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Reader Q&A: How are high risk groups being identified and where will they get their vaccines?

The government expects to have access to close to four million vaccine doses in the second quarter of the year.

DESPITE REPEATED ISSUES with supplies, the vaccination programme has moved through the priority list, and is now focused on those aged over 70 and people with very high risk conditions.

After a rocky start in the first three months, the health service is hoping to significantly ramp up the roll-out in the second quarter of the year.

The government still expects just under one million doses to be delivered in April, 1.25 million in May and 1.68 million in June.

As part of our Reader Q&A series, we have been breaking down the latest developments with vaccines and the roll-out in Ireland, trying to answer as many of your questions as we can.

This week, most of the questions were about how the health service will manage the roll-out of vaccines to those considered to be at very high risk of severe disease. 

IDENTIFYING HIGH RISK GROUPS

The majority of the questions we received from readers related to the recent change in the sequencing list which saw patients with certain very high risk conditions moved up. 

  • I understand the government are vaccinating people based on certain medical conditions which makes perfect sense but no one has explained who decides the severity and classification of the disease. There is no database for this information in Ireland so are we leaving this decision up to individual consultants, GPs or HSE administrators? How is this data being assimilated? Should patients contact their GP or consultant to ensure they are not overlooked or is this pointless?
  • Who decides between group seven and four of the vaccine roll out. Who will decide who is ‘very high risk’ and who is ‘high risk’?
  • Why only now is HSE trying to find who is vulnerable in the community after three months it was known that a vaccine will be available?
  • My mother is 90 years old and she is bed-bound. Her medical condition is life threatening and to transport her to a medical centre could exacerbate her condition. How will she get her vaccine?

Last month the Minister for Health announced an update to the vaccine allocation strategy, based on a recommendation from the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC).

He said based on national and international evidence on underlying conditions that may increase the risk of severe disease or death, NIAC had been able to more comprehensively identify those conditions, to “distinguish between those which place a person at very high or high risk of severe disease if they contract the virus”.

A new ‘Cohort 4′ was created on the priority list; people aged 16-69 who are at very high risk of severe disease.

Here’s the full list of Cohort 4 conditions, with the specific patient criteria for each:

Cancer

  • All cancer patients actively receiving (and/or within 6 weeks of receiving) systemic therapy with cytotoxic chemotherapy, targeted therapy, monoclonal antibodies or immunotherapies and radical surgery or radiotherapy for lung or head and neck cancer.
  • All patients with advanced/metastatic cancers.

Chronic kidney disease

  • Chronic kidney disease, on dialysis, or eGFR 40 Kg/m2.

Chronic neurological disease or condition

  • Chronic neurological disease or condition with evolving ventilatory failure (requiring non-invasive ventilation), for example: motor neurone disease, spinal muscular atrophy.

Chronic respiratory disease

  • For example: severe cystic fibrosis, severe COPD, severe pulmonary fibrosis.

Diabetes

  • Uncontrolled diabetes, for example: HbA1C ≥58mmol/mol.

Immunocompromised

Severe immunocompromise due to disease or treatment, for example:

  • Transplantation: Listed for solid organ or haematopoietic stem cell transplant (HSCT), post solid organ transplant at any time, post HSCT within 12 months;
  • Genetic diseases: Autoimmune polyendocrinopathy candidiasis ecto- dermal dystrophy, inborn errors in the interferon pathway;
  • Treatment:  Included but not limited to Cyclophosphamide, Rituximab, Alemtuzumab, Cladribine or Ocrelizumab in the last 6 months.

Inherited metabolic diseases

  • Disorders of intermediary metabolism/at risk of acute decompensation, for example: Maple Syrup Urine Disease.

Intellectual disability

  • Down Syndrome.

Obesity

  • BMI >40 Kg/m2.

Sickle cell disease

There is still another group, lower down on the list, of at risk groups. Those aged 18-64 who are considered at high risk – rather than at very high risk – are in Cohort 7. A full list of conditions covered in this cohort can be found here.

How they’re identified

HSE CEO Paul Reid has said due to the very high risk conditions captured in the recommendation from NIAC, it is assumed that the majority of the most at risk will be under the care or treatment of hospitals.

From initial feedback from the hospitals and community services, the HSE estimates there are around 150,000 people in this group.

Hospital groups have been asked to identify the relative populations based on definitions provided and they will then contact them. There will also be some input at a later stage from GPs, where patients are not in regular contact with a hospital, such as those with certain categories of diabetes.

The vaccination process for this cohort has already started and next week up to 20,000 people in this very high risk group are due to receive their first dose.

When asked by TheJournal.ie this week why work to identify high risk groups was not started earlier, HSE Chief Clinical Officer Dr Colm Henry said NIAC’s original document in December had a broad description and it was not until it issued its recent recommendation that it “mined much deeper into this group of people”.

