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TWO SOUP RUNS for the homeless in Dublin city say they might be forced to close after inspections from the HSE.
The co-founders of the two voluntary soup runs – Denise Carroll from the Homeless Street Café and Glenda Harrington from Friends Helping Friends – told The Journal that they both had been visited by the HSE’s environmental health section in recent weeks.
They were subsequently told by letter from that HSE department that an inspection regarding compliance with food safety legislation found the outcome was “unsatisfactory significant” [sic].
Both were told that the non compliance must be rectified before 27 July 2021, on which a follow-up inspection of the soup runs will take place. The letter from the HSE said that failure to comply “may result in formal enforcement action being initiated by the HSE”.
It’s understood that other soup runs who are operated by charities have also been contacted on this issue.
‘We are not a food business’
However, Carroll and Harrington both said that they could not afford to undertake all the steps outlined by the HSE in the letter and feared they might have to shut down.
They said they were not food businesses (as they were described by the HSE), or charities, but were voluntary soup runs aiming to show kindness to homeless people in the capital.
“Our point is we are not a food business,” Carroll said of the Homeless Street Café. “We are making no profit, we have no managers, no premises. Even though we’re called a ‘street cafe’ we’re just a table on the side of the street and we have volunteers who give us food to share.” Alongside food such as sandwiches and cake, they also distribute tents and sleeping bags.
She said most if not all of her volunteers are double vaccinated. The food is usually prepared by volunteers in Ratoath and Celbridge, and brought by van in cool boxes and hot boxes by Carroll.
Homeless Street Café was set up five years ago, after Carroll was inspired by seeing a group on Facebook describing how it distributed sandwiches to the homeless.
“I said I will make sandwiches – I was in a position of comfort, where I didn’t realise how many people are in food poverty around us, whether homeless or living in flats or hostels. There is a serious amount of people queuing for this food.”
She and her mother and some other volunteers served 70 people on the first night and she said that these days they regularly serve up to 300 people. Friends Helping Friends serves a similar amount of people on its soup run. Homeless Street Café runs one night a week, while Friends Helping Friends runs two nights a week.
During the height of the coronavirus restrictions, the Homeless Street Café distributed food by trolley so as not to encourage a crowd to gather, but it is now back to its usual set-up.
Both Harrington and Carroll say they understand the importance of food safety regulation, but are now pleading with the HSE for some leniency based on their specific circumstances – that they are run by volunteers and do not make money.
“This is going to block people from helping,” said Carroll. “I have a group of pensioners who make sandwiches using money from their own pension. This is just relying on people’s good nature – we are no big corporation.”
She said that the fact they serve hundreds of people indicates the need that is there for their soup run. “No one is going to queue on Grafton St for a bowl of stew or a piece of cake if they don’t have a need,” she said. “I understand and welcome any help at all – if the environmental section of the HSE came along and said ‘here are a few tips’, I would welcome that.”
Compliance letter
In its letter to the soup runs the HSE indicated a number of things that need to be carried out to bring them in compliance with food safety legislation.
One of these is monitoring the temperature of food, which both women said they would be able to carry out (they also store the food in appropriate ways depending on whether it is cold or hot, they said).
The HSE also said that “your food business is not registered with the official agency”. Both women dispute that their soup runs are food businesses.
The HSE said that “‘food business’ means any undertaking, whether for profit or not, whether public or private, carrying out any of the activities related to any stage of production, processing and distribution of food”.
Another HSE concern was that “not all food workers were adequately trained”, and it requires that the soup runs “ensure all food handlers are supervised and trained in food hygiene matters commensurate with their work activities”.
“Basically they are looking for an industrial kitchen and professional catering person,” said Carroll, who co-operates the soup run in a voluntary capacity around her own job as a nurse.
The HSE also said that at the time of inspection there was no information on the identity of the person who supplied the food, so the soup runs should include this.
A further concern was the absence of handwashing facilities with cold and hot water. If food is pre-packaged, then hand sanitiser will suffice, said the HSE.
