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A NUMBER OF pro-life groups are planning to display graphic images at anti-abortion events in Ireland and the UK today.
The ‘education projects‘ are set to be held outside airports in Belfast and Manchester, and on Dame St in Dublin city centre this afternoon.
The organisations involved say the move is in response to the recent decision by the British government to pay for abortions for women travelling from Northern Ireland to England for the procedures.
The events are being organised by the Irish Centre for Bio-Ethical Reform (ICBR), Precious Life (based in Northern Ireland) and Abort67 (based in England).
The ICBR says the demonstrations will feature displays of “large graphic images of aborted babies, to show the humanity of the unborn child and expose the horrific reality of abortion which the abortion industry strives to keep hidden from Irish women travelling to England for the procedure”.
The events, which will be happening at various times from noon to 4pm, will be livestreamed on the groups’ Facebook pages.
Similar events were planned to take place at Dublin and Cork airports but, as previously reported by TheJournal.ie, did not receive permission from the airports.
Bernadette Smyth, director of Precious Life, said the British government’s decision to fund abortions for women from Northern Ireland is “outrageous”.
“We are standing outside Belfast International Airport to show women the truth about abortion, before the abortion providers lie to them about what abortion actually does to them and their baby,” Smyth said.
Abort67 spokesperson Ruth Rawlins stated that the British government’s decision is ”about the abortion industry expanding business and increasing profits off the blood of Irish babies”.
‘Consumer protection initiative’
In a statement, Jean Simonis, director of the ICBR, noted: “Most abortions on Irish women in the UK are performed by BPAS (the British Pregnancy Advisory Service) or Marie Stopes. That is why we are joining together to stand as part of a consumer protection initiative.
“We will show their ‘consumer client’ what they would never dare to – abortion reality. Some women who see the images will change their minds, which those businesses that profit from abortion don’t want.”
In response to criticism about using graphic images at the events, Simonis said: “This is not a demonstration but education so women are informed about the choice they are making.
We don’t have to protest abortion. We simply hold up the image of an aborted baby and abortion protests itself.
“If we find it so distressing to look at abortion photos, why would we tolerate abortion practice? If showing this is way too awful, then why do we make it lawful?”
‘Targeting women’
Responding to the planned events, a BPAS spokesperson told TheJournal.ie: “In targeting women on the day they know many will be travelling to access the care they are denied at home these groups aren’t showing respect for human life, but utter disregard for the lives of women.
The live-streaming on Facebook is a tactic deliberately designed to intimidate and threaten, by making women fear their identity will be compromised. These protesters have every right to campaign against the reform of abortion law that public opinion increasingly supports – but to treat women in this way is quite simply contemptible.
A spokesperson for Marie Stopes International said: “Women’s choices should be respected and supported, not opposed. While we are confident that this demonstration will do nothing to change women’s minds about whether or not to go ahead, the fact remains that no woman makes this decision lightly and the protesters are just making a difficult day even tougher.
“It’s a hugely positive step forward that women in Northern Ireland who are UK citizens and taxpayers are now able to access free abortions on the NHS. However, they are still faced with the cost and stress of travelling to the mainland in order to receive safe, legal healthcare,” the spokesperson added.
Thousands of women travelling to the UK
Figures released by the UK Department of Health last month show that 3,265 women and girls travelled from Ireland to the UK for abortions in 2016. That means Irish females accounted for almost seven in 10 (67.9%) of the non-resident abortions carried out in Britain last year.
The figures show that a further 724 women gave addresses from Northern Ireland.
Also in June, the UN Human Rights Committee found that Ireland’s abortion legislation violated the human rights of a woman.
The finding was made in relation to the case of Siobhán Whelan, who was denied an abortion in 2010 after the diagnosis of a fatal foetal abnormality. It echoes the same committee’s June 2016 decision in the case of Amanda Mellet, who chose to travel to the UK to have a termination. In November, the State offered to pay her €30,000 in compensation.
A referendum on repealing the Eighth Amendment, which gives equal status to the life of the unborn and the mother, is set to take place in the Republic next year.
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Have they nothing better to be doing, than to be terrorising women?
@Lucy Legacy: They do, saving babies lives.
@Ballybunion: who’s killing babies? You should report that to the police
@Ballybunion: or Gardaí, depending on which protest location you’re reporting it from
@Lucy Legacy: Clearly not but let them do what they want and try not feed into it by trying to reason with the unreasonable. They clearly don’t have an ounce of compassion for those who may have to travel for the most distressing of reasons. Abortion is not a black and white issue by any means and I wait for the day that more people open their minds and see the many shades of grey there is with such issues.
