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THE ST VINCENT’S HOSPITAL Group (SVHG) has said that a shareholding in SVHG held by the Religious Sisters of Charity has been transferred to a new charity.
The charity is St. Vincent’s Holdings CLG, a not-for-profit company with charitable status that is governed by Irish Company Law.
The development is part of years of debate about the ownership of the site of the new National Maternity Hospital (NMH) and its governance.
The hospital is currently located at Holles Street in Dublin city centre, but is set to move to Elm Park, where it will be co-located with St Vincent’s Hospital.
Religious group Sisters of Charity owned the land on which the NMH is to be built and it had been proposed that the proposed deal would see the religious order owning the facility because it was providing the lands at no cost to the State.
Following the increasing opposition to the plans, the Sisters of Charity announced an end to their involvement with the SVHG in 2017 said they would therefore not be involved in the ownership or management of the new NMH.
The transfer of their shareholding of the SVHG has been beset with delays, however, and it had even been suggested that a location for the hospital may be needed to resolve the ongoing issues.
In a statement today, however, chair of SVHG James Menton said that the transfer had been completed.
“Today is very significant for St. Vincent’s Healthcare Group and for Ireland’s healthcare sector,” he said.
The Sisters’ role in the development of modern healthcare for Irish people from all walks of life cannot be underestimated and we thank them sincerely for their commitment, dedication and service.Moreover we are very grateful to them for vesting substantial and valued healthcare facilities in the St. Vincent’s Healthcare Group (as represented by shareholders’ funds in SVHG of €204 million as at 31 December 2020). We wish them well in their ongoing charitable work both in Ireland and abroad.
Sister Patricia Lenihan, superior general in the Religious Sisters of Charity, said in the same statement that they “will have no role in the future of the new independent charity, the St. Vincent’s Healthcare Group, St. Vincent’s Holding CLG or the new National Maternity Hospital.”
“We will continue to care for people who are sick and/or poor, those nearing the end of life, people who are homeless, refugees and those who are victims of human trafficking as well as carrying on our work to develop and deliver education programmes,” she said.
The proposed connection between the religious group and the new Maternity Hospital has sparked intense political debate as well as demonstrations and activism in recent years.
Opposition to the plans for the ownership structure included various political parties and former master of the NMH Dr Peter Boylan.
Protests were held today during a Fianna Fail Women’s Health Conference where Health Minister Stephen Donnelly was speaking.
Speaking at the protest, activist Layla Wade told the PA news agency that a full range of health services should be provided at the new maternity hospital, including abortion, sterilisation, and IVF.
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Would everyone please wear a mask in shops, the number of eegits without them is astonishing.
@Hector Son: have you seen the amount of eegits that keep pulling them up and down touching their faces and then mauling everything in the shop…
@Hector Son: covIDIOTS :)
@Declan Gaffney: yep. Take them off to talk to people or use their phone. I think this is why the health authorities were reluctant to advise using them in the beginning. It seems to make people touch their faces more often
@sjr: And some will see wearing a mask as protection, so go lax on the hand-washing and distancing.
Masks for me are like bicycle helmets – a distraction from the real issue.
Keep distance and keep yer hygiene up.
@Hector Son: Have you seen all the eejits that are not wearing them properly. Most now seem to think they don’t need to 2m social distance. Also don’t seem to be able to read with them or know their left from their right. Using entry instead of exit and vice versa and keep left seems to baffle them.
@Hector Son:
@Hector Son: I’m one of those eejits you speak of.
Could you please explain why our cases and deaths bottomed long before masks were introduced?
Could you also explain why the Netherlands have ever decreasing numbers after abolishing masks except on public transport. Sweden still has a population and working economy despite no masks.
Could you also explain why the virus doesn’t spread in 9 euro pubs where masks are not required?
Regards….
@Hector Son:Most of the people NOT wearing masks are men!!! Do they think it makes them look weak or what? It is disgraceful .
@Irene Mc Hugh: most of the ones taking them down to talk are women
@Hector Son:
avoid shops that dont enforce mask usage!
@Hector Son:And you are not an eegit
@Vladimir Macro: And then we opened up and here is your choice Vlad….mask or stay indoors! Choice is yours
@Vladimir Macro: Don’t look to the Netherlands . The population there are terrible obeying rules . My Dutch friend is 39 and jogs every day. Got Covid and still went shopping and to work . When I asked her why she told me everyone is doing it. Plus they don’t do 2 meters distancing its less at 1.5 and no one obeys it apparently . Huge death rate for a small country. Btw my friend ended up very ill and was sick for a total of 10 weeks . She still suffers extreme fatigue and lung problems
@Vladimir Macro: Netherlands unfortunately don’t have ever decreasing cases. And it’s not that difficult to check. Why post misinformation?
@Irene Mc Hugh: Its not mandatory to wear a mask. Also all this mask shaming is disgusting its just bullying. Cases started dropping long before the advice on masks. It would serve better if people keep adhering to social distancing and hand washing they are the most important.
@Frances Casey: You forgot the other thing that reduced the numbers….lock down. So as I said to Vlad, here are your choices as the country opens….wear a mask….or stay indoors (lockdown)
@Irene Mc Hugh: you’re so right, I was in a supervalu and a centra yesterday and lots of men of mixed ages not wearing masks, I don’t care if they believe they won’t get sick but they could so easily be spreading it.
@Vladimir Macro: Give over and wear a bloody mask – think of other people it’s not all about you
@Hector Son: totally agree. It is a real struggle to stop myself from saying it to people.
@Frances Casey: yes but unfortunately they don’t
@Irene Mc Hugh: in aldi today.6 women in 30 to 40 age not wearing masks.
@Frances Casey: cases dropped because most places were closed and almost everyone stayed at home, when the country started reopening the infection rate climbed, mainly because people didn’t abide by the rules.
