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Armed police in the suburbs of Barcelona. Emilio Morenatti/PA Images

Spain's terror cell managed to avoid detection by going dark and relying on family

The key person in this case is said to be Moroccan imam Abdelbaki Es Satty.

THE JIHADIST CELL behind last week’s twin attacks in Spain was built around a “guru” and went completely offline to avoid detection by anti-terrorist police, experts said.

The group managed to evade authorities so well that even a giant explosion at their bomb factory in Alcanar, where police later uncovered massive quantities of ingredients to build TATP, was not at first linked to the jihadists.

Investigators only made the connection after their vehicle rampages in Barcelona and the nearby seaside town of Cambrils.

Experts say the key reason was the way the group was formed.

The “propaganda and recruitment techniques” are like those of a cult, said Lurdes Vidal, director of the European Institute of the Mediterranean.

“The role of the family is emphasised, the group is a closed circuit, and everything is done to stop things from getting out,” she said.

And at the heart of the group, “there is a central person who unites everyone, who provides Salafist answers to youths who may have lost their bearings,” said French former intelligence officer Alain Rodier.

That key person in this case was the Moroccan imam, Abdelbaki Es Satty, who was killed in the blast accidentally triggered by the jihadists themselves.

He may have presented two different faces to people of Ripoll, the small town where he and many of the suspects lived, said Alberto Bueno, a member of the International Observatory of Studies on Terrorism.

“He shows one face when he preaches at the prayer hall in Ripoll, and the other of radicalisation,” said Bueno, a researcher at the university of Granada, in Southern Spain.

The unity of the group is further compounded by the fact that many of its members are siblings, noted the expert, pointing out that among the dozen suspects are four sets of brothers.

Yves Trotignon, a former member of France’s anti-terrorist authorities, noted that the set-up featuring relatives was also seen among the perpetrators of the 11 September, 2001 terror attacks in New York and the 11 March, 2004 train bombing in Madrid.

Rodier, a former officer in French intelligence, said Spanish experts were fully aware that such groups formed around families are particularly tight, because, “you’re not going to betray your brother”.

The family connections also ease the process of indoctrination, he said.

‘Reconquering Spain’

While Spain’s attackers had prepared their assaults for months, it is likely that the process of radicalisation began a long time ago, he said.

Alberto Bueno noted that the group had eschewed online social networks and stayed off mobile phones, at a time when anti-terrorist police scour the internet for signs of radicalisation among users.

Spain Attacks A man stands next to flags and flowers on Las Ramblas. Emilio Morenatti Emilio Morenatti

“This classic model, with people who know each other and a guru who accompanies the development of the cell goes back 15 to 20 years earlier,” said Alain Rodier.

The experts also noted that the youth of many of the suspects — some of them as young as 17 — was no accident.

This is a period of life that is potentially volatile, Vidal said, noting that “religion was used to get to the youths, in order to have a very strong emotional impact in the construction of their identity.

“These are Muslims, not converts. An imam is necessary, an incubator who comes from among them, and who convinces them that their faith requires them to take action,” said Rodier.

“They may have viewed themselves reconquering Spain as Muslims, … as suggested in the letter found in Alcanar,” he added.

In the rubble of the Alcanar house, police found a sheet of paper slipped into a green-coloured book.

It read:

A brief letter from the soldiers of the Islamic State on the territory of Al Andalous to the crusaders, the sinners, the unjust and the corrupters.

Al Andalous is the name of the territories in modern Spain that until 1492 were by Muslims.

© – AFP 2017

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:31 PM

    Article refers to Salafist answers to youths who may have lost their bearings…….
    The majority of the world’s Salafis are from Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia……Hope the government is monitoring Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar in Ireland….Austria does not allow funding of Mosques from those countries

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:12 PM

    Great work from the Spanish police. Any people, even peripherally connected to these terrorists should serve lengthy sentences with the help of God or Allah or Buddha. Don’t care so long as they’re off the streets!

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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:29 PM

    @Mick Murphy: Catalan police, aka Mossos d’Esquadra. The lads in the Spanish police are crying like little kids and throwing rubbish to Mossos because they have not been the heros of this story.
    And a shameful behaviour from the Spanish government who has vetoed Mossos to join the Europol for political reasons, putting in risk Catalan citizens.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:14 PM

    Is there any chance, we can ban any religious teaching until the person is an adult and educated. Maybe, If we started there, we could raise some intelligent people and If they want to learn about Religion when they become adults? Then that’s their choice, no more indoctrination of children from any religion until the adulthood and ban its practice in public.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:59 PM

    @Stephen murphy: It’s like I just read my own mind in someone else’s words!