“They decided to look at each of those 13 conditions and decide, in those conditions, what are the clinical criteria that would put people at very high risk,” he said.

“So the most recent document – instead of describing generally people who are high risk, because they have diabetes, or because [of] their lung disease or because they have Cystic Fibrosis – is much more specific.

For example, the timing of cancer treatment, whether it’s active, or whether it’s within six weeks; it talks about immunosuppression, in terms of specific medication; it talks about kidney disease very specifically in terms of whether you’re on dialysis, or whether you have what’s called a GFR – that’s a measure of severity of renal failure of less than 15. So the criteria that came out in the most recent documents were much more specific.

Officials expect the vaccination of this group to continue through March and April and the vaccinations will be administered in whichever setting is believed to be best for the patient. In many cases, this will be in the hospital where they receive treatment, though some may be able to go to vaccination centres. 

Home-bound patients

The HSE has estimated there are up to 1,500 people aged over 70 who are home-bound. 

Trained National Ambulance Service vaccinators will deliver the vaccines in people’s homes. 

HSE CCO Dr Colm Henry said rather than differentiate between age groups, moving down from those aged over 85, to those aged over 80, then those aged 75+ and so on, the entire group will be done in parallel.

“We’re going to approach them as an entire entity, because of the numbers and because of the way the vaccine has been constituted, the ambulance service will have to plan for five, six or seven based on one vial and try to deal with it geographically,” he explained.

He said this will start in north Leinster this week, rolling out across the country in the following weeks. 

PRIORITY LIST

The recent changes to the vaccination sequencing list have caused some confusion, with some readers saying they are now unclear about when they might get their vaccine:

  • When are the over 70s going to get their first vaccination. I am a 74-year-old widow, living alone. On receiving chemotherapy my lungs were damaged and I am now and have been for three years now on oxygen 24/7. I would imagine I am a priority case?
  • In relation to teachers, I would like to know approximately when can we expect to get the Covid-19 vaccine.

Although the vaccination of the ‘very high risk’ category has started now, this does not mean the roll-out to the over 70s has paused – this is continuing. Almost all over 85s have now been vaccinated and the programme will move down through the age groups with those aged 80-84 next, then people aged 75-79 and so on. 

The HSE has said there is some flexibility within this. For example, if the 80-year-old spouse of an 85-year-old person accompanies them to get their vaccine, they can also be given the vaccine if the GP surgery has enough supplies.

Additionally, some GP surgeries only have small numbers of patients in this cohort on their books. If this is the case, in order to avoid wasting doses, they may vaccinate all of their over 70s in a short period of time, ahead of the wider national schedule. 

A significant portion of next week’s vaccine doses will be given to people in the over 70 cohort, which is Cohort 3. 

In relation to teachers, those working in education are part of Cohort 11. There is no date set out for the start of the roll-out to this particular cohort, but there are a number of large groups in society ahead of it. 

Here’s what the sequencing list looks like, following the recent change in relation to high risk groups:

Cohort 1: Residents of long-term care facilities who are aged over 65.

Cohort 2: Frontline healthcare workers in direct patient contact.

Cohort 3: Those aged over 70.

Cohort 4: People aged 16-69 and at very high risk of severe Covid-19 disease.

Cohort 5: Those aged 65-69 and at high risk of severe Covid-19 disease.

Cohort 6: All others aged 65-69, other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact and workers key to the vaccination programme (these will all be done in parallel).

Cohort 7: Those aged 16-64 and at high risk of severe Covid-19 disease.

Cohort 8: Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64.

Cohort 9: People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded accommodation, where self-isolation/social distancing is difficult to maintain.

Cohort 10: Key workers who cannot avoid high risk of exposure such as those in food supply and public transport.

Cohort 11: Those who are essential to education, such as teachers, SNAs and childcare workers.

Cohort 12: People aged 55-64.

Cohort 13: Those in occupations important to the functioning of society, such as lecturers and people in entertainment and goods producing industries. 

Cohort 14: People aged 18-54 who did not have access to the vaccine in prior phases.

Cohort 15: If evidence demonstrates safety and efficacy, children and pregnant women (note there is specific guidance for pregnant women).

VACCINES AND LIFTING RESTRICTIONS

Several readers are looking for the light at the end of the tunnel, wondering whether this roll-out of vaccines will mean an easing of restrictions, allowing people to move around more and mix.

  • Is our opening of society solely dependant on vaccinations?
  • If there’s an acceleration on vaccines (both supply and administrations) will there be an acceleration to open society?
  • We had a three-week camping trip booked for France at the end of June, I accept that this will not happen now. My question is, when will the campsites in Ireland be allowed to open? I would hope that once the high risk groups are vaccinated the country can move out of restrictions or is that a very simplistic view?

