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THE GOVERNMENT WANTS to make it easier for older people to work beyond retirement age – but has been criticised for refusing to oblige companies to extend contracts of employment to the age of 66.
Today Paschal Donohoe, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, published the Government’s Fuller Working Lives report.
It commits only to another review of the current situation, whereby many workers must retire at 65, but are unable to claim the state pension until the age of 66 – forcing many on the dole.
Eamon Timmins of Age Action, an advocacy organisation for older people, called the report a missed opportunity.
Every year older workers are forced out of their jobs and onto the dole because of mandatory retirement ages.
“While other countries around the world are abolishing these ageist restrictions and supporting older workers, our members will be very disappointed that there is no plan to do the same here.
There are also no proposals to address the anomaly that workers are facing retirement at the age of 65 but unable to claim the state pension until they turn 66, pushing them onto Jobseeker’s Benefit.
Age Action welcomed proposals for training supports for older people, and “improved awareness” of the advantages of working longer, Timmins added.
“But the government’s strategy commits to removing the barriers to continued employment for older people and this report is a missed opportunity do just that.”
Expenditure on State pensions and relevant supplementary payments is set to rise from €7 billion in 2016 to €8.7 billion in 2026, assuming no rate changes.
There is no single fixed retirement age for employees, but most employment contracts stipulate a retirement age of 65, leaving many with a ‘pension gap’ before the contributory state pension kicks in.
The compulsory retirement age in the public sector for people who joined it before 1 April 2004 is 65 years, meanwhile.
The minimum retirement age is 65 for people who joined the public service after 1 April 2004. Some occupations – for example, the Gardai, firefighters and the Defence Forces – have provisions for much earlier retirement, however.
The Employment Equality Acts 1998-2011 afford employers a broad discretion in fixing compulsory retirement ages, whether as an express term in an employee’s contract of employment, or as an implied term, or by custom and practice.
In 2021, the eligibility for the state pension will rise from 66 to 67 (and 68 in 2028).
The United Kingdom and United States have already outlawed compulsory retirement ages.
Minister Donohoe said the report, which recommended a shift in cultural norms around retirement age, was “an important piece of work”, but said a policy framework needed to be formulated.
“People are, thankfully, living longer and healthier lives and this trend will continue into the future,” he said.
An ageing population does creates challenges as well as opportunities that need to be explored.
“We need a policy framework to support those who want to continue to make an active contribution throughout their lives, including through work.”
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I find myself in strange territory agreeing with kenny for the first time. Dont see it lasting.
Me too, I have a personal dislike for the man, his politics and his party but I agree 100% with him on this issue, at least someone is willing to stand up to the Pink Fascists!
Pink fascists? Please elaborate. I would like to join this party. Can we tell everyone how life should be lived and appropriate ways of being yourself? Yes please !
What if the parade banned women? How would you feel about that?
If the parade banned women I wouldn’t be happy about that. If it banned quasi political banners for feminist rights being carried however I would be in favour of that.
If you’re not already aware of this, gays aren’t banned from marching they just can’t March with banners displaying politically motivated messages etc. How have you managed to miss that difference? It’s not like gay rights and this god Damn parade issue hasn’t been done ad nausem at this stage.
Wondering if the boys up north on the 12th of july will be having the same problem for their march.
Exactly .. and there is plenty of lgbt proudly marching in their sashes who prefer not to flaunt their sexuality by way of placards and rainbow flags
@Al
I wouldnt be that knowledgable of the Marchers rules regulations etc but i would say AT BEST they would have a strict “dont ask dont tell policy” regarding the Gay members of their orders,,,AT BEST is being generous on my part
I have to laugh at the Americans “its tradition” attitude to St Patricks day!!!
If one is to look at the myths and fairy tales and legends surroundin this glorified “piss up” its infantile at best,,,
Kenny is a louse who will sing from whatever hymm sheet is put in front of him if it will get votes,
This to me bangs of the same Russian anti-Gay ehem “propaganda” (no its just the propaganda were against you know).
I back the Mayor , the idea of inclusive means you allow all Gays to march even the ones who feel the need to tell the whole world,Yes this is what “inclusion” means
I will say one thing for them AT LEAST THEY ARE GAY —-HOW MANY MARCHING THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE IRISH ????
