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(Front row, L to R): Eve McDowell, Senator Lisa Chambers, Una Ring, Senator Fiona O’Loughlin. The Journal

Stalking is not a specific crime and victims say 'harassment' does not cover it

Stalking Ireland has worked with Fianna Fáil’s Lisa Chambers on the bill.

VICTIM SUPPORT GROUP Stalking Ireland has said a new bill to make stalking a specific offence in law for the first time would make it easier for gardaí to investigate. 

Co-founders of the group Una Ring and Eve McDowell said outside Leinster House today that the current harassment laws used to deal with stalking do not accurately represent the trauma felt by victims. 

As it stands, stalking is usually dealt with under Section 10 of Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act which makes harassment a crime. It carries up to seven years in prison.

The act criminalises an individual interfering in another person’s peace by persistently following, watching, pestering, besetting or communicating with them. 

The new bill is being tabled by Fianna Fáil Senator Lisa Chambers and seeks to insert the term ‘stalking’ into Section 10 and criminalise “repeated unwanted behaviour”  that causes distress or harm to a victim. 

Chambers said today that stalking can include patterns of behaviour where there is “no direct communication”, so the new legislation is required. 

“As distinct from harassment, it’s repeated unwanted behavior, it’s not just communication, because in Eve’s case there was no direct communication through text messages or phone calls or even speaking to her. Una had a different experience,” the Senator said.

It’s  repeated unwanted behaviors that show an intensity, an obsession, and create an intense fear within the victim. So it’s a step up from what is currently there as the impact on the victim is far more severe. 

Ms Ring, who was subjected months-long campaign of harassment by a former work colleague, said that the characterisation of harassment does not cover the behaviour she was a victim of. 

“As far as I’m concerned, it was harassment when he was messaging me. When someone is creeping around your house to the point where you have to get in CCTV cameras, where you have to have the guard sitting outside, that’s above and beyond harassment,” she told reporters.

Harassment is more of an annoyance, stalking is very, very sinister. The end result of stalking is either rape or murder. Whereas the end result for somebody harassing somebody is about getting inside someone’s head and freaking them out.

“When you’re tidying up your house before you go to bed for crime scene photographs that may need to be taken. When you’re thinking of getting a tattoo on your body to identify your remains if that happens, that’s not harassment, that is being stalked.”

Ms McDowell said that she was stalked by someone who was in her university and who started turning up outside the shop she worked at.

He used to stalk the clothes shop that I worked at, that was the extent that I knew him. I started asking about him and he stopped coming into the shop and instead starting walking by. I didn’t really understand what was happening to me was stalking because when I Googled it nothing really came up. When I went to the guards they said that nothing could really be done as he hadn’t done anything, no crime had been committed. Nothing was done until he broke into my house and tapped my housemate with a hammer. 

Under the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, threats to kill or cause serious harm to someone can be punished by a jail term of up to 10 years. 

Senator Chambers said the new bill would also mean that this 10-year sentence should apply to those convicted of stalking. 

“When you actually rename an experience, words matter. And how we identify this point matters and how we actually identify a crime matters. And that will have an impact on how the gardaí treat a complaint of this nature and it will have an impact on how judge’s view prosecution’s of this nature and have a direct impact on sentencing,” she said. 

Ms McDowell also added that it is hoped that making stalking a specific offence will mean that more victims come forward: 

We knew that it was more common than what was discussed. But I think as well a lot of people didn’t actually recognise they we’re being stalked. We define our acronym as F.O.U.R, which means fixated, obsessive, unwanted and repeated.

“It’s only from I suppose sharing experience, that you get some victims coming forward. They’re like, ‘Oh I heard your story, it wasn’t as bad as what you went through now but there was this fella doing this or that’, and then they go on to tell a really traumatising story about them being stalked, but they don’t even feel confident enough to put the label on their experience.”

In 2016, the Law Reform Commission recommended that there should be a separate offence of stalking and Senator Chambers urged the Department of Justice to “reflect on their position” that stalking can be dealt with under harassment legislation.

