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LAST UPDATE | 18 Aug 2020
HEALTH OFFICIALS HAVE advised the government to issue new guidelines asking older and vulnerable people to limit their time outdoors, advising people to reduce the numbers of people they have in their homes and to return all sports to behind closed doors.
A full meeting of Cabinet is due later today where ministers are set to discuss recommendations to curb the spread of Covid-19 in Ireland.
The National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) met yesterday to consider a range of issues, including outbreaks at meat processing factories, with blanket testing of workers to begin this week.
Health officials have expressed concern at rising case numbers in recent weeks. Yesterday they confirmed 56 new cases of the disease in Ireland, with 66 cases confirmed on Sunday and 200 on Saturday.
It is understood NPHET recommended the government issue new advice to limit the numbers at a household gathering to six people from three different households.
NPHET also discussed the protection of vulnerable people and recommended the government ask older people and those with underlying conditions to limit time spent outside their homes.
Workers will continue to be encouraged to work from home if it is possible to do so.
With just two weeks to go now, the safe re-opening of schools was high on the agenda for NPHET yesterday. Acting Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn has stressed it is a top priority for health officials and, if needed, other measures will be taken to ensure children can get back to school.
Originally, a Cabinet sub-committee on Covid-19 was due to meet later this morning to discuss recommendations from health officials. This has, however, been changed to a full meeting of Cabinet where it is expected fresh restrictions could be brought in.
Guidance is also expected to be issued this week in relation to the regional lockdown in Kildare, Laois and Offaly. Yesterday Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said he did not expect these restrictions in the Midlands would be expanded.
He also said his department had been working to finalise foreign travel proposals for Cabinet to consider.
“Right now things are very finely balanced in terms of public health, getting the schools open, protecting jobs, getting the hospitals and the healthcare system up and running,” he said yesterday.
“I would say the next three weeks are incredibly important.”
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As a male I have to deal with sexist comments all the time from females
Offensive things like
“in your dreams,love” or “piss off, I’m out with my friends”
“get out of my garden or I’m calling the guards” I find particularly hurtful.
You can all make a joke of women been harassed when we are going about our daily business. Trust me it is not nice experience, as every Man has Mother & probably sisters, I ask you this, what way would you feel if your Mam, sister are been harassed?
We need men to stand up with women say it is not acceptable to shout sexual comments at women in public, as with me, it happened when I was 13yrs old in my school uniform, and now it happens when I am pushing my baby in buggy. Not OK, it not a joke. Most you men will have daughters, see how you feel when men shout comments at them when their going school. As long you support it, you facilitate it happening to women & young girls, who are your mother, daughter or sisters
“Get out of my garden or I’m calling the guards” I snorted reading that haha
@gill it’s not only Women who get sexist remarks shouted at them I can assure you.. I’ve been a Taxi Driver 11 years and no joking it would shock you the things women would say or remark to you about.. I know people will find it funny but Women think it’s fare game to grope you. Could you imagine the headlines if a man got on a bus and put his hands between a female bus driver legs, well that has happened to me more than once by a woman and people just laugh when you say it.. Women have double standards when it comes to things like this so get down of your highhorse
Cosmo I dont think its double standards I think its ignorant people. Woman who have seen behavior towards other woman who then decided to do it to a man to see how he feels then some little girl sees this and does it when she’s older thinking its ok when its not. ( I am not blaming the man in this but the woman who follows suit)
Thats the point though people should stand up and stop this kind of behaviour. Not only is unwanted physical contact wrong so are lewd comments and being shouted at for no reason. Whether male or female.
I agree with everything you said except the part about the men commenting here one day procreating.
So then you should know how it feels and condemn entirely it when it happens to other people right? … Right?
@ Cosmo So then you should know how it feels and condemn entirely it when it happens to other people right? … Right?
Its called equality.
Society speaks of women becoming equal to men and doing as they do, but never the other way around.
Then when the women behave like the men, suddenly its “wrong”.
Time to stop the patriarchal male v fe+male divide and conquer game.
I am noticing more and more the threats to young women about gang raping them. I was with my daughter in the street when 4 young men threatened to gang rape her. My daughter was minding her own business talking to me.Like the woman in the video, my daughter is strong and confident looking.
Gang rape of girls from the care system has been shared with me a few times and the refusal of police to take these girls seriously.
Having lived in New York, there is something not being said regarding this film. There is a cultural issue here. You will notice that a majority of the featured comments were from minority males. Commenting is street culture to minorities. You don’t have to like it. Perhaps education will change it; that might be the focus of the charity. But apparently it is politically correct to ignore the facts. Now you can feel free to red thumb me as a racist for stating the unacceptable obvious.
Hollaback have addressed this point in their post (linked to above): http://www.ihollaback.org/blog/2014/10/27/new-street-harassment-psa/
They say: “Like all forms of gender-based violence, street harassers fall evenly across lines of race and class. It is a longstanding myth that street harassment is a “cultural” thing, perpetrated mostly by men of color. We believe that street harassment is a “cultural” thing in the sense that it emerges from a culture of sexism — and unfortunately — that is everyone’s culture.”
I read the full statement, Aoife. It is a culture of sexual harassment, but I stand by my comments having lived in NYC in my teens and twenties.
Why did my comment get deleted? They vast majority in the video are clearly black or Latino.
Dirty ba$tards we wouldn’t get that sort of behaviour over here.
I happen to agree Sean. Walking the streets of Dublin for ten hours would be interesting but I doubt it would be anything like this!
The whole video was a fix if you ask me, even though she is a good looking lady, she is not a goddess, hard to believe every person she passes had something to say, also the camera man in front of her might have something to do with it,
They hid the camera. Denial is a common early response to disturbing information.
of course NOT
@Aoife It’s colour not color.
