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Updated 8pm
OVER 15,000 PEOPLE have opted to have the property tax deducted from their social welfare payments with some €1 million collected so far this year.
The figures released by Finance Minister Michael Noonan, show that owners of 15, 450 residential properties have chosen this option.
In the vast majority of cases, Noonan said deductions from payments have already commenced and over €1 million has been collected by Revenue to date. It is estimated that some €2.26 million in total will be collected by Revenue in this manner.
The minister revealed in September that issues arose with this payment option whereby some people had selected the wrong social welfare payment type while others were found to be in receipt of a payment type that was not covered for this option.
The property tax can only be deducted from the following payments:
People on unemployment benefits like jobseekers’ allowance cannot choose this payment option.
Noonan said that the Revenue Commissioners have advised that where issues arise, they are addressed on a case by case basis.
“I am further advised that there is an ongoing dialogue between Revenue and the Department of Social Protection, with a view to ensuring that this payment option operates as smoothly as possible,” he said.
Earlier this week the Revenue Commissioners extended the deadline for filing your Local Property Tax deadline online following the “exceptional level” of filing and volume of calls to the helpline.
- First published 8am
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Why don’t they ask the CRC to “donate” some of their top up money into the pot? Seeing as how the money that was donated to them wasn’t used for the purpose intended I.e the sick and needy, it should be given back to the people……
All to pay for water meters. Nothing going to local needs.
Which FG donor denis o’brien is making a mint installing.
Banana republic.
Exactly – thought local councils were to get the tax collected. Gone into another black hole. So who fixes the roads etc. that were to be funded by this?
Motor tax was once call road tax it didn’t go towards roads either
Disgrace, you go to the bother of supplying your family with a home, the government charge you vat and stamp duty and every time you pay your mortgage they charge you vat again. Now the same people who like to provide for themselves are shafted again!!…… FF caused this problem but FG and Lab are as bad as them. Pay back comes at next GE
There’s no VAT on mortgages, or second hand houses for that matter. Muppet!
So Reg your happy how your government charges these taxes I take it, attacking me and not what the government is doing to the rest of the country.
No just fed up of people who come on here and either through intention or ignorance spout nonsense.
Well Reg when I bought my house I paid stamp duty and vat and you dont think the banks pay vat on the services they provide.
Bank services are exempt from VAT.
Well it must have been a new house as there is no VAT on second hand homes or mortgages. Did you miss where I said this the first time?
And your point is if it was a new house???
If supporters of FG/LAB think this is ok Then there is something seriously wrong with ye. What has become of our country?
The country is being run into the ground by Gangsters who think they are above the law. Rob from the poor and pay the rich. This will all go horribly wrong for them in the future. That is a guarantee
Bondholders and the interest on the loan I took out and made into sovereign debt has to be paid – and I sure as hell won’t touch current or past ministers pay and pension. So my poor little debt slave minion, the money has to come from you. End of. You don’t like it emigrate – now remember vote FineGael y’all hear. Austerity for the minions – gold plated pensions for like for us. Eat it with a smile on your face.
I’m ok with all of this. Free loading off the working class needs to come to an end. This is progress.
Corporate welfare (tax relief and grants for the rich paid for by taxing the low and middle incomes.) needs to be paid. When is enough profit enough. Do big business really need so much tax payers money. A flat tax for all citizens and business. 20 % of income across the board for all.
There’s a waiver system for those who really can’t afford it…
O Reilly don’t forget that same waiver attracks an interest charge of I believe 4.5%.
Good ol o’reilly. Always contending theres a right way for us to be paying europes private gambling losses.
Wow, TalkingSence managed to accidentally tell the truth. The free loading off the working class to pay for the bank bailout does indeed have to stop.
It would but at the end of the day all these taxes and high cost of living only effect a small proportion of our society,
We all mone and talk about it, but really its a small few in the middle that feel it the rest are to rich or claiming to much benefit to care. And government know this and its even against the law to make a real difference.
So soon we will all get use to been supressed by this dictatorship.
Wouldn’t that be great, but it’s far too simple for our dictatorship.
