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Recycling 'This can't go on. I want refundable deposits on bottles and cans. It can be done'

The schemes that work in other countries can work here too, writes Victoria White.

THIS CAN’T GO on, it really can’t. I’ve been picking up bottles and cans from the banks of the River Dodder with the campaign group, Dodder Action, for the past five years.

At certain locations and at certain times, bottles, whether glass or plastic, and cans make up two-thirds of the junk we pick up. Hundreds of tin cans. Hundreds of glass bottles. Hundreds of plastic bottles.

Chucked by irresponsible people – or people who’ve gone beyond being responsible – beside one of the finest city rivers in Europe. Chucked there for someone else to pick up. Chucked there with no thought of the wasted resources.

The fifth Dodder Action Day kicks off on Saturday with clean-up points from Tallaght to Donnybrook, and this year we’re going to separate the bottles and cans and make a mountain of them to demand action from government.

Refundable deposits on bottles

We want refundable deposits on bottles and cans. We’re not interested in being told it can’t be done.

It is already done in different ways and to varying degrees in a huge number of developed countries such as Denmark, Iceland, Israel, Lithuania, certain Australian states, Canada, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Sweden, Norway and eleven US states.

“Reverse vending machines” are common in most of these jurisdictions, taking in recyclables and spitting back cash.

Incredible return rates are achieved in some countries, such as 100 percent for beer bottles in Ontario, to Iceland where 90 percent of aluminium cans and 87 percent of plastic bottles are recycled, to Finland which recycles 94 percent of cans and 92 percent of plastic bottles.

Very small deposits are the norm in most countries, ranging from less than 10 cents per item to  a high of about 40 cents for large bottles in Finland. In some countries consumers are charged a deposit by the shop to which they return the item and recoup their cash.

“Bring” centres for recyclables

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In other countries there is more State intervention, with central “bring” centres for recyclable goods.

Each country is different, though all EU countries must contend with anti-competition legislation which means there must be a level playing field for domestically-produced and imported items. Ireland, with small shops and diverse shopping habits, needs centralised reverse vending machines in bring centres.

I think the government needs to charge the drinks companies a fee to run the deposits scheme, with financial support from the industry via the several bodies which represent them.

It just isn’t right that single use containers are sold cheaply in the shops and chucked into the environment with no consequences for the people who make the cash out of this trade.

I don’t care that such a scheme may impact on the commercial viability of Repak’s recycling services, as is suggested in their incredibly negative report into deposits in 2008.

People might recycle if there was a cash incentive

The people who drink in our open-air beauty spots mostly don’t recycle at all. The recycling is done by volunteer groups who clean up after the drinking parties. The cost to the quality of our local amenities is incalculable.

Scotland has just done a study to look at bringing in a deposit scheme and they had it paying for itself in two years, partly because of the massive cost of litter to the environment, with drinks containers constituting about 17 percent of litter.

The Repak report reckoned drink containers to constitute about 5 percent of our litter and warned that a deposit system would only improve our recycling rate by 1.4 percent overall.

But even if these statistics are correct, they don’t take into account the impact of open-air drinking on certain locations.

The report doesn’t factor in the sad fact that the people who engage in this behaviour don’t recycle. But some of them might if there was a cash benefit.

Let’s debunk the myth

And if they don’t, there are plenty of less well-off people who would be more than happy to help pick up bottles and cans if it meant a little cash dividend.

I’m looking for a State-sponsored, State-run, mechanised deposit system for glass bottles, aluminium cans and plastic bottles in manned bring centres.

It’s time to debunk the myth that schemes which work well all over the developed world can never work here and clear the rash of bottles and cans off the face of this beautiful country.

Please join Dodder Action Day on Saturday April 22 at 11 am at any of these locations:

  • Donnybrook: Iron Bridge, Brookvale Road
  • Clonskeagh House
  • Milltown: Carpark opposite Wilde and Green
  • Orwell Road: The Kiosk
  • Rathfarnham: Footbridge to Bushy Park
  • Rathfarnham: Meadowbrook Leisure Centre, Brookvale Road
  • Knocklyon: Spawell Link Road car park
  • Firhouse: park entrance, Mount Carmel Park
  • Old Bawn: park entrance, near Homelawn Road
  • Whitestown Stream: St Dominic’s School

Details on www.dodderactiondublin.com or register at dodderaction@gmail.com. Dodder Action is on Facebook and Twitter.