@Lucy Legacy: Well, they also support child abuse and go to ‘Mass’.
@Lucy Legacy: What about the death of a child as that would upset many mothers in this country?
@Atheos Euripides: No need to be glib. People who are pro-life are bnot pro child abuse. Abortion is a serious and complicated issue and crude generalisation is not helping anyone.
@Lily Martin: Not being glib at all, being glib is siding with people who forgive clerical child rape, and marching alongside them, without any scruples.
@Lily Martin: and pro choice dont suggest every pregnant woman have an abortion…..how about let the people most intunend with the situation decide??
@Atheos Euripides: oh aye .
@Alois Irlmaier: I know English isn’t your first language but you need to get it right, children and foetus’ are not the same thing. Children don’t live in the womb. Foetus’ do
@Alois Irlmaier: Are you actually saying that a death of a child is on par with the removal of a foetus from a woman’s womb ? You poor pet.
@Lucy Legacy: What about the terrorized baby in the womb
@cormac o neill: A foetus in the first trimester has no awareness or feeling of anything.
@cormac o neill: there’s never in recorded history been a baby in a womb, never mind a terrorised one
@DaisyChainsaw: Ah piss of you
@cormac o neill: aww poor baby can’t handle facts.
@Dave O Keeffe: I don’t know Dave, I’ve never been asked or heard anyone else asked when their fetus was due.
@Jane: because upon arrival it’s a baby. It’s not that difficult.
@Dave O Keeffe: ok well put another way, I’ve never heard any woman say their fetus is kicking.
@Jane: Dave still believes that the stork brings the baby to the mother. Apparently there are a lot of foetuses in maternity wards because they were born before 40 weeks or is it that over due babies are still foetuses until they are on the other side of the belly. Ah well I suppose if you can’t see it then it doesn’t exist.. so simple
@John Mullin: when you don’t live in someone else then you become a person, it’s not that tricky. Also Jane, expecting parents have an emotional attachment, emotion while real is not factual. For example, I call my dads sisters husband my uncle, but he’s really not.
@cormac o neill: Go hand out antichoice porn, soft lad.
@cormac o neill: have you been pregnant Cormac?
@Lucy Legacy: So it’s ok to show a staged photo of a dead child on a beach, or dead children in a war situation or dead/dying children in Africa but it is not ok to show photos of actual abortions. Abortions (killings) of healthy LIVING potential humans? Is this another case let’s sweep the truth of what happens In an abortion under the carpet as it might offend someone?
@Jane: Why do they take a fetal heartbeat when the woman is giving birth :)
@Warthog: who is sweeping what happens in an abortion under the carpet ? Can you tell us what happens in the majority of them in the 1st trimester ?
@Lucy Legacy: Cormac told Cora that his sister couldn’t get an abortion in this country…don’t know if he had one when he was Linda,,
@Warthog: care to prove that the pictures above are of healthy foetus’ that are properly aged and to scale? Accuracy is the issue
Reality is no one who is pro choice force any woman into making a decision they don’t agree with, whilst anti choice deny Irish women choice and force them to travel to access medical procedures legal in other EU states
@Stephen Kearon: I agree with you. But the term ‘choice’ is awful bollox no? There’s loads of choices we can’t make because of laws.
@Bilbo Baggins: can you be more specific because you actually are trying to raise an interesting discussion. More specific why is choice bolloc
@Stephen Coveney: imho choice is a fluffy term for pro abortion but it suppresses any guilt association from the pro choicer. A deflection if you like. You’re either afford protection of some sort to the unborn or you don’t. Simple as. All the pro and anti labels are meaningless
@Stephen Coveney: If I might be permitted to speak for Bilbo (because I think I the point is obvious), we aren’t entitled to; take heroin, smoke weed, avail of assisted dying, steal, keep slaves, avail of prostitution, prostitute ourselves, murder….