Carroll said that they use gloves and sanitiser, but she wasn’t sure how she would be able to provide handwashing facilities at the side of the street. Harrington hoped to be able to organise sinks for handwashing.
The HSE also asked the soup runs to provide written allergen information on the food.
Both Carroll and Harrington were advised to purchase a ‘Safe Catering Pack’ from the Food Safety Authority of Ireland (FSAI), which they said they were going to do.
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“If they could meet us there in the middle somewhere we are more than happy to improve our service any way we can, but what they are proposing will close it,” said Carroll.
Brian McLoughlin from Inner City Helping Homeless (ICHH) said that the soup runs “are doing fantastic work out there and doing it on a voluntary basis”. He said the ICHH believes a better solution would be for the DRHE (Dublin Regional Homeless Executive) and HSE to “work with them and to help them keep doing what they are doing”.
“Our concern is, what alternative is put in place for people to be fed if they have to close? A lot of the gaps can be because the day services that provide food are closed in the evening, and people in emergency accommodation might not be able to get into them.”
‘It would be tragic to take it away’
Both women said they had built relationships with homeless people through their work, and had been told that the soup runs helped change people’s lives.
Carroll said: “On one side there’s the uncomfortable feeling we do have a lot of poverty around us, we have kids and elderly in poverty. On the other hand [this soup run shows we have a] beautiful outpouring of care. I think it would be tragic to take it away.”
O’Carroll said the changes recommended by the HSE would cost money she doesn’t have, and that she is not able to become a charity as it would take up a huge amount of time and money.
“We wanted to keep it so simple – no money, just kindness. Everything they are saying involves money,” she said.
Harrington said that she was told all the volunteers who supply food to her soup run would have to have their kitchens inspected:
“Obviously they are not going to just let people come in and assess their house. They’re nearly getting penalised for being kind and wanting to help. We are not opposed to regulation, we are happy enough – we know they are there for a reason. They are there to keep people safe, but they are just unrealistic for us. They want me to rent a fully equipped HACCP-certified kitchen to store equipment and cook there.”
She also raised the issue of funding the rental of appropriate kitchens: “We are completely unfunded. I’m thinking, if I am taking money from donations is that not wrong? It’s not supposed to be for funding a kitchen. I don’t take cash ever, because I’m not a registered charity.”
Friends Helping Friends has been running for four years. “We’re so upset,” said Harrington. “It’s not possible to do what they’re asking us to do. If the people that were supposed to look after the homeless did their job, we wouldn’t be out there two nights a week. I am devastated for the people that come to my soup run.”
Harrington said some of the homeless people they serve are “genuinely scared, worried – for a lot of people the food is important, the toiletries are important, but for a lot of people it’s the only compassion they get.”
Harrington is determined to continue serving people on the soup run. “I can’t see myself saying to 300 people on the street – ‘right lads, off you pop, no dinner’. I hope it doesn’t come to that.”
The HSE said in a statement that “the primary responsibility of the HSE Environmental Health Service is the protection of public health”.
The HSE Environmental Health Service works under a Service Contract for the Food Safety Authority of Ireland to ensure the relevant food legislation is applied as necessary. All food businesses must comply with the requirements of food law that is relevant to the business they operate.
It said that Regulation (EC) No. 852 of 2004 sets out the hygiene rules for all food businesses, such as structure, equipment, food waste, water supply, personal hygiene, heat treatment and training requirements, in addition to provisions applicable to the wrapping and packaging of food.
“Under this Regulation there is also a requirement to develop a food safety management system based on HACCP principles which identifies and controls the hazards that are relevant to the food business in question,” said the HSE.
“Some businesses develop their own in-house food safety management system while others use recognised guides such as the FSAI Safe Catering Pack as a practical and easy to use food safety management system.”
These regulations apply minimum food safety standards to all food businesses, including the voluntary sector, said the HSE.