And I would sincerely doubt that 5th generation plastic mick-Chuck O’Neill wont be too bothered by them while he pukes allover the street and starts fights on perfect strangers to celebrate this “Oirish” day
My suggestion for the head float a hugh HOSPITAL TROLLEY WITH A COFFIN ON IT – to celebrate our “free health care system”
Maybe a GIANT INFLATABLE BROWN ENVELOPE-to celebrate our can do attitude,,
At least with banning the Gays we are at least celebrating our HYPOCRISY also
Tura lura lei with a fiddle di didle dei,,…
Well they do have their own gay pride parade, he’s kind of right when he says paddys day is about being irish. But is Christmas really about Jesus? I dunno I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
If Paddy’s Day is about just being Irish then surely no groups should as separate unit? Just one big mass of Irish people marching as one?
St Patricks day is about St Patrick not been irish. The day has been twisted and turned intona marketing tool.
It must be the first time I’ve had this awkward feeling. “I agree with Kenny” there I’ve said it.
Now gay rights guys, go and enjoy the calibrations , join in the parade, join in the fun. And when you are prepared to join in the parade on equal terms as all the other participants I’m sure you’ll be greeted with open arms. There’s been a lot of unnecessary guff about this recently.
If it was just about St. Patrick, Declan, nobody would care about it. It’s about being Irish.
You mean gay people should join on equal terms like groups of police marching? Or soldiers marching? Or colleges marching?
I thought the parade was about being Irish and not flaunting your job or school?
It’s not about being Irish. It’s about being American Irish. That’s what the US parade is, and always was about. We completely miss that in Ireland.
For those in support of Kenny on this one, can i assume that you would support the removal of all banners etc from all groupings, Police, Schools, Churches, Army, Companies etc etc…
If all these groups can display their banners, why stop LGBT groups display their banners. Its a great opportunity to normalze peoples perception of LGBTs.
Russia also banned LGBT banners. Yet people were raging and complaining at the Russians for doing it.
Kenny should have done the honorable and right thing and absented himself from the parade unless the LGBT ban was lifted. People in this country would have rallied behind him (I know i would and i don’t like Kenny).
LGBT are free to march. They have always been free to take part in the parade. It is a total fallacy to suggest otherwise. They CAN march. They will march as members of the ” Police, Schools, Churches, Army, Companies etc etc…” just like everyone else.
What they can’t do, is march under their own banner or wear insignia. That same rule applies to everyone else too.
Sam, I thought this was about being Irish not the Army flaunting their job at everyone in their uniforms and promoting their ideology?
Sam … Guinness have their floats there … Jameson have their floats there …
If you are offended at a grouping showing support of the American/Irish (or Irish), why would you be offended at LGBTs marching past. You must be easily offended if you get irked by an LGBT pride grouping marching along side Guinness and Jameon :D
‘ People in this country would have rallied behind him’ But they are already rallying behind him on this issue.Most people agree with his stance.We live in a democracy and Kenny is clearly reflecting the will of the democratic majority on this issue,rather than pandering to a small but vocal militant LBGT lobby.
The police , army or self defence groups won’t start exploiting the march and turn it into a camp Mardi Gra . The extremist and camp lot will , as proven in the past , hijack an event to force their point.
The people say “no thanks” this time . Respect their wishes
Guinness and Irish whiskey are inherent symbols of Irish culture.Sexuality is a universal trait.
Well put.
The NY parade was started by Irish protestants and the first recorded parade was by the Irish soldiers in the British army, Dave. They started it.
So unless you were involved in starting the parade you’re not allowed to march as a group?
How far do we need to move the goal posts from Kennys “St Patricks Day isn’t about X it’s about being Irish” now?
No, you are allowed to march in the parade. But there are rules. All units must have two flags.
Irish and American flags only, NO EXCEPTIONS. American on the right – Irish on the left.
Gays are not excluded . All are welcome in the parade but not under the banner of their own choosing. There are no gun control groups, atheists ,vegans etc who walk in the parade under their own banner yet they are welcome to walk.
@ cal. What LGBT ban are you on about?
They are free to march like everyone else. It’s their banners and slogans that are not welcome
Sam, you’ve given a better answer than Enda. Fair play.