@Vladimir Macro: eejit! I wear mask to protect you, so you wear mask to protect me. If you have no common sense you’re definitely eejit!
@Joe_X: No these are not the choices just your opinion. Masks are not mandatory. They are more of a hindrance than a help. Majority are not fit for purpose and should be changed/disposed of after 4 hours. People are not using them properly.
Down of nose, up over chin, touching them, pulling them down to speak or even worse smoke. Social distancing seems to have gone out the window with mask wearers. The most important aspect is 2m social distancing and hand washing.
@John Mulligan: For a country reopening our case rate is low. The infection rate didnt rise and most people abide by the rules. But don’t let the facts get in the way.
@Sharon Browne: they could very well be spreading it or so you think
On what scientific evidence are you basing that statement
@Vladimir Macro: could you explain where you got your medical degree? If not, shut up.
@Joe_X: Sweden says neither
@Sid: I am responding to the doctor from with the first comment. I appreciate your kindness and understanding of the matter.
Regards.
@Vladimir Macro: what is your problem with wearing a mask?
@Declan Gaffney: people need to understand the word disposable, don’t keep using the frkn same mask for days.
@Vladimir Macro: the Netherlands have NOT decreasing numbers.. I don’t know why you think that.. have you a link?
@Ellen Day: yes Ellen you are 100% correct.. they are playing fast and loose with Covid… reckless to say the least. No strict rules there and are most likely heading towards another lockdown, a stricter one this time.
@Frances Casey: yes, it is my opinion. These are all our opinions, but your statement was that CoViD-19 numbers started dropping before masks were introduced but you never stated that most of the country’s population were in lockdown. It was not just social distance and hand washing that made this happen. I do concur with what you have said about people wearing masks incorrectly but the fact that people not wearing them correctly is a matter of educating them and there are other forms of face covering that can be used. If people do not start using them we could see lockdowns again. Not a national one, but regional lock downs. So if people do not have a medical reason that prevents them from wearing a mask….put it on or we will be back where we started.
@Vladimir Macro: Well go to Sweden so if you admire them so much.
@Joe_X: what happened to be 15 minutes in the close company of an infected person or is that an inconvenient fact regarding wearing filth gathering masks
@Sean Salmon: as with the rest of it, the 15 minutes is a guideline, not a law. The virus, or any virus for that matter, does not know whether you are in someones company, 1 minute or half an hour.
@Rosa Lopez: The data on many facets of the virus, including masks, has steered me to an opinion that goes against the grain.
People dont like that, as you can see from the comments.
Follow the data.
@Joe_X: I prefer to live here and live my life. You can stay locked up if you like.
@Irene Mc Hugh:
In this regard I am not Spartacus.
@Philip Howlin: Citizens arrest or call the Gards.
Pathetic carryon
@Frances Casey: Proper crowd of curtain twitchers here today!
Having been in Blanchardstown Shopping Centre today doesn’t surprise me. At most half the people were wearing masks. Needs to become mandatory and shoppers refused entry if not wearing one
@seangolden1978: Agreed.
@seangolden1978: Agree. But a lot more people wearing masks in Dundrum today – I hadn’t been there for 2 weeks and a big increase across all ages.
@Mairead Jenkins: liffey Valley is shocking, less than 1/2 of people wearing any face covering at all.
@seangolden1978: if only the ugly ones would wear masks!
@Mairead Jenkins: yes was there today good to see
@seangolden1978: was in a Dunnes yesterday as well. Only half the staff wearing them.
@Mairead Jenkins: maybe you shouldn’t be going to Dundrum. Ever think of that?
@John Waters: Why?
@Mairead Jenkins: Dundrum is not Blanchardstown
@seangolden1978: it is mandatory but just not enforceable yet.
@seangolden1978: Its now a problem because most mask wearers are not keeping to 2m. It seems people think they are immune now.
@Bernard Sweeney: Its not mandatory go to Government website. They ask people to wear them.
@seangolden1978: agreed. Was in Liffey Valley today and the vast majority of people were wearing masks thankfully and some shops were refusing entry if you didn’t have one.
@seangolden1978: A mask give false sense of protection try washing the filth off your hands and stuff like that.
@seangolden1978: I think shops are afraid to confront customers who do not wear masks especially bigger shops. It’s like the people who don’t wear masks feel the are immune to the virus. They look oblivious to what is happening around them
@Karen Ryan: This is exactly it. I work in retail and management won’t refuse entry to a customer until it becomes 100% mandatory via law and fines are issued for non compliance. They don’t want to deal with accusations of “discrimination”.
Phase 2 here we go……….
@Micheal: the Journal said today there were 9 cases in hos. Where are these 85 seems very high since yesterday.
@Mary Oliver: 26 in Kildare, a cluster there, 18 in Dublin , 11 in Clare and George Lee mentioned Laois too.
@Mairead Jenkins: Thanks. Where did you get this breakdown please?
@Seriousnojoke: in the article
@Seriousnojoke: read the article
@Micheal: Sure, 85 cases in 5 million.
@Mairead Jenkins: yes just saw that on paper. I didn’t see the 6.00 o’clock news. Thanks
@Paul Mcnevin: it started with 1 case in Wuhan
@Seriousnojoke: it in the article, maybe read it, instead of going straight to the comments
@Mairead Jenkins: factory in Kildare and a DP centre where workers lived. Pubs definitely won’t be opening and the cynic in me questions the release of these numbers. Anything to do with keeping us in over the bank holiday weekend?
@Micheal: didn’t knew that the 1st finished
@Anne Marie Devlin: numbers are reported in the same manner with the same metrics every day. Would be worried if the numbers weren’t released.