Regarding the frequency of inspection of food businesses, it said this is based on the risk to public health, with risk being assessed on a number of criteria including the types of foods being produced, processed and distributed, and the vulnerability of the consumers. Food business operators are required by law to notify the HSE of their intention to carry on a food business.
The Environmental Health Service” endeavours to work with food business operators to encourage an understanding of the legal requirements and to support compliance with the minimum food safety standards regarding structure, operation, safety management systems and staff training and to ensure compliance with food law where non-compliances are found upon inspection”.
Added the HSE:
It is important to note that persons accessing homeless services are among the most vulnerable in our community and may be immunocompromised, therefore the risk of serious illness as a result of food borne infection needs to be kept in mind.
Food services
In September of last year, a UCD report commissioned by the Dublin Regional Homeless Executive (DRHE) found that additional on-street food services for homeless people “are not required”, and recommended that such services be regulated.
It found that recent years have seen a “dramatic expansion” in on-street, voluntary food services which are unconnected to DRHE-funded day services.
The review recommended that DRHE should work with the Food Safety Authority of Ireland and the HSE to devise a strategy to manage the growth in on-street provision of food to homeless people by volunteers.
At the time, Inner City Helping Homeless spokesperson and Dublin City Councillor Anthony Flynn said it was an issue that needed to be addressed but that demand for on-street food services had risen in recent years.
“Many services who operate voluntary soup kitchens within the city are not only providing for the homeless community but also for the thousands of people who are living in food poverty across the city,” he said.
“The reality is that these on-street soup kitchens are merely a sticking plaster for a major societal problem, food poverty, as there are 700,000 people, including shockingly 200,000 children, living with food poverty in Ireland.”
- Additional reporting Cónal Thomas
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@Conor Kehoe: Helen is living in the realms of fantasy. It’s every day now this type of crime is been reported. Cork is as bad. It’s no wonder people don’t want to be guards with the level of violence out there and been directed at them also. What do you do with a 14 year old who can level this type of violence at someone. There is no deterent. Treat them as adults. Can’t do that because the “ahh sure god luv” us bleeding hearts will be on your case. It’s becoming lawless out there and unless something is done soon I think it will be only a matter of time before we won’t even have a guard on our streets.
@Conor Kehoe: Helen said Dublin was safe as any city in Mexico or Brazil. It’s normal in a Mexican city for cartels to string folk up from bridges. Some comparison in all fairness to her.
@Conor Kehoe: possibly one of the rare occasions where a minister has walked the streets when in office. Everything is safer behind the garda driver of your car. I wonder if the mean streets of county meath are as under resourced as dublin
Problem here is to many bleeding hearts and no accountability. The Guards hand are tied behind there back as old school Guards would have dealt with these thugs completely different (Lugs Brannigan) if a Guards step out of line it all over social media and group climbing out of the woodwork condemning there action demands accountability of the Guards but no one is demands accountability of their parents/guardian would any right mind person allow their children out late at night to roam the street of our capital or any were in our country. Until these matters are addressed this will continue. In addition to this these underage thugs are laughing at the inadequate court system that are in place to deal with the plus lack of juvenile facilities.
@Larry O Reilly: Spot on. Once we hear juvenile, we know there will be no serious consequences will happen to them. Once you hear juvenile it should all fall back to their parents. If their parents were made financially responsible for their juvenile childrens actions maybe, just maybe something might happen. And again when the word juvenile is mentioned the Gardai hands are tied. God forbid they put their hands on them. Reports say the Gardai know these juveniles on first name basic as they have detained them on numerous times but the revolving door of our justice system keep spitting them back out. I’m at an age, maybe like a few of you, that if I got in trouble with the Gardai once, my ma or da made sure it was the first and last time.
Another assault in city centre today A woman assaulted I. Temple Bar yesterday The Tanaiste says Dublin City centre is not safe. It’s time for resignations when the Govt admit that they are failing the people who elect them .