There are a number of criteria that are considered when public health officials and the government consider potential easing of restrictions. These include familiar factors such as hospitalisation and ICU numbers and the rate of transmission in the community. But the success of the vaccination programme will also be key to any relaxation of restrictions.

In the US, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has said people who are fully vaccinated can gather indoors with other vaccinated people, without wearing a mask or social distancing.

The recommendations also say vaccinated people can come together in the same way — in a single household — with people considered at low risk for severe disease, such as in the case of vaccinated grandparents visiting healthy children and grandchildren.

CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky called the guidance a “first step” towards restoring normality in how people come together.

She said more activities would be cleared for vaccinated individuals once caseloads and deaths decline, more Americans are vaccinated, and as more science emerges on the ability of those who have been vaccinated to get and spread the virus.

In Ireland, we saw the first movement on restrictions linked to vaccinations this week, with the announcement that nursing home residents will be able to receive more regular visits from 22 March. Health officials have said there is a clear link between the low levels of disease in these settings currently and the vaccination of residents that has been taking place since the start of the year.

Residents will be able to have two visits per week if 80% of residents and staff at the nursing home have been vaccinated. There is no requirement to limit these visits to under an hour.

Ultimately, having the majority of the population vaccinated will be a significant factor in a return to ‘normal’. In the shorter-term, as we approach the 5 April deadline set by the government to assess the situation and the restrictions in place, the vaccination programme will not impact on those decisions.

Any easing will still depend on a significant reduction in transmission levels and hospital numbers.

Speaking earlier this week, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said some measures that might be on the table in April are further outdoor activities like non-contact sports, a change to the 5km rule and the wider return of construction work. But any wider re-opening of society is a long way off.

“We want to get to the point where this is a virus that we can live with, that it’s like the flu – it’s there but it doesn’t force us to close down our country,” he told Galway Bay FM. “And that prospect is definitely there for this year. We could be there this summer, we could be there this autumn.

“But there are things we just don’t know. Among things we just don’t know is how long does your immunity last for after you get the vaccine? And also to what extent could the virus evolve to outwit the vaccines and become resistant to the vaccine.

“So there is a concern in the scientific community and the government would share this, that we can’t relate problems next winter, because not only could Covid come back next winter, there’s also all the other respiratory viruses.”

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    Mute Ciaran Whyte
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    Mar 14th 2021, 9:09 PM

    Paying back a loan, which is charging interest, whilst having cash on deposit, which is earning none.. is madness. Savings are a great idea, but not if you have debt at a much higher cost

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    Mar 14th 2021, 8:50 PM

    The coat keeps coming up, and regardless of what you said to me if I was your partner / husband, you would get a coat and to be honest, more than one coat, also I would not be letting you eat into your savings to pay bills etc, I really don’t get that, partner / married, your in bed together with everything,

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    Mar 14th 2021, 11:43 PM

    @Mick Hannigan: Surely we have moved on from a husband / partner “letting” a woman make spending choices, or thinking that he should be able to.

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    Mar 15th 2021, 7:34 AM

    @Cara Maguire: regardless of who in the relationship male or female, you help, support each other, one should not struggle because the other is having a hard time struggling to get by, I would not be happy with my wife struggling with what she brings in also she would not be happy if it was me, you support each other at all times, a coat should not be an issue, by what the article says, it really seems to be, also the savings is going down, it is clear in the article it’s a worry, the partner is working, surely the partner can offer up more support, I know she said she doesn’t really want the money from the partner for the coat, but that says to me something is wrong there imo, for me it’s all in together and it really does not seems that way reading between the lines, just my opinion,

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    Mute Jess Delahunt
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    Mar 15th 2021, 8:05 AM

    @Mick Hannigan: I agree but in fairness he did offer to buy the coat and also it doesn’t mention what he earns. Totally agree with your point do, it’s a partnership as a couple

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    Mute Cara Maguire
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    Mar 15th 2021, 9:31 AM

    @Mick Hannigan: Thanks for the response Mick. My comment wasn’t about the coat or joint decision making or relationship at all. It was specifically a response to the use of the word “letting” an adult make a decision. Language matters.