All of those are a choice too, but the insulting term “anti choice” isn’t applied to those who wish to keep them illegal
@Stephen Kearon: people like you on both sides of the divide who resort to name calling only stifle debate and eventual resolutions. I try to understand both sides but calling pro lifers anti choice is the same as calling pro choice baby killers. All this does is get a negative reaction not a solution. They would say that you take away choice of life and you say that you want to allow the destruction of a foetus, not a baby. Shouting down the opposition makes them entrenched on both sides. Most commentators on this forum need to cop on, try to understand both views and refrain from point scoring and name calling. There are more than 2 sides to this. Education should be key and prevention is always better than cure and that is only a start
For all the pro choicers: abortion will be legal in Ireland within 10 years at this stage no matter what, do not worry about the pro lifers campaign
@Michael: referendum next year leo has said
@Michael: unfortunately that’s not soon enough for the 20+ thousand women who will travel in the mean time
@Michael: all the pro liférs. Please dont harass and demean women who have (and still) travel to england….they dont treat this as a holiday.
@Michael: Allow them to show off their foetus fetish porn in front of children? No thanks. Creepy people who get off on showing late miscarriages mislabelled as 10 week foetuses should not be allowed on public thoroughfares, peddling their lies.
@Joy Herron What exactly are the people going to vote for in this forthcoming referendum that would make that happen .
Meanwhile these antichoice ghouls will step over homeless people on Dame St and look upon them with disdain. Their sort stop caring once the baby is born.
@DaisyChainsaw: have you proof to back up your statement or are you just trying to dehumanise the anti abortion people?
@Mike Power: They disagree with her about abortion. What more proof do you need?
@Mike Power: A lot of the antichoice cohort are the same people who hate people getting “free money and “free houses”.
@DaisyChainsaw: fact.
@DaisyChainsaw: where is your proof? You are presenting your opinion as facts, where have you seen the anti abortion people step over the homeless? I think most people who work hard show disdain for the entitlement scroungers, but I have no proof to back up my statement. You seem to be happy to make sweeping statements about these people because they are not pro abortion like yourself.
@Lorem Ipsum: I was asking for proof of them stepping over the homeless and treating them with disdain. Pretty sweeping statement to make without proof to back it up.
@Mike Power: You’re getting a bit wound up there. Do you see yourself in my statement? Antichoice, pro forced birth, hating the poor that currently exist. Maybe the “scroungers” should have been aborted, then there wouldn’t be so many of them for you to be offended by?
@DaisyChainsaw: well I would step over the homeless, bad life choices got them there. It’s not my job to fix their lives 4 them. I am in fact pro abortion, hopefully after the referendum we will have abortion legally available in Ireland. While we are at it I hope we can give free abortions to addicts and put a stop to kids being born and having no hope in life because of their parents life choices
We all have a right to protest, we all have a right to an opinion. We all have rights over almost every part of ourselves until it becomes an issue for a woman to have a right to her own body. I’m not one to judge anyone being brave enough to put themselves through hell, but most of you commenters here give out about paying out welfare,rent, and also saying they should have a license to have a kid. Accidents happen no matter how hard ya try.
@Atlas’ burden: sorry, this is a common sense free zone. Please use less of it in future.
@Atlas’ burden: Yeah the so called “accidents” cost us dearly. Is the payback
@j4VEpUO8: worth it
@j4VEpUO8: an unexpected pregnancy hurts you? Elaborate
@j4VEpUO8: the accident could happen to anyone. I became a parent at 19. The only support I got was from family. Are you judgemental like the rest?
@Atlas’ burden: no it couldn’t just happen to anyone, we all know about the birds and bees. That’s just making light of it and not enforcing how important it is for kids to be extra careful.
@Scundered: yes it could happen to anyone, no contraception is 100% and to deny that sex is something that people do is beyond ridiculous. Unless you’d rather we go back to girls being married before they finish school
@Scundered: You have tunnel vision. Carelessness is not the only reason women get pregnant without wanting to be & as I’ve said before, it takes two to tango.
As is their freedom. Silencing those we disagree with led us to brexit and trump. Allow them, but ignore them.
@Jimmy Ireland: And that’s exactly why we should silence those clowns, Trump, Brexit, Roman Catholicism
@Jimmy Ireland: I don’t think ignoring them is a good idea, given that they use emotive photos and scenarios to essentially manipulate people into agreeing with them. I had an anti-choice person demand that I come up with better reasons for repealing the 8th than the tired old rape, incest, fatal foetal abnormality/life-limiting conditions, and threats to the physical and mental well-being of the pregnant person used by the pro-abortion side, because they were bored of these reasons. Needless to say it was an interesting discussion. Quite amusing how quick they were to engage in ad hominem behaviour.