Culturally we are so different than New Yorkers. I didn’t see this on Sex and the City though.
You’d be surprised. I walk 10 minutes to college a few times a day in Cork and its rare that I wouldn’t get a shout or a hoot of a horn or whistle or something like that a few times a day. It gets so frustrating.
Saying this, this woman in the video walked for 10 hours and collected two minutes of footage. Its not as if this was constant.
Mick, the camera was hidden and I believe the whole point was that she was averagely good looking and modestly dressed, yet still
got singled out and sexually objectified. I’m pretty average myself and on the streets of Dublin I get wolf whistled at and asked why I can’t give them a smile etc.
I understand it all seems pretty harmless to men, but there’s a point for women where it can get very uncomfortable and even scary (especially at night).
Here’s an example of it happening with white business men since people seem to think it doesn’t happen – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCbKtp-xtik
Jack In New York ;it is COLOR but a white person can have pale skin ; red cheeks; blond hair;brown eyes; and we CALL black people COLOURED ? /
Try Walking the streets in a west of Ireland town, nearly everyone will say hello to you. It’s shocking!
Can I ask if you gave a curt smile would it maybe work? Or would you be worried that it might give them further ideas?
@Luke yeah I know that but Irish journalists usually spell it “colour” when writing a piece for Irish readers.
In South Africa people of mixed race are called coloured. That’s the only time I hear that term being used.
I live in New York and I see it everyday. It’s minorities. Latinos are the biggest culprits, they think it’s perfectly acceptable.
@Jack Bowden did you not realise that it was a quote from the group Hollaback who are American and therefore spell it “color”. You must have missed the fact that the quote was in inverted commas.
Ya see your points, but still not convinced about the video,
@killian yeah. To be honest, I didn’t read that comment. I just scrolled down n saw “color” written by the journalist Aoife and then I pressed reply.
It’s a shame ya can’t take down your comments once they’re made. It’s so final.
Well said Rathminder. I was thinking the same as I watched the video. I’m Irish living in NY for over 2 years and your points are very accurate.
I noticed that too. Some cultures are more into trying to pick up girls on the street or in public places than others, but it’s good they didn’t try to selectively edit the video to give the illusion of “balance”.
If your were black and walking the streets of Dublin 10 hours I can guarantee you’d get jeered at.
US Dept of Justice crime statistics contradict Hollaback’s contention “it falls evenly across racial and class lines.”
According to U.S. Justice Department figures over 34,460 White women are sexually assaulted or raped by Black men each year, and most authorities believe that the actual rape figures are at least twice the reported number. In perhaps the most shocking crime figure of all is the number of White rapes against Black women. Statistically, it is 0. Because they have fewer than 10 cases nationally.
According to murder figures released by the Justice Department in 2002, , Black predators are at least 22 times (2,200 percent) more likely to murder White women than the reverse. In regard to gang attacks including the horrible spectre of gang rape, the figures are literally off the charts, with at least a 200 times (that’s 20,000 percent!) greater chance of Blacks committing gang assaults and that includes both White men and women victims.
That satirical video completely makes light of the situation that women experience this on a daily basis. Making this video as a response reinforces this behaviour towards women by completely disregarding it
And the donations go towards what exactly?….
Daaaaaam…. how you doing this morning beautiful? god bless you.
The majority of what I heard in the video were complements some bordering on harassment and the occasional stalker………
I’m still failing to see any instances of harassment
Donations go towards getting the girl a nice winter coat from Pennys. Guaranteed to stop all attention!!!
Or a bicycle
Or a helmet, list goes on
Dang Ciara you lookin gooood this morning.
What about me? How am I looking?
@ Mrs Shalakalananaka, Good Morning sweet cheeks, you do be looking mighty fine ;-)
I know, I was just fishing for a compliment. ;)
Ciara Mahon ;you been rude ? ? ?
That video needs a man from Cavan to shout at her “Ya have a fierce nice hole “
And that right there is the problem Brandon.
I think being followed for any duration of time is harassment. As is tryingvto force a phone number on her.
I do think some of the comments should just be taken as compliments.
But you not seeing anything wrong with any of it is worry some.
Poor girl, hope she makes a full recovery, someone once said hello to me and I was never the same, turned to drink and drugs but after ten years of therapy I am now on the road to recovery, remember there is help out there.
I was spoken to by a girl on the tube in London back in 1998 I haven’t fully recovered yet. Maybe we should start a support group…………………. It was on the tube, the tube, I couldn’t get away, you see, you don’t know Man, you weren’t there.
Everytime I hear Lionel’s Ritchie’s eighties classic “hello” it sets me back another ten months..
I get harassed like that all the time….. Only they are looking for a hand out. Sure if she came to Ireland everyone would say hello as they pass but wouldn’t dream of complimenting her unless the were drunk and standing outside a pub
That’s street harassment? Sure most of them were only saying hello and complimenting her, wouldn’t mind but she’s not great!
She needs to buy herself a good pair of runners and jog on. Chancer
They expect her attention. And it doesn’t matter what you look like. If you’re ugly they make sure you hear that too =P
Not really sure how some guy shouting at you from a street corner is meant to be taken as a compliment. Imagine if we all just shouting our judgments on random strangers at them.
“Hey fatty!”
“You look like you need to get more sleep!”
“Those pants do not match that t-shirt, that was a poor choice you made this morning!”
“Stop rushing, work can’t be that important!”
“Don’t text and walk silly, people bump into poles that way!”
You deserve to go about your day without strangers shouting opinions at you that were not sought for or welcome, negative or otherwise.
