SF will, SF won’t. They were a realistic alternative to many until recent times.

As the main “opposition” party SF needs to forget this undemocratic Woke agenda & get back to representing those of us who live in the real world

Sorry lads….ye had your chance..as a man in his late 50′s…I think I speak for most of the electorate now.

SF, whatever way the wind blows, wants to be everything to everyone

The flip-flop party doing a u-turn. That is hardly news. They must be getting dizzy with all the flip flopping and u-turns they have done over the years.

I would like to point out that I will not vote the Greens/FF/FG either…..so give me choices…peoples

Too late, the mask has slipped too far this time. Your day has come….

WOW…. Another BIG U-turn for SF…. Running with the hares and hunting with the hounds….. Maybe now they will put their hands up and admit to all the atrocities they have been involved in…. Yes/Yes ????

Masters of the “volte face”, or in their lingo “iompaigh thart”. That’s a great “about turn”. Learnt well from Gerry the never

Mary Lou should now walk away . The party in opposition did not oppose those ridiculous referendums . Bye now Mary

Mary Lou will have to go or Sinn Fein are going to be hammered in the local elections.

Spin Feign.
Remember folks, they’d say mass to get into power, as they continue their mission to transform into a tribute act to bad old Fianna Fail.

The naivety and hunger to get into power is coming through now and that makes me fairly uncomfortable.

I was already sceptical about a SF government going back to the time that Pearse Doherty whipped up a frenzy about that Roscommon eviction which resulted in SF supporters burning banks.

I thought they moved to distance themselves from this over the past few years but now with the about turns on things, I don’t know if I could trust them to make the harder more unpopular decisions that are sometimes needed from government.

For me, it’s a genuine pity as I desperately want rid of FF, FG and the Greens – all that’s left really is the Soc Dems – I’m not an ‘anti-woke/vax/immigrant/climate/LGBTQ/etc etc nutbag so all the nutty ‘parties’ are out.

Depressing really, SF could do so much better.

We backed the wrong horse. If they offer any tips for Cheltenham keep your money in your pocket.

Tried to play both sides, and lost both sides

Yet another flip flop, becoming a farce at this stage. People seeing through them now, no different than what’s already there.

Simple question preparation for politicians seeking votes at my door: define ‘woman’. Inability to define a woman as an adult, female human who is or was capable of having a baby, means I will strategically, to the best of my ability, vote against that politician. The respondent is entitled to think a man can be a woman and I’m just as entitled to vote against him/her/it.
It’s the one question that most likely identifies those people who I believe are radically opposed to the freedoms I enjoy.
Up the Republic and goodbye Mary Lou

So they said it wouldn’t be their priority, not they wouldn’t run it again!

Do I sense a power struggle in SF.

They could have changed “Strive” to “obliged”.
Add father alongside Mother.
Change “Durable” to “a recognised Family consistent “to that” of a family based on marriage”.
I’m not in any way trying to come across as an expert, but I would’ve accepted wording similar to the above.
The proposal they put on us was a disgrace and a sure sign if it was needed that they are totally incompetent and out of touch with reality

Chief Shill Corrigan is eerily quiet. He must have received orders not to comment on this.

Sinn Féin needs to remove Mary Lou McDonald as leader

It’s good to hear Sinn Fein/ira coming out with this statement. Ffg were very quick in coming out saying the public did not know what they were doing in voting no. Groundhog day Niece and Maastrict treaties we did not what we were voting for. What a shame of a government we have.

Their FINISHED

In fairness to Goebbels Carthy, its not his decision. Its supposed to be the members of SF decision at Ard Fheis but as the years go by the members become less empowered.

I think Mary Lou’s comments straight after the referendum saying she “would address the Sexist Language in the Constitution if SF were in the next Government” was a mistake so soon after a sizeable majority had just rejected both. Doesn’t bode well on Mary Lou and SF’s opinion on Democracy.

Good to hear. At least they are listening.

Various legal groups have been saying the archaic ‘duties in the home’ needs to go for the last 25 years. Suppose we’ll have to wait another 25 so…

Seems to me sinn fein have one agenda now and that is to get on the gravy train of ministerial pensions,they are loosing there vote base by the week with all their double tongue

When SF will go in power, and hopefully without alliances, the money of many corporations will be transferred abroad and many will start stop employing people blaming SF as an excuse. With no money in the coffers, there will have to be an agreement… Like for Mitterrand and the socialists in 1981. Look it up
Now they probably won’t be able to do what they want that easily.

Handbrake turns at this stage….Hilarious!!