@Atheos Euripides: I’m none of the above so is it ok for me to have an opinion , just checking before I post..
@Felicity Hensen: then the solution is not in the repealing of the 8th but in the revision of the protection of life during pregnancy act….. Rape, incest and FFA account for less than 1% of abortions so should not be the basis for removing the 8th…… Removal of the 8th only serves to allow abortion on demand
@Sinead Fox: yes, Sinead. Because we trust women to make their own choices and consider everything.
These people are delusional if they think that the refund of a flight is motivation enough to reverse such a big decision. That in particular is vile.
We need to repeal the 8th. Let case law and legislation deal with the complex issue of abortion, stop flying our problems and responsibilities to the UK and grow up as a nation. Free. Safe. Legal. That’s what we need not the prissy finger pointing by these godridden lunatics.
@Pat Price: Pat just another powerlesskeyboard idiot who thinks he is a philospher from ancient times.Luckily we have got Trump with real power to make the world a better place and bash these anti-religious goons of liberals everyday for the next seven plus years!
@John Dillon: if all it’s about for you is hurting others then you’ve already lost and will always be a loser.
@Dave O Keeffe: Your grammer leaves me baffled but i want to be a loser once the Don sorts out the army, obamacare, democrats,planned parenthood and Soras, yeah I’ll take my losses on the chin “everyone knows a dave” as my shares on Wall St soar.Thanks for the enlightenment.
@John Dillon: nothing at all wrong with my grammar. Perhaps it’s you were a loser in the education system too.
@Dave O Keeffe:I digress perhaps you were a loser not perhaps it’s you were a loser my dear Doctor Johnson but english diction would not be your forte but thanks for your presumption in your childish educational reference non the less.
@John Dillon: You poor pet :) Getting all triggered about Don the Con’s failures :) And because of all of his many failures,we will continue to have Planned Parenthood saving lives :)
@John Dillon: are you seriously going to make that many errors in a comment criticising someone else’s command of the English language? There’s a serious lack of punctuation in that first sentence,oh wait, the whole comment that is one sentence with just a full stop. Yikes! Add in the spelling and misuse of big words and it’s an absolute $hitshow. I hope you were doing it ironically.
@Dave O Keeffe: Good thanks for all that now meanwhile in the real world In May 2017, the Trump Administration began to undo Section 1557 of ObamaCare, which would have helped liberals gain transexual “rights” through the courts.June 6, 2017—The Trump Administration appointed Valerie Huber, an abstinence education advocate, to the position of chief of staff to the assistant secretary for health at the HHS.President Trump did not proclaim June 2017 as LGBT Pride Month, unlike former presidents Clinton and Obama.Our hero the Don
@John Dillon: have you read 1557? It prevents providers discriminating based on race, gender, age and religion. You’re against that? Wow, you’re actually dar more of a piece of sh!t than I thought. As for the rest, you’re in favour of abstinence, good for you, you’re a moron. It demonstrably has the opposite effect than is desired. your fear of LGBT people is something you should discuss with a professional. Enjoy mass in the morning, wonder if the priest has been moved around a bit. Bet you he knows someone who has. Let’s hope he reported it to the Gardaí.
@Sinead Fox: Would you mind explaining the procedure of how I will obtain an abortion should I become pregnant through rape?
@Dave O Keeffe: Dave Dave get a grip will you no need for late night drunken foul mouthed rants very uncivilised I just showed you the Dons achievement according to the conservative media.Your assumptions about somebody you don’t know show a singular lack of maturity and an elevated sense of paranoia with you adopting the stock response about paedophile priests. I have no problem with LGBT or anyone else for that matter nor will I ever apologise to you or anybody else for having a different view democracy is great innit and your rhetoric about abstinence amuses me as much as the Dons appointee hopefully vetted by the great man himself(i wouldn’t want to see that) like your rant about priests (some good some very bad most ok).Keep off the sauce or maybe seek help for addiction issues.
@John Dillon: if you have no problem with lgbt people why do you list a lower level of support for them as an achievement? Teaching abstinence doesn’t work it’s a simple fact. PS your assumptions about my alcohol consumption couldn’t be further from the truth. But that’s you all over. Somebody is awake at 1am so they must be drunk. Enjoy mass moron
@John Dillon: where’s your neanderthal excuse for celebrating an attempt to legalise discrimination based on age, sex, race and gender?