@Daniel Curtin: he was being clearlysarcastic…..
Ffs, have a pop at the original commenter, they were questioning your literacy skills….
@Daniel Curtin: he was being seriouslysarcastic….
Ffs, have a go at the original commenter. They were insulting your literacy skills……
@Anne Marie Devlin: Exactly what I thought.
@Jodie Gayson: lol
@Ciaran Lehane: Never be too sure about that. An open mind on pretty much everything is a safer place to live. I ask myself the same Qs as Anne Marie and feel the safer for it.
@Mary Oliver: Glynn just confirmed 6 in hospital
@John Mulligan: Thanks. The article must have been updated a couple times
@Paul Mcnevin: and the 14 last night, the 40 the night before, the 11 the night before that and so on….that’s 150 cases there in just the last 4 nights….out of 5 million as you put it!
@Joe_X: and that’s just the guys that are showing symptoms, bothered to get tested, and got the results yesterday. Each of those 80 are predicted to currently infect more than 1 person. If you don’t know how quickly this becomes a problem, try to put a grain of rice on the first square on a chessboard, and double it for every square. That’s your 5 million infected by the third row!
@Brynþór Patrekursson: nice analogy
@Virus-free Turkey: no problem having an open mind but questioning why they are releasing the numbers today when the numbers are released every day is ridiculous
Now before anyone goes panicking.
Every time we’ve seen big numbers on a daily – it’s been backdated numbers or an isolated cluster like a meat factory.
The first lockdown we were barely testing and seeing these numbers so knew there were loads more. Now we’re tracking everything so 85 is not a huge number either way. MOST cases now are asymptomatic anyway.
So how bout – just for once – everybody not start panicking?
@Colm Malone: ah some sense
@Colm Malone: well said, unfortunately taking a moment to get all the facts and common sense doesn’t go down too well in the journal comment section
@Colm Malone: cluster of 16 in a factory in Kildare. Just 6 people in hospital at the moment.
@Colm Malone: Wouldnt the fact that most cases are asymptomatic be more concerning since they’ve been going around not knowing they have it. Testing positive while asymptomatic may just be luck that it was discovered in the first place. Someone with symptoms would, i assume, seek medical attention and isolate.
@Colm Malone: agree Colm, it’s just sad that the scare tactic seems to be to just announce a figure and give absolutely no information as to the precise and accurate reason for the numbers. This needs to be the case for 1 or 101
@Colm Malone: well said Colm Malone. It’s downright tiring listening to some of the negatives when we have many positives too.
@Dave Phelan: plenty of information given broken down by county, by age groups, transmission type, nursing home information, healthcare workers affected, etc.
@Colm Malone: no need to panic .. already you can see the rush to blame anyone not wearing a mask for the rise .. always a target .. Joggers, Bulgarians, Texans . People should remember that mask wearing in shops only started for real a week ago and cases have been very low for 2 months now.. so it ain’t lack of mask wearing that’s causing any rise.
@Colm Malone: ur right but 3 weeks ago it was 34, then 37, now 85, next peak could be 2 weeks away but it could be 135 or higher..
@Colm Malone: finally a voice of reason
@Thomas O’ Donnell: where are getting the info on the cluster – I don’t see mention of a factory in the article
@Gordon Walsh: rte website
@Lesley Kane: saying they are backdated cases when they clearly for not . That’s a voice of reason …. More like delusional. But whatever floats your boat.
@Colm Malone: Not going to happen. I think some thrive on these scenarios and are actually disappointed if the news is good. Common sense is wasted on them.
@Michael Waldron: Better start checking your dates. They were suggested when the numbers started rising 4 weeks ago then made mandatory but not enforced which means many still not wearing them. BTW….those figures reported today were infected over a week ago!
@Colm Malone:THANK YOU. Some sense. Meat plant cluster is far from ideal but at least it’s identifiable and can be worked with from a tracing and quarantine point of view. Take that number out, and yes we still see an increase, it let’s be honest, in the grand scheme of things, it’s still minuscule numbers. The level of panic in here is astonishing … then again ….
@Joe_X: Thankfully there is a wealth of verified data available out there which negates people who come out with anecdotal doom stuff like yourself ( eg saw a man with no mask on in Tesco Dundrum = the spike in cases is due to people not wearing masks).
Mask use in supermarkets was less than 10% for April May June and most of July and the number of cases declined continually every week during that timeframe so how you can now blame lack of masks has no basis.
Here’s the graph showing the continuous drop in cases since April .. I think most people would go with the WHO data over your own anecdotal stories.
@Colm Malone: Wrong ~~
@Colm Malone: we have to take a very serious attitude to the numbers..whatever the origin of clusters etc. We must remember It all started with 1 unaware, infected person and snowballed. Each cluster and contacts need immediate testing and lockdown.
Clear second wave on the way if we dont tighten the belt..
@Munster1: and I doubt we’d be seeing all this now if they waited a little longer in stepping out of lockdown. We were almost there, but everytime the government announces another phase of reopening people just let loose.
@Munster1: we can’t do much more with face masks and everything. It just goes to show nothing is going to stop this virus.
@John brett: there is still a significant noticibale number not wearing face masks – mostly men I would say. Also not many wearing masks while outside, that could be brought in.
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: why?
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: Masks outside? Ah will you give over. It’s been proven that you’re at least 19 times less likely to contract the virus in an outdoor setting so if you just keep your distance it’s nearly impossible to catch it outdoors. But you want to actually deprive yourself of fresh air? Unbelievable
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: absolute tool…sorry
@Munster1: Was that a half time team talk to the Under 15s?
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: It should be required outdoors, especially if the numbers continue to climb and people want to avoid lockdown. Especially where social distancing is not possible. Eg. busy bus stops, city centres etc. Just because you are outside, does not mean that you cannot catch it.