Well said Ann Marie! I was beginning to think every poster on here thinks it’s acceptable to be leered at in public… I find it totally uncomfortable to watch what that girl goes through & frightening at times. She’s an actor with a cameraman accompanying her so therefore has a safety net but imagine if it was a young woman on her own…totally intimidating & unacceptable.
I’ll make one exception; “leggings aren’t pants!”
Joanna ;you would know
And here was me about to donate to silly causes like cancer research or Debra Ireland…. No hold on I’ll divert my funds to somebody who doesn’t want to be winked at…. Fack off.
Some of them just saying hello… Nothing wrong with that….
Reddit covered it brilliantly!
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2klbex/woman_wears_a_gopro_camera_in_new_york_city_to
I know people will say this is nothing but if someone noticed me constantly as I walked around even in a supposedly positive way I would find this annoying especially if someone started following me trying to start a conversation. I can see the harassment here just because they don’t grab her or shout obscenity doesn’t make it ok. Just leave people be
Wtf was that lad doing who just walked beside her? Lunatic
I live in Galway and have never seen this type of thing. Hopefully it’s not just that I’ve been missing it or haven’t had to deal with it, but honestly, like you say, what the hell was he hoping to achieve by following a woman around? Did he think she was going to fall madly in love with him? There are some strange backward people out there.
ScewMadd ; get some coleen to strut around Eyre SQuare ;;
She is walking around a dodgy part of nyc, alot closed down shops and lowl-lifes hanging about.She is white and has the body type that the majority of these men can only dream about,she is their holy grail.Blame on the Kardashians,it all about the base. ( I )
It’s happened to me a couple of time, men walking silently beside me for a long time matching me step for step. I don’t understand it. I can only guess that it’s meant to be intimidating, that they’re are making me feel uncomfortable in a public space because they can.
If you are an odd ball you might think it is ok ,if it was your daughter what would think
I’d still think to expect privacy in public must be the result of either delusion or egomania. Do you think such interactions should be banned to protect your daughter (who I’m sure can stand up for herself just fine without daddy if you would just cut the apron strings)?
If someone said have a nice day to my daughter and nothing else I wouldn’t think of it a harassment.
Nice to see that half of the people on the video have come to comment as well.
I’m shocked people said hello and complimented a stranger! I thought we had moved beyond that and gone all insular!
I love the way people who have never been harassed, seem to think its ok to harass people. You’d quickly lose your faith in humanity reading some of the comments on the journal….ffs
Women would go mad if they didn’t get noticed!!!! Most were saying hello ffs, she’s up herself
Right? Especially when that guy started walking along side her for no reason. Such a snob like! I love when strangers follow me. Makes me feel soooo safe.
My comment said MOST. Sure the creepy guy following her was… Well creepy but as for the whole thing in general? Getting compliments from strangers and hellos and looking for a bloody donation to stop this isn’t a world problem. As I said, she’s up her own hole.
Maybe you’d feel differently if you got shouts and whistles day in day out? It is extremely uncomfortable. Maybe some people like yourself would welcome the attention from strangers for some reason but I would say the majority of women would rather travel to wherever they need to go in peace.
Sam ; Hello there
Is it his responsibility to make you feel safe? He was definitely being a creep and intimidatory, but what if he WAS just walking along side her and their strides matched in that awkward way. Does he have to slow or speed up to make her feel safer?
Isn’t that just sexism? Lots of men would do that, or cross the street when walking behind a woman late at night, but isn’t that really sexist? Presuming that a woman will feel unsafe?
That’s some of the nicest and friendliest harassment I’ve ever seen. Bar the creepy guy following her for 5 mins, it’s just humans interacting. Move on love.
Ummm… If I was the ‘creepy guy’…. I’d sue for defamation,
I mean how dare he ‘walk next to her in silence for 5 mins’ Doesn’t he know this sensationalising art school drop out owns that sidewalk… Nice of her to make the accusation and cut the film to look like he was stalking her when he was walking the same direction next to her for a whole of 2 blocks…
Lad, he was properly side by side, glancing at her! You can’t possibly be serious that he just happened to be walking in the same direction in perfect step with her for five minutes haha
I the point is more that maybe it is creepy but are we really trying to fight “creepy”? How can men treat women as equal, if at the same time they have to assume that as a man they have a 50% chance of being a rapist, and she as a woman already feels like a victim?
All pretty inappropriate but it does appear to fall along some racial or cultural lines not necessarily pertaining to the broader spectrum of sexim that men are constantly accused of, so I think then laying this information and this problem at everyones door is a little unfair. I never do any of this crap and it doesn’t appear to be a major feature of Irish urban living from my experience so why the hell is it on the journal.ie? TWICE????
Feminism can’t tackle this on racial/cultural lines because it’s full of liberal farts who would slit their own mothers throats before apportioning blame to a “minority”.
It just seems all a little overblown. Bigger things happening in the world.
Lets not all pretend that he is repersenting the average male. Probally thinks he can pimp her out.What else would a white girl be doing, walking around his block.
“bigger things happening in the world”…. Says last commenter. Indeed. But when most women have experienced (at least) low level sexism to the point where it is construed as “normal”, we have a big problem. It is not acceptable to be objectified, leered at, groped or put in fear of your safety because of your sex/gender. This is a day to day problem and it is interesting to me that the majority of commentators attempting to ridicule the piece are not female. Walk a mile in our shoes, gentlemen….
Other than the odd ball who tries to force his number on her and the creep who walks silently alongside her for 5 minutes, I’m not sure how any of the rest of what she experiences can be in any way classified as harassment. Someone telling you you look beautiful, even using derogatory New York slang to do so, is a compliment, whether welcome or not, hardly harassment. You can’t demand complete privacy while in public, although thanks to a revolutionary new invention called “headphones” you can ignore people very easily if they are bothering you. Guess like most things it’ll just be easier to try and restrict people’s interactions in the interests of some bullshit cause or another rather than just tell people to turn the music up though.
