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HAVE YOU DECIDED how you’re going to vote on Friday?
If you haven’t yet, you’ve got quite a bit of company.
In fact, uncertainty seems to have grown as polling day approaches. Over a third were unsure how they will vote in the ‘Women in the home’/Care and Family referendums – up 12 points in a month – in the latest Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks poll taken over 1-2 March.
Uncertainty was also the overwhelming response when The Journal asked people on Dublin’s Grafton Street this afternoon whether they understood what they were being asked to vote on, and whether they had decided yet which way they would vote.
Amid a pretty desultory Yes-Yes campaign to date by government and correspondingly muted media coverage, voters said they did not feel they had heard enough yet to make a decision, with several saying they would need to sit down and do their own research before Friday.
Here’s what people told us.
‘I’ve just got a vague idea’
Just three days out from polling day, several people brought up the fact that they had not yet received the information booklets everyone is supposed to receive from the Electoral Commission.
Brian from Dublin was among them.
“I’ve just got a vague idea of what the referendum is about,” he said, adding that he was worried about the consequences of extending the definition of a family unit and how that could create opportunities for people to “game the system”.
In the Family referendum, we’re being asked to vote on whether to extend the definition of a family from that currently in the Constitution – that it’s based on marriage – to encompass families based on “other durable relationships”.
“It’s very unimpressive the way this thing has been rolled out. I haven’t seen or heard any real debate,” Brian said.
There will be a debate on RTÉ’s Prime Time this evening, with Tánaiste Micheál Martin and conservative lawyer Maria Steen expected to argue for Yes-Yes and No-No respectively. There have been some head-to-head debates on radio, although Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Senator Michael McDowell of the No campaign appeared separately this morning on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.
Claire (38) also has not yet received her information booklet. She said if it turns up two days before polling that was not enough time, as people needed time to take in its contents.
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She said she did not understand the two referendum questions.
“I haven’t seen much written about it and that’s because I haven’t been searching for it but then usually, by osmosis, you do find out what the wording is, and what ‘yes’ is for and what ‘no’ is for?
“At the moment I don’t feel like I’ve got that,” she said.
“I feel like I need to go and do a bit of digging and find my own information.”
She said she had seen people flyering for Yes in her constituency yesterday, the first time she had seen campaigners out from either side.
Fergal (30) said: “I’m going to vote but I feel like I’ve had almost no useful information.
“I appreciate you have to go past the headlines and read up, go through the Electoral Commission [information], but I feel like there’s no real impetus for this one so no-one’s really giving the answers.”
Traditionally, older voters are more likely to turn out to vote.
How do older women, many of whom stayed at home to mind their own children, and who may themselves need care in the coming years, view the upcoming Care referendum?
This will replace the articles – long derided by feminists – that refer to women’s “life within the home” and to mothers’ “duties in the home” with new wording aimed at recognising that care by family members benefits society and asking the state to “strive” support this care.
You can’t vote to take the “duties in the home” stuff out without voting the new care stuff in, however – the government has rolled them together as one vote.
The proposed Care amendment has been criticised as too weak by many carers, as failing to respect the rights of disabled people by Inclusion Ireland, and as ineffective and “implicitly sexist” by the Free Legal Advice Centre. By contrast, the National Women’s Council of Ireland says a ‘yes’ vote will both remove sexist language from the Constitution and recognise care, sending a message to government to support all forms of care.
On Grafton Street, one older woman who declined to give her name said: “I’ve done my best to try and understand it and I don’t know how I’m going to vote.”
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Another said she would “definitely” vote yes, viewing the proposed wording as a “reasonable attempt to address the problems of the 1937 Constitution, which is the ‘role of women’”.
“All my all my life we have been really unhappy about that reference in the Constitution. I think they’ve done a reasonably good job on that and they’ve explained it reasonably well. I think they’ve done much less well on the family one.”
Both these women said they were unsure how to vote on the proposed wording on the family and durable relationships, which they correctly understood was likely to require further interpretation by the courts.
“If it’s vague enough to require interpretation by the courts, I think that’s unsatisfactory,” the second woman said.
Younger voters on Grafton Street also said they had struggled to gain a full understanding of the issues they were being asked to vote on, but several noted momentum towards a Yes-No vote: ‘yes’ on the family referendum and ‘no’ on care on the basis that the proposed wording is not sufficiently progressive.
Chris (40) from Dublin said he had been getting his information on the referendum from social media, and had also been influenced by the stance taken by Senator Tom Clonan, who has argued that the use of the word “strive” renders the Care referendum meaningless.
Chris noted “momentum that has built around [Clonan] and a few other people”.
Ava (20) said the additional perspectives being voiced on the Care referendum had given her pause.
