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THE IRISH COUNCIL of Civil Liberties has said that Justice Minister Alan Shatter “may have been editorial with the truth” over the GSOC bugging controversy and has called for an independent inquiry.
The human rights watchdog says that an independent inquiry is needed to “staunch the erosion of public trust in the independence and effectiveness of Ireland’s police accountability systems”.
“The GSOC seems not to have told the Minister for Justice its full reasons for launching a spying sweep and, in turn, the minister may have been editorial with the truth before the Dáil,” said ICCL director Mark Kelly.
As for the Garda Commissioner, it strains credulity for him to suggest that the possibility of unauthorised spying by members of An Garda Síochána can have been definitively eliminated in the space of a couple of days.
Shatter is due to appear before the Oireachtas Oversight committee on Wednesday evening to provide an update on the affair and to answer questions from committee members.
The committee’s chairman, Sinn Féin TD Padraig McLochlain, yesterday repeated his party’s call for an independent inquiry into the bugging allegations but his comments led to Fine Gael TD Charlie Flanagan questioning his ability to chair Wednesday’s meeting.
But the ICCL hsays that an independent inquiry could deal with unresolved concerns including who was behind the UK mobile phone network identified near the GSOC’s offices and what exactly prompted the security sweep to begin with.
“The Taoiseach faltered at the outset of this ongoing scandal, when he wrongly suggested that GSOC had breached a legal duty to report to the minister,” said Kelly.
“He could show real leadership at this juncture by moving swiftly to appoint an independent person to conduct an inquiry under the Commissions of Investigation Act 2004.”
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Is this what it takes for the media to take notice?
Fair play Sinead RTE will prob say it was a firework or somethin!
Take notice of what? The new government in Italy? It has been well covered. And why would RTE say something like that?
Len as i say on most articles r.t.e is complete rubbish. Just tells the people what government wants them to hear. And sad thing is most people over 50 the six o clock news on r.t.e is there bible. Always watch it they do. And people over that age are the main majority of voters. I personaly didn’t pay for a t.v licence in nearly 3 years. Just never opened me door to anyone . Anyone looking for me will ring me .
No Mick. The protests throughout Europe, does the Irish media only acknowledge these protests when someone only lets shots off?
Dave i know it is sadly, but more and more people are starting to see thru their agenda a lot of the owl lads i work with now turn off the 6 o clock news saying they are sick of being lied to and what they see in the papers they say they are starting to read between the lines.
The game is nearly up.
Len, you’re sounding everyday more and more like Jim Corr. And you want people to follow you into battle? Nah…
Small portion of !!!!!
A portion of the big “C”… And im not talkin bout cancer ;-)
People are sick of their governments screwing them and we are going to see a lot more of these events they are wining and dining their selfs while we have to eat crumbs. There will be a revolution throughout Europe if they don’t change their ways
This what im about to say will offend people . To them people im sorry but the only way we will get this shower of thiefs to stop robbing us is start wrecking the place. Shut down the m50 sure its not even Irish owned occupy banks and start smashing the place up. You may say that will just make things worse. But think back to them orange lads tried matching down o connal street . Loads of scrots destroyed town . But it worked as there is no orange men trying marchs since
Dave. Instead of “wrecking the place” why not use the legitimate tool you have at your disposel. The ballot box. And if you and so many of your supporters feel that your vote is ineffectual then start your own political party and stand for election. Instead of pissing and moaning and throwing the rattle out of the pram. Put yourself forward to the electorate. If you really want to change things do it from within Leinster House.
If Dave did start his own party it would be people such as yourself Mick who would label them the “loonie lefties” or “conspiracy theorists”. Which solves nothing.
Wrecking the place seldom improves it.
The only thing i can see that would work mick is one leader . A dictated society might say. The way it is now you need to hold the majority of tds to be leader . So they can just keep there monopoly going. if i was to do what you suggest first of i would need money to run my election campaign . So i would need donations of rich business that would want something in return of course or im a little rich boy that grew up privileged and have no idea what its like to be working class.
But it is inevitable…
That’s what’s the scary part.