There are no floats in the st. Patrick’s day parade in New York. Just groups of people walking up 5th ave. Snoozefest at best
What about Alex White going to Moscow for the Russian Parade…Gays cant march in that also but I bet you wont see anything coming from the Labour party on that one….Also Jan O Sullivan went to Saudi Arabia last year and their laws actually make Gay sexual acts punishable by death..So come labour and be fair about this ….I could not care less what Joan Burton does or says
Where do you think the word Christmas came from????
It is essentially the RCC that control the parade these days though – and they have deep historical roots to it going back to the 1830′s or thereabouts. It is a Catholic American Irish parade. They make no bones about that. You must remember we are likely more liberal in Ireland the they are in the US on LGBT all in all.
Their are 44,000,000 Americans claiming Irish descent and 100,000,000 nominal Catholics. A lot of Amercians would see it as their right to exclude on religious freedom grounds. The parade organisers have that right in law.
@ Al: So education, fire fighting and military must also be inherently Irish. No they are not. They represent groupings in society that happen to have Irish people in them. These groups fly banners identifying themselves. LGBT groups also have Irish people, but they are not allowed to identify themselves as a group active within society.
@Cal
I agree wholeheartedlly with you but unfortunately this would have entailed our dear leader growing a spine and maybe a pair,, which lets face it ,,,isnt going to happen at this late stage,,,
Its exactly like whats happening in Russia “its not the Gays we hate ,its them damn PLACARDS”
Hypocrisy at it finest from one of its greatest purveyors
St Patrick was gay.
Maybe this might work……. build a very large closet on wheels…..Have them all go inside at the start of the parade along with their banners…..push the closet along the street along with the marching bands and then at the end of the parade…… yes you’ve guessed it…….they all come out of the closet……problem solved….. everyone happy.
@Pat
It’s their banners and slogans that are not welcome ??? Have you been drinking with Vlad Putin by any chance ,,,
I would for once love to hear somebody explain to me EXACTLY WHAT St Patricks Day is about without sounding like a 4 year old on School around the Corner,,,
You don’t have to ” normalise ” my perception of LGBTs, I can assure you that I am well capable of forming a balanced view without outside assistance. Such statements smack of arrogance and of a bullying attitude.
I cannot tolerate intolerance; try that for size. Whoops!!
It isnt about LGBT rights its fuxin St Patrick day.
I really hate to admit that I agree with Kenny. But I do on this issue, the lgbt groups hijack St Patrick’s Day parades to promote their own ideologies. Unfortunately only a few parade committees have the courage to stand up to them. No other groups in society are given the privileges they demand.
Strange how any other groups participation in the Patricks day parade is inclusion but a gay groups participation would like hijacking.
Because they will hijack .
How is it that there is an LGBT element to the Dublin parade and no-one complains about hijacking? They’re just another group of people celebrating the national festival. What’s truly disturbing is that you’ve got a load of religious right wing nuts running a parade that’s supposed to represent Irishness in a foreign country and our Taoiseach is going along with that.
Afaik, there’s a strict dress code in the NY parade. it’s unlike our parades here and elsewhere. I think marchers have to wear suits in fact.
Tim, there not religious nuts, maybe your an atheist nut? I’m not sure as I don’t think I should judge other based on their opinions, you call people religious nuts for basically not wanting the LgBT community to march (hijack) the SAINT PATRICKS day parade, it actual,y is to celebrate the irish national saint, why don’t the gays give us “religious nuts” our day and they march some other day
Call it Religious Nut Pride then. Leave us all join in with the St. Patrick’s Day celebration on equal terms.
Kudos to the Taoiseach.He seems to be the only politician talking sense on this issue,unlike the likes of De blasio,Walsh,Burton and even the unelected Bacik who are using this issue to increase their political capital amongst the militant LBGT lobby.
Its striking that you drop the word “militant” into every single sentence where you refer to the LGBT “lobby”. It evidences your general hostility to sexual equality, al shanem.
Well as a homosexual, I totally agree with him too. There’s a time and place for everything… Besides, We’ve got our own colourful parade to look forward to in June!
Life is way to short to be arguing who should march and who shouldn’t. Remember St. Patrick’s day will come and go. If I remember correctly it should be a day for families to go and enjoy a fun filled parade and not a day enshrouded in bitching. We left all of that behind us in the school yard. We are who we are and we lead the life that’s laid out for us. I for one have no problem with peoples personal orientation. I just don’t like seeing fun events used as a way of banging home a point when its not designed to do so.
