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WELCOME TO HOW I Spend My Money, a series on The Journal that looks at how people in Ireland really handle their finances.
We’re asking readers to keep a record of how much they earn, what they save if anything, and what they’re spending their money on over the course of one week.
Are you a spender, a saver or a splurger? We’re looking for readers who will keep a money diary for a week. If you’re interested send a mail to money@thejournal.ie. We would love to hear from you.
Each money diary is submitted by readers just like you. When reading and commenting, bear in mind that their situation will not be relatable for everyone, it is simply an account of a week in their shoes, so let’s be kind.
Last time around, we heard from an accountant earning €68K in Leinster. This week, a clinical nurse specialist on €58K but currently on maternity leave in Dublin.
I am a 32-year-old married woman living in Dublin. I live with my husband, our seven-month-old baby boy and our dog. We bought our house five years ago. I am a clinical nurse specialist in a public hospital. I have been on maternity leave since June 2023 and since December 2023, I am on 16 weeks of unpaid leave.
I am due to return to work in July 2024. How you would sum up my saving ability is, I transfer €500 into the credit union monthly and then slowly but surely, transfer the €500 and then some back into the current account by the end of the month! I have great intentions with budgeting and spending, but I have a serious online shopping addiction and know every Amazon and Fastway courier by their first names.
Living above my means is my strong point. Prior to maternity leave, I was shopping for clothes for myself constantly, however now most of my money would be spent on baby sensory or music classes and coffees and granola bowls out with my new mum friends!
Occupation: Nurse
Age: 32
Location: Dublin
Salary: €58,000
Monthly pay (net): €3,400
Additional income: €140 children’s allowance monthly. I saved €6,500 last year to keep me going on my unpaid leave
Monthly expenses
Transport: €70 a month on petrol. I was spending €105 a month on a tax saver Luas card, but that’s on pause while I’m on maternity leave
Mortgage: €1,430 – when we bought our house five years ago I paid the down payment of the house so now my husband pays the monthly mortgage repayments and I pay the bills
Household bills: €545 – I pay our monthly bills, however for the 16 weeks I am on unpaid leave, my husband is paying these also
Phone bill: €67 a month (Usually more- it all depends how often I enter the spin cash machine trying to win big to extend my maternity leave)
Health insurance: €115 monthly for me and the baby
Groceries: We split this cost monthly €250 each. While on mat leave my husband is paying for groceries himself
Subscriptions: iTunes – €10, iCloud – €10 (extra storage as I have 55,000 photos on my phone)
Phone insurance: €9
Gym: €33
Dogs medication: €78 a month
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Monday
7.00 am: Wake up and onto Amazon first thing. Baby has now moved up in his portion sizes so I need more plastic pots for storing his homemade baby food that I spend most of my days making (€21). We are travelling to London to visit family next month so I also need to buy an on-the-go food flask for his meals to bring with us (€21). Thanks to Amazon Prime, they will be here by tomorrow.
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8.30 am: Make the baby’s lunch while he played in his new toy car walker, my most recent Facebook marketplace purchase (saved myself €50). Made him avocado and butterbeans with lemon juice. The cost alone of keeping this baby in avocados,
10.00 am: While eating my breakfast I’m back on my phone for more online shopping. Baby needs a new pram suit, he’s already grown out of three in the past four months. Time to size up! Luckily H&M online members discount gave me 15% off (being an excessive online shopper has its perks). Cost me €13. This one should last him all of four weeks only.
2.00 pm: My mum minded the baby while I went to the gym for an hour. It’s ten minutes from the house and €32 a month for membership which is handy on unpaid leave. Thank God for grandparents because that was free babysitting! I grabbed a flat white on my way (€4.50). While on the way home from the gym, I realised Valentine’s Day is coming up. Onto Etsy to buy my husband a card (€8).
7.00 pm: We put the baby to bed and have dinner. My husband has more work to do so I sit down to binge watch some TV. I’m quickly influenced by a free trial of Paramount+ so I can watch all my reality TV. Free for now… but €7.99 a month if I don’t remember to cancel by Sunday.
Today’s total: €67.50
Tuesday
7.00 am: Wake up! I was up three times overnight to feed the baby so will need extra coffee today! Thankfully breastfeeding is free. €0.
7.30 am: Feed the baby his porridge and have my first coffee. I bought a chocolate shaker on Amazon last week so I feel like I’m having a shop-bought cappuccino every morning. We should be at baby sensory class this morning but baby has a cold so giving it a miss. Sickens me to miss a week as I have pre-paid it! (€75 for the term). While feeding baby his porridge I realise there is a swimming pool nearby that we have booked for Easter and he has no swimming costume that fits him anymore. Back onto H&M and pick from the 1-2 years sizes so he can wear it in summer too. It might be too big at Easter but it will do. Got two costumes (€30.99) Thankfully shipping is free.
