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Although government jets and helicopters have been misused previous to open off-licenses and supermarkets, our government does need at least one dedicated private jet. If another economic calamity were to occur it would be hard to influence an EU discussion over skype. We do live on an island.
More use of charters and scheduled flights for 99% of travel would make more sense economically. NetJets can have a jet ready in 10 hours to travel anywhere in the world.
I don’t think the govt can be trusted not to misuse the plane. There’s been to meny instances where it’s been abused. As in the situation where someone who for example has defrauded the state out of monies is fined or jailed the same should naturally apply to the govt ministers, I’m sure that would focus they’re minds.the cost to the taxpayer is paramount when it comes to reining in fraud. Until there is equality across all sections of society as regards theft and not the standard as at present where it’s deemed ok to “borrow” a plane nothing will change. How many children have had to forgo the opportunity to get medical help for life threatening illnesses because the jet was being used for personal use. Its inexcusable.
I have personally seen this jet used to get sick children to the UK in a hurry a number of times. I would keep the smaller jet for this purpose alone.
As for the politicians, I’m sure Mr. O’Leary would only be too happy to offer them discounted travel, sure any of them that travel with commercial airlines currently still let us foot the bloody bill
The air corp serve no real purpose in Ireland and are a huge expense to the taxpayer considering they don’t even carry out search and rescue or much else of benefit the tax payer, apart from the odd photograph or fly past.
Scrap the jet,disband the government flying club and build houses on the land at baldonnel.
Really! The Air Corps serve no purpose! You clearly haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. For the love of God, Google Irish Air Corps, take 5 mins on their FB page, have a look at military.ie, go and educate yourself before making pointless, ill informed comments!
This aircraft is not only used for flying ministers around. It is often used as an air ambulance, for example.
Also, it is the only aircraft in the Air Corp fleet with inter-continental range. If a member of the Defence Forces were to require a medical evacuation from, say, Syria today then the State would be unable to provide it.
I can (to an extant) understand the “let Enda fly coach” argument but it is a reaction to a very incomplete story.
the gombeen on the news this morning was saying that “we have to sell the country” but we all laugh at every tin pot African dictator with his fleet of mercs and private jets. Governments of bankrupt countries don’t deserve these perks. They should have to slum it on Ryanair and maybe pick up a few stories of Irish emigrants they happen to sit beside, might be an eye opener
Sure they won’t be sitting beside any Irish emigrants. Didn’t you know that the Irish emigrating leave the country by hiding out in freight ships bound for the UK?
We are told we have no money ,we don’t need these aircraft .all Aerlingus transatlantic aircraft have wifi on board .Airport lounges have wifi so they can work away .use this service all the time work gets done .
We have to make a decision on this and some questions need to be asked!
Does the country require Ministerial Air Transport?
If yes, how many aircraft? 1, 2 or more?
What is the most cost effective way of supplying this? Buy or Use a service like Netjets!
I’m inclined to think that we should have our own service as frequently these are required at short notice but we need to put money aside for maintenance and money aside for replacements.
Yes we should never ask questions in the taking of decisions Nicola. And we should never consider the business case for any public spending. And we should never calculate anything. That said I think one of the reasons the last (ever, hopefully) FF led Government lost touch and allowed idiotic decisions about air transport in this country to be made was that the Drumcondra Dunce had not flown commercial in years. A walk through the hell that is Dublin airport might have helped him realise where the country was going.
Well put Proinsias. We are an island nation entirely dependent on trade. We are one of the most open economies in the world. Our Ministers fly commercial a great deal of the time just like the rest of us. Unfortunately commercial aircraft do not always travel at the times and at the frequency needed for cabinet Ministers. However like anything else it is open to abuse. I do not think people realise just how much travel is involved for Ministers for business reasons. Most of this travel can be accommodated on commercial flights but there are always exceptions. Ireland should, in my view, have a least one aircraft under the stewardship of our air force which is capable of inter-continental travel but its use should be carefully monitored and it should be available for multiple purposes. I saw this article in the Irish Independent as well. Of course it was couched in terms designed to madden the masses i.e. last perk etc.. If properly used it is not a perk but a business necessity for an island nation doing business in an inter-connected world.
Yes,I 100% agree that we should think of the children and transplant paitents so what’s the soloution…
Get rid of the ministerial transport and let them travel with the mere minions that pay their wages .
Invest the money in fully equipped air ambulances .
Do you know the cost difference in running a plane and a helicopter…
Right just to clear up a couple of things… Bertie did fly coach a number of times and I remember him being given out because he didn’t take the Government Jet back from South Africa once… I think there was a rumour at the time he didn’t like them especially the older one, which he thought unsafe.
Saying that we used to have just one Government Jet until about ten years back when we bought the new one, we just never got rid of the old one…(The question of needing two is valid)
As an Island country having a Government Jet is kind of important, we are kind of lucky having good diplomatic standing in the world and are respected arbitrators in world events… This helps us in trade and thus employment.
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