Yikes. Open the pubs?
That was a shock. RIP the person who sadly passed away. 85 cases in one day is massive and I’d like to know what the cause was e.g. travel, clusters in workplaces, community?
@Shelley Keary: I have to agree. Had to read the number twice.
@Shelley Keary: Work place nearly alone from one job
@Shelley Keary: cluster in a factory 26 cases
@Shelley Keary: fairly detailed breakdown given with these cases, factory cluster connected to a direct provision cluster, many family/extended family clusters too
@Shelley Keary: house parties all over the country
Time for regional lockdowns
@Cliodhna: that won’t work italy tried it people just moved to areas not locked down
@bmul: I wouldn’t be able to do that as I only have one house :(
@Cliodhna: Agree. Only 16 cases in Dublin. Lockdown the rest of the country
@John Waters: Amazing, first day in god knows how long that another county has higher newly confirmed than Dublin, and they are already shouting to close the rest of the country down! Does Kildare not border Dublin? I wonder how many commute from Kildare and Laois. Maybe the cases in those counties could have been avoided if we shut down Dublin years ago
@Cliodhna: One day of 85 cases…take a chill pill jeez
Very worrying numbers. Pubs can’t open!!!
@Jonnie Marre: nonsense
@Jonnie Marre: no cases related to pubs/restaurants since they reopened….but go on….blame the pubs
@Jonnie Marre: Pubs aren’t responsible for these numbers.
@Jonnie Marre: nothing to do with pubs irresponsible workers going to work sick oviously
@Aonghus O Flaherty: it’s not the pubs it’s the some of the clienteles behavior after a couple of pints.
@Diarmuid Hehir: How so? Do people generally have a few pints and then go to work in the factory? 18 in a cluster from a factory in Kildare, were they all on the beer before work?
@JedBartlett: maybe they maintained social distance at work, and went for a bite to eat afterwards, few pints and the rest is history….you mean to tell me none of you go for a few pints after work with your workmates? Ok maybe not if you work in a meat processing plant, but plenty others do.
@Diarmuid Hehir: again…..above comment
@Joe_X: you’re reaching there Joe. Why so determined to blame pubs?
Very worrying…
@Brian Lawlor: is it? Why are we again not being told where exactly these cases have come from?
@Dave Phelan: look at the covid app each day.
.
@Mark O’Donohoe: information is too vague to be of any use at all. Community transmission? Where exactly, specific family group, wedding party , sporting training, markets, shops. Too vague
@Dave Phelan: They did a factory in Kildare and a direct provision centre which they say were linked
Both closed.
@Dave Phelan: you can takeca look at the covid dashboard by electoral area or the interactive map on rte.ie. I just take a note of the previous total for my area and check every so often.
@Dave Phelan: George Lee just told us. 26 Kildare 18 Dublin and 11 Clare plus others
@Dave Phelan: If only there was an article accompanying the comments that would tell us where exactly the cases have come from.
@Dave Phelan: it’s in the article (and everywhere else) ffs!
@Tom Malone: That info was only given a few minutes ago. The article when first published had minimal info.
@Marie McG: and these articles when first published have ALWAYS had minimal info until further updated, and have ALWAYS been tagged with the line “More to follow” in italics every single day since March. People have no patience and no intelligence.
@Dave Phelan: it’s in the article
At least the government are getting a 6 week break, god love them.
@HIMSELF: Probably getting to one of the Green List countries to wait ’til it’s over. They don’t fear social welfare officers
Second wave here we come. :(
@LangerDan: this still 1st wave 2nd wave will come in autumn
@artur filip: this virus has proven so far not to be seasonal so it will be one long “first wave”.
@artur filip: autumn starts in 2 days
@dublinguide.ie: that old chestnut. No it doesn’t.
@dublinguide.ie: According to Mayan calendar?
there was always going to be a rise in cases as we open up more, still no need for panic at all.
@Jonny: so long as the hospitalisation numbers remain low, that’s the main thing, positives are bound to rise with reopening, as you say. And we need an economy, so no more calls for a hard lockdown.
@Jonny: You still going for pints on the 11th??
@Jonny: bang on
@Simon Connolly: absolutely pal
@Jonny: Why not? Please share your expertise.
Where are these cases in Ireland?
@Lynne: they will need to start providing that information & do regional lockdowns to prevent a 2nd wave.
Though I feel we will inevitably get a 2nd wave of sorts during the winter, and we should enjoy our low covid19 status now while it lasts.
@Lynne: What?
@Lynne: We will not be told this information, we are kept in the dark as to useful and informative facts which might inform us or lead to individuals discussing covid policy , no better to just throw out the numbers, fear factor.
@Lynne: Kildare, Dublin and I think Carlow the 6 news said
@John Murphy: Dublin would be permanently locked down in that case.
@Lynne: 26 cases in Kildare.
18 in Dublin.
11 in Clare.
9 in Laois.
7 in Limerick.
4 in Meath.
7 in other counties.
(Source: Richard Chambers – Virgin Media)
@Lynne: 18 in dublin
@Ben Moore: she said where are these cases in Ireland. What don’t you understand?
@John Murphy: They wont do that as Dublin is likely the problem and they will not lock down Dublin only
@Lynne: This info is available on gov.ie released twice a week I think. Stop relying on the journal for everything.
@John Murphy
@ Honeybee
@Ryan Kelly: source was the CMO live on the news
@Mattress Dick: And for those of us who didn’t watch the CMO on the news, there are other sources of information online…..
@Aaron O’Leary: 18 out of 85 cases in Dublin mate.
@John Murphy: the government provides the numbers per county on gov.ie in detail and the article does the same.
@Honeybee: except we were told. Stop embarrassing yourself.