9.00 am: I put the baby down for first nap. Grab a shower and order some pictures online that we have been meaning to frame and put up in the house for the last seven months. Seven photos ordered – free delivery. (€37)
10.30 am: Baby woke from his nap and my plan was to drive to a nearby park and grab a coffee and a walk. However, I realise I locked the car keys in the car. My husband is in the office today, so I save myself €5 on coffee and stay at home and make my own.
1.30 pm: Baby down for a nap. Do a quick clean and tidy around house. Put on second wash of the day. Make myself a wrap and catch up on some reality TV. Another coffee.
4.30 pm: Had to take the baby to the GP. Thankful for free GP care for under 5s. Stop off at the chemist on the way home to pick up the skin cream the doctor recommended for the baby (€16.50).
6.45 pm: Have dinner and a shower and catch up on some laundry and housework before bed!
Today’s total: €84.49
Wednesday
7.00 am: Wake up and feed the baby. Great sleep last night but I’ll probably still treat myself to a coffee later.
7.30 am: Feed the baby his porridge while I drink my coffee.
9.00 am: Baby napping. I have granola yoghurt and berries and watch last night’s Love Island. We have a friend’s wedding in Italy this summer and I find the perfect dress. I add it to my cart. Realise I’m on unpaid leave and spending €300 on a dress probably wasn’t the best idea.
10.30 am: Wake baby from his nap and get ready to get out for a walk.
11.00 am: Walk to get coffee with baby and dog. Oat flat white (€4.50). Head to the swings.
11.45 am: Back home and play before lunch.
1.30 pm: Put the baby down for a nap. Chipped one of my nails and was just about to book in to have them done when I realised I probably can’t spend €40 every two weeks on shellac. Take out my trusty shellac lamp I bought during lockdown and fix that one finger. That should do me for another week or so.
3.00 pm: About to head out to Dunnes to return something when the plumber arrives to fix a leaking tap (€90). He gives me all sorts of ideas about how we could extend our house and convert the attic. Food for thought. Will discuss with my husband tonight.
4.00 pm: Play with the baby before his dinner. Book him into a music class for next week (€10.50). I bake some cookies and feed him dinner.
5.00 pm: My husband arrives in from work. I bathe the baby while he takes a call. He arrived just in time to witness the Amazon delivery man delivering my seventh package of the week.
6.00 pm: We both play with the baby and read stories before bed. I gave him a feed.
7.00 pm: We put him to bed and then I watch Room to Improve while my husband cooks our dinner.
Today’s total: €105.00
Thursday
6.30 am: Wake up. Baby had a great night. Coffee and porridge as usual. I pump some milk.
9.00 am: Have a shower and put baby down for his morning nap. Get myself ready for when he wakes to leave the house. Pack the car with his food for the day, stuff for his nap and the dog and her food. Make baked oats and blow dry my hair. I watch last night’s Love Island while eating my baked oats!
10.45 am: Get a drive-through coffee en-route to spend the day at my mum’s (€4.50).
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12.00 pm: We head for a walk with mum. Stop in the shop and buy some salads and crisps for our lunch. (€18)
4.00 pm: My sister called in, so we all head out for a walk. Two hot chocolates for me and my sister. (€9.20)
5.00 pm: Arrive home, give the baby his dinner and then it’s time for a bath. Amazon parcel was waiting at the door for me when we got back. Didn’t order anything off Amazon today, so that’s a big win!
Today’s total: €32.00
Friday
7.00 am: My husband is working from home today so he brings the baby down for porridge while I get to drink my coffee in bed until 8am. Get up and play with the baby until his nap.
9.00 am: Put baby down for his nap. I shower and get dressed, curl my hair and put on some makeup as we’re going to a friend’s house with all my mum friends and their babies for a party. 11 mums and 13 babies!
10.30 am: Wake baby from his nap, get in the car and drive to the party.
1.00 pm: Leave the little party. Baby falls asleep in the car which is the worst, danger nap, meaning I won’t get my 1.5 hours to myself at home to eat lunch and watch last night’s Love Island. Two of the girls supplied all the food for the party so I Revolute them both €10 each to contribute. (€20)
1.30 pm: Feed him lunch and play, clean the house for the rest of the day.
4.00 pm: My husband finishes work and takes the baby for a walk. I finish cleaning and have a shower. Husband comes back with baby and a bottle of wine from Dunnes – I was dying for a glass.
