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Sean Quinn (right) with his son Sean Jnr at the High Court this morning Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

Sean Quinn found guilty of contempt of court

The judge described Sean Quinn as “evasive and uncooperative” and said on a number of occasions he embarked on “lengthy criticisms of Anglo” rather than answering questions.

SEAN QUINN, THE one-time richest man in Ireland who filed for bankruptcy in November, has been found guilty of contempt of court.

Quinn’s son, Seán Quinn Junior, and his nephew, Peter Quinn, were also found by the judge to have acted in contempt for putting assets beyond the reach of the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation, formerly Anglo Irish Bank, breaking an injunction granted by the High Court last July.

The three men will be sentenced on Friday.

In a ruling, Justice Elizabeth Dunne said she was “not impressed” with the manner in which the three men gave evidence. She described Sean Quinn as “evasive and uncooperative”, noting that on a number of occasions during the hearing, “rather than answer questions put to him, he embarked on lengthy criticisms of Anglo”.

She described Peter Quinn as “evasive, less than forthright, obstructive, uncooperative and at times, untruthful,” adding:

He conveyed the impression of someone reluctant to be in court, to say as little as possible and of someone who simply did not tell the whole truth.

Justice Dunne noted that Sean Quinn has described the Quinn Group businesses as being run in an “honourable, respectable way,” and added:

I wish I could say the same about the manner in which the respondents have dealt with the adverse circumstances in which they now find themselves having regard to the collapse of the Quinn business empire.

The IBRC says that members of the Quinn family have been involved in a conspiracy to alter the way in which the property portfolio of the family is held in a way that benefits the family and ensuring that the IBRC is not able to access it.

In a ruling, Justice Elizabeth Dunne noted that the three men “do not deny the existence of such a plan” but argue that it commenced before the initial injunction taken out by the IBRC in June 2011.

The bank is attempting to recoup debts of almost €3 billion which it says it is owed.

The judge noted that the IBRC has encountered “significant hurdles in obtaining documents and information as to the activities of the respondents,” saying:

Anglo has been opposed at every step of the way.

The IBRC said after the ruling that the contempt motion had been a “valid and necessary step for IBRC to take”.

“The proven planned, covert and illict actions taken by the Quinns and connected parties have resulted in millions of euros being lost or put at risk,” said Mike Aynsley, CEO of IBRC.

“IBRC will continue to seek to remedy this and recover as much of the remaining assets as possible on behalf of the Irish taxpayer”.

‘Vendetta’ against Séan Quinn, say former tycoon’s daughters >

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    Mute Jen Gordon
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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:35 PM

    I had the experience of living in Belfast two years ago during the 12th of July “festival” ….being from the south I was warned by locals not to wear any claddagh jewellery or anything with a cross , to get taxis to and from work and try not to speak on the streets because of my accent. The amount of armoured vans sure made it feel family orientated!!! I’m my ignorance I thought we had moved on … let’s just say safe to say I won’t be in Belfast for.another 12th celebration – the one was enough for me.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:03 PM

    @Jen Gordon: i spent the first 19 years of my life being barricaded into our estates on July 12 whilst bands paraded past singing sectarian songs and threatening to burn us out. My parents are still there, but like all sensible people, try to arrange holidays over the period. The marching season has not stopped. There’ll be many more to disrupt lives before September. I feel nauseated at the constant attempts to normalise this hatefest

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:26 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: Find it amusing that people dislike the orange order more for marching than Sinn Fein for killing.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:27 PM

    @Jen Gordon:

    Truth is the working class unionists in the North are in pain after the loss of their manufacturing and engineering industries, and now they have the humiliation of watching the ROI become an economic colossus next to the basketcase Northern statlet. Probably be a couple of generations before they learn to become meek and subservient towards the economic power next door.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:37 PM

    @Fred Jensen: “economic colossus”

    LOL!

    Yep, I could make my balance sheet look good too, if I starved my kids, cancelled the familys healthcare, lived out of our car, and allowed my address to be used for multinationals to avoid paying tax.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:45 PM

    @Free Halawa: Time to put down the phone. Your can of special brew is getting warm

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:48 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin: it was kindhearted people like you that looked out for me when I was there – I was completely ignorant thought it was in the past – came in to work with dinner in tubberware so I didn’t have to go to the shops that were open – some of the kindness people in the world

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:49 PM

    @Free Halawa: pretty sure there was loyalist terrorists too. Remember??

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:50 PM

    @Fred Jensen: I was there training in my department to the north because they were cheaper the amount of derogatory comments about me being from the south and I was handing over my own job !