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    Mar 15th 2021, 10:37 AM

    @Cara Maguire: your just getting caught up with words, it was a point I was making, the world is gone mad, I will never get through the week without saying something that someone can break it down and come up with a problem with it, no more then anyone else can, the guy who offered the money for the coat should have talked to her, and got her to take the money for the coat, she was more afraid she had to pay it back, that is the problem, as for the word “letting”, it would be nice if people read the comment for what it meant in the overall context of things instead of trying to make an issue out of it,

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    Mute Eleanor M O'Grady
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    Mar 15th 2021, 2:21 PM

    @Mick Hannigan: “you’re getting caught up with words”. But words are all we have when commenting online – language definitely matters when we don’t have any additional context like body language, expression, tone etc

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    Mar 14th 2021, 8:14 PM

    Keep going boss things will come good i promise

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    Mute Lisa Boylan
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    Mar 14th 2021, 10:31 PM

    Agree fully with the advice to clear the loan balance from savings immediately. Will be one less outgoing a week and frees up cash flow. While savings will take a temporary hit, they are dipping in to them every week as it is and still paying the loan, savings are being hit either way. Short term pain for long term gain by clearing now. Can still save each week if the repayment itself is cleared. Also, this idea of still paying half of everything even though income is lowered, can’t afford a coat due to bills etc, tbh the other half should be stepping up a bit more there if in a position to take more of the load at the moment. It is a partnership at the end of the day.

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    Mar 14th 2021, 10:00 PM

    Get a coat from your Charity Shop!

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    Mar 14th 2021, 10:15 PM

    @Desmond Lyons: It’s closed. We’re in lockdown, haven’t you heard?

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    Mar 14th 2021, 10:30 PM

    @Em Gee: that’s a strange name you’ve got!

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    Mar 14th 2021, 11:41 PM

    Bit worrying that he/she is dreading the meeting and that it’s a bit tense. Surely the environment should be supportive and ‘charitable’ – they’re working for a charity ffs.

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    Mar 14th 2021, 11:54 PM

    This lady should forget about working in the charity shop and start writing a cookery book or work in catering she’s making me hungry with all the lovely food she’s cooking

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    Mute Alan McArdle
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    Mar 15th 2021, 12:28 AM

    @Helen Rafferty: I was thinking the very same! The food is imaginative (more so than my brain allows me) and sounds delicious!

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    Mute Helena O Riordan
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    Mar 15th 2021, 5:20 AM

    Take the money your husband kindly offered and buy the coat, life is much too short
    Yes clear the loan with the savings which aren’t for a rainy day as you obviously won’t buy a coat with it.
    Why pay a weekly payment with interest when you have the money sitting there to pay
    Put on your new coat and go for a nice carefree walk
    Be happy

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    Mute Brigid Anne McCormick
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    Mar 15th 2021, 2:39 AM

    Yes, the “Partner” thing is strange to me, for a whole lot of reasons, death, breakup and all those legal nightmares. If I were her, I would have the necessary documents to insure that my interests were taken care off. Loans will always keep you poor, so change your ways, please. For expensive items and to get a coat that would normally cost a whole lot, I go on resale sites. Plus, you need a good mac to go over it! You are a good lady.

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    Mute Brian Hunt
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    Mar 15th 2021, 9:55 AM

    Your doing great. Splitting costs between you and hubby wouldn’t be for me, ye are in it together. My advise for the cost – just buy it. I paid 200 for mine in October and I live in it. It’s waterproof and so warm. You won’t regret it
    As for the job, you do work hard so definitely look around when Covid is over. There is plenty of evening courses (usually in September) you can always up skill in the evening time. Do your research now and be ready in September. Canada is great. If ye could afford to do it, rent out your house for a year , that gives ye tome to decide while enjoying life over. Best of luck

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    Mar 14th 2021, 11:54 PM

    This lady should forget about working in the charity shop and start writing a cookery book or work in catering she’s making me hungry with all the lovely food she’s cooking

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    Mar 14th 2021, 11:54 PM

    This lady should forget about working in the charity shop and start writing a cookery book or work in catering she’s making me hungry with all the lovely food she’s cooking.

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    Mar 15th 2021, 9:49 AM

    Why is the the salary before tax not stated? Only the net salary is given. we don’t know anything about the distribution of the couples tax credits nor other deductions. The journal needs to ensure consistency across these articles.

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    Mute Pat Redmond
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    Mar 15th 2021, 9:53 AM

    Buy a cheap poncho to keep your existing coat dry. It will tide you over until you save for a new one but no coat is waterproof.

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    Mar 31st 2021, 10:14 AM

    Your paying 200 plus on a car loan and 600 plus on a credit union loan, why don’t you combine these and pay once to the credit union?

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    Mar 31st 2021, 10:23 AM

    2nd comment. Am I reading that right that you have 4000 in savings in the credit union, but your paying nearly 700 a month? How much do you owe? You can’t afford to pay 700 a month. I know your trying to clear it early, but I would look at the payment plan. Get that down to 400 a month or less and put 150 into your shares. Build up your savings till you have enough to clear your debt then clear it. Your throwing money away. And you have management experience?

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