6.30 pm: Baby in bed. We have steak for dinner and a glass of wine.
8.00 pm: The Six Nations is on, so I head up to bed and listen to a podcast.
Today’s total: €20.00
Saturday
6.30 am: Baby is awake so I take him into our bed. My husband makes us both a coffee and we stay in bed with him while we have it. Baby has porridge and we play until 9am, when we put him down for a nap.
9.15 am: I go to the gym for an hour. Ran into the shop on my way home to get Fairy liquid. End up getting Greek yoghurt, salt and vinegar rice cakes, and biscuits for when our friends call for a coffee later (€10.57).
12.00 pm: Friends call over and we catch up with them about their upcoming wedding. Must remember to book the flights for that this weekend!
3.00 pm: Drive over to my in-laws’ and they make us dinner and play with the baby.
6.30 pm: Arrive home and put the baby to bed. Go back onto Etsy to order two cards for my brother-in-law’s 30th. (€21.88)
Today’s total: €32.45
Sunday
7.30 am: Have a lie-on this morning as my husband is off. Get up and have a coffee then play with the baby. Consider the gym but I’m not feeling great, so book in for a pedicure instead (€40). Going for the pedicure only highlights the fact I now have three more nails on my fingers that have chipped and my DIY job isn’t cutting it so I’ll have to book in to have these done also.
11.00 am: Before my pedicure, myself, my husband and the baby go for breakfast. (Husband pays). I also finally go to Dunnes to exchange two items – I’ve been meaning to do this for weeks! Exchanged for different sizes so didn’t need to pay anything extra.
11.30 am: While having my pedicure, I go onto Amazon and order the baby an Easter book seeing as he is too small for eggs! Order the same one for my twin nieces also (€9.52). While ordering the book for my nieces, I remember I need to go back onto Etsy for a godmother birthday card for my sister from the baby – another €11.50 on a card! My love for Etsy cards is getting very expensive.
5.00 pm: Chill out for the evening. Just go on a walk and we cook dinner and relax!
7.00 pm: Put the baby to bed. Have a bath myself and then head to bed for an early night as I’m exhausted. Really need to get my hair cut, but I’m waiting on a refund from Revenue for my 2023 health expenses so that will have to wait.
Today’s toal: €61.02
Weekly subtotal: €402.46
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What I learned –
Even when I don’t leave the house I have an ability to spend money. I spend far too much on Amazon and flat whites… and Etsy cards! I should probably keep some of my spending limits in place even when I return to full pay. The amount of clothes I used to buy was excessive, I can’t imagine adding the price of all my online shopping for myself onto that weekly total. I will have to cut back when we start paying for crèche this summer.
Top tips – not that I would take any money advice from myself, but a friend of mine gave me a great tip to get your statutory maternity leave paid into the credit union monthly for the first six months and then live off that for your unpaid leave. I would also set up a Depop account. I sell all my clothes I’m finished wearing. It’s a great way to earn some extra money!
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@Alan Martin: The problem is personal behaviour. That doesn’t require further closing up and damage to the economy. Is required a strong willed government who is prepared to enforce its rules.
@Alan Martin: always something, today retail, tomorrow pubs then schools, then it’s cafe’s then it’s non essential then another thing, it’s just words coming out. We just need to learn how to live with it for now. All the BS people just post have split the population into a few groups there keep attacking each other on media like this.
@Pat Mc Cormack: 421 people died by suicide in 2019, or average of 1.15 per day, not 2,200 so far this year from Covid. Stop making figures up, it diminishes the import of these deaths, both suicide and covid
@John Peeters: it’s poor leadership constantly allowing people to go to large crowded places..all not essential retail should be closed. And schools should closed now till at least February
@Mac Shéamais: I’m wondering how they can make a statement as that as it takes the state years to release accurate suicide data. Well, whatever suits the narrative
@Celtic Spirit: the problem in the “personal” bit. I know lads that refuse to wear a mask because it does not protect them. It is social responsability that is the issue. Taking care of those around you.
@nelliekel: is that the same tony holohan THAT was in charge wen all the crap with the cervical checks scandal happen and look what happened people dying he should have stayed away wen he had he time off dr death
@Ray Mulligan: I do Ray and given since March the infection rate in all retail incl non essential before even masks became mandatory was and is to this day is less than 1%.
@Tony Gordon: personal responsibility comes before social responsibility. Good personal responsibility builds a solid foundation for social responsibility.
@John O Brien: What has that got to do with the current situation that he has been tirelessly and consistently correct about? At least he can string a coherent sentence together.