Stalking Ireland provides a list of support phone numbers for victims

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    Mute Paige Turners
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    Mar 19th 2016, 8:26 AM

    Awful sad. Thoughts with the families.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 9:15 AM

    A good few Irish lads out in Dubai working for their engineering and maintenance department. Thinking of Ye lads. For all the armchair crash investigators, no pilot takes off with the thought that his actions will kill all on board. I’ll keep my opinions until after we have an crash investigation report. RIP.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 9:19 AM

    You are forgetting the actions of Andreas Lubitz then.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:24 AM

    True

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    Mar 19th 2016, 8:42 AM

    @tom burke, my connection with the ‘manx2′ crash was budget airline & it says the plane was ‘circling’ for 2hrs when other planes had diverted but obviously this crew were under pressure to land at that airport as were the crew of ‘manx2′ flight

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    Mar 19th 2016, 8:14 AM

    Sounds like a similar chain of events that caused the ‘manx2′ flight to crash in cork a few years ago,

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    Mute Tom Burke
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    Mar 19th 2016, 8:19 AM

    Manx crashed in poor visibility, not stormy conditions. Indeed when it is foggy it is rarely windy.
    Not that similar.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:02 AM

    Ahh tom the aviation expert is back ..

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:09 AM

    Ah Chris
    I’m merely stating facts.
    In fact I’m one of the few who is not speculating.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:47 AM

    Sorry for pointing out the obvious Tom, but in stating that this crash is not that similar to the manx crash, you’re speculating on the precise cause(s) of this crash.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 11:19 AM

    Avina
    You are making this painful.
    I never speculated anything about the cause of the crash. All I’m doing is pointing out the facts that the weather in this incident and the weather in the Cork incident were very different.

    I’m not speculating. I’m dealing with facts. There is a big difference.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 9:31 AM

    Lubitz was a co-pilot. I am aware of this incident and others where members of the flight crew flew the aircraft into terrain. Hope that made your day pointing that out

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    Mar 19th 2016, 9:52 AM

    Whatever pal.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 11:01 AM

    There’s a video out there purporting to be of this plane crash. Doesn’t look like any accidental crash in bad weather I’ve ever seen. Plane comes down hard and fast on an almost 90 degree angle.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 8:55 AM

    Sounds like poor judgement alright. Pressure to land instead of divert. If bad weather then should have diverted to airport with ILS. The mistake was the 2 hours circling…ate up the divert allowance.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 9:11 AM

    We simply don’t know.
    It’s all speculation at this stage.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:04 AM

    But we do know its rarely foggy and windy at the same time …lol….but that is correct

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:10 AM

    It is correct Chris. Glad you came around.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 6:05 PM

    There is footage of it from cctv and it looks like it nose dived into the ground? It looks nothing like a plane missing the runway. Rip to all souls lost.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 6:09 PM
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    Mar 19th 2016, 9:49 AM

    Shocking. Know a few pilots down there.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 11:42 AM

    6h30m flying a 738 with one confirmed and a possible second go around? Fuel?

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    Mar 19th 2016, 5:47 PM

    Could of course be off the mark but if you listen to communication with ATC there’s no mention of fuel. All conversations relate to weather. That said bigger and better airlines cut it fine with fuel so hardly out of the question. It’s saying the wing hit the ground which could mean wind but it’s coming in very steep and very fast. So I could be pilot error. I’d say it’s best to leave it to the experts.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 10:01 AM

    Magoo he meant anyone in their right mind you clown

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    Mar 19th 2016, 4:52 PM

    The speculation police are out in force today.

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    Mar 19th 2016, 5:28 PM

    Ya watch one series of air crash investigator and people become experts!!!

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    Mar 19th 2016, 2:27 PM

    @quiggers im not trying to be an aviation expert nor an air crash investigation expert but like yourself i do have friends in that field & i do read all these reports from accidents so i do have to a ‘certain extent’ & i use that very carefully understand the reasons behind these incidents

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    Mar 20th 2016, 1:15 PM

    How do you know the captain made any “fatal decision” ?

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    Mar 20th 2016, 1:17 PM

    @ Helena…

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    Mar 20th 2016, 8:53 AM

    I wish the journal got their facts right! Poor journalism, that’s what it’s called. Not ALL passengers were Russian: 44 were Russian, 2 Indians, 8 Ukranians & 1 Uzbek. The crew consisted of a captain from Cyprus (who made the fatal decision to land instead of diverting, did he think he was invisible and will be able to land when many other planes decided to divert?!), co-pilot from Spain, air hostess from Colombia and the rest of the crew from the Seychelles. More accurate info is here: http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/how-is-the-weather-sir-audio-of-final-cockpit-conversation-of-doomed-flydubai-738-jet-before-crash-in-poor-visibility/ar-BBqGnJX?li=AAaxjhv

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    Mar 20th 2016, 12:48 PM

    Invisible?
    I have no idea what that word means in this context.

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