Let Ministers Mc Entee and Donoghue walk the streets alone at night and then declare they are safe. Dublin is not safe at night ….if it was these attacks would not be happening. Simple logic but that does not click in with the current Government.
@Ollie Fitzpatrick: The saying
“surround yourself with geniuses you’ll look like a fool, surround yourself with fools you’ll look like a genius ” sounds apt for the current Taoiseach and Tainiste.
Time to put some fear and respect into these gurriers, a hurley and a balaclava might help, as well as parents having to actually pay for damages done by their precious little darlings (for crimes committed by minors).
Also, must stop the continuous “free legal aid” for the repeat offenders. If need be, lend them money for legal aid, but make them pay for it, or work it back.
This is fast becoming normalised by the government and senior gardaì. Meanwhile we are being distracted with other stories of fat lesser importance or significance to the actual ordinary unprotected citizens of Ireland.
This should be THE main story as it is one that has the potential to affect everyone’s life in this country directly or indirectly. Enough is enough. Stop with the political news speak and do something significant for once that actually protects citizens, like punish those involved for real and their parents too. Pay the gardaì properly and enact a zero tolerance NYC approach. Is that so hard?
This is where individualist snowflake culture has got us. We have become an outrageously dumb society in allowing our country to fall apart at the seams. Meanwhile our distracted Minister is more concerned with enacting vague dystopian laws that will polarise the country even further. Is the title of the job, the Minister for Justice or the Minister for Injustice because it really seems like the latter?
My god what is the capital city coming too. Crap p/r that’s for sure. There is no deterants for these yobs. They can do what they like to innocent people. That poor American citizen. Destroyed for life. I squared when I saw a juvenile arrested. Because none of these juveniles never are made to pay for there perceived crimes. Lawless city in the extreme. I pity the garda They are not responsible in my opinion it’s the suits and the wigs who make mamby pamby laws.. It’s been like this for years and will continue so till somebody has the balls to do something about it.
@sam o brien: yes Sam he can tell them which street to go to to get the crap beat out of u. Good tourist service that. Good old board failte. Discover ireland.
sure didnt hate speech helen tell us dublin is safe as she walked the streets last week surronded by gardai. Tell ya what if dublin is so safe maybe ministers could go for a walk sometime without any security with them down a few streets just as its getting dark and see how safe they feel then
Its the govts job to ensure the safety of all its citizens, to provide housing, health care, education and to make sure each of its citizens can prosper. I believe that our elected officials are out of their debt and are failing at every level. The top civil servants need to be sacked in each of the departments. The only effective debt if the revenue. The rest are just there for the money. This country is getting worse and worse, the only thing this govt will do is double down on the media front and spend more on PR.
Helen is deluded so much so that she thinks Dublin is safe. there is something wrong with a justice minister that states an untruth or is so deluded that she does not understand what she is saying. Dublin is a kip and I know because unlike Helen and her out riders that we citizens don’t have, the chances of being robbed or attached for no reason is a daily occurrence. Helen I suggest you buy a newspaper or listen to the radio and educate yourself because your an embarrassment to yourself, FFG,and the good people of Meath.
@Adrian Aungier: Helen do the honorable thing and resign, sadly your way out of your depth and your innocence and dismissiveness shows. Grow up and acknowledge facts.
Burglers drive the wrong way on a dual carriage way trying to escape from the Gardai and end up crashing and killing themselves. The Garda is subsequently penalized for trying to do his job. Is it any wonder things are the way they are.
Been travelling around Poland and Germany the last ten days. Not a hint of menace, no hassle, nothing but just decent people out strolling about, having food. The cops maintain a low but visible presence and do not tolerate gurriers but i am sure the judiciary backs them up when needed. I also get the feeling that the people wouldn’t tolerate it either, not been able go out for a drink in parts of your own city centre! We either make some changes or our cities will wither.
@Geoff Bateman: You are not alone there. I have thought of that analogy many times recently, and not only regarding anti-social behaviour but the general way this place is run. Money going everywhere left, right and centre, except in the right place. Plenty of snake-oil being sold to the public under the guise of progressive politics. High noon, high prices, high crime. Welcome to the modern dystopian Wild West! Yeehaw.