@Tommy Roche: Are you denying he was responsible for the cervical cancer debacle. There’s ample amount of corroborating evidence to prove otherwise. Not to mention the families who yesterday celebrated Christmas without a mother/wife.
@Niallman: Are you denying he is responsible for the cervical cancer debacle. There’s any amount of corroborating evidence put there to prove otherwise. There also were families who had to celebrate Christmas without a wife/mother because of his cover-up.
What I dont get is why Denmark (as one example) get their first vaccines today and are administering from tomorrow morning. Another example is UK who administer their vaccines from 7am to 7pm 7 days every week. HSE in Ireland will wait to start four days later (because they all are off for Christmas) and the HSE roll-out plans are to administer vaccinations between 9am and 5pm (office hours) and only Monday to Friday. That shows how important HSE takes this national Covid emergency.
@Kerry Mink: That’s something I’m very curious about too. I have a suspicion that the 4 day delay is for some completely avoidable reason, most likely that Martin, Varadkar, Donnelly et al can get some photos. I really hope not, but will not be surprised.
@Fachtna Roe: if you have such little disregard and lack of faith in the political establishment I will happily read your vision for handling this complex, never before met situation along with still running a country during the next general elections. Ping me directly when you run.
@Pat Mc Cormack: These are not “cases”, they are positive PCR tests. In the clinical definition for all other diseases, a case also requires signs and symptoms.
@Robert Clifford: I can’t, I’m not a doctor. And I doubt that nellie is either. Hence the reason I will defer to the trained professionals. After all, You won’t want a medical doctor to have repaired your plane when your at 36000 feet, as much as you would not want me treating you for a medical condition.!
@Joe_X: also a contributing factor is pneumonia, flu, a bad fall, a number of different ailments can contribute to death at a certain age. Yet they hide the age in the main headline, they hide the fact that they may have had a underlying condition, they hide the fact that they died with or from covid.. you ever ask the question as to why?
@Michael Philips: If I have bloods taken as part of a general check up by my GP, and it’s Identified through testing of those bloods that I have a disease or Virus which that’s not considered a case?
@Aaron O Brien: why don’t you enlighten us all? I am fairly sure that these people would be still alive if not for the CoViD-19, after all, that is the disease that the virus causes, not the virus itself. I’m sure many more people died today that had SARS-COV-2 in their system but was not a contributing factor. You see, that is what you all forget. If you die with CoViD-19 you have the disease. You can still have the virus in your system in which case you die with SARS-COV-2
@james foley: so James, if you get hit by a car and end up on the operating table and die from a heart attack.
Will your family decide that the car accident killed you or the heart attack? Any sane person would know it was the car that did the damage and contributed the most to the situation causing your death.
People are dieing that would otherwise not die due to covid, as such covid killed them.
@Joe_X: so do you think in 2 months anyone who is a case will be dead??? Every day since March there have been cases yet Leo said no extra winter deaths
@Barry Somers: same if you have heart attack and die but are asymptomatic for covid but test positive for covid..which would be the main cause..the heart attack or asymptomatic covid
@Pat Mc Cormack: if we’re were told there would only be 23 cases in ICU on 26th Dec along with 260ish in hosp 6 weeks ago, it would be classified as a roaring success. That doesn’t make headlines though.
@Joe_X: ah no Joe …. you insist that Lockdown is the only show in town and anyone who submits an alternative strategy is selfish. I won’t put myself in the line of your fire.
@Alan Gee: I know what you are refering to and you either misunderstood what I said or trying to intentionly interpret it in a way that puts words in my mouth. Alan is refering to this morning’s article on the vaccine delivery.
Those that put themselves first instead of following the guidelines that are meant to protect us all protect us all are selfish. Those that believe no- one tells them what to do. Lockdowns were not the only guideline I meant, after all they are the last resort, even though you seem to have picked it up that way. What about the wearing of masks, or the max number of people allowed meet, or the €9 in a pub. There are reasons for them all, and you should be capable of understanding the why behind them if you are indeed a doctor as you claim.
@Spongetron: Probably due to the massive outbreak on the Beaumont and a nursing home in Dundalk. H.S.E refusing to comment tonight on nursing home even though there’s been several deaths over the last couple of weeks.
@Lorrimore: a friend in israel applied for the corona jab.. Had a blood test. Got the result the same day. And is having the jab today..
So why is ireland dragging it’s feet.
@Victor Feldman: what’s that question got to do with Lorrimore’s? i’ll answer though and give a wild guess, different country, different system, different logistics.
@Victor Feldman: your friend must either be over 60 or have a preexisting condition if he’s already received the first dose. You make it sound like anyone who wishes can be vaccinated when in fact to date Israel hasn’t received enough doses to make this possible.