Ahh so you would like a Maoist/Stalinist state like North Korea?
No i don’t believe i said anything remotely like that.
Problem is Mick we did try the ballot box and look at what we got. We need more/new parties yes but we should follow the Iceland model for removing the current wast of spaces.
There will never come change from within lenister house, Mao was right Power comes from the barrel of a gun
careful, mick is a wannabe cia agent, he reports back to the embassey.
ahhh mick, the guy who believes conspiracy theorists are like creationists.
On a different note, if you oppose the illegal invasion of Syria, please join this FB page:
Did you or did you not say that we need a dictatorship?
Golden I didn’t know Syria was a Democracy. When did that change? In the last few minutes?
Im not even gonna bnother with ya Mick, as someone pointed out other day you get pedantic and focus on small things to avoid logical discussion, Ciao
Mick not once did i mention Korea . Not that i agree with the way Korean people are treated America absolutely flattened the north of Korea back 1950s to stop spread of communism to protect so called democracy . So if i was Korean i be pretty much annoyed with u.s.a myself . Hitler was an economic genius and a dictator . He created a major boom in German economy when he refused to pay back loans England and France saddled on Germany. Before you accuse me of supporting what he did with this strong economy i in no agreed with his horrible acts against fellow humans that resulted in deaths and suffering of millions.
Kerry. Just read that the Icelandic population have re-elected the Government that was in power during the crisis. Kind of shoots down that idea.
I am asking what type of dictatorship you would like. Socialist, Facist, Theocratic?
Not really mick was commenting on their actions 2 years ago not their current actions. Mind some would say we were a head of them electing the current bunch of plebs. More of the same…
I did not mention Korea once in my statement. And if you were to look at the world from a Korean perspective there whole country was flattened by America in 1950s so in there eyes they have to try protect themselves . I in no way agree with the way there people are treated before you accuse me . Hitler was dictator and he turned Germany into a economic power house when he refused to pay England and France back massive loans . I in no way agree with what he did with this economic wealth in causing the deaths and suffering of millions .
Icelands economy growing faster than u.s.a and Europe . Fact
Again Dave you avoid the question. What type of Dictatorship do you prefer?
A socialist one mick. A fair socialist one were no more brown envelopes no more lies no more selling out our own people . It should be law if you lie in your election campaign you should be sacked and benefits removed. I love this country mick. It has some of the greatest humours people in the world. Im just getting sadder watching what’s happening to this great land.
So like I said Maoist/Stalinist.
And Dave. If it was a Dictatorship there wouldn’t be any elections. That is the whole point of a Dictatorship.
What about a realist dictatorship Mick,
Not that im for a dictatorship, Im just throwing it out there.
Maoist was bit much. He wanted to kill people to get what he wants. Don’t agree with killing . Just will cause more suffering . And yes your right a dictatorship has no voting . Is there a way for to be just one leader that is voted in by the people . And if people don’t like him/her vote a new leader in . The way it is now is now with needing a party majority kind of keeps it in a monopoly .
Please explain that one to me. Never come across one of them before.
I didn’t myself . Just saying could work.
Careful Dave Mick is tryin to label you as a maoist/stalinist supporter.
When clearly your not.
Dave. Have you heard the saying “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. So you give all the power to one man and he surrounds himself with his supporters. Placing them incharge. Of the Security Forces how do you get rid of him if he decides to stay put.
Leonard. I am just asking questions. Should I just follow blindly?
No you should never follow blindly . It just seems most of the world does. And if you don’t believe we are now living in near enough a fascist dictatorship then your truly blind. This country is being sold on the cheap to rich people . There’s a protest today to try and stop our forests being sold to Chinese investers . Why should a foreign country own our forests . ?
No not at all Mick, one should never follow blindly, but unfortunately you do.
Because they want to buy them?
But yet Leonard you whine and complain when I do ask questions. Is it the case that I should only ask certain questions that you approve of?
Why do they want to buy them Mick?
When have wined about your questions?
Your the one who avoids answering questions Dave has answered your question many times but yet you still try and twist his words, like always.