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:53 PM

    @The Risen: I’m sure he meant to say ‘Leprechaun Economics’ colossus.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:03 PM

    If they want it to b a tourist attraction they should maybe stop closing almost every shop during it

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:05 PM

    @The Risen: Yeah, you cant move in Dublin from tripping over all the starved street urchins & people dying of consumption on the side of the road.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:12 PM

    @Anne Marie Devlin:

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:33 PM

    @Free Halawa: There’s another new thing I’ve learned. I had the misconception that most of the loyalest killers were members of the orange order. What I misunderstood was that the orange order and the UVF/ UDA were completely different organizations even though the same people might belong to them. (Just like sinn fein and the ira) and that the orange order is not a sectarian organization that bans catholics from belonging to it (Even loyalist catholics)
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:07 PM

    @Michael: open your eyes.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:42 PM

    I sometimes wonder what motivates people. In the northern corner of our island this week, we have people hoisting coffins with pictures of Martin McGuinness onto bonfires and our national flag being desecrated etc etc. Why is there no outrage in the media? If these individuals were targeting immigrants or some minority group there would be the usual wringing of hands but otherwise there isn’t a word said. Why is this? Why is this animalistic behaviour assisted and not a word said? I have the utmost respect for those of a loyalist and unionist tradition. They’re utterly entitled to their views and fair play to them, but the racism of the bonfire hooligans is a sad reflection on their tradition. However, the most galling thing is the lack of comment and condemnation in our national media.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:23 PM

    @Hello there friend: because the media here in the south has every one fooled in to believing it was a utopia

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:41 PM

    @Daithí Uí Ciarmhaic: a huge story this week ignored by the Irish media was the exodus of thousands of Irish people from the north over fears they would be victims of “cultural expression.”

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:37 PM

    @Hello there friend: leaders questions, was it even mentioned?

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    Jul 13th 2017, 1:46 AM

    It’s some sad childish voodoo bs alright. Some would call it pagan or idolatrous, if they really thought about it.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:34 PM

    For anyone who has not yet seen it, Martin McGuinness sons response to his fathers photo being placed on a mock coffin to be burned in effigy tonight…

    twitter.com/emmettmcg18/status/884844494029545472

    Emmett McGuinness‏
    @emmettmcg18

    I am very thankful that I was raised by parent’s never to hate anyone or anything. @moneillsf is right, the annual display of hate must end.

    His father would be proud. Fair play to the bloke.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:06 PM

    @The Risen wrote yesterday: , “you can be anti catholic church or anti organised religion without having a problem with catholics”

    The bonfires mostly represent a failure to appreciate history or being fed a history that suits mob convictions . It now seems the Southern counterparts have piggybacked on the same anti -Catholic sentiment but this time through those who like nothing better than to consider spiritual language as fairytales.

    At least the Orangemen only march for a short while while the anti-Catholic mob in the Journal comments section is constant.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:11 PM

    Oh look, the god squasd has arrived to smite me.

    Nice to have an admirer gerry. Surely a good christian such as yourself can forgive these blasphemers?

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:12 PM
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:16 PM

    @Mark DeFriest: Thanks for that Mark. My post didn’t include a hyperlink

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:21 PM

    @Gerald Kelleher: just to clarify people’s animosity towards the Church is based on factual evidence of widespread child abuse by clerics but more importantly the cover up that was called for by the Vatican on such matters. Now you can grown up, admit that or carry on with your wow betide me aren’t I awfully put down by comments by strangers on the Journal

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:23 PM

    @The Risen: maybe we should start in the south . Hate exists on both sides of the border . The country is choking on it . Thankfully we have a border that separates us . Let’s hope it stays there .

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:29 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: Or just follow the example shown by the Catholics/non unionist bigots in the 6 counties today, who will be a fine addition to the new republic after reunification.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:43 PM

    @The Risen: let’s be honest here a UI for many people in this country has nothing to do with unity . They see the border as some sort of battleground to fight over . To bring two groups of people that hate one another together is a stupid idea . The only thing that will come from it is violence and death . They hate us and we hate them so what’s the point .

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:50 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: What’s this ‘us’ business Tommy? I don’t remember you being appointed official spokesperson for ‘us’.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:52 PM

    “The Risen” also thinks that a “warning” excuses the bombing and murder of innocent civilians.

    http://jrnl.ie/3489328

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:55 PM

    LOL!

    http://twitter.com/urfarder

    ‘Diarmuid
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    Banned again dermo? 3 diarmuid profiles set up during June all blocked now??