Rob from the poor to pay the rich, Dictatorship. Bullshit rhetoric from left wing looneys. There’s a good reason the streets were never torn up here like Greece. Because when you look at these countries, people realise it could be so much worse…
..what’s wrong with taking this tax directly from social welfare payments…some people opt to have it taken from their salary, no difference…
Disabled, blind, carers all freeloaders? Maybe you should apply for the blind allowance. I don’t think there is an allowance for ignorance.
So everyone on social welfare of any sort have never paid tax or worked in their lives.Get a grip.shows your education levels zero.
Hope you dont lose your job and end up on social welfare.
p.s that was for the sap talkingrubbish(sense my ass)
Guy next door to me is on dole as long as i can remember,goes on foreign holiday every year,drives 2010 car,i work full time,havent gone foreign in years,driving prehistoric heap of shit,im sure people reading this know of similiar cases?i dont agree with the property tax,but it exists,and everybody should have to contribute,cant keep screwing the working schmuck to the wall,while the welfare lifers get a free pass.
I think it’s perfectly ok I only wish they went further, the protected welfare class may now have to adjust their egos
Enda had cut politician wages by more than any other Irish leader ever- facts and whingers don’t sit we’ll together
Chris if you cost more than you contribute you are a freeloader- it’s an economic argument if you are deaf blind etc etc it doesn’t matter it’s an economic argument, hope that helps :)
The reason the streets were not torn up over here is because the mentality of the population is aloof at best and lazy at worst….its bad but what could u do about it blah blah…ppl talk the talk privately but certainly dont walk the walk publicly…its probably a hangover from colonialism passecd down through the generations
Disgraceful, give with one hand and take with another! How on earth is this fair or justified? Dip into Bertie’s pension pot and I’d feel a whole lot better.
Myownboss
Did you miss the part where Bertie’s pension was reduced? Just to say it again….Bertie’s pensions has been considerably reduced since his retirement ! I will accept that it’s not enough but just to make sure you know….Bertie’s has already been reduced!
Facts and figures please all I can find is from 2011 and it doesn’t add up to a considerable reduction.
Aherne pension €152,332 pension levy €4186.53 roughly €80.51 per week.
Cowen Pension €151.061 pension levy €4084.94 around €78.56 per week.
Myownboss I would just prefer if they gave them nothing to begin with, rewarding useless people normalises people’s perceptions that its ok to be a freeloader. I think welfare is a complete waste, if your family won’t look after you well then your not worth looking after- waste of good money
Richie Rodgers, dip into Bertie’s pension pot or a blind persons social welfare payment – NO CONTEST!!!
Give with one hand and take from the other. Most of these people are struggling enough without this crap!
Next government please…..
Tell me, what will the next government do any differently? Unless you want to run yourself and make changes you’ll probably have to put up and shut up. Its what we in Ireland (outside the message boards) seem to do very well.
We are going in reverse as a society .The things that people fought and died for are being slowly taken away.
And we are doing nothing about it..the numbers at any protests organised are embarassing. Our ancestors would be ashamed at how we just lay down and take a beating.
While I do agree with you, if you take into account 2nd and 3rd world countries, we have it pretty sweet in ireland. I know there are people suffering but it could be a whole lot worse. Most of us are lucky enough to never know what true poverty or hunger or homelessness or hopelessness even feels like.
Ireland ain’t perfect but it ain’t that bad either.
wake up, seriously, wake the f*** up
Still referring to it as a property tax I see.
Its not, its a family home tax to plug the gap left by this government stealing the taxes we already pay. Worst part is that they CHOSE to bring this in, the troika said it was the Irish governments decision.
A property tax is a tax on wealth.
Having a roof over your head is a basic human right and is recognised as such in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. It is not wealth as you cannot dispose of it without depriving yourself of a fundamental human right.
Its a tax on not being homeless or a member of our friendly travelling community. Or a tax on not getting a council house.
I’d say there isnt a landlord in the country who hasnt passed this tax on to the tennant so everyone gets screwed by it
Actually my landlord hasn’t passed it on because he knows it’s his house so his responsibility. Also nothing in the contract says he can do it. Im sure most people who got it passed on to them could have a case for breach of contract
And Ll propped up by the caring “Socialist” of the Labour Party. Traitors all of them.