I’d probably be annoyed about these posters if they mattered. Rational people are in favour of legalising abortion so women can access the care they need at home in their own country. The great thing about this ‘campaign’ is that those posters of miscarriages will make anyone on the fence become pro-choice straight away. Let them at it! Headcases.
A strange one. Perhaps the photographic reality that an unborn baby of 10 weeks is a human being is upsetting. Why is it upsetting?
@Niall Conneely: As it was you years ago as it was everybody, to kill a child in the womb is to remove a person from existence, that is why and why does very few people not see, feel or have empathy towards what a life is?
@Niall Conneely: No one is debating or questioning that a foetus being carried by an adult homo sapien is not a homo sapien. The point, clearly being missed, is that some people do not think it right that an unviable foetus has more constitutional and/or legislative rights than the person within whom they are developing. Do me a favour, take a moment and go look in a mirror, and think about what if you could become pregnant. Then think about me. A stranger. Someone who knows nothing about your life, your history, your circumstances, your hopes, your needs. Contemplate for a moment that I am in the position to influence the constitution and/or legislation which could directly and significantly determine the rest of your life, or death.
@Niall Conneely: I have spent my entire reproductive life in that position. A position I was placed in by hundreds of thousands of strangers, a lot of them now dead. Why should the opinion of a dead person be given higher authority of my body and life than me?
@Niall Conneely: What reality ? If you want reality,then put up it’s real size. And for those that want to know it’s real size @ 7 weeks…Well,it’s the size of a grain of rice.
@Felicity Hensen: this comment.. unbelievable! Perhaps it would benefit you to perform the same mental exercise and ask the same question from the point of view of the baby. There is a difference of course, that being, whereas you might have to put up with the ‘inconvenience ‘ of carrying the baby to full term, for the baby your choices result in their murder.
@Richardcronin: “Their murder ?” : Murder is a legal term and abortion is a medical term ..
It’s not the woman’s fault that they cannot survive outside of the womb without the use of her organs..So cute.
@Richardcronin: baby? What baby? Go back to school. Also, if you’re aware of a murder you should report it to the authorities
@Richardcronin: Thank you for supporting my point. You cannot seem to extend compassionate reasoning to a fully formed sentient individual. Maybe that inconvenience is death. And maybe that person does not want to die. But yeah, ‘baby’ trumps.
@Andrew Corrigan: it’s not a new angle for the most committed #antichoice people
This and the ‘it’s a cover for child abuse andcrape’, ‘women are healed from rape trauma by giving birth’, ‘no woman’s live is ever put in jeopardy by pregnancy’ are regularly trotted out, give it an hour they’ll be here too. I could actually name those who’ll show up.
Fact is if you are #antichoice in ireland you’re really just a nimby, especially you don’t also protest the right to travel or the right to info.
so the anti abortion crowd are saying the pro abortion side are voicing there opinion to increase profits of abortion clinics! thats a new angle l think,as mad and bad as all the other angles,l hope the guards do no allow sickening graphic images to be displayed where young children (who the pro life crowd say they care about) will see them,they are disturbing images,
@Andrew Corrigan: no one is pro abortion..
Here we go…
Ha I think those pro lifers are taking artistic liberties with those feotus pics- a tactic they have long employed in the US. Any doctors care to comment?
Also what is with the Marie Stopes spokesperson calling Britain “the mainland”??? Ffs!!
@Shauna McDermott: And what kind of kinky freak takes those pictures? And the even kinkier freaks who print them on huge banners? A dangerous fetish.
@DaisyChainsaw: A kinky freak like this, perhaps?
https://www.google.ie/amp/www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/amp6674/why-i-filmed-my-abortion/
@Lorem Ipsum: You missed the “non graphic” bit. Antis love their gore and blood. It’s a weird sexual kink, but we all need a hobby, right?
I thought antichoice groups didn’t like foreigners interfering in Irish issues? Why is a foreign group like Abort67 (katchy!!!) interfering here?
@DaisyChainsaw: And not one person that WANTS to procure an abortion will change their minds because of their sad and disgusting antics.Some of these “human rights activists” might succeed in actually giving psychological harm to women and their already born children..
Just a simple question. How many of these lucky people had just, just a one night stand, or be it in a serious relationship, they were not in a position to start a family, be it, not a suitable father, career prospect’s, family disapproval, education, the list can go on, because, Irish people are ashamed of themselves for getting into a position that is not suitable to the foresaid, that they find themselves in a pharmacy, tail between the legs, asking for the morning after pill. Can anyone of these so called feminist protesters, with honesty, say, no I did not find myself in this position..?