    Arise diarmuid the 13th. Unlucky for anyone who has to read your bile.

    Enjoy your short stay under your 13th diarmuid profile old chap.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:05 PM

    “The Risen” insults victims of PIRA terrorism by calling casualties of civilian bombings “accidents”.

    http://jrnl.ie/3489328

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:11 PM

    Daddy shot people out of love I guess

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:19 PM

    @The Risen: In Christianity the only warning for blasphemy was against inspiration/spirit as the life lived solely by convictions is an unforgivable life or a waste of a life. This recent rise in anti-Catholic sentiment in the South based on the failings of the denominational Church morphs into idiotic academic convictions which dilute spiritual language of God into fairytales and what have you. Many in the Journal readership turn out to be a new version of the Orange order and from the same Enlightenment roots but you don’t know it yet.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:19 PM

    @The Risen: I notice in your last statement you didn’t include Protestant population in your UI . It’s not really a UI Ireland is it . It’s more like unity between nationalists north and south . You wonder why the unionists will resist a UI at all costs .

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:22 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: I did actually, under ‘non unionist bigots’ i.e. non catholics who are also not unionist bigots. This would include protestants who were not bigots.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:53 PM

    @The Risen: it’s what we call free speech risen . Maybe you heard about . The unionist population in north went to war against the Nazi s in defence of it while our republic leaders sat on their arses and did nothing . The unionist population did more to defend the island of Ireland in the last 100 yrs while the republic did nothing . Maybe we should give them Donegal as well .

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:57 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: “unionists will resist a UI at all costs” this isn’t the 70′s Tommy, unionism is a dying brand in the modern world, a lot of Protestants in the north don’t want anything to do with the unionists, they are horrified at the terrorism carried out by loyalists in the name of unionism.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:17 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: What are you smoking Tommy or are the fumes from your bonfire affecting you.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:44 PM

    Spent a break in Belfast recently. Couldn’t believe they were pitching this as family friendly festival. What do you say to a kid who has very little understanding of tribal politics or the troubles, why the nice deputy first minister’s coffin is being burned in a bonfire?

    It’s important to note that the vast majority of people in the north are great craic and just want to get on with their lives. It’s the indoctrination of the younger generation into this tribalism I can’t stand. 19 years after the GFA most young people, particularly from the ‘loyalist tradition’ should only have good memories. But the parades, bonfires and open season hatred remained and the walls stayed up.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:47 PM

    @Darren Bates: Or a kid who has to read this….

    http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1270577/northern-irish-police-looking-into-racist-bonfire-banner-suggesting-scott-sinclair-is-a-monkey/

    ‘NORTHERN Irish police are looking into a “distasteful” banner apparently hanging on a Belfast bonfire aimed at Celtic star Scott Sinclair.

    The message – branded racist by many social media users – states: “Scott Sinclair loves bananas.”

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:57 PM

    @The Risen: that’s absolutely horrible. When will the hatred end?

    I couldn’t give a rat’s who fought for who. If they came here as a Viking or as a Scottish planter. What man in the sky they believe in. If they call themselves Irish, British or Northern Irish. None of it matters a bit to me. This hatred, racism, sectarianism, bigotry needs to end. Hopefully now the Brits will see the kind of people that claim kinship with them and their eyes will be opened.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:01 PM

    @The Risen: it’s there Culture, racism, sectarianism so dont say anything to annoy them … our government & media is very silent on the burning of out national flag & other effigies

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:01 PM

    @Darren Bates: It should be the beginning of the end of the DUP/Tory deal. Whatever hatred put McGuinness coffin on the bonfire, they could argue about the troubles in their own bigoted way. But this was something else. This is the same supremacist attitude as the KKK. It shuns the parity of esteem necessary for progress to be made.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:25 PM

    @Christopher Doyle: Dobbys rags and RTE would be all over it if nationalists were holding an annual hate orgy, FF/FG would mention it every day in the Dail, they are cowards when it comes to standing up for their own people.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:43 PM

    @Darren Bates: they are not such great craic about politics religion and any kind of football..
    its a failed state..

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:55 PM

    So we are all welcome to come up from the south and watch our flag get brunt, listen to the famine song and enjoy the family day out. Cheers mate….bit like their cousins in America inviting African Americans to a good old cross burning.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:46 PM

    Funny how Liam Neeson who is in his 60s remembers the parades being even more sectarian in nature when he was a wee lad, but the contributor on this articles suggests everything was fine until the troubles. Different perspectives are interesting.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:03 PM

    @Cal Mooney: everything was fine until the native Irish started demanding equal rights.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:11 PM

    @Mr Phil Officer: nail on the head !