@Hot Rod Hearse: we would need more accurate information than county level. But in reality we should all be using the covid app so we wouldn’t need to know the finer details in order to know our exposure risk.
Jesus thats the highest its been in ages, where are these cases coming from??
@Veronica: people not wearing masks, shops reopening, pubs(yes, they are operating as pubs with a small requirement of buying a meal. Haven’t seen any kick anyone out after 90 minutes in Dublin) reopening, people getting complacent and the government not enforcing/encouraging work from home for people who can.
@Veronica: probably backdated or re examined cases
@Veronica: we are not being told! Let’s start poking fingers and blaming everyone. That seems to be the policy being adopted. Scared the population and have them looking over their shoulders . Why?
@Sean: Did you not see anyone being kicked out after 90 mins because you were still there beyond your 90 mins?
@Colm Malone: yeah, that will be it.
@Dave Phelan: Looking over their shoulders because they dont want to get poked by fingers, i suspect.
@Chris Linehan: no because I’ve friends who are posting about it because they’re also breaking the rules. Plenty of spots in Dublin with no restrictions. I’ve to take quarantine seriously due to having a family member recently out of ICU due to non covid health issues.
@Sean: not being enforced in hotels either, achef told me only 50 allowed for bfast but 200 sitting
@Sean: it’s 105 minutes and any where I have been they have asked people to leave after the allowed time.
@Sean: They were in factory environs direct provision centres which are linked. A building site and close contacts to a family who had a member test positive a few weeks ago. Its not Armageddon yet.
@Chris Linehan: You seem delighted you sad person.
Highlight of your week.
Its a mere recalculation of unreported cases.
Staying at home is easy for you I’d say, being a lo8er with no friends.
Blame the government
@Chris Linehan: Sean’s a bit like mark Malone (soundmigration) standing outside pubs with his clipboard.
@Bain triail aisti: Well that escalated quickly.
@Veronica: maybe read the article you’re commenting on… It gives a very detailed breakdown of exactly the information you are asking for.
@Bain triail aisti: Intelligent and articulate comment right there.
@Sean: nothing whatsoever to do with this. Cluster in a pet food factory in Kildare and in direct provision centre both are linked. Cluster in a building site and another within a family group.
@Bain triail aisti: Anger issues there mate?
Scaremongering numbers or real numbers doctors didn’t know what coronavirus was in march are they sure now
@Richard Doherty: pretty sure they have a fairly good idea by now.
@Richard Doherty: What?
@Richard Doherty: going to go out on a limb here Richard and suggest that they know a lot more than you and aren’t as reliant on speculation as you appear to be.
@Richard Doherty: please stay away from your keyboard, that’s a good lad.
@Joe Vlogs: absolutely not … they haven’t a clue … silly comment
@Joe Vlogs: its hse you got trust in them ?
@LadyBMW: ah, thanks for letting me know. I somehow thought now that, since they have had the coronavirus spike structure mapped since February, and are therefore able to identify it pretty readily, that that would mean they actually knew. Grateful for the clarification.
@Richard Doherty: yeah, I was sort of more likely to trust the NPHET seeing as they have, you know, the actual data about cases etc. But I’m changing my mind. I think you seem to know a lot more. I’ll probably just follow your advice then. Screw health professionals, what would they know.
This is not good.
Thank jasus going to france on Saturday.
@Keith McAvinue: if numbers continue like this, it will be added to the Green List too
@Keith McAvinue:Stay there
Drove past the aviva at 10am and there was a queue of at least 20 cars waiting to go in for testing.
Frightening.
@Fabio Dillon: Just past by earlier around 3pm, must have been about 30 cars or so.
@Kieron Keenan: are they testing cars now
@Paul Rooney: that’s the corollavirus you’re thinking of..
OPEN THE PUBS
Oh, dress it up how you want. I like to be optimistic as possible, but we have certainly changed trajectory.
@The Guy is Here: yes, we had changed directory, now we’re back on an upwards trend.
Somethings not clicking here. 14 cases yesterday and 85 today? Let’s wait to see if this figure is cumulative over a period of time.
@Dermot Quinn: why do we have to wait. They had a press release and could not give the information then. It simply has to be scare tactics!
@Dermot Quinn: the article says half of the cases are associated with two outbreaks so 42/43 people.
What it doesn’t say directly is that the two outbreaks were in a pet food factory in Naas and a Direct Provision centre where some of the factory workers lived.
It also says approx 40% of the positives are because of contact with a confirmed case so that’s 34 of the cases.
Altogether then that is 76 (42 + 34) of the cases that are a indirect result of the outbreak in the meat factory.
Nothing to do with the lack of masks in shops that some is banging on about above.
@Dave Phelan: They did give all the details. Did you actually watch it.
@Anna: aaah come on, don’t come here with your facts and your logic. People only want sensation. You’re being way too rational.
@Anna: Wrong again. It does have something to do with masks in shops, when any of those factory / direct provision infected, decide to go to a shop. You are living in lala land as usual.
Comments section going to be busy tonight..
@Alan: your spot on Alan,only 89 comments last night over 300 tonight,they are all out..
Still only 6 people in hospital. 26 cases in a factory cluster in Kildare. Very localised restrictions should be enough to deal with these sort of figures if they continue to increase.
Condolences to the family and friends of the deceased . Rest in peace.
Portugal here I come !
@Dave: if numbers continue like this, it will be added to the Green List too. Their numbers have been going down.
Hopefully some past cases being accounted for with that number
Just before a bank holiday – there’s a shock ! Maybe I’m too cynical!
@Niall Hickey-Horan: maybe you’re not! Good point!