Lookit. They are not the ones *in* Government (yet?). They are free to change their minds, if they wish. It’s not like they are inside the window of “election promises” just yet. And it’s fair to say and accept that they are responsive to the will of the electorate on this issue, at least. And were responsive to the fact of Law too, before the Referendum *when* it was passing through the Oireachtas. Although, in fairness, before the Referendum and despite them knowing better, they did just Conform to Social Pressures and ‘go with the flow, and in a small way they also did ‘jump on the bandwagon’ like – but not with the same Zealotry as – the Socialist Workers Party/People B4 Profit frequently do (like when they tried to hijack and seize the Water Charges protest movement for themselves, as though it were their movement initiated by their Party).

They should have taken their lead from Catherine Connolly.
Because, evidently, Sinn Féin have become completely rudderless.
Even with Palestine, they blindly and fecklessly whine on and on about expelling the Ambassador – just like a politically immature Socialist. Rather than realising it is USA that should be targeted (as is the Irish way of fighting a cause), because it is due to USA’s neo-anti-Semitism towards all Muslims and all Arabs, a sentiment they fostered and encouraged Internationally in order to enable, via presenting false cause for, their ***ILLEGAL*** invasion of Iraq, in addition to which they fully got away with it with it with Zero Prosecutions for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity laid against them or their “WMD” partners in Britain.
It is because USA got away with it, that Israel gets away with it.
It is because USA incited anti-Muslim neo-anti-Semitic Fascistic rhetoric, that Israel can so easily dehumanise Palestinians via the neo-anti-Semitic false assumption that “all Arabs are Muslim”.
It is because of USA’s and UK’s rhetoric against Muslims as a whole, that China feels free and righteous in committing genocide against Uyghur Muslims; that Myanmar felt free and righteous to commit genocide against Rhohinga Muslims; and why Russia felt empowered and free to commit genocide in Chechnya (long before Putin created Kadyrov from the ashes).
It is because USA failed to prosecute the Extra-Judicial Assassination of the Free Press [embodied in US Citizen Shireen Abu Akleh] that Israel knows it is free to target and murder all Arab Journalists and their families; and International Civilians and their families.
It is because USA and UK have gotten away with imprisoning Journalist Julian Assange, that Israel knows “The Free Press” is no longer a protected institution.
It is because USA got away with obliterating the legitimacy United Nations, by barging through International Law and International Resolution and Vetoes of their illegal Wars, that Israel is so profoundly comfortable with defaming, dehumanisating and SLAUGHTERING employees of the United Nations and The Red Cross Red Crescent.

Sinn Féin are behaving like a Party of simpleton automatons.

There is no substance to anything they do anymore. Not only are they untethered from their own Base, nor merely completely disconnected from the wider population, but they are also wholly an “unthinking” Party. It’s like they are driving down the road on autopilot. Their brain isn’t even engaged. NOBODIES brain seems to be engaged in any manner anymore.

They are in a bubble.
And I strongly suspect that just like the Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael Elected Representative **individuals** [since Pandemic. Eg: "there have been eighteen other coronaviruses"-Simon 'dingbat' Harris] – the bubble has been erected by manipulated Algorithms on Social Media framing the “feedback” to the Official Party’s accounts (as opposed to the individual Elected Reps, as seems to be the case with FF and FG, from Dáil to Local).

But Sinn Féin aside….
Evidently NONE of the Political Parties have learned a god damn thing from Mother and Baby Homes and Industrial/Reformatory School and the ‘Institutionalisation’ atrocities.
Not a god damn thing.
It is why they cannot grasp the profound problems of “Organisational Culture”. Be it in RTE, the HSE, or the Gardaí.
They have utterly failed to comprehend the power of culture, or indoctrination, or institutionalisation.
They have failed to grasp that what went on in Industrial Schools was not only a consequence of institutional cultures, but also a consequence of the “culture” imposed or fostered in society itself.
They have failed to realise that what went on in institutions, was not absent in the private homes of citizens who never went near any institutions.
And that Collective Psychological Culture of ignorant abusiveness continues to pervade throughout Irish Society and Social Culture, and passes down through the generations.

The State simply cannot, and should never, impose unprofessional, Familial-only, “Care” on the most vulnerable members of our Society.

But luckily the population do seem to have learned and understood the impact of historic social culture and the abuses of institutions enabled and empowered BY the toxic culture in Society from Grassroots to Gards to Government.
The majority seem to be aware of 1 core basic truth – for many in the society, the culture simply has not changed. And it will take decades, if not a Century, to change it. Especially without apt educational intervention.
You cannot, and should never, impose familial “Care” on anyone with a disability. Be it a permanent, or potentially transient/temporary disablement (such as closed brain injury).