@RiainOg:
Just a simple question. How many times has a condom broke or the pill not worked? Your post comes across as arrogant
@Stephen Coveney: You just added to the list I described, and the point I was making, is that, why are they so arrogant?
It’s impossible not to feel for a woman who by simple error or through horrendous rape is faced with carrying the unintended and unwanted consequences.
Carrying them every day and night for nine months.
Maybe the risk of severe abnormality and deformity is also a terrible stress.
Maybe the very real danger that the mother will die or be mentally and emotionally damaged to wanting to die.
But hey! Bernie Smith and her gang of religious fundamentalists must be heard.
If only these people would seek education and counselling for their closed-minded ignorance and total lack of compassion for anything other than their own dogma.
They should be arrested and for hate preaching against women.
Precious Egos and nothing else but vulgarity and spite.
@Brendan McLaughlin: the first bit of education is that conception initiates a new life. What follows in the pro and anti brigades is whether that new life is human or not and whether it has rights to develop and live. Medically it becomes viable around a certain time, however this timing of viability is earlier and earlier with each advancement in medicine. If the unborn have no rights then why is that? Or to what extent the rights of the mother ( and father) supersede the right to live of the unborn. Whose life matters most?
@Micheal S. O’ Ceilleachair: The woman’s every time. A sentient person should never have her rights reduced to that of a zygote.
Graphic Reality that’s all deal with it watching the venom of pro abortion protesters who make goths look cheerful against elderly & young Irish citizens shows a disturbing hidden hurt they need to deal with for ownselfs I look forward to attending Irelands largest community festival in Belfast to hear from Pro Life Republican Women Politicians & Doctors & anyone opposed to our proclaimation.
Great news, how can I get involved?
@Nick Drake: Well you could bus it to the protest, but I don’t think there’s a route serving the 1950s
@Nick Drake: find the most sickening abortion photo print it on an A5000 sheet and shove it in as many peoples faces as possible
@Nick Drake: Babysit for a single parent, possibly. Without profiting.
@Nick Drake:
1. Tell everyone you know not to harass women travelling to England
2. Realise those women are at their lowest point and if they see your type of posters it will not stop them but actually mske the journey worse.
3. (My own pov) can you viably find a home for every child that is born. Look at the stats, your point of view has no hold in reality
@Nick Drake: You could blow up the balloons.You’d like that.Poor pet :)
@The Risen: No need, I found bus routes to the locations and also found ample parking in case I want to drive, thanks for the suggestion though, I thought I’d have to invent time travel there for a while…Phew!!!
@Andrew Corrigan: Andrew, A5000? I must have missed something as I never knew this paper size format existed, but as you are more advanced than me in most ways, I’ll take your word for it. Now can you please hold your head straight, I would like yours to be the first face that I shove ‘the most sickening abortion photo’ , to quote your own words.
@Fiona Fitzgerald: I’m sure you meant well, but could you explain the relevancy of that comment?
@Stephen Coveney: Stephen, you really took the carrot. Thanks.
1) I have since told a few friends and work colleagues not to harass any women travelling to England, they looked at me Strangely.I was planning to go to the airport with a megaphone to tell everybody in bulk; ‘ Please do not harass women travelling to England’, but I have been told I might end up getting arrested, so I’ll skip that suggestion, thanks.
2) So you would prefer to hide all facts and truths from women, because you don’t agree with them? You’re so enlightened, I’m envious. If any person does not want to see these images, they can chose not to.
3) What is my point of view? Once we get that clarified, we can then hold an intelligent discussion, if you are not capable, you can elect somebody to stand in, if you like.
Finally, why are you such judgemental, you should give that a break, it might be having an impact….just sayin’.
@The Dunes Of Inchy: I will help bow up the balloons if you promise you will show me how make balloon shapes and when we’re done maybe you could pat me on the head?
@Nick Drake: I keep well away from pathetic womb watchers :)
@Nick Drake: just to let you know Nick the waiting list for kidney transplants is 3 years in Ireland – just thought you’d be interested since you’re “pro-life” so that you can go and donate your spare kidney. Also there are many little children dying of leukaemia that need bone marrow transplants too :)
@Nick Drake: To see an A5000 paper size youd need a microscope :)
@iMoan Brutal: Yep, that’s what I thought, maybe Andrew would like to know this info?