Housing is for the rich.
The hospitals are for the well-heeled.
The city centers are for the violent aggressor.
Basically, stay in your little rented box, stay well, pay your TV license. Oh, and don’t offend anyone.
If it was her own ministerial pension entitlements that were at stake, Ms McEntee and the Government would be working tout de suite. But a few plebs being kicked to bits around our cities and towns wont be looked into until TD’s return to put their snouts in the trough once more on Sept 20th. Then all sides will grandstand and talk utter nonsense while courts will ensure the perpetrators of these crimes are treated with kid gloves.
Dublin is dangerous, bad for your health, a no-go area but this is still a democracy, McEntee not capable. Won’t be voting her back in. She’s not up to the job. Out if her depth. At this rate she should resign if she has any self-respect. But then, so should Tubridy, but there’s an awful lot of arrogance and denial in Ireland, and an awful lot of people who don’t realise the party’s over.
Alot of cities and towns in Ireland have been lost at night to del roo/justeat, homeless, and anti social youths, since covid. The local government need to get real and help businesses survive and thrive and make the town centres be alive , not like the ghost towns they are now after 6 pm
This lawless behaviour has been years in the making. Government removed community policing, close community Garda stations, reduced numbers of Gardai. The results being that existing Gardai are overworked and underpaid. Now, they can recruit enough to make up for the numbers exiting the force so it’s a self fulfilling race to the bottom. Ever since the weirdo right wingers took to the streets during Covid, and now with their Anti-Foreigner nonsense they’ve encouraged criminal elements onto the streets. Things have gotten ten times worse since the degenerates took to the streets and Gardai not doing a tap about it.
Assaults are happening all across the country. According to the CSO, In the last 3 months of 2022 Irelans “Attempts/Threats to Murder; Assaults, Harassments & Related offences (+17%)”
Something seriously wrong with the justice system in Ireland and I don’t mean the Guards.
A child/youth/juvenile is viewed in the courts system as a child(Anyone under 18) needs to be looked at, this youth diversion project and probation reports needs to be revised.
It’s easy judge the Gardai but the frontline Gardai and some Sgts do a great job overall in very difficult situations. Remember that a guard is always the one at an incident to help and is always the one held accountable.
Inspectors, Supers, Chf. Super, Ass. Commissioners, Deputy Commissioners and Commissioner are the ones who are politicians.
As Dublin has become a no-go area and the violence of the assaults increases anyone with a titter of wit wll get out. The alternative is to replace this don’t-care government with anyone who will get involved in improving things.
Stick in 2 words “American tourist ” and this story would take on a whole different reaction from the media..assaults are commonplace in the Dublin city area on a daily basis and the minister isn’t on TV suggesting that the city is a safe place (it is if you have a Garda escort with you for the photo op)
The spar at Dame Street and the surrounding lanes in templebar are so crazy when the addicts congregate. Ive been all over eastern Europe, other capitals and Ive never seen the likes of the open crack smoking, dealing and psychotic behaviour. It’s like a mini Seattle or philadelphia.
And it’s not just one or two people, there were around 40 people engaged in lunacy. A lot more young women too, it was terribly sad to see.
But it is dangerous, I was asked/ ordered to go to an ATM to get money which I obviously didn’t but for elderly woman or vulnerable people, these people will prey on them. Desperate stuff, we were warned about a crack epidemic nearly ten years ago and it is here.
I might be wrong. My opinion to the “Lugs Branigan” guard. Everyone knows of him, tough man who took a stand on gurriers. There’s plenty of tough men. Who are unemployed, who could do police work, better. Young student rookie’s can’t handle the real element of a city.
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The choices you make regarding the purposes and entities listed in this notice are saved and made available to those entities in the form of digital signals (such as a string of characters). This is necessary in order to enable both this service and those entities to respect such choices.
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