Myself and husband have been waiting since 11.30 for a test appointment. 5 hours after i spoke to the nurse. I assume at this stage it will be tomorrow before we get the test, then a day or 2 for results. We are isolating but what about our contacts from previous days? This isn’t good enough.
@Melissa OHara: good luck with the test and results – I hope you get an early appointment and speedy results.
I know someone got assigned an appointment for this morning on Christmas eve. Others were getting results in about 24 hours but that may have changed and be longer.
I think your contacts are only followed up if you test positive. Remembering that about 95% of tests are negative and it would not be possible to contact the contacts of everyone who is sent for testing. Also remember that the incubation period does allow a few days leeway in following up – I am sure someone has a time related flow chart for all this…
@Winston Smith: we don’t know if we have it Winston and if we do then I don’t know is the answer to your question. My husband is a frontline worker so it could be that, or i got it doing the food shopping, or one of my children got it. Does it matter? Is it only people who have done something wrong who get sick? We both woke up with sore throats on Christmas eve. I spoke with my doctor who said it’s not a main symptom but they have seen many people start off with it. On her advice we cancelled Christmas dinner with my parents in law. Yesterday as the day went on we both deteriorated and started coughing and having flu like symptoms. So we decided we should get tested. Regardless, if we are +ve I won’t be looking for someone to blame but rather worrying about who I could have made sick!
@Winston Smith: maybe she became a close contact through work, as I did. Or on public transport. There is no sense in blaming people, as nobody sets out to get this and the vast majority have been doing their part. Best of luck Melissa.
@Melissa OHara: I am a close contact of a positive case from last Tuesday and still waiting for hse call as well as others. After isolating since we arranged private tests today and will have results tomorrow. Pointless hse waiting several days to contact.
@Melissa OHara: why do you need to be told what to do?
Call your close contacts and tell them you are going for a test as you have symptoms. Untill you have the results they should act as if they had it and isolate, or if they can’t do so, they must extreme their precautions and follow all the already known heath advices at all time.
They might then stop visiting their elderly parents or extreme their precautions at home if they live with people at risk while they could potentially be pre/asymptomatic.
As Niall Ó Cofaigh said the hse can not do this with every person going for a test, but everyone going for a test and their contacts CAN do it themselves. And unless everyone involved can work out when contact was made in relation to incubation time, those 2 or 3 days before having your result can make a big difference in transmissions.
@Dan: the first lockdown only worked well because of the time of year. The second lockdown didn’t do so great because we were all indoors with weaker immune systems due to lower vitamin d etc.
@Tomo: Did each lockdown cause a reduction (or slow the increase of) cases? Did the ICUs become overwhelmed? If you only measure lockdown success by whether or not it eradicated COVID, you’re going to be disappointed. Every time.
@John Murphy: really interesting point except complete bs, are you aware of when your vitamin D levels are the highest. It’s not in the height of summer , it peaks/lags a few months behind the season but good layman input
@Dan: You must be well rested after your 6 month sleep if you didn’t notice all the actions and plans gov have in place. Thanks to most people being sensible and following the advice our covid numbers were down to some of the lowest in Europe. Your anti government bile is blurring things for you. Anyone can see Ireland has been doing well in comparison to most other countries in Europe.
@Dan: Varadkar wanted to be the guy who opened everything back up before handing the keys to Martin. Wanted to go out as the big hero, but instead it came flooding back and then he can just blame FF if anyone points the finger at him.
@John Murphy: Many studies confirming this now. Seems like we should all be supplementing Vit D, older and more vulnerable especially. It’s not something I’ve heard the gov recommending though, for some strange reason. It’s another example of areas where I feel they could be doing something but just aren’t. Not sure this is a bad thing though exactly; regularly supplementing could bring levels up to a reasonable level. (Super milk in the cuppa tea alone won’t be enough though, unfortunately)
@mark o donovan: far more testing is being done. Better contact tracing measures too. All countries have significantly enhanced this aspect of their surveillance measures. Back in June, all this was new to us
@Bobby: And given that all corona viruses are seasonal by nature. There was no difference in summer months between countries with lockdown restrictions and those without. The virus effectively died out and increased again in November due to seasonality.
@mark o donovan: Because the first lockdown was pretty much a full lock down. Everyonestayed away as best they could from each other. The masks were meant to stop us spreading from each other when close by, but everyone needs to be doing it, but they are not.
Six people died WITH Covid, how many died FROM Covid? These numbers are misleading…and no I’m not anti vaccine, not dismissing the seriousness, just asking for clarity.