@Niall Hickey-Horan: yes you are
Let’s just keep calm. Hopefully, it may just be a daily spike. There were a few spikes even when we were getting the single figures/ low teens a few weeks back. Just keep going as we were all along, keeping our hands clean, keep the masks on as needed and keep up the social distancing as much as we can, and we will see what rest of the week brings.
@Joe_X: aw can u give me positive pep talks .daily! I like your outlook
@Lisa Quinn: as I said, we will see what rest of the week brings. Might come back down tomorrow, but it may shut up the anti-maskers and the people who call those of us being cautious “doom n gloomers” and “scared” for a bit.
@Joe_X: Then you have those that will think it is all a government conspiracy and the figures are fabricated and so on
@Joe_X: ugh! Dopes. They are coming out of factories and building sites too.40% are close contacts. so it does also mean people are coming forward to b tested.
@Lisa Quinn: True, but I’m wondering, how many these newly confirmed cases got notifications via the app. Just wondering if it is doing it’s job. The only notification I’ve had from it is that it had done a digital handshake with 29 other phones in the last 14 days
@Joe_X: Agree with the sentiment. But each spike is higher than the last, which is worrying.
@anything anything: True. Also worrying is that the low end and high end figures is rising over time. But it was such a big jump from yesterday that I’m hoping that this is just a proper spike,. We have gotten used to low Sundays and Mondays and spikey Tuesdays…a trend that we have gotten used to. To me the only proper figures are Wednesday to Saturday so I’m hoping that it is only a proper spike, if we get simaler tomorrow…well that’s a different story.
@Joe_X: Hopefully you are right, but the trend is going in the wrong direction. Just because we have less than 85 tomorrow but more than, say 30, is not a good thing either.
Sorry now you can’t give a figure of that high spike without explanation are there some from a few dsys back has there been an outbreak cluster somewhere can we localise a lovkdown to contain it. Or is it simply the fact they are looking for reasons to extend moving into phase 5. A sweeping statement with no clarity smells of scare mongering by a gov that has no idea how to handle the reopening of the country
@Michael Fleming: the article actually gives a very decent explanation… Did you read the article before commenting???
@Michael Fleming: they did give a breakdown factory in Kildare, direct provision centers, small number in construction industry and 4 clusters in private house holds
Big deal! High today, and then low tomorrow. It’s inevitable that this was going to happen as the restrictions are relaxed.
Ronan Glynn said himself now is not the time for kneejerk reactions, doom merchants take note!!!
A lot of people are not getting tested, real figure even higher
Jesus
Meat factories again. Hardly surprising given the extreme violence perpetrated within. Destroying the environment and the population.
@Stephen O’Neill: what drugs are you on?
@barry moore: haha
@Stephen O’Neill: It might be in your chips ~ not the chipper kind !
I’m just here to see what Jonny has to say.. Again.. A covid article isn’t complete without his mantra.
@Togs: the doom merchants will be only delighted
@Togs: his medical expertise will probably be needed elsewhere.
@Diarmuid Hehir: bit like yourself pal your no doubt an expert too eh
@Jonny: Have you revised your opinions on international holiday travel, or is that still all nothing but more nonsense from the merchants of doooooom?
@ruairi: no I haven’t whatsoever were you not actually listening to the briefing, a reduction in cases linked to travel.. So yeah completely nonsense from the merchants of doom
@Jonny: “the government are drip feeding you what they want you to hear and are lying to you” – Jonny a few days ago.
You also admitted the situation in some destination countries was getting bad, but you’ve now discarded that I see.
@ruairi: in some countries not all….
@Jonny: you need to trade mark that phrase….you use it so often you may as well try make a few bob from it before someone else does.
@Jonny: I don’t know about everyone else but I don’t even read the articles anymore jonny.. I scroll straight to you telling me and the rest of us not to panic.. The relief is unreal.. God knows the day you comment saying “here comes the second wave” we’ll truly be fkt…
Most cases are from a meat processing factory . This is happening all over Europe and it’s not because people are not careful . It happens due to whatever circumstances are ideal for the virus to spread more , low temperatures and possibly using the same toilets are possible factors . The numbers are small and contained . Hopefully all will recover quickly & fully . Many are probably asymptomatic judging by the trend elsewhere.
This is what virus do, it’s nobody’s fault . The virus is contained and clusters identified and that’s all we can do. They’ll go up to higher numbers and come down . Trends show hospitalisation & deaths are not proportional to high cases this summer. That’s good.
I really wish the acting medical officer , nphet politicians & us stopped blaming people.
@Isabel Oliveira: why on earth are you on here making rational, factual and informative statements? That won’t do. You have to spread fear/misinformation and play the blame game instead.
@Isabel Oliveira: Exactly Isabel..well said. We get one spike and everyone panics!
Better get my haircut tomorrow then so
oPeN tHe PuBS
Ironically if we averaged these numbers over the next 14 days, our cases/100,000 would go up to approximately 24/100,000, so our green list would open up to the UK, Italy, Germany, France, Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Croatia, Hungry, Greece, Slovakia, Slovenia, Lithuania, Estonia, Iceland, Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Liechtenstein.
Yet it still wouldn’t include the Canary Islands, one of the most covid free places in Europe right.
I’m not suggesting that it would be a good thing to see an increase in cases, but it yet again shows how farcical the green list currently is.
Here we go. The amount of selfish people out there not bothering with masks in shops and thinking that they are immortal.
@Corinne Wilson Muller: it is actually clusters in factories and construction sites… But don’t bother reading the article, just go wagging your finger and blaming your fellow citizens
@Corinne Wilson Muller: Here come the mask shamers. Its tantamount to bullying should be ashamed of yourself. Cases started coming long before people were asked to wear masks no correlation between the two.
@Hot Rod Hearse: Is business good for your corpse !
