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'Quite startling': €31m of church property for redress fund yet to be transferred

€83 million of donations has been made from congregations since the Ryan Report.

SINCE 2002 €42.6 MILLION in property has been transferred from religious orders to the state as part of the abuse redress scheme.

However, a further €31 million in property remains outstanding.

Speaking in the Dáil recently, Education Minister Jan O’Sullivan noted that, under the 2002 Indemnity Agreement, the 18 participating religious congregations that ran the residential institutions investigated by the Ryan commission into child abuse, are contributing €128 million in cash, counselling services and property.

The cash contributions of €54.42 million have been received.

Social Democrat TD Róisín Shortall, who brought up the issue with O’Sullivan, has said she is surprised all of the property hasn’t been transferred.

It’s quite startling that €31 million is still outstanding … It’s quite incredible my view. I assumed that given that it has been 13 years that all of the money would have been paid by now.

A full list of the properties transferred under the 2002 agreement can be seen here.

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O’Sullivan said that since the Ryan Report was published in 2009, some €82.9 million from congregations has been lodged to the special investment account opened by the National Treasury Management Agency under the Residential Institution Statutory Act 2012.

The money includes associated interest and cash from property disposals.

O’Sullivan said that many of the congregations that were part of the 2002 Indemnity Agreement made voluntary offers which they valued at €348.5 million, including cash, property and other elements.

Subsequent offers and the value of a particular property offer amounted to €4.1 million, bringing the total contribution offers to €352.61 million.

O’Sullivan said that outstanding cash contributions are expected to be received from congregations between now and 2018.

The €82.9 million figure includes contributions of €81.5 million as follows:

  • Brothers of Charity: €1.5m
  • Christian Brothers: €8m
  • Daughters of Charity: €6m
  • Daughters of the Heart of Mary: €1.5m
  • De La Salle Brothers: €1m (€0.055m interest)
  • Dominican Order: €6.5m
  • Oblates of Mary Immaculate: €20m
  • Hospitaller Order of St John of God: €1m
  • Presentation Brothers: €3.6m
  • Presentation Sisters: €4m
  • Religious Sisters of Charity: €2m
  • Sisters of Our Lady of Charity: €1.5m
  • Congregation of the Sisters of Mercy: €24.9m (€1.044m interest)
  • Sisters of St Clare: €1m
  • Sisters of St Louis: €1m

O’Sullivan said her department had “agreed in principle” with the Conference of Religious of Ireland (Cori) that a total of 64 properties would be accepted subject to certain conditions such as market valuations. This number reduced to 61 as the department accepted and received a cash sum in lieu of three properties.

Some 46 properties have been fully transferred and O’Sullivan said there are “no outstanding issues”.

“Work is continuing to finalise the arrangements in relation to the remaining properties,” she added.

More information on the Residential Institutions Statutory Fund (Caranua) can be found here.

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    Mute 2thFairy
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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:13 PM

    Before the negative comments start I’d like to say I think I’m the midst of these extraordinary circumstances I think our government is doing extremely well in coping with the virus. It’s far to easy for any of us to use this as an opportunity to throw out cheap shots and be critical. We know nothing of what it must be like to make such crucial decisions that will never be able to please or serve all of the people but have to made regardless.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:05 PM

    @2thFairy: The only negative comment I have is about Trump thinking Dublin airport was in UK,did I read the article properly?
    The Government ‘s emergency packages and all the political leaders including FG’s leader,their health Spokesperson and experts holding regular meetings re Convid19 ,etc has been reassuring to the public.Legislation will be needed to be passed in thee Dail asap.
    Thanks too to all the Convid19 testing staff, laboratories,nurses, doctors,etc,those involved in contact tracing,etc.for all your work.

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    Mute Shazam37
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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:40 PM

    @2thFairy: In fairness those arguments could be made about every single situation a government faces.

    Let’s see what happens in a few weeks.

    Our health service has been untouched or reformed – by government choice – for the last decade. And cannot cope with a potentially serious crisis. That’s on Leo.

    Our economy is extremely exposed thanks to enormous debt and poor fiscal management. It won’t withstand a major economic shock. That’s on Leo and co.

    If this goes badly it’s the last decade of stupidity that will make it worse.