@Joan Featherstone: What would this clarity answer for you? That younger, healthier people are less likely to die than older people or those with comorbidities? It doesn’t really matter overall if you died as a direct result of covid or not. Please stop with these questions unless there’s actually a point.
@Noel Kelly: it’s a perfectly reasonable question to ask. Ie died from COVID or with COVID ?
I’ve noticed that the average mortality age from COVID is no longer reported and ask why ?
Does this info not fit with the fear / hysteria propelled by Government and general media.
People should question things and think outside the box.
@Jim Shevlin: Also, I agree people should question things and not just take at face value everything; the key is asking the right questions. It’s obvious from the briefings and even Holohan himself (he said it straight, basically) that their aim is to have everyone afraid enough to take their restrictions seriously. If info is omitted, most likely they didn’t feel it was info most people wanted to know, and for those who do, it’s freely available to look up. It’s also possible they’re redacting in order to feed the fear, I guess. But again: what good does asking did they die with or from Covid? What info do you get out of it?
@Noel Kelly: there is a significant difference…….a very significant difference…..reporting deaths ‘with’ covid implies that all these people are catching the virus and it is killing them….but thats not what is happening…..the average age of deaths is 84…and 90% have an underlying condition….now the scaremongers and anxiety ridden amoung us are being led to believe that over 2000 people have died as a result of getting covid 19 , being admitted to icu and dying as a result…but the actual number of deaths of those incidents is far far far lower…..and it would be good at this stage (10 months later) for us to be told on a daily basis X number of people have died as a direct result of covid 19 and x number of people were already ill , suffering with a different health complication have tested positive and died with covid – but that was not the main cause of death…..its not complicated really
@Dave Hammond: What would be the benefit of people believing Covid is less serious than it actually is ? There are enough out there ignoring guidelines as it is.
@Cliff Burnby: I wouldn’t advocate for the opposite either. People shouldn’t be living in fear or freaking out. Take care, adhere to the restrictions in place (while asking questions), but generally keep a clear head and use common sense. There’s a level of seriousness for Covid but I believe there is a fair amount of people are on one side of a divide or the other. One side overblowing everything and being led along and the other not arsed and making conspiracy theories. Both are as bad as each other. Thankfully, there’s another fair amount taking a balanced approach.
@Eddie Forde: That won’t be enough. We need a proper 21st century police state with mass surveillance. All human rights should be taken away from us. Anybody that fails to denounce their neighbour for any wrongdoings should be sent to a labour camp. It’s time to end the softly softly approach on dealing with covid.
@mar: that did work in China. If you believe them. Seems like we are doomed to be in lockdown and restrictions for early this year. In fairness some people who are obeying the rules are annoyed at those who are not and jeopardising public health.
@Adam Conroy: house parties are mainly after 10 pm. When large amounts of alcohol are taken all guidelines are out the window. We can’t keep closing businesses on one hand, and turning a blind eye to parties with below cost price alcohol . We need to try something new.
That piece of cotton you keep in the glove compartment or jeans back pocket and rarely wash does not stop a virus from spreading, who would have thought.
@Michael Philips: Can you give it a rest about the Face Masks already…… They reduce your chance of getting it or spreading it to others…. What makes you think the people who got it were, or were not, wearing masks?
If you do not want to wear one that’s fine, but stop bleating on about it without any evidence to back it up.
@Michael Philips: no one ever said they stop the virus from spreading, they reduce its spread. I think a part of you knows this but refuses to acknowledge it
@Michael Philips: all those PPE are working with the restrictions to slow the spread of the virus. Had we done nothing how many people would have contracted Covid by now? A lot. So please stop saying that these measures don’t work just because the numbers are high. If we had level 5 restrictions all the time you’d be first to complain.
@Fiona Fitzgerald: Open your eyes. Most people I see walking into shops pull out these dirty dingy masks from their pockets and put them on before entering shops.
@Eoin McLove: cases also doubling each week, so could be over 2000 cases a day by next week.
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Though hopefully see impact of restrictions in next few days and at the least, numbers stabilise
@Eoin McLove: When you say “current”, what do you mean? Even if we made the big assumption that all 2,200 people died from COVID (not with) and divided that number by the 85k identified COVID cases (the likely number is far higher), I am still left with 0.25%. Please provide workings for your assertion above and please highlight the assumptions you are making.
@EnKy: hi EnKy,
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Yeah, not very clear alright. By current I mean last few months: we’ve been averaging 500 reported cases a day and 5 deaths a day. CSO did more detailed analysis and got 1% too.
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Looks like you’re a decimal point off in your calc.
2.5% is too high to apply to case numbers since summer though as we’re catching a lot more infections now alright than first wave.