Cluster cluster cluster…. Boom doubt the schools will reopen if this keeps up
Ah the old bank holiday special
@jackamy: Keep people scared shitless for the bank holiday
@Roibeard Ó Riain: saving up a few all week for the big Thursday briefing!!
It’s not a sweeping statement. The article actually provides a very good breakdown of exactly where the clusters emerged. Factories, construction sites are mentioned. But 95% of people who commented on here didn’t actually bother to read the article. The real pandemic is misinformation and people not bothering to read things properly.
Most of those new cases in Dublin. Well done lads.
@Andrew Keane: kildare actually you clearly are not watching this live
@Andrew Keane: need to keep the Dubs in Dublin.
@Andrew Keane: ahhh another anti dub
@Andrew Keane: nope kildare
@Diarmuid Hehir: and the culchies in the bog
@sally reid: are you kidding? Dublin has 48% of the cases. There are a lot of counties that haven’t had a new case in over a month.
@Jonny: watch it live? No thanks. I have a life.
@Droyal: my mistake
@Andrew Keane: actually, 26 in Kildare, 18 in Dublin
I think they some way invent these numbers as they go along.
@Michael Maher: absolutely… pure nonsense knew they’d pull this farce juat as the country was officially opening.. up
Goes to show all the hype around masks lol
@Wiggy Wigsters Fitness: this lads a non believer too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/us/politics/louie-gohmert-positive-coronavirus-mask.html
She’s on the rise second wave currently spreading across Europe
Numbers are now doubling every week. And the govt derelction of duty! Off on holliers.
@Eileen O’Sullivan: are the seiners staying in the Dail working.
Fair play to them they’ll get rid of it.
Factory cluster in Dog food factory in Naas. Several of them hospitalised. Far from over yet.
Lord help us
Cases don’t matter, it’s number of deaths and numbers hospitalized.
In fact, anyone who has remained healthily cynical about this might suspect there isn’t even a real pandemic in Ireland.
I’ve checked everything in the article and it stands up to scrutiny.
You’re being led down a path of mandatory vaccinations…. and totalitarianism.
Do I really sound that crazy?
Look believe what you choose but the facts are this is a terrific hoax
@Laurel Didn’t: How’s that tinfoil hat of yours fitting? You’re obviously one of the selfish ones who doesn’t wear a mask.
@Marie McG: Stop with the mask shaming its just another form of bullying.
@Marie McG: marie I wish this was a tinfoil hat thing but it’s not. Tbh the fact that you jump on the opportunity to attack me – rather than deeply considering the points I have made and attempting to determine if they’re wrong – says it all. I am one of the people who deeply researched the topic of mask wearing. And the science points to it not working. It’s not my opinion Marie, it’s science. Luke O’Neill and Tony Fauci have both been recorded claiming masks do not work, then both changed their tune. The fact that I have decided to research the topic to decide for myself probably says a lot about your willingness to employ your mental faculties. Anyway, enjoy the fear you live in. I am enjoying the benefits of perspective. I am not saying SARS-Cov-2 doesn’t exist, I’m saying that through the lens of perspective it is not something that requires the public health measures that have been imposed. Tbh, even calling them public health measures is insulting to the Irish people.
@Marie McG: You know, there’s a multitude of reasons both physical health and mental health for someone not wearing a mask, maybe consider that before accusing people of being selfish, also masks in shops are only required if there isn’t a protective screen between the customer and staff member on the till
@Laurel Didn’t: yes you sound crazy….very very crazy
@Joe_X: I know! That’s what’s crazy about this. Look into it Joe.
@Marie McG: Put a sock in it about masks. Cases went really low without them. They spread more germs than do good. The majority wear them and use them very poorly and could increase the spread.
@Laurel Didn’t: Goodluck Dunderhead !
@JP Pilibin: look into it my friend.
Ahaaa.. knew they’d pull something like this juat as the country is officially fully opening up …
Need to enforce face masks for workers more so than shoppers. People are just going about their business when shopping and not spending time in close contact with anyone. Most of these cases are coming from workplaces where people are spending a long time in close contact with others. People need to stop going on so much about wearing masks in shops.
@Carryyourowncanou: Exactly the majority of people go to the shop for two minutes and are gone out with no close contact. You have to be in the vicinity of an infected person for 15 minutes and within 2 metres to be at high risk. That does not happen in a shop.
Big numbers today, there must be a Bank Holiday Weekend coming so.
Bollocks anyway
@Lisa Quinn: it’s only one daily spike..
Civilians back inside the gaff
14 cases 50 comments
85 cases 250 comments
The Journal misery hole is alive n kicking
Lockdown Part II coming soon…
@Dylan C: that can’t happen again. There’s no way that the country can go into a second lockdown, the economy couldn’t take it, nor the the people of Ireland! We’ll just have to manage as best we can if numbers continue to go up, and we are more prepared for it this time around.
@Freda Hanratty: Exactly we are going to have to live along side it. Keep social distancing and hand washing. Economy can’t be closed down again the country would implode. We have more of an understanding of it now
@Freda Hanratty: I don’t thik we will see a nation wide lockdown, but regional ones are a possibility, or a roll back of phases concerning distance.
As Donald would say, ‘if you test more people you’re going to get more cases’
I’m Irish and living in Greece.
We have over double the population of Ireland and 65 cases today. It’s simply down to attitudes and compliance..end of!
I was in M and S in Dundrum last week, the first time in months. I was wearing a mask so was astonished to see three people behind me in the foodhall checkout not wearing one. I asked them where their masks were and I got in response ‘I dont have one and we were not stopped coming into the store’ so I asked to talk to the manager. He explained that they cannot enforce mask wearing. I was just dumbfounded.
