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Poll: Do you support Ryanair pilots in their strike against the company?

A 48-hour stoppage by Irish-based pilots is scheduled to take place later this week.

THE HIGH COURT will rule today on whether Ryanair can prevent pilots based in Ireland from taking part in a two-day strike later this week.

A number of pilots represented by the trade union Fórsa will strike for 48 hours from midnight on Thursday 22 August, and could engage in further strikes on future dates.

It comes after 94% of directly-employed pilots working for the company, who are members of the Irish Airline Pilots’ Association (IALPA), backed industrial action in a long-running dispute over pay, working conditions and related issues.

The association is seeking pay levels it believes are common and competitive in the commercial airline sector, but the company has argued that there is no valid trade dispute between the parties.

The strike is also threatening to disrupt the travel plans of hundreds of Irish passengers.

So today we’re wondering: Do you support Ryanair pilots in their strike against the company?


Poll Results:

No (6140)
Yes (3068)
I don't know/No opinion (665)

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    Mute Mark Ryan
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:12 AM

    Lunatic is derived from Latin and means effected by the moon or moonstruck

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    Mute Fred Astare Astare
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:10 AM

    When I saw the headline all I could think of was the Irish government, I took this line from the article above, so it really does apply to Leinster House.

    “will have particular relevance for people with intellectual disabilities, older people with diminished capacity or dementia”

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    Mute Lad
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:03 PM

    Working in a pub for ten years you always knew when there’s a full moon when the same people start acting up.. It does exist.

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:20 PM

    Totally agree. The school principal where I was at boarding school became completely unhinged around full moons. I still remember how nuts he was, 40-plus years later.

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    Mute Paul Fahey
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:34 PM

    Midwives say the same thing, the delivery ward goes crazy on a full moon.

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:26 AM

    With the growth of SF I think we might be better keeping the lunacy laws in place

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    Mute Jon Mackey
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:41 AM

    So you’re advocating keeping the status quo Tom Kenny?
    Yeh I think you’re right… Let’s keep it, just for you

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    Mute Tom Kenny
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:02 AM

    I’m advocating a smile Jon

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    Mute Barry Davidson
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:12 AM

    I wonder in another 144 years will intellectual disability be a taboo word.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:38 AM

    It may well be. Who are we to label anyway.

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    Mute Carol Oates
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:13 AM

    Yes. There are already people offended by it. I’ve gotten pulled up for referring to my son an autistic and intellectually disabled. Some want differently abled or person with Autism, as if it’s something that can be detatched and left at home when necessary. It shouldn’t define them, they say. For people like my son it does. It defines every action, every choice, every moment of every day. I am not prepared to pretend otherwise because someone may find that upsetting.

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    Mute HelloGoogleTracking!
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:29 PM

    They are just words, and labels to distinguish.

    Political correctness, a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. A name is a name, the reality still exists that the name describes.

    Ridiculous really

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    Mute Neal Ireland Hello
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:42 PM

    Tell that to my intellectually disabled big brother, who at 48 still comes home in tears sometimes because of the latest non-politically-correct label that liberated kids and adults feel feel to yell at him. Political correctness has its uses.

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:38 PM

    He’s your son. Call him whatever you feel comfortable with. How dare anyone tell you otherwise.

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    Mute Pat Gorman
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    Dec 18th 2015, 9:47 AM

    This is just rearranging the deckchairs with more “acceptable” words.
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    “Intellectual disability” equates to old fashioned “stupid”.
    Words like “Lunatic” and “madman” and “psychopath” etc. etc.are nowadays called “Paranoid Delusional” or “Severe Dementia” or other medical sounding words.
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    Those phenomena still exist.
    Only the words have changed.

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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:53 AM

    So will people with intellectual disabilities finally be legally able to own property now? I think there is still work to be done in this area but this us a start. This country is still a place where elderly parents are afraid of their disabled adult children surviving them.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 9:01 AM

    It is legal today but they must have capacity. When this law commences they can be supported to enter into any contract. (Except marriage)

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    Mute andrew haire
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:51 AM

    I used to be a lunatic but I’m all right nowoooooooo, wuf wuf.

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    Mute Dave Ennis
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    Dec 17th 2015, 3:17 PM

    So that’s one 144 year old piece of out dated law that was on the books, is there more?
    One wonders if the elected “Adults” could stop acting like spoiled children screaming abuse across the Dáil at each other and actually do the job they’re paid to do and enact good modern Legislation that would bring this country into the 21st century.

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:18 AM

    So Enda Kenny is safe now.

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    Mute John Harmon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:05 PM

    It kind of looks like the old woman in that pic is about to explode some dynamite….lunatic…

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    Mute Robert Moore
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:05 PM

    I didn’t think FG and Lab were around since 1871.

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    Mute .
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    Dec 17th 2015, 6:20 PM

    Will you still have to go to high court to get the joint decision court order This is a very expensive process involving several barristers

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:39 PM

    Nope… One barrister, fee would be about 150 to move the wardship application.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:18 PM

    No. A new body called the Decision Support Service attached to the Mental Health Commission take the bulk of the applications, some will go to circuit court & some very limited to High Court.

    There will be legal did. Check out http://www.inclusionireland.ie/

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 11:22 PM

    No. Queen Victoria was though & this law dates from then. Successive governments failed to act before now

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    Dec 17th 2015, 11:57 PM

    Lunatic..always loved that word.

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    Mute Sharon B
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    Dec 17th 2015, 12:24 PM

    Can someone who was a ward of court now marry?

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 5:05 PM

    Once they are discharged from Wardship they can. The Marriage of Lunatics Act 1811 is also repealed

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Dec 17th 2015, 1:29 PM

    Euthanasia is on its way???

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    Mute Missyb211
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    Dec 17th 2015, 1:52 PM

    What are you talking about?

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 5:05 PM

    This has nothing to do with Euthanasia & will actually give people MORE say about end of life care

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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:30 PM

    Actually Sarah I was thinking about euthanasia as well. If someone lays down a request that should they be existing under such circumstances that they would prefer to be euthanised, and the authorities open their declaration to see how they wished to be treated what happens? If it is an end of life care issue and they chose that they wanted to have their life ended what happens? This doesn’t lead to euthanasia but it puts the law in a very odd situation.

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:44 PM

    Anyone can put in place an enduring power of attorney to specify how they wish to be cared for should they lose their capacity to manage their own affairs. Wardship arises when a person loses capacity, and a third party initiates the process. The person’s interests are carefully protected by the detail of the process, to prevent abuse.
    What you can’t do by any process is specify something that is illegal under Irish law, as euthanasia is at present.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 7:55 PM

    EPA’s aren’t used for healthcare decisions. New law allows for Advance Healthcare Decisions where I decide today what care I want in the future

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    Mute John Considine
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    Dec 17th 2015, 8:08 PM

    Yes they are, if worded accordingly. Section 6 of the 1996 act, personal care decisions. The donor of the power can specify any power they wish. It’s the correct process for a person with an illness where the prognosis is poor as far as capacity goes. I’ve worked on several of them.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:01 PM

    That was a joke really, but 16 didn’t get that…

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 10:19 PM

    Because there was a protester outside Leinster House saying just that.

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    Mute Sarah Lennon
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    Dec 17th 2015, 11:20 PM

    You can’t put in anything that is against the law, i.e. You cannot precipitate death but you could withhold nutrition / hydration etc in an advance directive. As any individual could if they were competent at the time.

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