Did it ever occur to you that some women might find these comments intimidating?
I wear headphones most days but there’s only so much music I can listen to before I get sick of it. Went without them once for a change and got barked at by a bunch of lads driving slowly along side me =/ I feel condemned to wear headphones in public for as long as this behaviour is expected.
Some women? So we should ban interaction to protect the subjective sensitivities of a minority of women? Who cares if they feel intimidated; unless actual, legal intimidation is occurring, then “some women” need to man the fcuk up.
The point is, whether the women found them intimidating or not, the comments were not meant to be intimidating but complementary. The men should not be labeled as creeps or predatory because a handful of women potentially can’t deal with a complement.
It’s not a compliment. Why do these men insist on making us know what they think of us?
Joanna, why do you feel you should be allowed to stop them doing so? Ignore them if it bothers you, but you can’t stop people talking to you.
Modern feminism is being overrun by a vocal puritanical minority. At least I hope it’s a minority.
Tumblr feminists are a special kind of nutty.
Though I would like some feminist advice, I was out at the weekend, and apropos of nothing, this man sitting outside a bar shouted at me and said I had a nice jacket – have I been harassed?
Silent Majority most women just want to be left alone. Is that so much to ask? =P
Yes, it is too much to ask. You cannot demand privacy in public – if you could it wouldn’t be public.
Joanna – we live in a society with a mix of nice people and jerks. Unless you want to dictate how all people behave based on your standards then, yes, it’s a little too much to ask.
Just to be clear, following / lewd comments are beyond the pale of interaction in my mind, but someone complimenting or looking to get a girls number is fine.
I’d recommend you listen to some Thadeus Russell on feminism – he outlines some very salient points on what it has mutated into.
OK Silent so if someone you don’t know comes up and starts talking to you even though you don’t feel like it you OWE them your attention just because you’re in public? And if its not just one person but many you’re not allowed to feel annoyed? If I started poking you you’re not allowed to feel annoyed because it doesn’t hurt and its not illegal and you’re just being too sensitive and not letting me do what I want to you.
I don’t OWE anyone my attention. Strangers regularly come up and talk to me (apparently I have deceptively friendly features), and if I want to talk to them I will, if not I’ll either ignore them or tell them to fcuk off, which I do with some regularity because my friendly features are most certainly deceptive. Do you think I should have these people arrested? Are you seriously proposing that this be banned and you can have people criminally convicted for annoying you when you’d sooner be in private, yet still inexplicably left your house? Get over yourself Joanna, you ain’t that important or special to warrant such legal protections I’m afraid.
I’m saying respect people in a public space. Get over yourself Silent.
And I’m saying people can choose to either respect or not respect people in a public place. Respect is earned, not demanded, and if these people wish to act in a disrespectful manner then you cannot enforce your values on them. I reiterate, you can ignore them, you can avoid them, you cannot silence them, and you cannot enforce your values on them.
We can’t force people to do anything but maybe make them reconsider how they treat others. It’s no use telling people something is wrong when they don’t understand why it’s wrong.
Or maybe they just disagree with you and don’t think it’s wrong? People not behaving how you think they should is not necessarily the result of a lack of understanding, just maybe they think you don’t understand why what they’re doing is right.
Well, Joanna, given that Silent earlier said “I don’t care if they’re intimidated”, I think he’s firmly putting himself in the camp of men who think that hassling women on the street is his right.
I don’t know where all this fire and brimstone talk of arrests and legal restrictions came from. All people are saying is, “Hey guys. Here’s how to be a more decent human being. Keep it to yourself”. All this talk of the freedom to make one idle comment to a stranger. You’re ignoring the cumulative effects of repeated comments day after day. What’s so wrong with asking people not to be dicks? Don’t they have a right to ask at least, Mr Libertarian?
No that’s taken out of context. He said who cares if they FEEL intimidated. And he’s right. Some meek women feel intimidated just by the presence of a man in the room. Sometimes I feel intimidated by my boss. A man can feel intimidated by a more successful or better looking man. And so on and so forth. Intimidation is not always the cause of someone being nasty to you. You’re just dirtying the word.
So Joanna, if you were in a nightclub or pub and guy approaches you and begins to make conversation, what do you do? Keep in mind you’re in a public place and this man is a stranger.
Amy, I don’t think you can compare street harassment to a person being intimidated by someone who’s better-looking or in a position of authority, or a man just standing in a room. What we’re talking about here is behaviour that, let’s face it, men know full well is at least annoying to many women and even intimidating to some.
It depends. Nightclubs are places for socialising so I don’t mind a bit of banter. If I’m going to the shops or something though, I’m not really looking to meet new people.
Daniel, some context would help you out here. When a woman is in a pub or club in a social situation, she would be hoping for some interaction, wouldn’t she? I think when she’s walking down the street to work or whatever, it would be nice to not have some guys act like they’re still in the pub.
What about cafés, restaurants, trains, mass, or concerts? Could you perhaps prepare a list of venues and social situations where interaction with the opposite sex is permitted, and we can then instigate “interaction zones” outside of which any interaction will be expressly forbidden.
I suppose if you start following women around mass or giving them so called ‘compliments’ while you’re in restaurants, cafés, trains, etc. you won’t be long discovering if people find it acceptable. From those experiences you should be able to compile your own list.
That is nonsense! My whole point is its irrelevant where you are. So because he’s ‘harrassing’ you in a nightclub and you’re up for it its fine but on the street its not. The end goal for the guy in the street or the guy in the pub is the same. Just because lots of men aren’t afraid to approach women outside of what you consider acceptable places doesn’t make mean they’re harassing you.