So Mick what “system” of government would you prefer? I won’t expect an honest answer either.
Because they they are for sale. Why does anybody buy something rather than steal it. Because someone else has put it up for sale.
A democratic one. Does that answer your question.
What model democratic one?
Well you have the American and French model of presidental type or the Parliamentary type that we and most of Europe use. Either one suits me.
Both have lots of flaws.
What about the swiss model?
I would have mo problem with the Swiss system. But its not the Socialist Dictatorship Dave is seeking.
People have become desperate Mick they will turn to what they as a person think is best.
I think we need a realist democratic government, not a corporate one like the US and Europe is gettin, a proper one with the true meaning Of, By and For the people. The current system we have is only intensifying the problem and further separating the gap between “rich” and “poor” we need a proper system where our leaders are accountable for the decisions they make, we need proper media, not one controlled by a handful of big corporations, we need decent men and women to lead this world regardless of religion, culture, natural resources, we need good people. Not brainwashed puppets who have been manipulated by they very system they try to lead. We need people.
Leonard. People are desperate now. But if the boom times return I guarantee you those that are now protesting will stop and go back to their comfortable lives and those of the left calling for “Revolution” will be left swinging in the wind.
Of course they will Mick. People are selfish, people are stupid.
A person isn’t selfish, a person isn’t stupid
Iceland just voted back in the party that ruined them in 2009
Europe is sowing the seeds of its own destruction by continuing to screw it’s people. This is how Hitler came to power the German people had nothing and history is repeating its self. Something has to give
Hitler was an economic genius. He won times man of of the year i think it was in 1937. he was a disgusting man tho that responsible for millions of deaths and suffering .
Hitler’s ideas haven’t gone away you know.
No they are alive and strong. Just hidden from public knowledge
Was this shooting carried out by a angry Italian citizen ,could ,if is was, be something that’s growing in the thought’s of the European citizens ,that lives in the fiscally effected areas
More than likely flop, same thing happened in Greece a couple of months back a lad sprayed shots out of an AK into parliament buildings.
Can the IMF/EU not see what is becoming of the people they are supposedly there to “help”
Leonard. Protests have become so common across Europe that they are non news now. So unless you get an event like this nobody cares. Do I care if somebody protests in Athens, Paris or Rome? No I couldn’t care less. If people protest in Dublin do you think people in London, Berlin or Lisbon care. You can bet they don’t. And this is why the protests themselves are non news.
But you seem to care a lot about American wars and occupations in other countries Mick, what does that tell me?
No Leonard. What I care about is debunking myths and fairy tales.
Then why have you a soldier as your profile picture wearing a gas mask?
Do you condone the use of chemical weapons?
Come on mick anything about america and your always object it.are you American or what’s the story.
Leonard look again. How many “Soldiers” wear riot helmets.
No Shane born and raised right here.
Then why so serious about america.can you understand why alot of people and countries don’t like the good old USA
And what of those that support America?
Yea there’s a few but I’m sure they have interests in supporting america usually in the form of dollars.do you not think that some of Americas policys are creating more terrorists that they are stopping.how can they back “freedom fighters” in syria but fight the same crowd in Afghanistan both fight under the al quieda flag.
Don’t get me wrong either I know that America has done good things like kicking Iraq out of Kuwait and intervening in the conflict in bosnia aswell I think.
Please join this page, STOP INVASION for SYRIA if you oppose tyranny
https://www.facebook.com/groups/651415178206075/
And Golden what about the tyranny of the present Syrian government? When was the last time they held multi party democratic elections? When was the last time people could demonstrate against the government of Syria and not get shot?
Mick one more thing .most weapons in war torn African countrys and middle east are American made weapons. Hmmmmmm .
Democratic elections have been offered up once this false rebellion has ended, and its funny that most of those demonstrators have now turned to show solidarity with Assad as the country is been attacked by US backed al-Qaeda factions, the very reason the US invaded Afghanistan was to rid it of Al-Qaeda was it not? See the pattern developing now Mick, the US does wat it wants when it wants to suit itself
Actually you will find that they are eastern block. You really should check before making statements like that.