Victoria White is a writer, journalist and chair of Dodder Action.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:38 PM

    Fake outrage, purely because he criticises them and their policies. If he agreed with them, then they’d have no problem with him “interfering”, i.e expressing his opinions. A bunch of authoritarians is all they are.

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    Simp harder for the billionaire, simp. HARDER!

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:53 PM

    @Chop Chop: Musk, like Trump and JK Rowling, was a media darling until he began to criticise “the left” “the narrative” “woke ideology” whatever you want to call it, the “general consensus” amongst politicians, the media, celebrities etc.. Once he began to do that, the hit pieces started, to change public opinion against him. It’s a tactic that they use quite successfully, and it works on a lot of people. Here’s one example from the Guardian of all places, singing his praises in 2013 ww.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/24/tech-128-2013-was-the-year-of-the-dark-web-elon-musk-and-h-from-steps (you have to edit the link as I can’t post it in full)

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:54 PM

    @F1rYnpWc: Off to bed now sonny. Adults talking.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:01 PM

    @Chop Chop: nice made up story bro. Keep simping for the billionaires, they’re on your side, the peasant worker! lol

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:03 PM

    @Chop Chop: Yes, he was better before he started to promote misinformation and far-right propaganda, obviously. Being far-right yourself, of course you’re not going to see this.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:05 PM

    @F1rYnpWc: ok

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    @Brendan O’Brien: “he was fine until he disagreed with me” What a childish attitude you have.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:18 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: mainstream politicians & their NGO and MSM buddies want to have a monopoly on misinformation.
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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:21 PM

    @Chop Chop: I gave you credit for a bit more intelligence. Read my comment again.

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    @Brendan O’Brien: To be honest, I don’t really need to read any of your posts as they’re so predictable.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:33 PM

    @Chop Chop: I’d say Musk was well under the radar, until he accused an innocent man of being a paedophile. Tesla cars are lovely, but funding a man who thinks nothing of spreading dangerous lies, turns my stomach.

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    @Trolls R’ us : brenny, you reckon every poster on journal.ie is ( your favourite term , along with ‘simp’) ‘far right’ ?

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    @sean weir: no

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    @Brendan O’Brien: funny how you always see the lefties spout promote misinformation and far right propaganda, and think we all believe their woke tearful shite

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    @Kieran Conroy: Ye rednecks love shooting up any product ye disagree with but when “lefty Liberals” Boycott something ye throw your toys outta the pram. Go shoot some more Bud light

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    @Dave G Doe: And doing it in electric cars

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    @Paul: You must have been asleep when the right wing loons started banning books, rolling back on lgbt rights, rolling back on womens rights etc etc. The only people calling for these erosions of rights are… *drum roll* the right wing loons. Off ya fk.

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    @Ian: Books that teach children about fisting should be banned. If I’m a “right wing loon” for thinking that, then I’ll happily wear that badge.

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    @Ian: Hey boy! We will always fight against books that sexualise kids. As for 147 genders…(LOL!!!) You far-leftist wokist’s day is done. Watch out boy…MAGA

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    @Chop Chop: You’re the most brainwashed person on here. Get some fresh air.

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    @Dave G Doe: Trump deliberately walking in miss town usa changing rooms when the underage girls were changing. Supporting a paedo is on brand fir you alright

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:39 PM

    Elon Musk is without doubt dangerous, then again so is Zuckerberg who has changed his position with Trump coming on line,…then again so is Soros, who are all basically in a battle for the new frontier of social media driven information as MSM and TV stations heamorage, money from ads, drop off of viewership as eveyone streams information,
    Soros is losing badly,.but this won’t end well no matter who wins, especially with AI,.
    World is gonna be a rollercoaster Ride

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    its usually the ones that are trying to do the silencing that are the corrupt ones

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:42 PM

    Oh the irony ,, MEP ‘s complaining about interference

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:39 PM

    No worries when it’s Soros though.

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    Jan 17th 2025, 7:42 AM

    @John Smith: when has Soros done this?