If i chat up some girl on a bus or a train does that make it harassment? Or is it only if she doesn’t like it?
Perfectly put Daniel. Essentially the demands are that all men should know what any given woman wants in any given scenario and should act accordingly. The legislation may require a couple of extra qualifying sentences, but I think we have this pressing first world problem sorted!
Christ… I weep for humanity.
I weep for you and the poor sod who tries to chat you up next..
She didn’t compare them. She made the point people can feel intimidated for a number of reasons during social interactions that it’s not always that somebody is setting out to intimidate them. A woman feeling intimidated because somebody complimented her (and mostly they are complimenting her in the video) is not the fault of the person who is complimenting her necessarily. They may leave that same interaction thinking they’ve made somebody feel good.
The whole thing stinks of sexism on you’re side, presuming that women need to be looked after by you and your moralising brigade.
Hammy, it is not annoying to all women, just the precious princesses who feel men should behave in a way so as to avoid any offence to any woman, ever. But then everyone takes offence or is intimidated by different scenarios, which is what I was saying. Should we ban all such scenarios? At the risk of sounding full of myself, I’ve done alright for myself when it comes to men, have been approached or commented to on the street quite a bit over the years and am only ever intimidated when they act aggressively. Why would I feel intimidated otherwise? Last year I was approached at the luas stop by a guy asking me for my number. I politely told him I was married and off he toddled, him feeling slightly more embarrassed than me intimidated. I smiled a bit to myself and proudly told all my girlfriends. Compare that to the time when I refused to give a guy in a nightclub a kiss, he got aggressive and I got intimidated. But according to you guys, the guy in the nightclub was within his rights and the guy at the luas is a creep.
Thank you Amy!
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I think you mistaking being approached versus being yelled at. A guy chatting you up whether in a pub or on the bus can be flattering but when a guy yells at you with no end goal other than to yell at you that to me is ridiculous. Im not intimidated by it but I can find it derogatory.
If you’re going to be this idiotic you should probably stay a silent majority.
I’d love to know how the men here would feel if strange dudes ‘comlimented’ them on the street all day. Don’t tell women how to feel about unsolicited comments on the street. They can tell you.
Exactly, all the men saying this video doesn’t depict harassment, imagine day after day having men much bigger and stronger than you flirting and saying suggestive things, even at night when you’re walking home alone. Maybe you’d want them to see it from your point of view and leave you in peace. Alot of people on here seem to be missing that point. Unwanted flirtation can be intimidating to a woman when it comes from a bigger stronger person or an entire group of them.
I don’t understand how anyone can think those “HIs” are friendly. Very creepy. I’ve experienced it here when out running, in particular from men in work vehicles/vans. They beep or shout at you going by, and these are not young men. These are not compliments, it’s unwanted attention and it’s creepy. Any woman looking for this sort of attention or who thinks it’s complimentary really needs to rethink. It is more acceptable because there are plenty of people around or because it’s daylight? It’s predatory behaviour.
That looks very mild to be and almost harmless bar one or two things…. but there in lies the problem I suppose.
Just because I or someone else thinks such behavior is fine that does not take into account how that lady or anyone else feeling harassed feels. I person regardless of gender , sexual orientation has the right to walk down a street without feeling they are a piece of meet to be commentated on by random punters.
Of course in places like New York it seams to be accepted by some people but that doesn’t make it right..
How can this be addressed I really don’t know but calling out people behaving like that if you see it happening is a good first step.
We have a right to walk streets without being commented upon? Is that in the universal declaration, or is it not a right at all and you just made that up to support your desperately weak point?
Okay how about this then, it is a reasonable expectation to be able to walk down a street without feeling threatened , harassed or that how you look is free for random passers by to comment to you at will?
That seams like a fair expectation of anyone to have.
Yes we do have rights protecting us from threatening behaviour and harassment, but these are legally defined terms. That this woman “feels” threatened or harassed does not mean she is being threatened or harassed, because in a legal sense she is not being. And she has no right to silence people because she dislikes the things they are saying. She is free to ignore it, she is free to avoid it, she is not free to restrict the freedoms of others to protect her own subjective sensitivities.
Actualllllly, harrassment in law is subjective. It has a definition but how that is interpreted is subjective.
Why don’t you keep your big mouth and your stupid sexist comments to yourselves.
People should be able to walk the streets without being hassled by anyone.
I’m so glad that most of you save your bullshit!t for the Journal. At least here you can bully and show your true selves with a degree of anonymity. That keeps the streets just a bit cleaner.
And yes, I am a misandrist.
Presumably anyone who disagrees with you is a misogynist.
My god take the crucifix out of those knickers you little dictator! Misandrist is right !!!
These “compliments” as many here are commenting on are intimidating, uncomfortable and unsettling. I never feel complimented when I have to hurry past a group of men who stop talking to stare at you, with the confident few saying something like hello beautiful, or comment on your figure, while they stare at your chest and you can see their heads turn to look at your bottom when you go past. It’s unnerving and if it happens at night time I genuinely fear for my safety when I’m alone.
I know girls who love it and get a confidence boost out of it, but I also know girls who feel the same as me. It doesn’t matter what you look like, how you’re dressed or what age you are. These men still feel entitled to comment on you, whether it’s negative or positively, it’s still not okay to do.
I walked past a group of Muslim men outside the mosque around Newmarket on my way to work recently, and when I didn’t reply to a few of their “compliments” I got called a wh0re and a slut.
How dare I ignore their perverted comments that were “complimenting” me though I suppose.
Is this a wind up candid camera
Out of curiousity, would you feel this is something that you get often from adult Irish men?
Or teenagers?
Or people of another ethnic origin?