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:23 PM

    @Cal Mooney: You should read the book Reading in the Dark by Seamus Deane. It documents the sectarian nature of life in Derry before the troubles.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:46 PM

    @Mr Phil Officer: if i had to listen to that Lambay drum beating up and down my area with one purpose to antagonise catholics.
    my father and gf were from that region,,

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:45 PM

    Maybe the author should have spent his time on the Shankill Rd, and posted a true reflection of what goes on on the glorious twelfth,

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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:44 PM

    way too dangerous if he has a southern Irish accent. Family day me hole.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:33 PM

    If it’s not for tourists then why are the English over here doing it on island of Ireland?

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:59 PM

    @John Madden: What ‘English’ are those then? News to me – never heard of anyone in my neck of the woods visiting NI for Orange celebrations.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:50 PM

    They have absolutely no relevance anywhere outside of their bigoted sectarian communities , their lifeblood is the demonstration of their domination of the catholic community ,and this is almost at an end , so what is their relevance now , a tourist attraction? , good luck with that one.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:52 PM

    ‘I ask about the effigies and other offensive slogans placed on the Belfast bonfire last night’ You didn’t do too much research did you Darragh? ‘the Belfast bonfire’ That comment alone undermines your whole article and whatever it was you were trying to prove.

    Many bonfires throughout the 6 counties carried effigies, offensive slogans not to mention the many posters of election candidates from all parties outside of Unionism. Indeed a quick perusal of Facebook, Twitter or indeed a quick drive around Belfast or other areas would have shown you this. These slogans, posters etc are often placed on bonfires weeks before but not a peep out of Unionist politicians other than Arlene’s pronouncement that bonfire builders shouldn’t not to ‘play into hands of those wanting to demonise culture’
    Tourist attraction? Maybe for those who have sectarian, racist tendencies. As I have read elsewhere, many of the bonfires are akin to the burning crosses of the KKK, some of whose flags were on display near bonfires and on some streets.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:27 PM

    Third only to Morris Dancing and Dancing the May Pole on any UK tourist bucket list

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:34 PM

    Its all beginning to feel a bit like a human zoo,”roll up roll up,come see the past try to maintain relevant,before your very eyes will shall create little fundamentalists”

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:55 PM

    And the Shinners want to bring these neanderthals into this country by creating a United Ireland. And the icing on the cake is we’d have to subsidize them financially. Great plan.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:13 PM

    @Fred Jensen: partition is a failed policy, it has failed the entire island socially, culturally and economically for the best part of a century, that said the orange men should be entitled to hold their parades when a United Ireland eventually happens.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:19 PM

    @Mr Phil Officer:

    The ROI is one of the most successful countries in the world. Nothing failed about it.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:20 PM

    @Fred Jensen: Bingo!

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:25 PM

    @Fred Jensen: Homeless national emergency, trolley crisis, number of children in persistent poverty doubling on your beloved fine gaels watch.

    Nothing failed?

    Don’t insult the people bearing the brunt of FF/FG policy.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:59 PM

    @Fred Jensen: “one of the successful countries in the world”, most of the supposed wealth that was being flushed through the banks didn’t exist, unless you consider a Ponzi scheme and a bankrupt country as successful.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:22 PM

    Fred Jensen. Nothing failed about it? You must live in a box sealed from the outside world smoking crack.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:49 PM

    Naked sectarianism,,,why glorify this?

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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:34 PM

    Oh great, I must go for a tour of Raqqa in Syria, heard it’s lovely at this time of year…

    Though on my bucket list also is North Korea, a real friendly bunch, hope to take lots of pictures and see Kim Jong-un…

    Next on my bucket list is a trip to the deep South of the USA, maybe light a cross, put on a hood and go visit some black folks…

    But no way would I go to an Orange order march, that sh it is full of dangerous bigots!

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    Mute Pie O ' My
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:09 PM

    @Dub_Right: don’t forget Mogadishu very welcoming I hear

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    Mute ⚡ Seánie ⚡
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:06 PM

    Oddly I avoid working up north this week instead of heading up… didn’t realise I should be up soaking it in.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:51 PM

    From someone who’s originally from Dublin and lived in Lurgan since the 1990′s until 2000′s, I can assure you that it’s not a tourist attraction. I had petrol bombs thrown at my car, (though I did reverse the car and nearly kill the little pr*ck) much to my bemusement. Missiles thrown at my windows, etc, et alia, ad nauseum. Portadown especially is not a nice place to visit in an Irish registered vehicle during the July’s “FESTIVITIES” hahahahahha. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. lol. North Korea is a better place to visit I think lol.