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:40 PM

    If you really want to point the blame it should be pointed at the Koran.this book basically tells all it’s followers to kill,torture and rape all that don’t follow it’s teachings and it’s for sale in easons.the mind boggles

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:49 PM

    @Anthony Brennan: bible, particularly Old Testament is just as bad, and is quoted by many fundamentalist christian groups with exactly the same mindset as the radical muslims or any radical religious groups.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:20 PM

    @Brendan Cooney:

    In case you’ve missed recent events in Europe over the last couple of years, It’s not “fundamentalist radical Christians”quoting the old testament and blowing kids up in concerts, or mowing innocents down in the streets or going on stab Jihad sprees ffs.
    The fundamental problem with Islam is the fundamentals of Islam.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:36 PM

    @Remy: how quickly events in northern Ireland are forgotten!

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:46 PM

    @Brendan Cooney: Jaysus, could you be any more of an apologists.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:59 PM

    @Anthony Brennan: Anthony, you are the non-Muslim version of the Jihadi. Like the Jihadi, you see an inherent feature of the Koran – that it contains some ‘essential’ nature.

    This is quite idiotic. For any rational student of history will understand that both violence and peace come from all religions. That religion has no essential character, and where those who claim its adherence interpret their religious texts in a variable manner depending on the historical context. Suicide bombings, and this recent spate of Islamic terror attacks are a relatively recent phenomenon and without doubt prompted by western interference in the Middle East. Christianity spread by sword and crucifix throughout the Americas and Africa. But that is not what Christianity is ‘essentially’. Its an interpretation which justified a social action in a given context. A context which for you, conveniently does not exist any longer.

    From a sociological point of view, the Koran acts as a cohesive value system which, for the overwhelming part of its social existence, has acted as a system of regulation and promoted peace.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:59 PM

    @Brendan Cooney: the troubles had nothing to do with religion as in religious conquest through terror, it was basically a land dispute over the northern counties, Irish nationalism against British colonialism.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:02 PM

    @Remy: sort of, but religion was used as an easy identifier just as now

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:05 PM

    @Chris Cantwell: no just pointing out the fallacies of trying to hold up just one religion as the evil one and neglecting your own which is just as warped.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:50 PM

    @Brendan Cooney: northern Ireland was a geographical war man above all

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:48 PM

    @Anthony Brennan:
    Have you read it? I doubt it.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:15 PM

    @Brendan Cooney:

    Islam was founded on war, conquest and enslavement, all you have to do is read up on the life of the perfect Muslim and how he lived.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:57 PM

    @Sofian Murphy: Thou shalt not kill. It is not ‘open to interpretation’. It’s simple enough for a child to understand. People don’t mind if others want to dress up as ancient Romans and talk about their ‘system of regulation’ either. So long as they don’t take that as an excuse to go around pretending to be freelance crucifiers just because. Got to draw the line somewhere.

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    Aug 25th 2017, 2:41 AM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: Of course its open to interpretation. If it wasnt, no Christian, ever, would justify murder in the name of Christianity. And you obviously have never opened a history book if you beleive that to be the case.

    And the same goes for Islam. Though shalt not Kill? – what is that? – At the most obvious level, it is black and white ink or an image projection. Only the human brain, through the senses, can make any meaning of that. And that meaning is necessarily a subjective creation, and not something with an “objective meaning” – since without human interpretation, it means absolutely nothing.

    This is all rather obvious. Your essentialist views are nonsense, quite frankly.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:32 PM

    Reading that crazy book too much

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:40 PM

    @decky smith: “Don’t trust people with only one fucķin book” Billy Connelly

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:12 PM

    Find it hard to believe that youths from any other religion could be brainwashed into becoming mass murderers and committing suicide so easily. why are Muslims so susceptible to this stupidity

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:25 PM

    @johnp: In 1940 a Germany was brain washed , also a lot of communist countries too, which killed far more than even the Nazis could ever dream of. So people are very susceptible to manipulation.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:26 PM

    @johnp: Many teenagers were involved in 1916, War of Independence and Civil War. Were they brainwashed too? IRA? WW1 had lots of teenage volunteers?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:27 PM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: The antidote is critical thinking. And really studying both sides of an argument.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:33 PM