The RSA (I believe it was?) had a perfectly Irish and perfectly accurate example of this in their overturned car, car crash simulation in which the parent/partner/familial individual is depicted as the “Carer” belittling and ignorantly talking about the wheelchair-bound survivor to a third person in earshot of the survivor.

The fact is, Irish Society is – quite frankly – unfit and far too ignorant to be entrusted with the care of persons with disabilities.
Profoundly especially in an unprofessional (familial) context.
Indeed it is *more professionals and professionalism* that is required in the provision of Care for Elderly or persons with Disability or Special Needs.

But Sinn Féin bent to the tokenistic trend of empty virtue signalling and *militant* liberalism that is and has consistently been an open attack on the Constitution of our Republic.

I say this, despite the fact that I am and have always been what these days is being described as a “liberal” or “leftie” (due to foreign political interference in National discourse!).

Except that there never was, nor is there now, any such thing in Irish or European (or non-Brit/non-Yankee/non-WASP) politics as a “liberal”.

We are, simply, pro-evolution, pro-development, pro-progress of our civilization and society. And Ireland has already been through this philosophical and identity politics struggle – what is Tradition and what is Progress, “Does progress mean dumping tradition?” and so on.
The emphatic answer was: No!
Traditions and Progress can proceed hand in hand for a Nation that is not insecure in it’s sense of “Self” and “Identity”, a Nation that isn’t weakened by being a wimpering “Nation of Immitators”.

We can (and should) progress Political Policies, while holding the line on Political Tradition (i.e. stop attacking, subverting and dismantling the Constitution through Deletion and Repeals in the name of “progress”. You wouldn’t catch the Yankees nor the French nor any post-Empire-era Nations with Sovereign non-Monarchic Nationhood, at it!! So why are WE at it!?).

We wouldn’t have had to “Repeal the 8th *amendment*” if the Politicians, and 1980s Population, had not been so feckless and careless with the Constitution in the first place.
Religiosity has no place whatsoever in Law, much less in Constitutions of legitimate Republics.
Religiosity should have no place in Politics anywhere ever again (Nazism; Slavery; American Fascistic Evangelism; Hindutva Fascism; Zionism; British Monarchic presumption of entitlement to Ireland….and France…and Spain; subsequent Crown-instigated Fascistic Sectarianism in Scotland and Northern Ireland)

So with reference to “Militant Liberalism”, what I mean is the absolute feckless disregard for our Constitution with a zeal for Absolutism and Censorship of Debate, Discourse and Opposing View, as was the case with the Abortion Referendum.
Between Militant Liberalism (i.e. Left-wing Fascism [Censoring debate]) and Evangelistic Extremism (i.e. Right-wing Fascism, and often *Foreign* Evangelical Fascistic interference) – there is a massive expanse for and of diverse discourse.

Yes, people should have the Right to Choose (anything and everything).
But people also have the Right to a full and detailed arguement framed in facts of Law. A full and uncensored debate and discourse, free of Politicised Religiosity……and Militant imposition of Opinion or Censorship of discourse.

For example: should the Law have reflected that where a foetus is *wanted* by the mother carrying it, it should therefore be counted as a “Life” under the Law if/when an abusive partner punches and kicks that foetus to death? And/or if/when a partner covertly administers an abortifacient without consent!?
As it stands, the foetus killed in the Omagh Bomb, would no longer be counted as a “Life” subsequent to the amendment that ammended the amendment – in the absence of freedom for a full and uncensored discourse (due to Militant Liberalist Zealous Absolutism. Even those who were pro-Choice, had no freedom nor forum for debate or discourse).

Certainly, there is a tokenistic attack on the Constitution. There has been since and during the previous 2 Referendums. The Constitution has been treated with contemptuous fecklessness by sneaky-ass Fine Gael in particular. And it was only due to the profound, serious and frankly often life-threatening impact of the ‘Marriage’ and ‘Abortion’ Referendum on ‘the person’, that such contempt for the Constitution could be tolerated by the Electorate and assent given for the sake of many citizen’s safety and wellbeing.

But evidently such repeated politicised tokenistic contempt for the Constitution, and Law, has now breached the tolerance level of the Electorate.
Society can no longer accept an “on-balance, for the greater good, with the least harm” argument or consideration to give consent to the contempt for the Constitution and Constitutional Law.

And it is about time too!

I wonder has Chief SF Shill Corrigan been relieved of his role? Very quiet in this one.

Sinn will need a taxi for Mary Poo !
She’s now a target for anti wokeness

Mary Lou was fairly certain on the day that there would be a SF referendum – so is this the new Sinn Fein policy or just Matt Carthy’s opinion? I am sure we all be given a chance to repent our sins against the establishment and vote according to the presumed “yes” in a few years time.