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    Mute Paul Culligan
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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:51 PM

    To burn the National Flag of the very island that provides them with ‘life’, is a real insight into the stunted mindset of these primates, and a classic example to the world looking in, of what happens when a child feels unwanted. The very same people proudly display the Irish Flag on their vehicles, and wear Irish jerseys as they tour Europe, passing through all the countries that were once affected by their preferred masters. They dare not mention their true origins when push comes to shove. Nobody wants their hatred, not us, nor the world.

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    Mute Michael
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:56 PM

    The problem with your article is that some poor fool from the South might believe you and come down in their southern reg. car with their southern accent to watch the parade and stay on for the evening’s entertainment. If they do I’ll remember this article.

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    Mute Bríd Uí Mhaoluala
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:45 PM

    In Dingle at present , lots of Northern families here to avoid the 12th, same as the last 15 years .

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    Mute Aidan Molyneux
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:46 PM

    If it’s such a family friendly day why for as long a I remember have all the nordies come down south on hols . Even today on M50 the no of yellow plates with families with caravans and roof box’s

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    Mute Mick Tobin
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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:51 PM

    - “The Belfast parade was even relaunched as ‘Orangefest’ in 2008″

    If Belfast hosts a soccer tournament, the Dutch team play and bring along its legion of fans, that’d be an Orangefest. Perhaps it would inspire.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:19 PM

    @Mick Tobin:
    Orange fest supported by the billion pounds Foster got…maybe it could be renamed orangeade..

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    Mute Gerald Gallagher
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:56 PM

    The 12 of July is great for tourism along the coast of donegal as lots of people take holidays to get away this great tourist attraction ( bigot fest )

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    Jul 12th 2017, 11:41 PM

    @Gerald Gallagher: Not a fan of the 12th but no more bigoted than SF commemorating “volunteers” who murdered members of the unionist community.

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    Jul 13th 2017, 12:25 AM

    I am from Annalong. The orange order there traditionally has a different route every 4 years.

    So ever 4 years or so it marched up a catholic road (my road) to the orange hall.
    You would barely hear them until it came time to pass our GAA hall. Then the Sash (loyalist song) would be played full blast.
    How can you respect them then?

    I can honestly say that i have zero respect for anybody in the orange order. They are all a shower of bigots.

    Ps im a catholic who married a prod

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    Mute Brendan McLaughlin
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:35 PM

    This was the most relaxed and good-humoured 12th I have ever seen in Belfast.
    I watched the main march and I don’t have a single complaint.
    In the many years when I had serious complaints, I said it, so must say this year was very different.
    Its not my thing but, if they marched like this every year then there would never be any problems.
    Oh and the family crowds watching were a credit to themselves too!
    Cant believe I wrote that but, its true so fair play to them.

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    Mute billy Dorney
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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:56 PM

    @Brendan McLaughlin: noone pissing in the streets this year,,,,,?

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    Mute Todd
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:23 PM

    @Brendan McLaughlin: That is because they are relieved that they had a good westminister election and put the natives back in their box after the assemblies.

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    Mute Eddie Byrne
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    Jul 12th 2017, 7:45 PM

    How about burn a bigot day of celebration.

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    Mute Turk Oneeighttwo
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:46 PM

    Dom Orange Fockers think they still have their King Willie jackboots on Catholic necks.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:53 PM

    Ironic considering a bunch of Dutch, Danish and British tourists kicked this hatefest off 300 odd years ago….

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    Mute DaisyChainsaw
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    Jul 12th 2017, 8:44 PM

    Adidas must be thrilled with the product placement. Such smart marching uniforms eh?

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    Mute Gary Kearney
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    Jul 13th 2017, 7:02 PM

    @DaisyChainsaw: Horrified more like.

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    Mute Stephen murphy
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:19 PM

    Sad thing about all this, it divides people more and the UK can keep the place!

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:51 PM

    @Stephen murphy: There should be nothing divisive about it, Orangism should be protected under law in the new United Ireland.