“I feel like there are lots of sides being brought up, like [to do] with disabilities, that I’ve only just learned about around the wordings, and how it affects not just women,” she said.
Along with her two friends, she has not yet decided how she will vote. All three said they wanted to vote in a way that was feminist but also fair to vulnerable people in society.
“You’re hoping you make the right choice,” Ava said.
Polls open at 7am on Friday and results are expected to be in by Saturday evening.
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Obviously prison officers should be afforded all the possible protection available including prosecution. The article really lacks any reasons for why these prosecutions are not taking place. Is it a problem in the process? The Gardai? The DPP? The courts? If the problem is identified then it should be straightforward to rectify
@Nick Allen: The reason is the simple lack of willingness to have a “root and branch” reform of the entire judicial system here. From Judges down to the Parole Board and everything in between needs overhauling and bringing into the 21st century. Judges have far to much discretion regards sentencing, the need for Solicitors and Barristers where one “Lawyer” (like the US system would suffice), a dedicated prosecution service and public defenders offices where both would receive a fixed salary instead of the scam of free legal aid. A Police and Prison Service independent of political interference properly funded and staffed to do the jobs that Society require them to do. Everyone can see the need for change but those in power refuse to change it.
The reason you can’t get a conviction or any type of justice for the crimes against you is the Irish prison service and it’s management do not want or afford you any assistance with making or reporting a crime . It’s a case of they do not want incidents made public or reported, as to do so , would shine alight on a failing system ,that is in crisis . The system is well below what staffing levels it needs ,recruitment is taking place at a snails pace and the reason is simple,MONEY and an IPS policy of ,let’s make it a better place for prisoners. The Irish prisons are turning into welfare lead ,hug a thug holiday camps and the terms Imprisonment / justice for crimes / do the crime serve the time ,are all gone and have been replaced with words such a as residents, occupants and patients .
@joe o hare: I would love to know where you are getting your information from. Is it the Big Book of Fairy Tales? Firstly no Officer would ever “Cry Wolf” as you put it about being assaulted by an inmate because to so so would leave them exposed to a counter charge by the inmate. Secondly with the number of CCTV cameras in each Prison any false accusation would be quickly exposed. Now as for 6 months off on full pay. Firstly an Officers injuries would need to be so severe that the Civil Service Chief Medical Officer would have to make a declaration that the Officer was unfit for duty due to the nature of the injuries received which in itself is extremely rare. An investigation has to take place for an Officer to have an injury declared as an Injury on Duty. So get your facts right.
What use would an additional concurrent sentence serve given that that is the usual outcome in this time of multiple previous convictions, crimes committed out on bail etc. Are there any internal sanctions within the prison system itself?
@Ian Moloney: prisoners who assault staff are placed in the separation and care unit for an amount of time decided by the duty governor. They might lose their TV
Loss of canteen and reduced visits. I’ve seen a lot of assaults on staff both male and female staff and prisoners couldn’t care less about being sent to Septation unit.
With the frequency and frivolous nature of the way our judges gave out suspended sentences the criminals would end up with time off their current sentences if this went to court
This is crazy. An assault on the street would warrant a conviction yet somone doing their job and who gets assaulted gets no justice ??? If staffing levels are reduced then it will not only affect prison officers it will affect all of us too as there will be more and more suspended sentences when prisons cannot cope with the prisoners they already have and are unable to take in more. This is not just a personal safety issue for prisoner officers ( which is serious enough on its own) it’s a public safety issue !!!
@ivan enoughofit poor Joe o hare really hasn’t a bulls notion what he’s talking about but thinks because he used to watch prisoner cell block H years ago it makes him an expert!
@joe o hare: you are talking rubbish .Now let the grown ups have the conversation and you head on out and talk to your imaginary friends,who seem to be informing you incorrectly of happenings in the big bad World
The biggest problem with prisons is the easy availability of drugs, do the prison officers supply them or just get a percentage from the inmates who do.
@Ivan Enoughofit: No he is just trolling. It’s the likes of him that hate any form of law enforcement. He has been caught out telling lies already which make anything else he has to say worthless.
@joe o hare: Now I am going to explain in simple terms especially for you how the above number was calculated. Each Prison Officer works a 12 hour shift. Now because Prison staff work on Bi-weekly basis it means that to average out a 44 hour week they work 4 days one week and 3 the alternative week (excluding compulsory overtime shifts). Now let’s say an Officer is off sick on the week that they are rostered on for 3 days. All 7 days of that week are still counted as Sick Days even though they were only going to work 3 of them. And each Officer only can avail of 12 weeks paid Sick Leave in every 4 year period (3 weeks a year.) Now remember what I said about 7 days counted. In reality it breaks down 1.5 weeks a year if you only count rostered days. So in reality the figure is 1 week a year
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