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Actual fatality rate for every infection, and not just reported cases, as per WHO, is 0.6%, which makes sense.
@EnKy: It is too early in the day
- it is more like 2.5% not 0.25% – – I rechecked the maths –
Ireland cases – 85,394
Ireland Deaths – 2,200
85394 : 2200
- divide 85394 into both and multiply by 100 to get the percentage.
2.5762934%
I am not being critical – but I think you got the decimal point in the wrong place. – well someone did. On the world scale it is running around 3% as well. I do hope that the 2.5% is based on older figures when you needed two symptoms to be tested and the figure will be a lot lower as we are testing workers and asymptomatic people and close contacts as well as single symptom individuals… but based on probability and existing statistics it is likely that some of those cases today will not see spring or summer and to the families it is immaterial if it is 1 or 12 or 30 or 36.
@Niall Ó Cofaigh: thats assuming that everyone who had it actually went for a test too. I wonder what the actual number of cases is..i guess we will never know.
@Derek Gannon: I do agree, which is why I included the requirements for testing when we had the higher death rate. Just from reading about antibody testing, which might indicate how many cases there were compared to those tested, and it suggests that maybe we are detected 10% to 33% of cases (i,e 1 in 10 or 1 in 3). This is based on results from other countries not Ireland… but I really hope we are detecting lots of mild cases and the true death rate will be as low as possible.
@Eoin McLove: I imagine the cases will be over the 2000 in a week. Heading for 3000. Which is where the English numbers are these days per capita. It may take 10/14 days for the figures to stabilise. Also we have the new variant to think about.
@Niall Ó Cofaigh: HSE did an antibody study in dublin and sligo after first wave and determined 1 in 3 infections reported.
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You’d have to figure we’re around 1 in 2 now.
@Niall Ó Cofaigh: its a pity there is not more transparency with the numbers though.. ie hospital settings , nursing homes etc. . You certainly sound like you have done your research anyway !
@Eoin McLove: I think that it inevitably will. Was speaking to a friend living in London early this week. The increase of the infection rate in south east England is scary. That is with restrictions in place.
We will have a difficult few months ahead of us. Another friend told me the R0 of the new variant is about .4/.6 higher than that of regular Covid. He had seen two articles on it. And that is in a restrictions setting.
@Eoin McLove: and what is the probability of 12 people in the 80+ age group with an underlying health condition dying if there was no covid ? the scare mongering here is nonsense.
@Dave Hammond: the same probability as myself and yourself dying. 100%. We will all die someday. I’m sure when you are hopefully 80 you would like to live a bit longer.
@Adam Conroy: “How many in hospital or ICU?” – Sure when you look this up come back and tell us…. I know where to get my data thank you – but I will give you a clue – well two starting points
Well Darwinism plays a huge part in the numbers over the next few weeks. If you start having symptoms over next days to week and you visited you pensioner age parents over Christmas you own what happens to them. If the figures rise that’s partly on you.
Many if us chose to do the right thing. Many didn’t
@Tom Ripley: visiting your parents or grandparents is not the wrong thing to do at Christmas. Anyone can catch this at any time doing pretty much anything. People like you, empathy vacuums, are not what is needed right now…
@David Clements: I agree with tom it is absolutely wrong and if a visitor brings covid to their parents and they end up in ventilator I wonder how they will live with that?
Probably quite easy, people like you seem to justify their selfishness.
With all the figures and how they will explode over the next week or two I’m sure that situation will happen.
Empty vacuum? Empty brain or greed. Not sure you’re fine of them for sure
@sister sexy: “I agree with tom it is absolutely wrong and if a visitor brings covid to their parents and they end up in ventilator I wonder how they will live with that?” ………….. the visitor or the parent or the child?
Why is that anyone with a view different from you is selfish?
What I witnessed in an HSE hospital in 2020 was like nothing I have seen in two decades ….and I’m talking about the psychological impact of Lockdowns. What makes you so certain you are not the selfish one?
I live in Dublin, the supposed epicentre of Ireland. I’ve a wide enough circle of friends. Very large family. I know one person through a friend of a friend that tested positive for covid. He recovered fully after 7 days.
Similar story when I ask others. It’s hardly reason for panic. I’m not concerned about others opinions on this. Just stating a fact.
@Joe: I know someone who works in ICU and has had to turn off life support on people who have died from the virus (and no they weren’t all old or had underlying conditions) but sure it’s nothing to worry about.
@Sam Harms: I know someone who works in ICU in a Dublin hospital and they were telling me ICU numbers relating to covid were extremely low this time round.
