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UK police forces to ask rape victims to hand in mobile phones for investigation

Concerns have been raised by victims groups about new consent forms.

VICTIMS GROUPS IN the UK have raised concerns about new consent forms that will ask alleged rape victims to hand their phones in to police as part of investigations.

The forms are being rolled out across England and Wales and BBC News reports that the move has come about after a number of rape and serious sexual assault cases collapsed after crucial evidence emerged.

Director of Public Prosecutions Max Hill said the devices would only be looked at where it forms a “reasonable line of enquiry” and that any material used would only go to court subject to stringent rules.

The Guardian reports that Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Nick Ephgrave says in a briefing document that alleged victims could be told they can refuse consent to hand up their phone but that it could affect the potential for prosecution if they do so..

Complainants “have the opportunity to say I don’t wish that to happen but we also have to make it clear that if that’s the position then it may not be possible for the case to proceed”, Ephgrave said, according to The Guardian.

Victims groups have however said that the move could lead to fewer victims reporting rape and sexual assault.

Rape survivor, author and activist Winnie M Li told Sky News that it would involve victims having their privacy further breached.

All of the information you’re going to be able to acquire from a victim’s phone, that’s still not going to be evidence about whether or not a rape was committed. And yet at the same time, it may provide curtain messages or information about her character that the defence can then use against her.

Li said that the criminal justice process can leave victims feeling victimised again and that this is a move in the wrong direction.

“You’re requiring rape victims, who have already been through a lot, to give up a huge amount of privacy, they already give up a lot and feel like they’re violated in certain ways. So for this to be required of them further, for them to give up their phones and their means of communication, their link to the support of friends and family is even a further violation of their rights.”

In Ireland, it is common for gardaí to seek evidence from the phone of both the complainant and the accused. 

A spokesperson for the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre says victims are often accompanied by one of their representatives when victims are providing details from their phones to gardai.

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    Mute The Girl
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    Jun 21st 2018, 9:41 AM

    Why attempt to compete with YouTube. Just create something completely different and own it. YouTube is stuck in people’s heads and will be the go-to place for generations to come.

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    Mute Brehon Law
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    Jun 21st 2018, 10:11 AM

    @The Girl: Perhaps not! They are making a hell for themselves with censorship. Only people themselves should be sensors. New one on the block with freedom is GAB.ai

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    Mute Fergus Fring
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    Jun 21st 2018, 10:58 AM

    @The Girl: lol just like Alta Vista and Yahoo were stuck in people’s heads in 1997 as the place to go for Search.
    You innovate to compete or you are left behind.

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    Jun 21st 2018, 11:45 AM

    @Brehon Law: exactly. This could be a game changer if done correctly. Many notable channels could depart YouTube due to the demonetisation for supposed infractions.

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    Mute Conor Paddington
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    Jun 21st 2018, 12:07 PM

    @The Girl: people said the same thing about MySpace. And then we ALL know what happened next. Bebo came along…

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    Mute Kevin Boland
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    Jun 21st 2018, 1:44 PM

    @The Girl: strategically this isn’t a bad idea, Instagram has a large installed base and can leverage existing users on the new platform

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    Mute Link
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    Jun 21st 2018, 2:24 PM

    @Conor Paddington: Yes, but, remember Google Video? Despite all the money that they threw at it, it was still more financially viable for Google to spend €600m to buy YouTube than compete with it!

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    Jun 21st 2018, 9:49 AM

    I expect it will go the same way all the new “products” they’ve launched in the last 2yrs have gone ….. rise like a lead balloon.
    Everything facebook touches is turning to ashes because of greed and the disrespect they show for users and their data,

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    Jun 21st 2018, 10:06 AM

    @Passing through this life: Their share price would suggest otherwise.

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    Jun 21st 2018, 10:18 AM

    @Passing through this life: people don’t care, they post stuff on a website and they truly don’t care about it. If you did, you wouldn’t post.
    How many accounts has face book lost? I believe the amt is insignificant

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    Jun 21st 2018, 10:02 AM

    Youtube is easily the best website in the world. Good luck with that.

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    Jun 21st 2018, 11:24 AM

    @Dave McCrea: you spelt Red wrong.

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    Jun 21st 2018, 1:03 PM

    @Decko Kelly: That gave me a chuckle

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    Jun 21st 2018, 12:32 PM

    Full screen and vertical – yuk

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    Jun 21st 2018, 1:33 PM

    You lost me at full screen and ‘vertical’

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    Jun 21st 2018, 1:30 PM

    In order for this to take off they will need to secure the big channels from YouTube which will be very difficult since they already have established fan bases on YouTube. Also they don’t seem to be offering anything that YouTube is not for viewers, based on this at least.

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    Jun 21st 2018, 1:11 PM

    Creators/influencers sicken me to my very core eg Neistat, McKinnon et al

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    Mute David Van-Standen
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    Jun 21st 2018, 2:27 PM

    Any alternative platform to Youtube, that is more supportive and financially rewarding for the core content creators, that create the vast array well made content that viewers with many diverse interests enjoy, rather than just the corporate sponsored creators with millions of subscribers, it is to be welcomed.

    But the stated belief that people using phones or mobile devices want to watch video in portrait rather than landscape view seems like a great way to self sabotage it at start and make it a very poor approximation of any currently available video platform, not least Youtube…

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    Jun 22nd 2018, 1:29 PM

    When will it happen?

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    Jun 21st 2018, 11:37 AM

    Źzzzzz

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    Jun 21st 2018, 12:08 PM

    @Steven Turner: Yyyyyy?

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