    Just like the two decades of ignorance leading up to the global economic crisis made it
    So much worse

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    Mar 12th 2020, 6:53 PM

    @Shazam37: what planet have you just landed from

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    Mar 12th 2020, 7:32 PM

    @damien ryan: he’s perfectly right

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    Mar 12th 2020, 8:04 PM

    @Shazam37: I agree with you 100%

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    Though I would never say it but Leo and his top government ministers are playing a blinder…Trump on the other hand God help America!!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:42 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: pffft. A blinder my foot. Statements are easy to make. Let’s see how things play out and judge them then.

    Irish – so easily led by deeply average speeches.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 7:35 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: what by doing now what should have been done a week ago, he’s a fo0l

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    Leo doing Ireland proud abroad!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:08 PM

    Maybe Leo’s Indian heritage confused the president but the head flick howiya is a distinctly Irish greeting.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    Fake leader, more important than being at home with the country in panic. Absolute dope.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:10 PM

    @A Cos: What a stupid uninformed thing to say.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @A Cos: You’re being too hard on Trumpy.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:14 PM

    @A Cos: these interactions with major trading partners are an essential part of the job. US FDI companies provide a significant number of well-paid jobs here, and Ireland has traditionally used March 17 to maintain an unprecedented level.of access to the Oval Office.
    He’s earning his salary this week with these meetings, and still managing to stay on top of issues at home.
    Give the guy a break, even if you dislike him for political reasons.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:15 PM

    @A Cos: you have just delivered such an uneducated and immature comment.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:17 PM

    @John Mulligan: very well said.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:22 PM

    @Earth Traveller: That will go so over his head!!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:45 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: the Leo lover crew out in force I see. We gave never had a bad relationship with the US in the history of the state, if you honestly believe that a man flying over for a photo op on Paddys weekend is the only reason we have a good relationship with the US well then you are the person who might have comments go over your head

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:48 PM

    @A Cos: another uneducated comment.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:49 PM

    @John Mulligan: as I’ve said earlier, this whole agenda is unprecedented in our history. Do you honestly believe that these yearly photo ops are the reason we have good trade relationships with the US. Do you think if Leo had said, look Donald things are getting serious now, I need to be at home with my people. I’m sure as volatile as Trump is he would not shut the borders a d trade deals to Ireland

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:50 PM

    @2thFairy: any other input person with anonymous profile?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:11 PM

    @A Cos: he is playing a blinder on this virus. Appropriate action at the right time. Look past your inner twisted gizzards and try find some good.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:13 PM

    @A Cos: “trade deal with Ireland” .. lol … sweet mother of God.. are you completely ignorant of the EU and trade?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:16 PM

    @Pat Lonergan: did you just say ” will so go over his head?” Wow!

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:45 PM

    @A Cos: to be fair they get more than a photo op. How many world leaders get an annual one on one with POtUS? Their entourages get access. They meet congressional leaders and influential people at lunches etc.

    It gives us access most other countries would kill
    For. Let’s not down play the significance of it.

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:41 PM

    I wonder how much did this cost us in spin doctors fees?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:11 PM

    While going through customs in Dublin airport trump praised the UK for its strong border!!!am I missing something here

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:10 PM

    It that two nice bowls of Shamrock on the mantlepiece??

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:06 PM

    Our smug Taoiseach has stated we have never had a pandemic like this in living history.
    What about the spainish fly 1918 that killed 100m.
    1968 flu pandemics killed 1m world wide.

    H1N1 more commonly known as the flu they say the same.
    Take same precautions washing hands etc, can be caught the same way etc.
    Symptoms the same.
    There seems to be a lot of scaremongering going on. Which makes Irish people more irrational than usual!

    However swine flu with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities

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    Mar 12th 2020, 7:40 PM

    Hahaha all the ffg bum L1ckers on looking for any little thing to try repair their failed masters reputation. They’ve done nothing all year but make complete fools out of themselves, bots and masters alike

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:32 PM

    Would have thought the Donald would be more into a nod of the head accompanied by a swift click of the heels,…

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    Mar 12th 2020, 4:09 PM

    #ABT2020

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    Mar 12th 2020, 5:18 PM

    Did Leo have crazy green socks on?

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    Mar 12th 2020, 8:34 PM

    Bit of tromboning

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    Mar 12th 2020, 6:40 PM

    Hi boys

    see the first post on my twitter…

    only 18+

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    Mar 12th 2020, 9:00 PM

    @Annaa69: you’re alright

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    Mar 12th 2020, 6:16 PM

    Please self-isolate as Trump met with someone from Brazil last week who has been tested positive for covid-19!

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