I’m curious because for me, this sort of thing simply would not be acceptable. I’m not from Dublin or a major urban centre, so maybe there is a different culture in the cities but I find the practice, especially when it takes on aggressive overtones to be pretty disgusting and I think comes from the same place as the broader street intimidation that I have experienced while walking around cities.
In the end is it sexism or people just being d*cks because they are being re-inforced by their peer group.
Irish adult men, when sober, seem to be more reserved and less forward with the comments. You’re more likely to get stuff like how’re ya and general friendliness, or comments like a smile it might not happen and stuff like that.
However teenagers in clubs, and young men are even worse. They seem to have no problem or embarrassment to just come up and squeeze a girls bum or boobs, which is sexual harassment. It’s the seeming entitlement I just never understand
Glad to hear that. It’s not something I’ve seen prominant among adult men myself so I’m glad that I don’t just have blinkers on. I think when any group get drink into them, they act profoundly different, often depending on the peers they are with at the time. A young man, among a group of young men will act the sexual conquerer, while the same fella at the family wedding will be perfectly courteous. That is more an issue of wider social interactions within smaller social groupings and unfortunately can be unpleasant.
I think unwanted physical contact in those sorts of situation is something both sexes experience and appears to be one of those things that we as a society feel is permissable if both people are about equally drunk, which may or may not have some merit. It certainly feels like one of those situations where most people tolerate it and or engage in it, so it’s sort of over looked as a problem. From a mens perspective it is probably much more flattering than it is for a woman, but I think on both sides and especially in regard to teenagers and young adults its a case of peoples sexual desire being greatly increased by alcohol while simultaneously there ability to make good judgements being severely impaired and the result is people doing dumb sh*t. I would not be surprised that you would note increased instances of inappropriate behaviour when drunk. It would be nice if people didn’t conflate being an ar*e with having a good time when they are out. I’ve never understood the mentality people have for voluntarily turning off their brains just because they are out drinking, and it’s really unfortunate what results of that behaviour.
To harass women like, used not be the norm or seen as ok in western culture, at least before the general decline in respectful attitudes in society, however it is a matter of fact, this is the norm in other cultures.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0uQInTECI4
Well, what do you expect , its New York City with 8.4 million people, this is hardly harrasement except for the creepy guy , she should try this in Cairo , they would rip her clothes of!
How on earth do so many people think this is ok? I read the comments first and expected to see nothing of consequence but I was cringing the whole way through it… Believe me I can engage with a stranger no problem and do daily but she’s just walking along and getting talked at, not engaged with? Who on earth has the right to call a stranger ‘baby’, and then they expect the girl to acknowledge this unsolicited ‘compliment’. One person gets to call me baby and that’s my boyfriend. I have a postman who tells me regularly he’s just ‘longing’ for the day he gets to see me out walking in my shorts…..WTF. Yet a man did come up to me once in an airport and said ‘Do you speak english? you are a very beautiful woman’ and I said thank you very much. My point is that yes in some circumstances a compliment from a stranger can be graciously accepted and appropriate but it’s all down to how much respect the man shows the woman. FYI I didn’t find either man attractive, but I did find one respectful and one not.
Jesus Mary it all happens for you
It’s not that people think this is okay, for me I just question that this is harrassment or sexism. It is as you point out about respect. Giving a compliment in a public place is neither harrassment or sexist, it just can be inappropriate. The video portrays it as sexism but I’ve had experiences in Dublin of people just basically being d*cks to me and felt intimidated by it. I smoke, so sometimes get asked for a cigarette by people I pass on the street. How they ask determines how I take it and in some cases they have followed me for a short while if I refuse, trying to intimidate me.
Turning it into a gender issue (again..) creates the wrong battle lines. Instead of it people respectful people vs d*cks, it is defined as women vs men which puts men (most of whom would never engage in this sort of behaviour) on the defensive.
Why would a man who hasn’t done any of these things go on the defensive? Surely a man who doesn’t do this would listen to the countless number of women who are subjected to this EVERY day and hear what it is they are saying. You also said it’s not a part of normal urban living, I assure you it is.
It’s a gender issue because as these posts point out, the majority of men don’t seem to think it’s a big deal nor even notice it, yet most of the women do….I’d say that points to a gender difference….it happens to women more than men!
I also see that you said elsewhere that why should man slow down or go to the other side of the road to make a woman feel more comfortable…. I would commend a guy for doing that, generally speaking you are bigger than us, so there’s a natural advantage in your size.
In fact if I am ever walking behind a woman on a street and notice her getting uncomfortable because she can’t see me I often speed up and pass so she knows I’m just doing what she’s doing.
That’s sexist. By the definition of the word, so just putting that out there. Which means you think some sexism is good? I do the same and do believe that recognizing the differences in our genders is part of the solution, not part of the problem.
It’s only a gender issue because it is being framed as one. The reality is that everyone in urban areas will suffer some form of behaviour that is intimidatory and this discussion shouldn’t be about whether the things being said are compliments or not, but about how people interact with each other in these public spaces. As an equivalent situation the internet is often demonized as “sexist” and the harassment of women is regularly reported on but it isn’t a gender issue. I’ve been using the internet for over 15 years and people being d*cks is nothing new, and certainly didn’t start when started logging on. People have always been d*cks on the internet, it’s just the way people tend to behave and men get it just as much (if not more) than women. I’ve been threatened with a grisly death more times than I could remember, usually over the most benign of topics. Yet the discussion on this behaviour is not “don’t be a d*ck”, it’s “don’t be a d*ck to women”.