@QtrzRZ6r: You are correct, the average waiting list for kidney in Ireland is a long 3 years. But, can you tell me something, how have you come to the conclusion that I’m pro life? Is it just because I am challenging comments here?
@The Dunes Of Inchy: Good, I’m glad to hear it, watching a uterus must be a disturbing pastime.
@Nick Drake: How do I know if you’re really pro-life? Good question…………I guess I won’t know if you’re really pro-life until you come back to us with your medical papers showing that you chose to help those little children with leukemia with your bone marrow and those in need of kidney transplants using your own body! Anyone can claim that they ‘choose life’ in an avatar – prove it ;) #chooselife
@Nick Drake: Knock yourself out. Please.
@Nick Drake: have you not seen your own avatar?
@Nick Drake: You antis should know all about that :)
@Dave O Keeffe: Yes I have, and I do Chose Life. :)
@QtrzRZ6r: lol,, you are funny.
Let them . That is not going to dissuade people from making their own decisions .
Life is not as simple as their minds . If a woman is going to uk or some other country she has thought long and hard and weigh the pros and cons of her life many many times .
Abortion: when the life of a mother and child are pitted against each other and the one who is less vunerable gets to choose.
@Chris Martin: Woman. Embryo. Foetus. Woman gets to choose because it’s her womb.That “vulnerable” embryo/foetus, it can of course cause great physical/mental health problems to the woman..But you lot don’t seem to care about that ..
@The Dunes Of Inchy: You make it sound like the foetus does it on purpose. Being pregnant is known to have many positive effects too believe it or not.
@Chris Martin: I am pro choice. Actually I am pro ” I dont care because as a man it does not affect me in any way and why should I have a say in what some random woman I never met does with her body”.
I think that you have convinced me to change my stance though. I never considered the “positive effects of being pregnant”.
No abortions for anybody ! Sure keeping the baby is good for the woman’s skin.
Unbelievable
@Ace: He makes it sound like pregnancy is completely a negative thing. Its not so I was just clearing that up. Calm down.
@Chris Martin: especially after for example being raped by a relative..
@Chris Martin: Yes, kind of like when a man rapes a woman. She doesn’t get to choose.
@Cindy Crawford: when pro choicers cant think of anything else to say they always resort to the rape argument which make up a very tiny percentage of all all abortions caried out.
@Chris Martin: Quite frankly, a woman doesn’t need to give an excuse to you or anyone else as to why she wants an abortion. It could be because she simply doesn’t want to be pregnant & if she’s pregnant because of rape, a split condom or because she had too much to drink, it’s none of your business.
@Chris Martin: Glad that you called it by it’s proper medical term.I do know that being pregnant has many positive effects too believe it or not..But it also has many serious health implications for the woman who doesn’t want to give use of her organs to something that she doesn’t want inside of her..Her womb.Her rules.
@The Dunes Of Inchy: If she feels so strongly about not having something inside her womb then theres a perfectly reasonable way of preventing it.
Can these pro-life troglodytes please nip into a sex shop and sort themselves out?
E.G. The foetus will not live and at times the mother won’t live.
Let the immediate family choose, not your snowflake hatred and your abhorrence of sex toys
@A. Notherbeer: So would you be satisfied with legalised abortion for only those circumstances? If not, why bring it up?
Why are we even debating unborn baby murder ?
@Jamie Dunne: You’re right. You should be reporting murder to the Gardai.
@Jamie Dunne: A charge of murder requires a position of legal personhood for the victim in question. A foetus does not have legal personhood. If personhood is granted to a foetus, a pregnant person who miscarries but cannot provide adequate evidence to support that the miscarriage was natural, could be charged with murder. How would you feel if someone close to you who was recovering from a miscarriage, or still birth, was also facing a murder charge?
@Felicity Hensen: Can you cite some legal authorities for those claims?
@Lorem Ipsum: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Personhood_laws
Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges
@Felicity Hensen: Neither of those are legal authorities
To back up your argument you need legal authorities that
1) A charge of murder requires the victim to have “legal personhood”. That’s not mentioned on our statutes
2) A foetus doesn’t have this legal personhood. They have a constitutional right to life, inheritance rights and the right to sue for tortuous wrongs. What more do they need?
3) A woman will be prosecuted for naturally miscarrying. Abortion has always been illegal in this state and yet that has never happened
Even if your guardian article were a legal authority, that would only invalidate your own argument. You claim that a foetus doesn’t have legal personhood – so how could any such charge be sustained?