Eastern block? who?
If America wants to invade why wait so long. Why not give the rebels air cover, Why not give them Main Battle Tanks, why not give them Heavy Artillery? Why not launch missiles from off shore? And as for the Rebels there are several different factions. The Al Nursa Front is only one of them. The FSA make up the bulk of the fighters but you and others choose to ignore that and concentrate on one group.
This should clear things up for you Mick
They don’t want to invade there hoping the rebels will get rid of assad for them.how many of these freedom fighters will be radicalised in this war and then go on to train and brain wash more men to attack the west.how can they be sure there “aid” doesn’t get into the hands of al queda.
No mick there mainly American. Even the i.r.a used mainly American made weapons bought of gadaffi .
The same Gaddaffi who funded Sarkozys election campaign, the same Gaddaffi who was going to bloke golden the lid on the funding, the same one who’s country was picked apart by NATO, but mainly French precision airstrikes, the same one who was pulled from a car and riddled with bullets, before he got to speak.
Join the page lads this invasion has to be stopped, spread the word and we’ll get protests going hopefully before its too late
https://www.facebook.com/groups/651415178206075/
Russian and Chinese for the most part Golden. You should know that considering that you are so politically “enlightened”. Have a look at any video of conflict in Africa and what are the most predominant weapons being used? AK 47′s, RPG 7′S, PKM’S and the list goes on.
Again Dave wrong. Most of the IRA. Weaponry was also eastern block. You really should do some checking of facts.
Since when has Armalite been eastern block? You fool
Ooh so the Russians and Chinese are funding these Al-Qaeda factions now are they? news to me and everyone else, please show me some evidence..
Golden the vast majority of the weapons destroyed during the peace process were Russian and Chinese made AK 47′s, Semtex explosives, RPG 7 Rocket launchers and PKM machine guns. You really are making yourself look stupid you know.
Boom was waiting on that!
Where did I say the Russians and Chinese were funding Al Queda?
Read back up on your own posts and mine
Golden. I would suggest you read the entire thread. I first spoke of Russia and China in relation to the majority of weapons being used in conflicts across Africa. And no where did I mention Al Queda and Finance. So if you are intent on making things up a least make them plausible.
Ok my mistake on that you replied after one of my posts about eastern block, anyway the majority of Assault rifles came from the US, the Armalite was the main rifle used
Golden. The most widely used assault rifle around the world is the AK 47. And if you look at any video posted by PIRA the vast majority of their weaponry is AK47′s. And who makes the AK 47? Mainly Russia and China.
Anyways the USA is backing the FSA/Muslim Brotherhood/Al-Qaeda for their own agenda not for the majority of Syrians who by the way are fully behind Assad and his government
Roughly 2,500 Armalite rifles imported by America, Gaddafi’s shipments were only really significant for the amount of Semtex he sent over.
The western allies are backing the FSA they are not backing the other factions. The fact that they fight a common enemy doesn’t make them same.
According to Garda and other intelligence sources at least 2 shiploads of weapons and explosives were landed from Libyia before the third shipload was intercepted.
Please, The FSA is a sham, its foreign islamic jihadists backed by the CIA just like in Afghanistan in the 70′s, Bin Laden was a “rebel” there when they needed him to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RCN1w5J80E&feature=player_embedded
So the 70,000 or so fighters in the FSA are foreigners?
Lol there ye go again, nit picking instead a lookin at the big picture, lemme ask you again coz ye ignored it last time Do you not think the CIA is involved in conspiracy?
And look at the video there it might open your eyes to whats goin on..
Are the CIA assisting with training and logistics to the FSA? Sure. Even they won’t deny that.
And 70,000 fighters is one very big nit to pick.
Yes Mick, the very same Army that is holding towns to siege, with tens of thousands on the brink of death from starvation, and if anyone dare come and ask them for food are beheaded and they bodies held for ransom, you’ve really no idea how bad the FSA is for Syria, but hey lets keep supporting them because the US says they the Good guys…
This article kind of sihts all over your argument pal
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ie/2013/04/nyt-nowhere-in-rebel-controlled-syria.html
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