    @johnp:
    Evidence from around the world indicate that humans in general are very susceptible to believing nonsense and being brainwashed from youth – not limited to one religion. The extreme and violent side of that brainwashing sure is hard to comprehend, but exist it always has

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:34 PM

    @johnp: it’s like they have some sort of book that tells them to do exactly that.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:37 PM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: were the volunteers of 1916 or soldiers of ww1 sent out to kill civilians and kill themselves don’t remember that in my history books

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    Aug 24th 2017, 4:39 PM

    @Ladude: and what exactly are both sides of this argument please enlighten me

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:12 PM

    @johnp:
    the bigger picture, and what people don’t get is that since it’s creation,Islam has been at odds with just about every culture, Ideology and Religion that it has encountered, 1400 years of it, Gates of Vienna, Battle of Tours, Barbary Slave trade, Reqonquista, Battle of Lepanto etc etc etc….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

    This is all just the latest chapter….

    https://www.theworldweekly.com/reader/view/magazine/2015-01-22/the-battle-for-islam/3090

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:32 PM

    @Remy: Likewise with Christianity except for far longer, Australia, South / Central / North America, Africa, India, the list goes on, cultural genocide on a scale that has never been surpassed. In more recent times we had George Bush claiming his Christian God spoke to him and told him to free the people of Iraq, still cleaning up that mess.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:38 PM

    @Atheos Euripides:

    Nobody takes George Bush seriously, after all he did that Islam was the religion of peace.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:45 PM

    @Remy: Doesn’t matter whether they do or not, Christian leader and done in the name of religion.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:54 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: where in the bible does it say start a war?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:56 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: actually do you know how many wars and battles Islam started? Go to a Muslim country and see how diverse it is, the western world accepts everyone…

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:01 PM

    @Philip Brady: Here’s 7 Bible verses about going to war to start with, it might help you refamiliarise yourself with your religion. Islam has started far less wars than Christianity and the fact you don’t know that shows an astounding ignorance of historical fact. You should comment less and read more.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:24 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: The Christian Crusades vs the Islamic conquests. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo&t=63s

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:28 PM

    @Atheos Euripides:

    Sorry to break it to you but Europe doesn’t have a Christian terrorist problem, we have an Islamic terrorist problem.
    There is no moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam, all you need to do is look at the founders of each religion and how the lived.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:30 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: Wow 7 verses, that mention or are “related to”. Most are old testament. You’re really reaching there. How about 109 koran verses specifically violently targetting the unbeliever: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
    I’ll put it this way, who would you rather fight, Jesus or Mohammad?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:48 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: Ok so now Islam, what do they say about war in Islam? can you tell us were the bad in Islam is, From your intellectual perspective?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:51 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: Has Christianity got problems YES has islam got problems YES. Should we be able to talk about them problems YES. Has the church reformed YES has Islam NO . We are talking about ISLAM not the chruch man.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:14 PM

    What a pointless discussion. The answers to why these attacks are happening are not to be found in the Koran but elsewhere. The Koran is absolutely meaningless without some form of interpretation. The question people should be asking is why people choose to interpret religious texts a certain way. People of all religions carry out all sorts of violence and use their religious texts to justify that. Buddhist monks in Myanmar and Sri Lanka massacre Muslims and Sikhs. But to see why, I wont go looking in their texts. In the same way I wont go looking in the Bible for the reasons for the colonisation of South America and Africa.

    The answers are to be found in the historical context and social conditions. These are what shape interpretation in which to justify the pursuance of a social action.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:20 PM

    @Sofian Murphy: Bingo.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:21 PM

    @Ladude: ‘Has the church reformed YES’, one of the funniest statements I’ve read on The Journal in a long, long time, thanks for the giggle!