With a Labour government in the Dail what a joke .
We should ask the Americans for help to destroy another dictatorship.Ireland
How is it a dictatorship?
Christ, the hyperbole! Calling Ireland a dictatorship trivialises actual dictatorships worldwide. You, me and everyone else voted in FG and Labour, remember? Around 2010 or so? They’re a pack of sleveens, shysters and incompetent liars but a dictatorship? Nah. Ironic you should appeal to the worst example of democracy in the Western world ( and far, far more of a dictatorship than this place could ever be) to destroy the evil Irish “dictatorship”. If you don’t like them, vote against them in the next election as I intend to do but save the hyperbole. It is cringe-worthy.
But who will you vote for? Thats when hoplessness sets in. FF? They’re all as bad as eachother.
That’s the problem. I’m not sure either but all I know is I won’t be giving my vote to Fianne Fail, Fine Gael or Labour because FF ruined the country and still have a fair number of those responsible among their ranks, FG blatantly lied to get into power and broke every second promise they made and Labour also lied to gain power and sold out their party’s beliefs. I’m not fully convinced by Sinn Fein either but they do have some good people. If it comes to voting Independent I’ll happily do so. It’s hard to call, but no more of the same please. Basically, no more disingenuous snakes who have no political beliefs whatsoever other that loyalty to one’s self and the party at the expense of the people they are supposed to be representing.
The current system needs to be totally reformed too much nepotism within the dail. The seanad is just embarrassing its so far removed from democracy.
But to be fair a lot of that comes from the Irish mentality of electing dynasties into the dail. These people make politics the family business, basically career politicians who have few actual political beliefs other than a cynical knowledge that politics will serve the well financially and is a perfect opportunity for self advancement. Look no further than Enda Kenny to see what kind of people Im talking about. The Irish mentality of voting, our pathetic admirations of cute hoors and THEN the system must change.
Isn’t that illegal. Social welfare payments are actually being taxed by the Government. If people cannot afford to make the payments, because they are living below the poverty line, what the Government is doing is illegal.
They do that all the time , operate illegally. A lot of the revenue tactics are in fact illegal.
This article refers to 15000 who “opted” for the deduction. Try reading it.
They may have “opted” to pay it this way but they certainly had no choice not to pay it.
Its not illegal if you are in the EU other EU countries tax benefits
Thats why ireland needs to get out of the EU. All of these laws are unopposable, apart from the fact that EU law is based on civil law and not common law
These injustices will continue whilst ireland is in the EU and there is nothing you can do stop it whoever you vote for gombeen A or gombeen B
Why would be illegal? Because you don’t like it?
I most certainly do not like it, not only because it is illegal, but because it is forcing the less well off to pay for the blunders and the crude greed of a small but politically and financially powerful section of society. I am also telling people to stand up for their right ‘Not to Vote’, in any future sham elections or referenda brought by those same vested interests. If you don’t vote for them’ they can no longer claim to represent us, legally or illegally. The best way to give them the boot, is to Boycott their self selected elections.
Patricia I’m not sure you really understand what illegal is or how elections work in principal.
Take it from people by hook or by crook and the benefit freeloaders should have it taken from them first.
Jer, in your mind who are the” benefit freeloaders” ?
Fantastic news
You really need to get a woman Kenneth
I’m thinking of starting a collection so we can pay a ” lady of the night ” to sort you out and you’re childish trolling might just stop
An inflatable one might do, he’d get better use out if it. Just as long as you remember to supply him with a puncture repair kit…
Don’t forget the orange sash and bowler hat , we want wee Kenneth to feel at home for his first time
Sure we might as well throw the fleg in too, oh the imagery!
Get him an inflatable enda one he’d not need a pump to inflate it
Yeah but he’d probably have to pay a tax every time he climbs aboard…or it’d be fitted with a meter or something…both probably.
Just stop replying to him, stop red thumbing him, completely ignore him.
You are a nasty bit of work… but they are closing in….
Who exactly are you referring to with that comment Tom?