FYI, taking rat poison at 33 weeks isn’t natural
@Felicity Hensen: You’ve also got the entire criminal law system backwards. The onus would be on the prosecution to be prove a miscarriage or stillbirth wasn’t natural. It would never be on the woman to prove that it was.
@Lorem Ipsum: “Abortion is defined as the destruction of life in utero and homicide as the destruction of life ex utero. The legislative provisions on abortion are set out in Section 58 to 60 in the Offences Against the Person Act 1861″
https://www.lawyer.ie/abortion-law-in-ireland/
@Lorem Ipsum: “Zoe’s law gives personhood to a foetus of 20 weeks, meaning someone who injures or kills it through a criminal act can be charged with murder or manslaughter.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/21/zoes-law-passes-nsw-lower-house
It didn’t make it to law; http://www.wlsnsw.org.au/law-reform/past-campaigns/zoes-law/
Abortion isn’t compulsary so if you don’t want one, don’t get one. Just make it available here, let people decide for themselves like they already do when they travel for one & be done with it.
Doing everything they can to save the life of the unborn but they don’t give a damn when the child is born. Plenty of stuff they could be doing in the community to help people and children who are alive and kicking… but that would be too much like hard work.
@Morgan Freeman: And if the woman chooses to have the child ( even though that may make life extremely difficult) are pro choice there to support the choice she makes? Or do you just leave her to it?
@Chris Martin: Pro choice people do not get in the way of the choice that she makes for herself..you really do struggle with this..
@The Dunes Of Inchy: “Do not get in the way of her choice” . Mmmmm Im sure that sounds very supportive and comforting to an emotional and terrified young pregnant girl. Basically yer on yer own love.
I’m neither for nor against in the debate ,what i am against is hypocrisy,how can you be against abortion and saying ur for the rights of the unborn child yet nobody asked the child in pics if it wanted to be used for propaganda
Hey everyone – just wanted to share the good news! “PRO-LIFERS” can now use their own bodies to keep others alive! That’s right; did you know you can donate bone marrow to help a little child dying of leukaemia? Also the waiting list for kidney transplants in Ireland is 3 years – you can donate your spare kidney to save lives, since you’re pro-life! #chooselife
Education is good.
I see some arguing that being ignorant is good.
@Robert D: education is great, teaches the difference between a baby and a foetus. A line these “educators” are deliberately trying to blur. That’s not education. That’s lying.
@Dave O Keeffe: whatb about an education on what constitutes life?
I think it is fine to be pro choice if one believes it would be fine to show an abortion from early pregnancy up to the time limit.
At the recent citizens assembly it appeared some didn’t understand abortion as they voted for no time limit. Yet unborn babies can survive from as early 22 weeks outside the womb, so even when one argues about foetuses, it is not black and white, it is more than just arguing about babies and foetuses, it is about life.
Education is needed, not saying these people have the right approach, but I do find it interesting that some prochoice people find images or video of an abortion to be somehow offensive and shouldn’t be shown, which is in some of the comments posted on this.
If nothing is wrong with having an abortion, I don’t see the problem, or maybe we can learn why it is offensive?
@Robert D: What’s the survival rate for those foetus’ born at 22 weeks? How does their physical and mental developmental fare? It’s not just about life, it’s about quality of life.
I don’t think people find images or videos of abortion to be somehow offensive. They find them misleading and inaccurate.
What I actually find offensive, if I’d even call it offence, is that I should be ashamed for valuing my life more than an unviable foetus. That I should be ashamed for prioritising myself, and others capable of pregnancy. It’s easy to play fast and loose when it isn’t your life on the line.
@Robert D: I find it offensive because anyone who even done secondary school biology knows the images and timeline s r fake
@Robert D: I’ve never said it’s offensive, I’ve said it’s inaccurate as it doesn’t provide scale and very often the age is false.
All the nutters out again trying to stop women accessing their right to a recognised medical procedure
@Kevin Slater: Why are they nutters just because they see an unborn baby as an individual who should have a chance and human rights?
Strange that the pro birth side never disagrees that the images are fake.is it because we all know they are stock photos of late miscarriages pure lies
That 10 week old foetus looks strangely similar to a 28-30 week old baby in the womb
I miss the red thumb button.
Look at them, bloody Catholics, filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can’t afford to bloody feed
pro life religious idiots
@Leitrim303: And Humanists???
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