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    Mute Tommy Whelan
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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:05 PM

    People in the south need to get real . Before independence unionism was present in all parts of Ireland . The orange order HQ was in Dublin . Between 1920 and 1923 40000 Irish protestants fled the south due to sectarian intimidation and murder . Why do you think they hate us soo much . We are constantly attempting to force our will on them . http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/revealed-why-40-000-protestants-fled-ireland-in-four-years-1-7940663

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:48 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: the reverse also holds true. Thousands of Catholics left N.I . The problem in the North was there was no real protections for Nationalists. Whereas in the South, Big employers like Guinness and Dunlops, Bank of Ireland were Protestant employers.Orange was put in the flag, and the Dáil passed laws to protect Unionist schools like Trinity college. There was nothing like this in the North- hence 60 years of strife!!

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    Mute Todd
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:26 PM

    @Tommy Whelan: Stop letting on you are Irish, you are a unionist; end of story.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:49 PM

    @Todd: are you attempting to say a unionist is not a Irish man or that a catholic cannot be s unionist .

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    Mute Fred Jensen
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:58 PM

    @Tommy Whelan:

    Shannon town was built using labour from Catholic refugees from the North.

    Thoughts?

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:13 PM

    The massive irony in the 12th July celebrations is that back in 1690 the Gaelic Irish & a smattering of Scots Irish Presbyterians were the ones loyal to the British King James II, whilst today’s loyalists ancestors gave their allegiance to a foreign Prince simply because they didnt like the Christian sect the King followed. All this silly marching on this island whether its commemorating King Billy & protestant sectarianism or glorifying anti democratic paramilitaries like the 1916 crew or the provo “volunteers” all contribute to the tedious lingering divisions on this island.

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    Jul 12th 2017, 9:51 PM

    @AR Devine: There is a grain of truth in what you say. But you could say the same thing about wearing the Poppy. Does it fuel Brexit and WW2/1 glorification? I don’t think so, it and the marches commemorate the fallen soldiers. Hopefully not celebrate them. The 12th celebrates a victory though.

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    Jul 13th 2017, 1:59 AM

    @hallelujah: what a kip of a place to live. A hole would be a better name for the kip

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    Mute Paul Coughlan
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    Jul 12th 2017, 10:08 PM

    Bigots.

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    Mute Jed I. Knight
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    Jul 13th 2017, 4:55 PM

    @Paul Coughlan: Yes they are, that and more. The author clearly visited carefully selected areas where there were no nationalist populations to mar the proceedings, after all who wants to see hatred bigotry and conflict played out in front of them.
    Oh of course the Orange Order don’t condone this, but they don’t do a whole lot to stop it either, do they?
    They want their ‘culture’ protected, their customs of segregation, bigotry, violence and agression towards another community in Northern Ireland, their politicians don’t even hide their disdain and bitterness for the catholic community. In every country where a people have been pushed down, they have always, eventually, risen up and defeated their agressors. It will be no different here. They shouldn’t be surprised. A wise man one said freedom cannott be given, it must be taken. Nelson Mandela. They would be wise to communicate and not step backwards.

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    Mute Andi Black
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    Jul 12th 2017, 11:08 PM

    The Lundy march in Derry/Londonderry is an upsetting experience for the novice onlooker.

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    Mute Carm(Orange Vampire)
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    Jul 13th 2017, 12:56 AM

    My birthday is the 12th of July and I’ve always fancied going up to the parades just once to see what it’s like. I’m guessing that a lot of people think this might not be one of my better ideas???

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    Jul 13th 2017, 12:27 AM

    King William of Orange had the Popes blessing at the time, when William beat James then the Pope had celebrations in Rome because of it. They are marching because of that but they lost the meaning through being sectarian but really the Orange Order was created from Wolf Tones actions?

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    Jul 13th 2017, 1:13 AM

    @Alois Irlmaier: I think you need to go and read a history book , one with a timeline .

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    Mute Brian O Reilly
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    Jul 13th 2017, 4:35 AM

    It must be magic for the kids to see the Toy Soldiers hop out of their colouring book and March down the street ,all whistles and drums.
    Flags and banners waving .

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    Jul 13th 2017, 12:46 AM

    You went to Down…

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    Mute Colm Ó Liatháin
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    Jul 13th 2017, 8:46 AM

    What a pile of sh1 te. The orange order are rasist bigots. Saying they welcome those foreign fishermen is akin to saying house ni##ers. They are racist vermin that will most likely put their windows through next week when the cameras are gone.

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    Mute Dermot Keogh
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    Jul 13th 2017, 1:24 PM

    Stupid men in Stupid hats with stupid orange around their necks a bunch of GobSxixex.

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