So lets stop framing this as men v women and instead start talking about why some people were never given a good slap around the ear to respect other people because that’s what it boils down in the end. A total lack of respect for the people they share public spaces with. If you’re a woman its “hey beautiful”, if you’re a man it’s “What are you looking at”. In both cases it’s not right that it happens. The fact the men don’t dwell on it doesn’t mean it’s a gender issue, it simply means it is an issue which women feel more strongly about. It’s an issue more important to women, not a gender issue.
Regards it happening in urban areas, I find it hard to believe that the frequency of this behaviour is the same in Dublin, as in New York but I’m open to being corrected.
Cathal
It is harrassment. The boy (because that is what he is) commenting is not doing it with altruistic motives. He is doing it with the expectation of gaining something from the woman, usually some sort of physical gratification. The fact the woman is less physically capable as him, means she is automatically in a position of submissive inferiority – she has to either acknowledge what he has said or if ignoring it, has now to feel uncomfortable that there may be a retaliatory reaction to ignoring him. A woman has indeed every right upon leaving her front door, to expect to be free to walk in total psychological freedom and free of any comments that limit that freedom because their effect is aimed at extracting some gain for the physically more dominant male stranger. I suggest men act like men, meeting women, approaching them in a setting where the woman feels comfortable being approached.
thats sexist im calling jesse jackson
This girl needs to take the pole out of her arse. Gender based violence? Please. It’s people complimenting someone they find attractive.
And lol at her.using “crew neck and jeans” as if no one should look at her in these clothes. They’re spray on tight and don’t exactly leave much to the imagination.
I have mixed feelings on this one – we have all seen the slimey catcalls to women from building sites and similar types of situations. It is harassment, degrading, threatening and out of order. What we see in the video is closer to home – in a world where we seem to see more and more violence, more and more unstable people mixed throughout the general public, these types of up close personal comments when simply walking down the street are unnerving to many (if she was in a bar, nightclub or sitting in a café it might be more appropriate for someone to talk to her).
The flip side is if a George Clooney lookalike kicked off a conversation with her and it developed, I’m sure she would be quite willing to go on Oprah in a couple of years singing the praises of how great New York is that its not lost its personal interaction like London or other cities have.
Better start beeping out Joey in friends… Could catch on….
She wouldn’t last 10 minutes on the boardwalk.
A few people here are missing the point. It’s not so much what each guy says to her — in isolation, many of the comments could be taken as a compliment — rather, it’s the fact that so many guys are calling for her attention in the space of one walk. You know how annoying it is trying to barge your way through a market when hawkers are in your face trying to sell you stuff, and you’re trying not to make eye contact. Imagine that hassle every time you walk down the street. I reckon it would drive me mad.
Lots of oil paintings posting here I see. “she’s nothing special, I’d giver her a solid 5/10″ from behind your screens
Id give her a solid 8 1/2
Is this harassment? Is she kidding? What’s wrong with this… it’s just a appreciation!!! Can’t believe… she may want to live in Afghanistan or some sh***0l3 like that, covered with a burqua so no-one would “harass” her and respect as a woman…..
Yeah by Italian standards it’s not harassment. That’s not saying much.
The feminists must be out in force this morning with all the red thumbing going on. But let’s be fair, 10 hours and apparently “over a 100 incidents of street harassment”. Other than the creepy guys walking beside her I fail to see how most incidents could be considered harassment, and actually throwing the word around for a guy saying “Hi” is belittling true incidences of harassment. There were no cases of sexual advances even, nobody being crude toward her, just guys with nothing better to do commenting at her.
Yep they’re out in full force.. plenty of valid comments with massively high red thumbs.
Soon you will have to sign a contract to talk to certain women.. due to how sensitive they are, we will have curfews and they be whining more…soon they will complain about men not giving them compliments!
I am sexist? Maybe, but maybe not, but starting to thinking women really arent as mature as they say they are if they get so sensitive over comments (besides the guy following her that was a a wtf momment) but id conintue but id be oppressing the women here, ( feels all powerful as my mysterious oppresive powers are not in my control)
I think that may have been me lads… I’m sorry but it’s the Irish upbringing. I say ‘howareya’ to random strangers on a daily basis. I even wave at other drivers on quiet country roads. I was a bit of a fish out of water in London but if I said hello to you on the tube, I’m very sorry. I didn’t realise the earth shattering far reaching consequences it had upon your life. Never again will I inflict this hurt on others. :(
Reading all these comments it seems to me that most people are missing the point! If a man did the video walking on the streets, instead of a woman- would he get an equal amount of comments from people over 10 hours??? The simple answer is NO! That’s because of sexism full stop!! That’s what the video is about!
I’m a guy and I’ve had girls shout “nice ass” and whistle at me while I’ve been walking alone. Sure it’s the way we are. Men find hot women attractive, and vice versa. Some of the stuff said was inappropriate and over the top, but you shouldn’t read too much into it
It’s probably just because I’m really, really, really incredibly good-looking
Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful
It was probably said ironically but you are too thick to get that.
Its a culture thing people!
I’ve experience this in America too, Brazil, Turkey, France etc.. I’ve been living in Ireland for the last 13 years and believe me : none of it has happen! :))
Not that I agree that woman should be harassed like this, its actually very uncomfortable to have somebody following you, and you can see on her face that she’s a not a happy lady!
Its sad but how do you change this kind of attitude?
Linda Naranjo ;Famous Irish song by the great John Mc Cormack I will walk beside you .Tell me which Town you live in AND I WILL keep you company
Go take shower Luke,is that a baby under your arm or a turkey..
In Norway a few years ago I sat in a tram opposite a girl in her 20s. A much older man of Afghan/central Asian appearance got on and sat next to her and tried to talk to her, when that failed he kept putting his hand on her leg, and she told him to stop. I wasn’t sure of what to do, on the one hand he could have had mental problems and you can’t go around assaulting people like that, but on the other he was harrassing a girl. I thought of moving to sit next to her so she might feel safer and he might be deterred, but I also thought that might have the opposite effect, and she may not appreciate the intervention in any case. I ended up travelling a few extra stops to make sure they went their separate ways. Still not sure I did the right thing.