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:36 PM

    @Atheos: Way to avoid points raised. The whataboutery and irrational bias is strong in this one. Did the priest drop you in the font? Or do you just believe the bs the imams spoon-feed you?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:47 PM

    @Bob McShane: Ad hominem, way to avoid the points raised.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 7:54 PM

    @Sofian Murphy: what about countries that are governed by sharia law?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:04 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: The chruch has reformed , its well documented. Are you just in denial about Islam ? We all know about the chruch. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Brunei, Qatar, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Sudan and Mauritania all support sharia law. I guess you’re going to compare it to the church haha

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:20 PM

    @Ladude: atheos believes all Catholics are members of a child abusing racist cult ( his words) . And at the same time he calls anyone who questions Islam a bigot

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:29 PM

    @Sofian Murphy: Except it’s written in the Koran to kill unbelievers, apostates, gay etc. Here’s a hint, if the Islamic holy book advocates violence in the name of Islam then then Islamic holy book is part of the problem.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:05 PM

    @Mike: So let me get this straight mike, the Koran actually has not changed it book and advocates violence ? Its pretty simple to grasp.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:49 PM

    @Ladude: Unless you call raping infants and covering it up reform. You should read the Murphy and Ryan reports and you’ll find your reform in there. How’s Cardinal Pell doing these days by the way?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 10:50 PM

    @johnp: I don’t believe it, I know it. The Catholic Church is the largest paedophile ring to have ever operated on the planet.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:18 PM

    @atheos: So it’s the children you’re concerned with. You seem to be ignoring the example of perfection muhammad, and his conduct Aisha. Also since when is a question or two an ad hominem. My are we are sensitive, petal. Now that’s a veiled as hominem. But you like veils. Bazinga! Another!

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:19 PM

    … conduct with…

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:36 PM

    @Bob McShane: I put your comment into Google Translate and got a ‘language could not be found’ message. On the sauce again?

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:37 PM

    @atheos: the points raised, both by the article and initial comment in this thread, concern the radicalisation of youths by an Islamist imam. You blundered shamelessly in with what about the hypocrite church in south America, and whatabout the crusades, or child abuse? I asked a question, who would you rather fight Jesus or Muhammad? You haven’t answered. I’d fight Jesus, he’d let me win, and we’d have a laugh and some wine after. Since you’re worried about child abuse: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty

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    Aug 24th 2017, 11:43 PM

    No sauce. Might need a new phone though. Thanks for your concern. Id rather stay on point than explain pop culture references to you. Less is more when googling. So who’d you fight J or Mo? What do you think of the Islamic conquests,, versus the crusades? And why do you think the Catholic church are the only hypocrites with a monopoly on child abuse, given Muhammads marriage to a 6 year old is seen as ok by all of islam? I sincerely await your answers.

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    Aug 25th 2017, 2:51 AM

    @Mike: Its written in that Koran that adultery is punishable. But in line with what I have outlined above, what is written is of marginal importance.

    Go visit sex island to see Muslim women having sex with male prostitutes as part of a cultural-religious tradition in Indonesia. Are they less Muslim? – perhaps by most interpretations. But not in theirs.

    People pick and choose what they want from religion (and the interpretation and applicability of its texts). And this is very geographically and chronologically variable.

    The task is to explain why people, and societies, choose certain applications and interpretations of a religious text.

    And the answer to that will not be found in the texts themselves.

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    Aug 25th 2017, 4:35 AM

    @Atheos Euripides:

    Hahaha… Bush is not a Christian leader, He was the President of the US and it wasn’t done in the name of religion, were the gulf wars sanctioned by the Pope?
    Desperate argument you just spouted.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:34 PM

    They are murdering racists and nothing more. Why is that not being reported as such? Because it’s suits the narrative of the powers that be to portray them as terrorists so laws can be changed and countries invaded.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:06 PM

    @SteveW: Takes one to know one.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 6:57 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: Know the biggest Ar$e on here which is you dummy. You probably don’t even get the irony of your statement either. Go on try to read it again if you can.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:31 PM

    @Atheos Euripides: So now you take offence at your precious terrorists being called racists? You are some terrorist apologist troll.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:40 PM

    @SteveW: They are murderers, they are racists as often as not it seems, but they are also Muslims carrying out acts in the name of Islam. Their aim is to terrorise, by any definition they are terrorists. You seem to see a conspiracy here to invade. I’m afraid western civilisation is the one being invaded.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 9:46 PM

    Shut down all the mosques, that’s where radicalisation happens.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 8:45 PM

    @Mick Jordan:
    You don’t know your history you didn’t mention Portugal!

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:25 PM

    Spanish are notoriously inefficient. Their police are corrupt and their banks are still failing.

    I wouldn’t trust them to bust up a p*** up in a brewery.

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    Aug 24th 2017, 5:54 PM

    @Frank Cooney: every time I go to Spain I say never again but that sunshine makes me quickly forget the inability of Spanish people to actually work hard.

    They are the laziest in Europe. No doubt.

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