@Sam Harms: I’m talking about my own personal experience, considering the mania and locking the country down, I personally and the sane goes for my family don’t know anyone who’s tested positive bar 1 person and he recovered quickly (60’s). I don’t believe those who’ve died didn’t have underlying conditions or were very old. The survival rate is 99.98%
@Joe: how’d you figure out that 99.98%. Have a look at the maths of others in the comments. I’d say we are looking at a fatality rate between .5 and 1 %. That’s a lot of people.
@Richard Williamson: no it isn’t.. It’s not enough to close down a country and destroy an economy.. 0.5% and 70-80% of people’s lives ruined, our children’s children will be the ones that will be most affected by this.. 10 months in and I still have yet to meet someone who actually contracted this “killer virus”
@Richard Williamson: Infection fatality rate is 0.23%. So it’s correct. This is published global findings (although not widely communicated by RTE or in NPHET briefings).
@Aaron O Brien: You’re very lucky. I know a dozen people that have had it. One of whom died, one of whom still has no sense of taste or smell 7 weeks later and one who is still suffering from debilitating fatigue.
@Niall Ó Cofaigh: bit of a weak excuse, if they have the total number to give out they have the county by county numbers, could easily be added to press release without too much extra work.
@Sean Dalton: I am not using it as an excuse, just i had noticed recently that sometimes the stats were up to 2 days old on the app, over the weekend, so I decided to look further and found this release “As of the week beginning 22nd June, NPHET reports will not be produced on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays. Friday’s report will be posted on the HPSC website on Saturday and Monday’s report will be posted on the HPSC website on Tuesday. The daily number of cases and deaths is published seven days a week in the NPHET press release.”
– but the county reports are elsewhere – I wonder about the data processing order…. the total number of tests and results and then some validation and then a breakdown… anyway for whatever reason they are not available and , as I said before, this has been the case but just no one seems to have noticed much before.
@Brian Stafford: About 15.6% on average remain asymptomatic.
“A total of 50,155 patients from 41 studies with confirmed COVID‐19 were included. The pooled percentage of asymptomatic infection is 15.6% (95% CI, 10.1%‐23.0%).”
He, J., Guo, Y., Mao, R. and Zhang, J., 2020. Proportion of asymptomatic coronavirus disease 2019: A systematic review and meta‐analysis. Journal of medical virology.
Track and trace is NOT working. I had dinner with 5 other people last Monday, 48 hours later 2 were confirmed positive. HSE told them they wouldn’t be contacting anyone 24+ hrs out. I’m now self isolating but bizarre to me that we have not been contacted?
@CSR: why do u need to eat with 5 other people during the only global pandemic of your lifetime. You’re wondering why resources aren’t being pumped into contacting u when someone u dined with was tested positive. Surely you’re aware of the procedure. What happens next. What you should do. You can’t be that ignorant! In any case… Chances are you’d ignore the advice on said call if youre the type to be out with 5 people during the most infectious week we’ve had this whole year
@Brianto: In fairness what business is that of yours. They didn’t break any “rules” government guidelines are you can dine with 6 people. Wind your neck in too many interfering busybodies like you about. Mind yourself, follow correct procedures and leave others alone.
The new vaccine wont work in the new mutant strains with many alterations on the spike protein ( the x taget for the vaccine). 2021 is gonna be another repeat of 2020,
Test count data and some others some may only be compiled and updated during the normal working week.
Here are the latest from the Hub stats database linked to above..
ICU Figures are down from 25 on Christmas Day (6:30 pm) to 23 today (26/12/2020 @ 6:15 pm).
Hospital cases are up from 253 at 11 am Christmas Day to 268 at 11 am today (26/12/2020)
Be aware that the “discharges” and “admissions” seen on the app does not relate to changes in hospital numbers as some people test positive and are discharged immediately as they do not need hospital care. The best way determine the number is to just look at totals from day to day
So all these cases were on Christmas Day ???
Old cases, new cases, ???
If it takes four days to get the latest results does that mean we will have a no new cases day ???
@Sommer Church: sure if they did that then the scaremongering headline wouldn’t have it’s desired effect.. HIGHEST NUMBERS EVER, WE ARE ALL DOOMED.. COVER YOUR SNOTS, MASK UP, WASH YOUR B@LLS BLAH BLAH BLAH.. we’ll be grand, the magic vaccine will save us all ( well those st@pid enough to take it )
Look at the amount of people in this photo. Can people not just stay at home?
I’d love to carry on as normal but it’s not normal. Stay the f—k at home you selfish b______s
I think until someone you know/loves gets the virus and shockingly passes away you then understand the need for all this face masking, 2 metres apart, no hugging action that we all need to be adhering too to try and save the people we love!
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