I’d be delighted with that response, beats been called ugly features by a kid at traffic lights the other day!
As Chris Brown said, sexual harassment is simply a man trying to get laid. “If my father didn’t harass my mother, I wouldn’t be here”..
He goes on to say that it’s only harassment when she doesn’t like it.
If all the guys talking to her looked like Calvin Klein models I bet she wouldn’t feel like she was been harassed at all.
Daniel, you’re absolutely right. Women like attention from guys they’re interested in. Not so keen on the others. But you talk about it like it’s wrong. Aren’t women allowed to pick and choose when they want to flirt and with whom?
Well call it like it is then… It can’t be harassment if you don’t fancy them and a compliment if you do. How do you police it? Jail ugly confident guys?
Of course they are allowed to pick and choose but you can’t stop men from trying anyways. But just because a woman doesn’t like him it doesn’t automatically become sexual harassment.
Hammy ; I;m still waiting ;;see ya
@Hammy, pick and choose who speaks to them on the street? How the hell would that work?
It wouldn’t! Thats the whole point.
Go away with her. She loved it. Swelled head on her
Personally I think she had a sign stuck to her back asking for compliments.
Pwooor….see the fun bags on her
Quite a disproportionate amount of the men featured are from minority communities which promote machismo on a daily basis through their cultural outputs. Sad but true
I sort of think that the unwanted comments have a lot to do with the fact that she was walking through the rough /”tough”parts of the city,where the men who live there are plain ignorant and this ignorance often includes sexism.
I too am friendly to people I apologise sincerely for being a happy camper
I sometimes get my arse pinched should I approach the offending individuals and demand they respect my sexuality
I’ll make sure I don’t pass a group of men sitting around bored out of their tree in case they hatred me
All women I know (including myself) have had many experiences of unwanted male attention, from cat-calling to groping and often more. I’ve seen men experience the opposite too. I am quite disheartened by how many people seem to think that the lady in the video was just experiencing benign and well-meaning compliments. Many seem to think that it’s an overreaction to label this sort of behaviour harrassment.
I know there are degrees of harrassment and shouting “Hey gorgeous” at someone is not as “serious” as groping or attacking them. But these “compliments” are still expressions of an attitude of aggression and entitlement towards women and their bodies, and this is what makes us uncomfortable.
A compliment is when you want to tell somebody something nice about themselves so that they feel good. I don’t this is what most of these comments intend. When someone has come up to me politely, without invading my personal space, and given me a compliment or asked for a phone number (not that this happens regularly) I have felt embarrassed or flattered but never threatened.
But shouted remarks in the street are different – they’re unnerving and make the receiver uncomfortable. It’s subtle, but it’s about power. To communicate with someone face-to-face requires consent, allowing them to be close enough to speak and listen. Shouting after someone is a way to assert your presence, with or without consent, to verbally invade their space. It’s a little tiny slice of aggression. It’s not communicating “I want you to know you’re beautiful” but rather “I want you to know I’m looking at you and judging”. You can’t get away quickly from a shout.
A lot of the time these “compliments” are followed by laughter, while the complimenter enjoys the embarrassment or fear (or anger) they’ve caused. Sometimes failing to respond favourably to a remark results in aggression, and being called a “stuck-up bitch”. These are not compliments. They’re a demonstration of ownership of public spaces, a reminder to the recipients that they’re being observed, and a statement of intent and power.
I wouldn’t bang on about it but I couldn’t believe so many people still don’t seem to understand why this is harrassment. Some examples may seem trivial but it is frightening to be on the receiving end of attention from someone who clearly doesn’t respect your boundaries, as you are powerless to withdraw and you don’t know what the person will do next.
If you want to give someone a compliment, go and tell them politely in a way that you think they’ll appreciate.
this is ridiculous. how far are people going to take the PC line. clearly minorities are the main perpetrators in the video. Culturally they see nothing wrong with saying “hi” etc. women always feel more than happy to make jokes about fellas and say little things (which to be honest i would imagine most lads dont mind) but the double standard is just shocking. just cordon off free speech altogether and then shur no one will comment on anything. Is that the solution like. comical.
But this is in New York!?…Americans are like that….if that was a guy, people still say things to you!..all the time!!..
It’s just Americans being Americans!…
The only way New Yorkers would be that friendly is if they thought they might get a ride.
IF the blacks are reading this is for you from a non white guy. You guys might think that YOU are very open hearted
and start bothering anyone on the road. Get lost , you just show your race in bad light. New york is full you poverty striken, lazy bums.
I worked in construction seversl years ago in New York on the highrise buildings, I remember beinged taken aback at the way some of the construction guys would shout and wolfwhistle at women going by, seems to me these guys social skills were so low that the closest they would come to meeting an attractive women was just ‘holler’ at one.
I’m probably going to get a lot of backlash for this but personally I don’t think “Hey beautiful” is harassment? Following someone and shouting rude things at them is definitely harassment but not something like hey beautiful. People complain when the world is negative and now complain when it is positive. I’m not saying I condemn any type of harassment, I think women (and men) should be respected and following someone for five minutes is certainly not respect it is harassment. However, for a lot of people something simple like “you look nice today” from a stranger can be a massive confidence boost
GTA V on ps4 nov 18
These guys just haven’t discovered tindr yet: problem solved.
Hey , my name is Moe or as the ladies like to call me ‘ hey you behind the bushes ‘ .
So many mood hoovers
This sort of malarkey only happens in the U.S.A! U.S.A!
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