@Linda Oreilly: so you unnecessarily engaged with 4 ppl in the shop, if you’re not more careful you’ll be at risk of spreading a virus
@Linda Oreilly: Are you actually for real. People have a choice. You think masks are going to stop this virus lol. People just re-use masks that aren’t even clean while touching there face even more. It will spread germs more not help. So people can choose so its absolutely none of your business!
”With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport.”
- Anders Tegnell, State Epidemiologist.
“From a medical point of view, there is no evidence of a medical effect of wearing face masks, so we decided not to impose a national obligation,” said Dutch Medical Care Minister Tamara van Ark late Wednesday, after a meeting with health experts and mayors.
Open the airports and let the dubs and lillywhites piss off till Christmas.
Two deaths were denotified. They should be telling this.
@Dr Pablo Rojas Coppari: they did tell us
@Rachael Pender: nowhere to be seen in this article. as usual.
@Dr Pablo Rojas Coppari: 2 cases denotified does not mean there are 2 less today. It means that since the last denotification, they have found 2 more cases of 1 person 2 tests, but it can be from anytime since this all started. I put this down to hospital transfers.
@Joe_X: in this case it relates to death. It means the cause of death was wrongly attributed to Covid. It happens more often than we are told. When it comes to cases denotification it is important they are communicated. It is part of the bigger picture. Media should report on number of new cases, number of deaths and number of denotifications. Systematically.
@Dr Pablo Rojas Coppari: the government site does show the denotifcation numbers as does worldometer, but people think that they can just subtract the numbers of denotifications from the daily figure and that then is the true figure, of both deaths and newly confirmed, which is not the case.
234 comments, a reaction of this yesterday, unreal
@Jonny: yeah an extreme over reaction Jonny from the usual tools.
The report says the person died with covid 19 not from covid 19…
Was on the train during the week to Carrick on Shannon, 100 % masks being worn .
Maintain human control. Genius
Do what they do in Spain , Compulsory. if you not wearing it, nick nick or tell them to leave the shop.
Time to have some rules to much chat chat .
Cmon c’mon what backlog is this now
Has everyone of ye gone mad. The meat factories are the problem. Close them all down.
Who care
@Mislav Smok: Your parents/grandparents will if they get it.
@Mislav Smok: are you for real.?
@UltraToons -Kingsley-: if catch influenza still is bad , how many people die in all world from Covid??? But real number not what is media put real number i want. Strong your immunity and that’s it. What you think if every year we put on public how many people is effected with season influenzas this is hundred million and never have in paper have many people is die, we never know we are destroyed all economies in world , politican want make new world order with mainstream media. Every day people in Africa die because children don’t have put nothing in mouth, that is real virus not Covid.
Can we have a metric for no. of new cases that are visitors/returnees to the country ….and broken down say by >2 weeks, 2-4 weeks,<4 weeks in country as categories?
Hopefully this is a once off spike but I have a feeling it isn’t, the people doubting the impact of this virus need to take notice, especially in the pubs, we do not want to end up like the USA
I’m Irish and living in Greece.
We have over double the population of Ireland and 65 cases today. It’s down to attitudes and compliance..end of!
@Frankie Beats: Yesterday Greece had 50 and Ireland 12.
@Bain triail aisti: yesterday we had 14, and 1 denotification. That does not mean we had 13 yesterday. It means that we had 1 case of 1 person, 2 positive tests that could have been from any time since this started. Yesterday’s 14 still stands.
I am in Leixlip. Some people here are saying that the 26 Kildare cases are in INTEL.
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: actually it’s more likely not INTEL but a pet food factory in Naas
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: Chinese whispers !
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: I don’t understand how meat processing plants and animal food factories have such susceptibility to the virus – I would have thought that the wearing of PPE would have been mandatory for the employees safety even before the virus. Feels like there’s an underlying cause that hasn’t been explained – possibly low wage forcing staff to live in cramped conditions with many people all travelling to different jobs, possibly in different counties.
@Gordon Walsh: they work elbow to elbow. The line only stops at break times 15min and 30min they all go on break at the same. All in changing rooms at same time. Impossible to keep workers apart
@Dónal Mac Cormaic:
Irish Dog Foods , Naas . Factory closed immediately.
@Gordon Walsh: the living conditions of many of the workers are most likely a big contributor but meat factories operate at low temperatures which suits the virus and plenty of water splashed around as well.
@barry moore: add to that list the low temperatures, no natural light and the lumps of meat in front of them that they all handle…
@Dónal Mac Cormaic: The clean rooms are now unclean in Intel ~~
There’s a certain radio “show” host who’s an absolute disgrace with the things he’s promoting on face masks etc at the moment.
Im all for free speech but he is pushing into encouraging prole to take serious chances with their health. (all for ratings)
Wth…
Yeah put panic vaccine is ready yeah people start panic again like in March
#lockdownnow
Another cluster in a meat processing pĺant!
ñNo more meat for me for the moment.
Sort out the hoards of tourists and US soldiers passing through our airports. As well as folk from NI. And non EU citizens. We def should follow the P rime minister of New Zealand.. . Shes got it sussed. Hard borders protect Irish citizens.
Where can you find the R rate chart for trending info?
@l: it’s not much use when cases are this low but you can get the 7 day average for the last 14 days, divide 2nd number by 1st number
All the information you are looking for is given in the article in detail.
I’m lrish and living in Greece.
We have over double the population of Ireland and 65 cases today. It’s down to attitudes and compliance..end of!
A nation gripped by fear. Does anyone look at the science? 99.97% of don’t have anything to worry about. Although, people wearing masks are destroying their immune systems and making themselves more susceptible.
Its coming back quicker than the rain in July ~~ May the greedy little f@ckers who want to open things up for pure profit ~ Think again ~ A healthy nation is a wealthy nation !
It is a very worrying number, I don’t think it is a good idea to open school in August
all clusters but they still need to make mask mandatory
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