaing about anything vaguely reformist in nature.
UKIP. Tories with the gags off.
Nothing new here folks. Moseley failed just as the Toad will with his party of cranks.
Though he will not come out of his freak show empty handed. And that folks, is the nature of the beast. Poop poop.
Who would have thought a party whose policies are called racist, sexist, and bigoted would attract so many racist, sexist, bigoted members.
Denise like educated knobs
The media have it in for Ukip, which is why so many contrived “controversies” appear out of the woodwork. This is all the more reason why British subjects should vote for Ukip in that country’s general election this May.
The dismantling of native Europe accelerates.
The masses are programmed to promote its own destruction and lash out at those who shout out the obvious truth.
The nation at the meeting of the continents has great plans for its future and threats are being eliminated with soft ethnic cleansing.
Maybe they should try Charlie Haughey’s approach – never apologise, never explain.
I think it’s an entertaining article. Some of you are just moaning because it’s not relevant. Most things in the news doesn’t directly affect most of us. Don’t read it if you don’t want to. Stop whining!
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