I suppose you don’t like the US Army banners being displayed either then?
Guiness have floats at the parade … can i assume you would want them banned too … seing as children will be attending the parade?
Banning LGBTs is just another form of suppression of the LGBTs. What the hell is wrong in allowing them to parade along side all the other groupings?
‘Banning LGBTs is just another form of suppression’ This is factually incorrect.Nobody is preventing LBGTs marching in the parade.
@ Cal your missing my point. Your response is very argumentative. I simply pointed out that the day is for family enjoyment. You then brought in the U.S Army and Guinness floats into the equation. A little bit over the top maybe?
Just not under their own banners. Anti-abortionists, catholic lobby groups, or corporate bodies – no problem. Failed politician? Go right ahead. Gay organisation? Not a chance.
It is a Catholic irish American parade. LGBT have their own parade.
Cal mooney, I get the impression that you’re one of them pink fascists
@Al: Nice try Al. Here it is in bite-size chunks. Other groups active in society march and display banners. Lgbt groups, active in society, are being prevented from marching. Or, this group gooooood, that group baaaad. (Animal Farm ref.)
I too along with friends will not be attending this biased, intolerant parade … We also were prohibited from carrying – Heterosexual and Proud placards and flags -
Is Joan just going on a shopping trip at our expense then?
Politicians shouldnt be prancing around the world on st patricks day anyway. Surely if you want to celebrate being irish it would be better to stay in ireland and invite the foreign world leaders and investors over here and give them the vip treatment. Much cheaper and better marketing than our lot going abroad.
Forget about iiiiit
Why not just throw out all standards and have an S&M and swinger’s float too. Also some pole dancers.
Grow up lgbt lobby. You are just annoying everyone now.
Too often gay people are perceived as being only gay. Sexuality is important to an individual or group but it shouldn’t be solely defining.
Seems to be enough to push them
out of a parade!! Sure let it off it’s apparently boring as sh*t on a stick anyways! Just like the ones @ home :/
Brendan, most people don’t want to know about there sexuality in the parade, it’s them shoving there homo ideas on the rest of us that’s the problem
Hahaha as opposed to idiots like you shoving you’re hetero ideas on people like me? One of my earliest memories of a st. Patricks day parade was going to the one in Galway and I think it was the first year there was a gay and lesbian float in Dublin or LGBTs marching in it maybe 92/93 ! I remember a neighbour we met outraged at this demanding all those perverts be burnt or hung, and many people agreeing with him. So maybe including LGBT more would have helped a young child like me at that time understand not everyone was out to burn or hang us, for the offense of being different and not pandering to a bigots views. Can you not be Irish and gay? Why would it be so offensive to you to see an Irish, American & pride flag., just as you would see an Irish, American & maybe police or army banner?
Homo ideas. lol. Time machine
brought u here from the 70s.
Brenda the thing is we don’t go around shouting and spouting on about our sexuality in the St Patricks day parade, because quiet simply it has no relevance there, nothing sexual does, sexual orienteered parades will cater for the type of thing your looking for. Why not take a trip to dubling in June I’m sure the vocalists will be out in force pounding the streets, maybe a suitable time to wave your rainbow around the place
Brenda the thing is we don’t go around shouting and spouting on about our sexuality in the St Patricks day parade, because quiet simply it has no relevance there, nothing sexual does, sexual orienteered parades will cater for the type of thing your looking for. Why not take a trip to Dublin in June I’m sure the vocalists will be out in force pounding the streets, maybe a suitable time to wave your rainbow around the place
Cowardly use of semantics and cowardly fence sitting.
Bell-Enda would do anything for another foreign trip and photo op. He knows his days are numbered and he’s milking it for all it’s worth while he can.
And yet LGBT people will walk in the ST Patricks Day parade behind a banner in Dublin without any fuss or problem
America wake the f”"k up
A they should leave them celebrate gay Irishness then technically they are celebrating Irishness
What about other rights organisations or political movements ? Are they allowed to march ?
That headline seems vaguely rude…. Or is it just me?
You turn if you want to. The Lady’s not for turning.
“I have made the point that this is about our Irishness, not about sexuality”
- Pure hypocrisy and double standards.
– Presumably it will not be about Nationalism either – no flags saying ” England – Get out of Ireland ”
— and no firms etc flaunting their wares ??
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