Kenneth
Laughable these personal attacks but that’s what you have to expect from the nothing class
Wow threats Tom very childish indeed, I have reported you comment- just doing my bit to clean up society :)
Troll Kenneth. If and when you’re on welfare maybe then you’ll develop a soul
1m? wow that will help against the 1b a month repayments to bankster crappers
This is just appeasement of the banksters, 1m is not worth the administration costs of doing it
He must be proud of himself taking people’s SW payments.
As opposed to taking money from people who earned it?? We all have to share the burden.
I don’t think you don’t realize people on SW did earn, some people paid tax and prsi for 10, 20, 30, 40 years,alot of those people probably paid your parents child allowance for you ,did they complain
Scary fact: Responsibility for this tax ie. Raising it will be given to local authorities in a few years. The same crowd of unqualified local loudmouths who wrote off millions in developers levies but will charge me and you an arm and a leg for any service.
Ive a better idea..why not ship all the foreign spongers back to their own country. .there milking the sh*t out of the system and laughing at us. #gansters
There’s no thread on Boards that can’t be improved by a bit of the oul’ racism. Property Tax? Solution: chuck out the furriners! If it was good enough for the NSDAP, it’s good enough for us.
Do we pay child benefits to those working here from abroad whoes kids never even visited ireland ?
There much more but why bother as anyone who questions this is label a bigot racist.
Why does Ireland copy everything from Britain?
Is there no one here with a brain cell that can think something original that actually makes people’s lives better?
All part of world wide auto genocide. What stage are we at now?
1. Decision.
2. Classification.
3. Symbolization.
4. Dehumanization.
5. Organization.
6. Polarization
7. Preparation.
8. Extermination.
9. Denial.
http://www.whale.to/b/crow.html
. Preparation. The village, victims, survivors and those in power are prepared for the genocide.
“The autogenocide has to be conceived in invisibility and executed in invisibility. Suffering and resulting premature deaths have to blamed on something else: diseases, violence, hunger, homelessness, hopelessness, accidents, suicides, murders, so forth.
No one is going to visibly agree or assist in the holocaust. This means that its all done in the abstract. Welfare “reform” laws and other laws are hyped as “tough love” that means, in Orwellian or Alice-in-Wonderland language, that powerless people are being left to their own devices to survive without resources or enough resources to survive or have any kind of a quality of life.”
Just history repeating itself. Nothing new.
Does anyone know if there are exemptions for property tax if your child Has severe development delay which will mean we will need to have our house modified in the future but not yet as he is only one year old.
They could have just decreased the dole by about 5 cents and they would have got as much but NO! The actual dole amount itself is sacred and can never be decreased. Just like the income tax can’t be increased any bit at all, therefore a new tax has to be invented to raise more money
*LI = all
Let me get this straight, the government are taking housing tax money from social welfare payments, so even if the everyday working woman and man pay there property tax we have to pay for those on social welfare too… That’s just not right at all
Laughable if it wasn’t so serious. It beggars belief. Ireland a civilised country? Not since the pre ‘De-vil-era’. Patiently waiting the outcome of the next general election to see what the people will do!
Pay by cheque when due every month.
Insist on a receipt.
State it is a loan.
Specify the interest rate 4%
Demand a full refund when this odious law is repealed.
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This is a regressive tax because inability to pay in not taken into account.
No EU government has a mandate to Tax Family Homes.
All bad laws end up being repealed.
Have your demand for a full refund in on time ……
Wait till they get there hands on the tv licence list. Is on the WAY!!!!!!!!
Anything that gives less and takes more from those on welfare well then I’m all for it :)
Disgrace! Romantic Ireland’s dead and gone its with O’Leary in the grave.
They could have just decreased the dole by about 5 cents and they would have got as much but NO! The actual dole amount itself is sacred and can never be decreased. Just like the income tax can’t be increased any bit at all
Usual crap from govt no matter what way you look at it, as for water meters govt give contracts n we end up with northies coming down south to install them, no plumbers in dublin available, good aul govt……
I find it very difficult to comprehend why people have to pay property tax on their homes when a home is something which is necessary.
Keep drinking the tap water and bend over ppl
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