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    @JoeJoe Kilbride: soros , Mr abortion. Need those stem cells to try and live forever

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:02 PM

    Musk is at least listening to the issues that the vast majority of people are concerned with, unlike EU elites who are pushing minority agendas.
    Damn the EU

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:17 PM

    @Gary Condren: Musk is an authoritarian. He’s not some fighter for free speech. He’d soon have the vast majority of us employed as worker ants.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:26 PM

    @Gary Condren: what? Musk doesn’t give a flying fk about anyone’s issues only his own. You cannot be so fkin gullible, yet here you are and all the other Musk simps fawning over the richest man in the world thinking he fkin cares about the likes of you lmfao

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    @Gary Condren: Well said buddy! MAGA

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:33 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: fk off to America, so.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:40 PM

    @Gary Condren: what issues are these?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:54 PM

    Time for the woke to go back asleep

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    Jan 17th 2025, 8:12 AM

    Elon the champion of woke all the same tho :)

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    Did they write about Soros?

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    @Dan Murphy: Yes! They never shut up about him.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:27 PM

    Someone should tell musty Musk that it is 2025.

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    @Patricia Mc namara: He knows. 2025. The year the libtards were consigned to the dustbin of history. MAGA

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    @Kieran Conroy: Facist POS

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:39 PM

    @Kieran Conroy: why are you on an Irish outlet celebrating a cult that’s intent on putting US billionaires first, to the detriment of the rest of the world?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:49 PM

    The usual will be simping HARD for this dorķy billionaire. Bet they feel closer to being this billionaire than to their fellow broke coworker in their medǐôcře job

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:01 PM

    musk must be doing something right so
    Pity they were not so worried about the Gaza genocide many of the Irish MPs voting against the ceasefire over a year ago

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:01 PM

    @Kevin O Brien: Jayes that Musk rat is causing horrendous trouble all over the place and scaring the bejapers outa the lot of ye !

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:30 PM

    I’ve got no personal problem with Musk, but sometimes he can come out with some poorly-thought out or childish insults online. However, the fact that he founded SpaceX and StarLink as well as co-founding Tesla, PayPal and OpenAI means that he clearly brings much more to the table than people accuse him of taking away. There is a definitely lot of faux outrage coming from the EU. I don’t like the AFD at all. I think they’re economically illiterate when they come out in support of tariffs and against free trade. I don’t like the way they suck up to Russia and attack NATO. They also refuse to discuss raising the pension age to deal with German Social Security bankruptcy. However, Musk owns X and he is more than permitted to interview whoever he wants on it just like any other media company.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:43 PM

    Billionaires, they’re just like you and me. Who better to protect the interests of the ordinary man?

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:03 PM

    He’s just Cun’ty McCun’tface.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:44 PM

    They should just let Musk pick the leaders from now on. Trump looks very happy under old Elon

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:53 PM

    @Solid Stait: Trump would wanna watch back. Vance is the tech bro’s man in there.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:48 PM

    Money talks, and that’s Musk,

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:00 PM

    @Ned: Jayes that Musk rat is causing horrendous trouble all over the place and scaring the bejapers outa the lot of ye !

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:34 PM

    What a load of s h 1 T

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    Jan 16th 2025, 7:40 PM

    That letter of deep concern is going to make all the difference. That’ll stop him and his ilk in their tracks.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 8:21 PM

    Well he is stuk up Trumps but a horrible person both of them are horrible people

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    Jan 17th 2025, 7:37 AM

    Ah yes, writing letters will make him quiver in his boots…

    Funny how they didn’t write letters when twitter, insta, etc were altered to lean towards one narrative

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    Jan 16th 2025, 9:24 PM

    He’s a troll. Unfortunately, he’s now a very powerful troll.

    If you fancy a laugh, look up “Musk Fake Gamer.” The lad’s ego is beyond fragile.

    It’s a shame, really, because he’s done quite a bit to advance our civilisation.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 10:22 PM

    It’s good fun to watch anyway.

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    Jan 16th 2025, 11:14 PM

    Paedo Space Karen needs to be stopped

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    Jan 17th 2025, 1:53 AM

    @Dave G Doe: Who mentioned far left?

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    Jan 17th 2025, 1:54 AM

    @Sprong: Wiped out like a kind of ‘…. solution’?

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    Jan 17th 2025, 8:14 AM

    @Dave G Doe: Lol!… That’s bad news for Musks family

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    Jan 17th 2025, 12:12 PM

    The dung is hitting the fan, and some people don’t like that.
    Good man Musk.

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